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[shadow_Uzumaki]

 

This^ one chapter that Sakura doesn't show up and some are complaining and quickly jumping to conclusions that she's going to stand in the side lines healing. Honestly give it a break until Kishi resume with the story because I agree there must be a reason why he gave Sakura the seal, it's not over yet. I bet Sakura's time to shine fighting has just begun.

 

 

Lol, not surprise.  It's always been that way, "Where's Sakura? Where's Sakura?"  It's always there for every chapter.

[megi]

Just because Sakura isn't appearing in a few chapters now doesn't mean she has a less important role, I think it is an over reaction ^^ of course she isn't just the healer.

Kushi = Sakura parallel was only a few chapters ago, I think it was a bit too soon for a Rin = Sakura just now.

 

But I'm really interested in why Obito was speaking with Sasuke at the end of the chapter, as in calling him a traitor o_o, saying Sasuke is like himself.

[Dkey]

How exactly do you all see the Rin Sakura parallel happening?

[TouKen4Life3g]

How exactly do you all see the Rin Sakura parallel happening?

I don't know but it will be exciting, thanks to the fact the event has escalated to a higher level to the point it's going to be grand. Seems like NS is about to explode in a great way. Maybe. I don't know but a man can dream.

[T XD]

How exactly do you all see the Rin Sakura parallel happening?

My thought is that it will be from Obito. If she talks to him, if she says something and he hears her, seeing her healing and saying something at the same time, or an interaction with Naruto either healing him or saying something to him or both.

 

It's more like Obito needs to see and/or hear from the other Obito and Rin.





 

[TouKen4Life3g]

The funny part is that Sakura has demonstrated her power as medic and all when Obito was away. Now if she does again, she will stick out like a sore thumb.

[T XD]

The funny part is that Sakura has demonstrated her power as medic and all when Obito was away. Now if she does again, she will stick out like a sore thumb.

Yup cause him seeing Sakura healing can trigger the thought of Rin from Sakura. Well, it seems that it's not now for this parallel to happen.

 

I think it will happen when Obito is beginning to lose.

Edited by T XD, 04 July 2013 - 10:10 AM.

[TouKen4Life3g]

Yup cause him seeing Sakura healing can trigger the thought of Rin from Sakura. Well, it seems that it's not now for this parallel to happen.
 
I think it will happen when Obito is beginning to lose.

That or beginning where the climax begins.

[Atheck]

Wheres the proof that shes going to stay back as healer.

 
A noteworthy emphasis on her medical function, particularly whilst she is in her "current state". Naruto and Sasuke stated their intentions to continue fighting but it's not the situation for Sakura. This is an obvious reference to her seal. If Tsunade's ability to remote heal is any indication, Sakura will only be capable of long range restoration so long as she has chakra remaining in the seal. Why would she consume the remaining quantities that she left just so she could fight the replicas? Despite our yearnings to see a more combat oriented role her main job will always be healing the injuries of teammates. Sakura is the only medic who can reach the shinobi due to her remote healing jutsu and they are being constantly injured by the ever strengthening Jubi replicas. But I have reiterated this numerous times to the other poster.
 

If theres a reason for kishi to give her the seal then it was for her to able to fight,

She's currently exploiting its benefits for restorative purposes just like Tsunade during the Invasion of Pain arc. Sakura fought for a single chapter and now with the Alliance on the brink of total annihilation she apparently needs to be ready for mass healing. 
 
I can foresee Tobi creating a shockwave similar to the one the Jubi made 9 chapters ago and Sakura, in her efforts to protect everyone, using the remainder of her seal's chakra to protect everyone from the impact. It is after all her duty to protect and/or heal others.  
 

Just now because shes not fighting those 2 (actually 1 chapter where she could)

 
No, it was two chapters because that is the amount content that she has not made any appearances in.  Sasuke wasn't visibly seen in chapter 636, but Naruto was and Sakura has been missing for two. If we refer to the amount of narrative progress that has been made since she last fought the total would equal 5 chapters for her. 
 

doensnt mean that shes not going to in future chapters. Especially now after Obito turned into the main villain and they are going to need every strong fighter to attack.

 
No, with Tobi being in possession of the most powerful entity of nature and factoring in its aptitude for creating titanic shockwaves with its chakra alone Sakura will feel compelled to protect everyone a la Tsunade with Katsuyu during the Invasion of Pain arc. She is the only medical operative capable of doing so and the only one able that can heal in any efficient capacity inside of the barrier.
 

 
If Sakura was going to do anything else it would have occurred after Naruto and Sasuke had failed in their objective of defeating the Jubi and when the they were being surrounded by the replicas. At the moment she is either having to continually restore the injuries that any shinobi sustains or she's still perched atop Katsuyu staring blankly into the carnage. 
 
The only reasonable methods that could allow her to bypass this restriction would be if another equally competent medic appeared to take her place or if Naruto can once again distribute his chakra to everyone. The former would be questionable since Sakura's replacement is a shinobi who would be the more logical choice to have as a combatant. As for the latter, well Naruto is still unable to provide the shrouds nor would he be capable of reaching everyone with the replicas and a newly Juubi empowered Tobi roaming about. 
 

Complaining about her absence for till now one chapter is far to early.[ Somehow reminds me about the complaining of sasuke becoming bad, some chapters later.... well

 
The difference is that proponents of the theory that Sakura will remain unseen or non combative have legitimacy with the arguments they make when taking into consideration the circumstances of the situation that Sakura and the others are in.
 

I don't have a proof. I told you that I'm just thinking and saying what logically could she do afterwards from what the story is showing us.

There is no logic to that suggestion though. The expectation is for Sakura to return to fighting, essentially endangering the most valuable restorative asset that the Alliance has, whilst inadvertently condemning the multitudes of shinobi who become injured to death or the inability to protect themselves because of the nature of their wounds.

She's the only one who can heal at the moment. The most effective contribution she can make is to remain able for healing when the request inevitably arises. I despise her passivity. Mass restoration in the background isn't how I would define a heroine but Kishi may be accounting for the practicality of her decision to heal rather than fight.
 

Plus, to prove that Sakura won't have any further role in this conflict ? Do you think that she'll just sit back all the time watching the show?

For however long her medical expertise will be required in this battle that has been raging for countless hours where thousands have been constantly damaged throughout.
 

Last time the ability she used from her seal is healing the alliance,

Until she displays any non-supportive talents that the seal offers then healing is its only ability.
 

and she's the only one inside the barrier that could heal quickly the whole alliance... So that means that she'll be all the time sitting and watching ?

A medic does not endanger themselves by jumping headfirst into conflict. They remain to the side where other shinobi can protect the one asset that can lengthen their survability rate. Yes, she will probably act a healer for the remainder of the fight unless Tsunade assumes her role, Naruto distributes his chakra to everyone once again, Katsuyu decides to heal by herself, or if everyone else is killed which would invalidate her need to remain out of the fighting.
 

I'm saying how that can't happen for Sakura.

I'm also disputing that she can't forsake her medical duties just to appease some fanbase's inkling for her to battle. It's difficult to admit to but I think choosing to stay back and heal is the best decision she made. Remember that the Alliance is doing in its power to win this fight. Having a medic who can constantly revive others and put them back into the fray is supplementary to that objective.
 

I'm seeing what she could possibly do in the future. I can't tell you specifically. I'm saying how the events will eventually make her move.

You haven't offered any rational explanations to reinforce this cryptic affirmation of yours that Sakura will eventually come back to Naruto and Sasuke's side. On the other hand, I do believe that I've firmly corroborated my argument; numerous times now to two different people.
 

The information that you want to know about her techniques, you may know them in the upcoming chapters.

The confidence in a possibility that she will reveal additional skills has been tarnished. At the moment, I don't expect much of anything from her except additional healing. Whatever you or the user may believe is assumption until Kishi provides verification.
 

You have a point that she have to do more seeing that before she arrived to the battlefield, she was absent many times. But, there's things now other than Sakura.

Generally speaking, whenever there are other characters or situations unrelated to the few plotlines that Sakura retains she tends to fade into obscurity. We witnessed this in the Search for Tsunade arc in P1 and later during P2 she was completely absent for a third of the manga. My apologies if the notion of Kishi consistently casting her aside once again, after doing so just less than twenty chapters ago, offends you.
 

How you're saying it is like Sakura have to be the center of everything in every event.

No, she wasn't the centre of attention even during the Sasori fight; what is oftentimes considered to be the pinnacle of her development. It was shared amongst Sakura and a new addition to the cast.

Please, don't misinterpret my intentions. Sakura does not and should not receive every single iota of panel time but suggesting that she have an equal amount like her male counterparts whilst not having the semblances of a side-character for 3 major arcs, I believe that's not unreasonable.
 

Wanting Sakura here and there won't happen. Even the hero of the story isn't in every single action that has each character going through.

Here the difference is that Sakura is not "here and there". She hasn't been of any significant importance or focus for three whole arcs since P2 began. And for the majority of the war she was as pronounced and impactful as Hinata or Neji. Team 10 achieved more at this time and now with this moment being the first time in hundreds of chapters being discarded after a few chapters, you expect any dissidents of this retraction to complacently sit back and accept that she "might" show up again? For what, exactly? More parallels? Romance? This character hasn't had the bearings of a protagonist for much of the main story. And no, I don't address romance subplots or the frequency of her reaction panels as indicators of a heroine.
 

Cause what Sakura should have to do with Obito in this moment?

What does Gamakichi have to do with Tobi? Why were three fodder shinobi provided with a panel so they could state the obvious? You mean to tell me that Sakura's concern for Naruto and Sasuke as they stage an assault Tobi doesn't warrant a panel but fodder making trivial comments does?
 

Naruto and Sasuke just got to go to Obito, and just Sasuke landed in front of him so that he'll hear what Obito say to him and whatever concerning Obito that will lead to another thing.

Sasuke's intention was to kill Tobi so Madara's resurrection could be prevented. The statement Tobi made was a product of coincidence since he was already incapacitated by the time Sasuke was standing before him.
 

Her priority in a fight is being a medic, but when she wants to fights, she does engage like we witnessed few chapters back.

How does this negate the fact that her medical duties take precedence over fighting? Sakura has assumed the role of the group's medic. They're dependent on her for their survival. Unless Sakura chooses to uncharacteristically leave these people for death when they become injured then she'll continue to focus on healing.
 

Sakura have to show up in every single chapter? Even if she's the heroine, she doesn't have to. It's been just three chapters and possibly another two or so, so it doesn't mean that it's something not right for her.

I have addressed this various times already. Here is the most recent reiteration from a few reponces above.

"Here the difference is that Sakura is not "here and there". She hasn't been of any significant importance or focus for three whole arcs since P2 began. And for the majority of the war she was as pronounced and impactful as Hinata or Neji. Team 10 achieved more at this time and now with this moment being the first time in hundreds of chapters being discarded after a few chapters, you expect any dissidents of this retraction to complacently sit back and accept that she "might" show up again? For what, exactly? More parallels? Romance? This character hasn't had the bearings of a protagonist for much of the main story. And no, I don't address romance subplots or the frequency of her reaction panels as indicators of a heroine."
 

Kakashi before 636 hasn't been shown for a few chapters back cause it's not set for him to be shown, not to mention that he's not shown in 637 either... It doesn't mean that it's not right for him.

Kakashi had ample reason to appear in chapter 637 but did not. Despite his frequent disappearances from the spotlight his role as Naruto's teacher and as a protagonist has always remained in tact. He displays heroic qualities in a qualitative manner that is able to offset any damages that his absence from one arc may have. Sakura has done nothing but carry out supplemental roles which the innominate healing fodder can carry out. Beyond her status as Tsunade's apprentice, a fact which is scarcely brought forth, and Naruto's love interest, there is nothing that distinguishes her from the generic stick figures littering the battlefield.

You can't honestly say that Kishi has performed adequately with depicting Sakura as a consistent heroine of this story. As I said before, heroism is subjective in context, but what Sakura is doing at the moment has undeniably less impact than the many accomplishments that Naruto, Sasuke, and Kakashi have under their belts. Her participation as the protagonist has been lacklustre and even Kishi's previous statements have attested to this negligence.

So once again, I'm sorry that I would like to see more from the character who is flaunted as being a heroine of equal status to her male colleagues (which chapter 632 was attempting to emphasize).

You want people to believe that she is just as capable or as hero-like as Naruto or Sasuke? Have her do more. Kurama put it best, "prove what you can do with your actions". If you define heroism as obscurely hiding behind others so they heal the insignificant then good for you, but I don't think there is anything wrong with expecting more from this supposed heroine.

[Atheck]

For a single chapter each week and for a limited number of pages, well, yeah it will take for her to show up now like 3 to 5 chapters if for reactions, thoughts or any other thing like the other main characters as well when they don't have to do any showing up. Naruto, the protagonist of the story will be shown, but the other two can not be shown either.

Don't try to compare Sakura with Naruto, Sasuke, or Kakashi. The amount of panel time, the neglectful periods for their characters, and Kishi's attempt to indemnify the flaws in his writing concerning them are on entirely different scales in regards to both quality and quantity.

When Sasuke was gone from the Search for Tsunade arc, he received an entire arc dedicated to his subplot which culminated in what oftentimes is considered to be one of the greatest battles in the series. In the Itachi Pursuit Arc as Naruto's significance was minimal the following arc was centred around several very important and personalized themes for Naruto. For Kakashi he was absent in the Sasuke and Sai arc but that debt was later repaid with his crucial involvement in the fight against Hidan and Kakuzu. Now he's part of a complex moral and physical entanglement with the man who is the cause for all of the conflict occurring now. This is Kakashi's personal conflict.

What has Sakura achieved that could amount to everything referenced above? Her only defining moments, outside of romance, were in the Kazekage Rescue and the Chunin Exams arcs. Kishimoto made an attempt to compensate for shirking her in the Hidan/Kakuzu, Itachi Pursuit, and Invasion of Pain arcs in the Kage Summit arc but that was of questionable value since she failed to contribute anything beyond her relationship with Naruto and by extension, Sasuke. Yet again, she was almost completely absent in the most recent arc but Kishi made another effort in atonement with several of the recent chapters. It was impressive when it lasted but the effects are comparatively minor to what the man has done for the male characters on Team 7.
 

True. They prove their worth through actions. Kishi chose to hold her back for now, so showing her reacting or anything won't be out of ordinary as we have to know what she thinks and/or saying till she make her next move.

She doesn't even provide that though. The reactions of three fodder were apparently of greater importance in this arc than the heroine's shock to seeing events develop like they have. Where is Sakura's personal conflict? Who exactly is her villain? Her own ambivalence for finally coming to see Naruto as the man for her? Why should that make anyone perceive her as a heroine? It just depicts her as an uncertain, "realistic" girl afflicted by her own inner turmoil. 

Again I think this incompetence on Kishi's part is related to his misconceptions about women.
 

And, yeah, her big accomplishments are few. What's set for her is set.

 
And what could be looked at as insufficient objectification of her role as heroine has been set as well. The plausibility of that being changed is practically gone and Sakura will forever remain in the shadow of her male counterparts. At least that's what I'm gathering when applying that logic to the situation.
 

The other role is when she's going to have another big moments with the event and possibly interacting with Obito. What may come to her next move.

That's if she does have any additional significance in this battle. I've already made arguments for Sakura's continued passivity in the fight so many times now that I will not repeat myself again.
 

Sakura can engage in battle anytime she wants.

She can but she'll be sacrificing the lives of people who could have been saved if their medic hasn't rushed off into battle. Well, that may be counteracted by Katsuyu taking matters into her own tentacles and healing the shinobi without the need to distract Sakura from fighting.
 

Tsunade arriving will have to do her work with the other Kages. It doesn't expel Sakura at all.

You understand that one of them will need to remain back so they can heal the Alliance shinobi, correct? If there are no alternatives like Katsuyu or Naruto's bijuu chakra shroud offered then they'll be duty-bound to act as the white mage. Unless they don't mind having a pile of corpses on their conscience.
 
That assertion of yours of them both being able to fight is technically correct. However, the repercussions to both medics venturing out to fight, abandoning their medical duties in the process, would be catastrophic for everyone else. 
 

Sakura have the skills and can fight.

 
She was preoccupied with stroking her ego by explaining to Hashirama the particulars behind her strength 5 chapters ago. That tells me that Sakura still has a ways to go before she can truly be considered Tsunade's equal. Tsunade has several advantages that make her the more effective fighter to have. For one, she has proven that she can implement her strength in a myriad of different ways besides the predictable "punch really hard" strategy that Sakura has. In her fight against Kabuto, a person touted as being the equal to Kakashi, she displayed impressive evasive skills and a technique exclusive to her that disarranges the electrical impulses in her opponent's body. This was when she had not fought for decades and was rusty. Secondly, her tolerance for pain and regenerative abilities are verifiably strong. Factor in her own naturally enormous chakra reserves, her naturally monstrous strength, and the greater amount of experience with fighting that she has and it becomes only fitting that she would fight instead of Sakura. 
 

The alliance are healed, she can engage when she wants to.

 
The alliance is currently engaged with an opponent that is imperishably returning with greater strength and size. They're going to continue receiving injuries and with Sakura sitting back she has apparently  chosen to heal rather than fight.  
 

Plus, Tsunade being an obstacle for Sakura can't happen. It will show that Tsunade is going against her words that she taught her this technique so she can use it in battle, and for her to be able to fight more offensively.

This might just be grasping at straws but Tsunade's rules of conduct for medical ninja denote that only  those who have mastered the Byakugou jutsu are allowed to fight. This has to do with the self-regenerative abilities that the jutsu has which is able to maintain the life of user; a vital component of being a medical ninja. What Sakura has is the Byakugou seal, a concentration of chakra in her forehead that allows her to use remotely heal others and summon enormous creatures. Already she broke the medical tenets but fighting without the confirmed aptitude for self-healing only serves as a detriment to the people who would benefit from her continued role as a healer.
 
How would Tsunade be an obstacle to Sakura? She's the superior in every aspect excluding strength and arguably chakra control. Not only that, she still has several interactions of her own to make with her grandfather, granduncle, and teacher who she hasn't seen at all for decades. Furthermore, Tsuande promised that she and the other Kages would defeat Madara. That's a promise which I'm thinking Kishi will them keep. She has a considerable amount of reasoning to join in on the fighting. 
 

This^ one chapter that Sakura doesn't show up and some are complaining and quickly jumping to conclusions that she's going to stand in the side lines healing.

Sakura's words in chapter 636 confirmed that she was intending to heal anyone if necessary. Her return to the boundaries of the enclosed boundaries, far away from where the fighting is taking place, and continued inactivity despite being perfectly capable of returning to the front suggest that she is going to maintain a healing function primarily. And it's not an issue of what the manga is focused on currently. She had two chapters worth to return to fighting next to Naruto and Sasuke but she didn't. Instead Sakura is being prompted by others to express how she feels about Sasuke's return to the battlefield.

In a sense, you're right about Sakura not standing to the side lines. Her feelings were being brought to the forefront just two chapters chapters ago. Mind you, it's not the sort of physical involvement that some of us had in mind, but she is technically taking a psychological role with the current situation.
 

Honestly give it a break until Kishi resume with the story

The story is being resumed. It's only focusing on a select few characters, three random fodder ninja included, but things are progressing.
 

because I agree there must be a reason why he gave Sakura the seal,

There was a reason. To offer a momentary glance at the effects it has on her strength and her ability to heal the injuries of other people. With her fighting and healing feats completed Kishi is providing the only role he can apparently assign to her which is mediator between Naruto and Sasuke because Sakura can be looked at as the "heart" or element of humanity within the team.
 

it's not over yet. I bet Sakura's time to shine fighting has just begun.

I thought it was the 7 Swordsmen's time to shine when Kakashi said that he was about to go on a rampage but then it was off-screened.

The point is that we shouldn't discount the possibility of disappointment from Kishi because he has made mistakes in the past with his manga.
 

Just because Sakura isn't appearing in a few chapters now doesn't mean she has a less important role, I think it is an over reaction ^^ of course she isn't just the healer.

Really? Is that the reason for her objection to continue fighting after supposedly healing everyone in the Alliance? Or is she being purposefully held in place because of plot induced stupidity? Though she does have the skills to fight Sakura's job is to first heal any wounded soldiers. That is how she was taught by Tsunade.

Look, there may in fact be another role for her but I wouldn't hold hold my breath on it. Not with how Kishi treats his female characters, particularly Sakura.

 

Edit: There weren't enough quote boxes which is the reason why I had to divide the post into two parts. Apologies for the inconvenience (if it is one). 

Edited by Atheck, 04 July 2013 - 11:38 AM.

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A noteworthy emphasis on her medical function, particularly whilst she is in her "current state". Naruto and Sasuke stated their intentions to continue fighting but it's not the situation for Sakura. This is an obvious reference to her seal. If Tsunade's ability to remote heal is any indication, Sakura will only be capable of long range restoration so long as she has chakra remaining in the seal. Why would she consume the remaining quantities that she left just so she could fight the replicas? Despite our yearnings to see a more combat oriented role her main job will always be healing the injuries of teammates. Sakura is the only medic who can reach the shinobi due to her remote healing jutsu and they are being constantly injured by the ever strengthening Jubi replicas. But I have reiterated this numerous times to the other poster.

The scene you posted was before naruto and sasuke "finished up" the juubi. Nothing there says anything about the stuff that happens afterwards, hence obito becoming the vessel of the ten tail. Its simply not stated there that they are going to keep that tactic after a change of enemys.
 

She's currently exploiting its benefits for restorative purposes just like Tsunade during the Invasion of Pain arc. Sakura fought for a single chapter and now with the Alliance on the brink of total annihilation she apparently needs to be ready for mass healing. 
 
I can foresee Tobi creating a shockwave similar to the one the Jubi made 9 chapters ago and Sakura, in her efforts to protect everyone, using the remainder of her seal's chakra to protect everyone from the impact. It is after all her duty to protect and/or heal others.

Tsunade is also coming to the battlefield right now, maybe she will do the healing who knows? It is also possible that obito wont be able to do that kind of giant attacks, but will be extremly strong at single target attacks. Who knows? 
Maybe everyone is going to attack and no one is healing. I mean as long as there are no injured persons there is no healing required. This battle will most likely only focus on the main ninjas not the fodder ones so its possible that there wont anyone injured every second.
 

No, it was two chapters because that is the amount content that she has not made any appearances in.  Sasuke wasn't visibly seen in chapter 636, but Naruto was and Sakura has been missing for two. If we refer to the amount of narrative progress that has been made since she last fought the total would equal 5 chapters for her.

Why show her in chapter 636 if it would be total useless there. The last time kishi showed her it was during her not trusting sasuke and he wants the readers to keep that picture until something more happens to the situation. If it really happens that shes going to be unseen the next view chapters , then it will be, becuase kishi wants to keep that picture of her thinking bad about sasuke till it theres more to that matter. So if hes going that way it would most likely mean that we see her again as soon as sasuke shows something more about his true intentions. 
 

No, with Tobi being in possession of the most powerful entity of nature and factoring in its aptitude for creating titanic shockwaves with its chakra alone Sakura will feel compelled to protect everyone a la Tsunade with Katsuyu during the Invasion of Pain arc. She is the only medical operative capable of doing so and the only one able that can heal in any efficient capacity inside of the barrier.
 

 
If Sakura was going to do anything else it would have occurred after Naruto and Sasuke had failed in their objective of defeating the Jubi and when the they were being surrounded by the replicas. At the moment she is either having to continually restore the injuries that any shinobi sustains or she's still perched atop Katsuyu staring blankly into the carnage.

Goes back to what i said above. 
 

The difference is that proponents of the theory that Sakura will remain unseen or non combative have legitimacy with the arguments they make when taking into consideration the circumstances of the situation that Sakura and the others are in.

As said nearly all of the characters arguments are based on the "juubi fighting" moment that is already finished so nothing says that this will be the same way with fighting obito. Its still way to early to start complaining until you find out whats going to happen in future chapters.

I mean Iam personally also ok with sakura only healing. Its also important and ok for a main character so i see no problem at all in general.
 

[Cherry-Bloss93]

My thought is that it will be from Obito. If she talks to him, if she says something and he hears her, seeing her healing and saying something at the same time, or an interaction with Naruto either healing him or saying something to him or both.
 
It's more like Obito needs to see and/or hear from the other Obito and Rin.

What if he overheard Sakura say to Naruto "It's not good to hide your wounds. Remember, I'm watching out for you," or something similar to what Rin told Obito that one time?

[T XD]

What if he overheard Sakura say to Naruto "It's not good to hide your wounds. Remember, I'm watching out for you," or something similar to what Rin told Obito that one time?

It can trigger him to make him see Rin like Sakura, and the parallel is done. If it's shown that he hears her saying that to Naruto then the only cause for that would be to do the parallel.

Edited by T XD, 04 July 2013 - 12:55 PM.

[arian_rad]

It can trigger him to make him see Rin like Sakura, and the parallel is done. If it's shown that he hears her saying that to Naruto then the only cause for that would be to do the parallel.

However I think the quote will be similar but not the exact same. When Naruto gets injured in battle with obito, Sakura could simply immediately start healing him and say "I'm watching over you" that would trigger it from obito on it's own.

[Atheck]

The scene you posted was before naruto and sasuke "finished up" the juubi. Nothing there says anything about the stuff that happens afterwards, hence obito becoming the vessel of the ten tail. Its simply not stated there that they are going to keep that tactic after a change of enemys.

 
Reread the dialogue that Sakura provides.

"I'm all ready for healing if anyone gets severe wounds."

She was referring to everyone as her following actions can substantiate. Immediately following Katsuyu's summon she has the slug divide itself so it can restore everyone's wounds. If this was a reference intended exclusively for Naruto and Sasuke then it would have been prudent for her to either remain by their side or give them both a slug portion with which she can heal them. Does this occur though? No.

Also take note that the wording doesn't intimate any conclusion for her actions like Naruto and Sasuke's intentions. Both of their objectives were the incapacitation of the Jubi. It was clearly defined both in their words and actions. Sakura only stated that she would be available to heal anyone. Heal who? For what period of time? If it was to heal the alliance just once then why not reenter the fight instead of uselessly standing atop your slug summon in the back? 
 

 

Tsunade is also coming to the battlefield right now, maybe she will do the healing who knows?

 

 

How many times do I have to prove that Tsunade is the more capable shinobi and should be the one to fight instead of Sakura? If Sakura's chakra control is truly superior to Tsunade's then would that aptitude not be better implemented by healing the shinobi who are critically injured with less chakra being wasted? 

 

It's not just combat effectiveness that strengthens the argument of Tsunade being the one to go and fight. She also has her promise to Naruto, the dissension with Madara's philosphy, and her close relatives to meet after years of not being able to see them that gives her reason to fight. 

 

 

It is also possible that obito wont be able to do that kind of giant attacks, but will be extremly strong at single target attacks. Who knows?

 

 

That contradicts the feats of all the other jinchuuriki but I suppose it's technically true. Not that this refutes the argument that Sakura is choosing to remain back to act a medic. 

 

Maybe everyone is going to attack and no one is healing.

 

 

Now this is unfounded. If everyone was literally going to abandon their posts in order to carry out a mindless frontal assault against the most powerful beings in existence then the barrier would have already been removed so the flood of shinobi, Killer Bee and Gyuki included, would rush in to attack. 

 

I mean as long as there are no injured persons there is no healing required.

 

 

How many times must I reiterate that the shinobi are fighting against an enemy that only returns larger and more powerful? Even Hashirama's clones are having a difficult time against them and they're far superior to the average grunt taking on these behemoths. If they are able to complicate the assault against the original Jubi for Naruto and Sasuke then logically it would be catastrophic for those of a tremendously smaller stature.

 

Continued sustainment of injuries are inevitable in this situation and even if what you were arguing was true, Sakura would be needlessly imperiling herself, the Alliance's only medical asset inside the barrier, just to stage an attack even though there are other shinobi of superior ability who are already attacking.

 

This battle will most likely only focus on the main ninjas not the fodder ones so its possible that there wont anyone injured every second.

 

Of course, the indicative stick figures of fallen shinobi will only blanket the area because Kishi's editors are attuned to the environment in panels. That scenario is unrealistic. If Naruto and Sasuke who have the assistance of humongous summonings are unable to defeat the Juubi replicas then what makes you believe that fodder with only a fraction of their strength and size will do any better?

 

Sakura has already taken herself out of the fight and there are no indications of her returning any time soon. 

 

Why show her in chapter 636 if it would be total useless there.

 

Why show Gamakichi or generic fodder shinobi taking notice of Tobi's return? Sakura's reaction would be more compelling than the latter's. 

 

The last time kishi showed her it was during her not trusting sasuke and he wants the readers to keep that picture until something more happens to the situation. If it really happens that shes going to be unseen the next view chapters , then it will be, becuase kishi wants to keep that picture of her thinking bad about sasuke till it theres more to that matter.

 

This only proves that Sakura's character is defined by only a select personality traits. Her involvement in the romance subplot, the concern she holds for Team 7's stability, and her apprenticeship under Tsunade's tutelage. All of those concepts were addressed in the last few chapters. Can Sakura not  create any additional roles for herself in the other plot points? Sasuke did so with the issue of bringing about world peace and Naruto found a place for himself in the Uchiha's "destiny of hatred" as the being who will pacify the anger and violence inside the heart of its ultimate incarnation since Madara.

 

Again I refer to the questionability of Sakura's status as a heroine unless Kishi is trying to depict her as an unorthodox heroine who is more concerned with relationships and supplemental roles than acting with the conventional qualities that define a hero. 

 

So if hes going that way it would most likely mean that we see her again as soon as sasuke shows something more about his true intentions.

 

Why must Sakura's actions be related to Sasuke? Why can she not fight for herself, her allies, or because she wishes to support Naruto's ideals that man standing atop the Jubi represents the antithesis of? If she's motivated solely by her emotional involvement with Sasuke strongly then that strongly correlates then what progress has she made with her character? But that's not what Sakura is like. She has expressed that she is capable of fighting for other justifications besides Sasuke or Team 7. 

 

Is it too difficult for Kishi to depict Sakura in that light?

 

Goes back to what i said above.

 

I would say the same thing to you. 

 

As said nearly all of the characters arguments are based on the "juubi fighting" moment that is already finished so nothing says that this will be the same way with fighting obito.

 

Naruto, Minato, and Sasuke are the ones intent on fighting Tobi it seems. It's unclear what will become of the replicas or shinobi but at the moment it can be assumed that they're still fighting. And if the exclusivity of Madara's fight against Hashirama's clones is anything to look upon as evidence then the battle against Tobi will be confined to just the above three characters who are most relevant in his personal conflict. 

 

Even if everyone redirected their sights to fighting Tobi there would still be people suffering injuries and the need for medical personnel would remain unless they want to die. And there will be deaths since Tobi has just acquired the power that their universe's equivalent to god once possessed. 

 

Is still way to early to start complaining until you find out whats going to happen in future chapters.

 

There is much to have grievances about. The least of which is Sakura's diminished capacity in the story comparative to her teammates. 

 

I mean Iam personally also ok with sakura only healing. Its also important and ok for a main character so i see no problem at all in general.

 

Well, I'm not and if Sakura is still perceived as a character of equal status as her two teammates then my only responce to that is that their viewpoint is very outlandish. 

Edited by Atheck, 04 July 2013 - 01:45 PM.

[PhenixElite]

 

Reread the dialogue that Sakura provides.

"I'm all ready for healing if anyone gets severe wounds."

She was referring to everyone as her following actions can substantiate. Immediately following Katsuyu's summon she has the slug divide itself so it can restore everyone's wounds. If this was a reference intended exclusively for Naruto and Sasuke then it would have been prudent for her to either remain by their side or give them both a slug portion with which she can heal them. Does this occur though? No.

Also take note that the wording doesn't intimate any conclusion for her actions like Naruto and Sasuke's intentions. Both of their objectives were the incapacitation of the Jubi. It was clearly defined both in their words and actions. Sakura only stated that she would be available to heal anyone. Heal who? For what period of time? If it was to heal the alliance just once then why not reenter the fight instead of uselessly standing atop your slug summon in the back?

Yeah, sakura said she was going to heal everyone and that is what she did end of the story. The whole alliance got healed by those slugs. As said its nowhere stated that she will contionue to to that now that the main villain is obito. She never said that she will be healing everyone till the end of the fight. It maybe was a one time thing just for the juubi fight there. 
 
 

How many times do I have to prove that Tsunade is the more capable shinobi and should be the one to fight instead of Sakura? If Sakura's chakra control is truly superior to Tsunade's then would that aptitude not be better implemented by healing the shinobi who are critically injured with less chakra being wasted? 
 
It's not just combat effectiveness that strengthens the argument of Tsunade being the one to go and fight. She also has her promise to Naruto, the dissension with Madara's philosphy, and her close relatives to meet after years of not being able to see them that gives her reason to fight.

Yeah, that goes back to surpassing the old generation, its with no doubt possible that sakura is already stronger in fighting than tsunade.
 
 
 

Now this is unfounded. If everyone was literally going to abandon their posts in order to carry out a mindless frontal assault against the most powerful beings in existence then the barrier would have already been removed so the flood of shinobi, Killer Bee and Gyuki included, would rush in to attack.

But the juubi isnt there anymore, hes inside obito so why need a barrier? There is no giant bijuu anymore it should be no problem fr everyone to attack.

 

How many times must I reiterate that the shinobi are fighting against an enemy that only returns larger and more powerful? Even Hashirama's clones are having a difficult time against them and they're far superior to the average grunt taking on these behemoths. If they are able to complicate the assault against the original Jubi for Naruto and Sasuke then logically it would be catastrophic for those of a tremendously smaller stature.
 
Continued sustainment of injuries are inevitable in this situation and even if what you were arguing was true, Sakura would be needlessly imperiling herself, the Alliance's only medical asset inside the barrier, just to stage an attack even though there are other shinobi of superior ability who are already attacking.
 
 
Of course, the indicative stick figures of fallen shinobi will only blanket the area because Kishi's editors are attuned to the environment in panels. That scenario is unrealistic. If Naruto and Sasuke who have the assistance of humongous summonings are unable to defeat the Juubi replicas then what makes you believe that fodder with only a fraction of their strength and size will do any better?

Sakura isnt the only medic ninja. As said tsunade is also going to return as well as karin. It should also be possible for sakura to fight while the slugs heal wounded ninjas by theirselfes.

Sakura has already taken herself out of the fight and there are no indications of her returning any time soon.

There are also no real indications that shes not going to return anytime soon.
 

Why show Gamakichi or generic fodder nina taking notice of Tobi's return? Sakura's reaction would be more than compelling than the latter's.

As said one possiblity is that kishi wants the readers to keep the picture of her thinkin negativ about sasuke. 
 

This only proves that Sakura's character is defined by only a select personality traits. Her involvement in the romance subplot, the concern she holds for Team 7's stability, and her apprenticeship under Tsunade's tutelage. All of those concepts were addressed in the last few chapters. Can Sakura not  create any additional roles for herself in the other plot points? Sasuke did so with the issue of bringing about world peace and Naruto found a place for himself in the Uchiha's "destiny of hatred" as the being who will pacify the anger and violence inside the heart of its ultimate incarnation since Madara.
 
Again I refer to the questionability of Sakura's status as a heroine unless Kishi is trying to depict her as an unorthodox heroine who is more concerned with relationships and supplemental roles than acting with the conventional qualities that define a hero.

Well kishi just portraied sakuras character based on romance and supporting naruto, but that has nothing to do with her beeing the heroine. A heroine does not need to take a huge roll like in case sasuek and naruto. Its totally ok for her to be shown as the supportive character most of the time.

Why must Sakura's actions be related to Sasuke? Why can she not fight for herself, her allies, or because she wishes to support Naruto's ideals that man standing atop the Jubi represents the antithesis of? If she's motivated solely by her emotional involvement with Sasuke strongly then that strongly correlates then what progress has she made with her character?But that's not what Sakura is like. She has expressed that she is capable of fighting for other justifications besides Sasuke or Team 7. 
 
Is it too difficult for Kishi to depict Sakura in that light?

Because thats maybe not the way kishi wants to show her. Sasuke is one of her biggest charcter issue that needs to be fixed and that is the reason why a lot of her actions are related to sasuke. I mean look back at past chapters, there was nearly always something about sasuke (confession, sasuke rescue, after village destruction, itachi search arc)  

Even if everyone redirected their sights to fighting Tobi there would still be people suffering injuries and the need for medical personnel would remain unless they want to die. And there will be deaths since Tobi has just acquired the power that their universe's equivalent to god once possessed.

Not everyone can be saved, people will die if they fight
 

There is much to have grievances about. The least of which is Sakura's diminished capacity in the story comparative to her teammates.

Some chapters ago sakura said she was equal to her teammates. Only because shes medic doesnt mean that she not that important. Whats so speicial in seeing her fight? 

PS: why always those incredible long textes and text splits? It takes way too much time to respond.

[ramenanmitsu]

@Atheck Your posts remind me of a very loooooooooong post I made a while ago, explaining how disappointed I am regarding Kishi's handling of Sakura  I feel you buddy.

 

It's one of the many reasons I hate parallels. I want Kishi to give actual developments instead of using parallels to show indirectly how much the characters have grown and how much the characters are important in the story. 

 

Another thing I hate is the Edo Tensei. The dead are dead.

Bringing back strong dead people to fight against protagonists. I understand. 

Bringing back strong dead people to fight against villains. I don't understand. Why let the dead do the fighting, when there are characters in the current generation that needs development? Why let Itachi fight against Kabuto? Or let the dead Kages fight against Madara? 

Making the dead do the fighting contradicts with the younger generation surpassing the old. If the younger generation is supposed to surpass the old generation, they should do the fighting and take care of their problems.

Edited by ramenanmitsu, 04 July 2013 - 02:31 PM.

[Shadow Wolf]

OK, so I don't know if this will come out right, so I apologize in advance for what I'm about to say.

 

Anyway, after reading a few pages on the chapter, I'm feeling a bit.... irked with some of the comments I'm reading. So... instead of going on and pretty much criticize people (which I believe it would be considered bashing in an instant), I'm going to take a more suitable approach and ask a few questions:

 

1-How much time do you think has been between chapter 635 and chapter 637? At most, I believe that it has been 10 minutes. And now I see people complaining for Sakura being absent for 10 minutes when at some points, characters have been missing for years. So... may I have some enlightening? What's the reason behind this?

 

2-Now, before the status of a heroine is addressed, I do want to ask this one thing? Has Kishi been good at giving a prominent role to females? Because if I have read the manga well, even if Kishi sucks at handling females, I'd say that Sakura has been the female character with the most screen time in all the manga (I think that the only character who might have a more or less similar screen time would be Tsunade). So even if I can't say that Kishi has portrayed our Sakura "ideally", I'd say that he has made a good damn effort to make a heroine out of a character who wasn't supposed to be one initially. To try something that you're not good at makes me realize that he's really putting effort into this manga.

 

3-Here's another thing bothering me: People are comparing Sakura (a female character) to Naruto and Sasuke (males characters). And before anyone jumps in and say that this might be sexism or something similar, what I want to address is not this, but rather Kishi's handling with his characters. We know already how he handles male characters and we also know how he handles female characters. Yet people are expecting that Kishi handles Sakura in the same way he handles Naruto and Sasuke. Isn't that a bit too much to ask? Is like if you told me that I should drive an 18-wheeler when I barely got my driver's license and I'm just learning how to handle vans and pick-up trucks. Keep in mind that, before you guys say that this should be easy, it is actually not easy for him. He even said this in his interview, when he explained that he was heavily criticized for this.

 

4-And finally, this manga is far from over. We have already gone through the experience of not seeing Sakura for quite a while. Yet when she reappears, we are happy with it because so far, Kishi has been handling our heroine well (not perfect, but well). So if she's part of team 7, if she's part of Naruto's life, if she promised him that they would fight together (chapter 573), and if we saw her words in chapter 635 (which are a huge hint about her involvement in the Naruto vs Sasuke fight) isn't that pretty much a guarantee that we will be seeing her in future chapters? Keep in mind that this chapter was just the end of the volume, so there are more volumes ahead. The manga is far from over and the chances of Sakura reappearing again are higher than any other female in this whole series.

 

 

So why not trust Kishi a bit more? His handling has not been the ideal one, but I could easily argue that Sakura has been one of the most prominent females in the Naruto series (if not the most prominent one). Heck, even reviewers praised Kishi for doing this. So mind taking it easy for a while. Again, it's only been two chapters (roughly 5-10 minutes at most) and there are new chapters to be seen.

 

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Anyway, staying on topic: This chapter was a bit surprising for me since it had quite the twist at the end. The action was fast-paced and there were some emotive moments (Its funny how Hiruzen, Minato and Kakashi have ahd to go through the same experience: trying to kill their own student, and Minato's expression hit me right in the feels). Things seem to be escalating quickly and with all the events leading into one place, the next volume promises to be interesting.

Edited by Shadow Wolf, 04 July 2013 - 02:36 PM.

[Atheck]

Yeah, sakura said she was going to heal everyone and that is what she did end of the story.

 
It culminates in the end of her involvement in the fighting as well unless there is a statement or action to suggest the contrary in the coming chapters. 
 

The whole alliance got healed by those slugs. As said its nowhere stated that she will contionue to to that now that the main villain is obito.

 
There was no expressed limit to Sakura providing healing services for the shinobi on the battlefield. Her comment was that she was was prepared to restore anyone's wounds if necessary. There isn't any citation for when she would stop using the remote healing jutsu or when she would rejoin her team. If Sakura was only intent on healing the Alliance once then resuming her attacks, why remain passive? Why not charge headfirst into the conflict so she can reduce the numbers of the Alliance's enemies?
 
There is a sufficient amount of evidence to argue that she wants to continue healing or remain in a support role. I can't say the same for the argument that she'll charge directly into Tobi now that he's the Juubi's jinchuuriki. We aren't even aware of the replicas' status. It's possible that they're still lingering about, pushing grunts back as they desperately struggle to hold off their unending assault. 
 

She never said that she will be healing everyone till the end of the fight. It maybe was a one time thing just for the juubi fight there.

 
And my theories are denounced as being impractical or unlikely by some people. I'll restate my above point. 
 
"There was no expressed limit to Sakura providing healing services for the shinobi on the battlefield. Her comment was that she was was prepared to restore anyone's wounds if necessary. There isn't any citation for when she would stop using the remote healing jutsu or when she would rejoin her team."
 

Yeah, that goes back to surpassing the old generation, its with no doubt possible that sakura is already stronger in fighting than tsunade.

 
 It's possible, but until Sakura is pulling out Byakugou jutsu, avoidance feats on par with what she performed during the Sasori fight, Slug Sage Mode, or a combination of all these then she is still inferior to her teacher. 
 

But the juubi isnt there anymore, hes inside obito so why need a barrier? There is no giant bijuu anymore it should be no problem fr everyone to attack.

 
 
Why have every single shinobi endanger themselves like that? If they are wanting to take a strategic manuever then the commanding officers should only send out their combat-oriented soldiers. Medics and other support personnel should remain back so they provide their services to any of the shinobi who are injured or require assistance. 
 
I can't even begin to fully express how impractical and unnecessary that would be. If the barrier is no longer required then the Hokages are available to fight as well now. This includes the "god of shinobi" Hashirama who is capable of holding his own against the Jubi. Sending out every single person right down to the medical staff and lowly Genin would result in them dying either by Tobi, the replicas (provided they're still around), or the collateral damage from the battle raging by those who can actually manage a competent offense.  

 

Sakura isnt the only medic ninja. As said tsunade is also going to return as well as karin.

 
 
We already compared and contrasted Sakura with Tsunade. The teacher is the more capable and logical choice to make if either of them were going to fight.

Karin? She doesn't have remote healing. From what I understand of the healing methods she uses it apparently takes a considerable of time for the recipient of her chakra to be healed and they require direct physical contact with Karin for her to restore their strength. You might as well have Ino go out to heal everyone as her methods require less time and awkward physical intimacy.  
 
 

It should also be possible for sakura to fight while the slugs heal wounded ninjas by theirselfes.

 
 
I suggested that several times already as being her recourse to resume fighting but at the moment Katsuyu isn't healing anyone by herself. It needs to be brought up for discussion in the manga before we can take it seriously. 
 

There are also no real indications that shes not going to return anytime soon.

 
 
Actually, there is some indications when you analyse the wording from the panel I provided but even if you remove that she still is not taking any initiatives.
 

As said one possiblity is that kishi wants the readers to keep the picture of her thinkin negativ about sasuke.

 
 
And this isn't possible whilst she's fighting, because? Shikamaru and the other rookies are suspicious of Sasuke as well but that doesn't mean they're sitting back, staring languidly as people are fighting and suffering around them. 
 

Well kishi just portraied sakuras character based on romance and supporting naruto, but that has nothing to do with her beeing the heroine.

 
 
No, it's just the primary motivation for her seeking out Tsunade to better develop her abilities and become a competent shinobi so she could fight alongside Naruto. 
 
 

A heroine does not need to take a huge roll like in case sasuek and naruto. Its totally ok for her to be shown as the supportive character most of the time.

 
 
A hero takes initiative, they distinguish themselves by displaying acts of unbreakable fortitude and strength through their actions. Courage, strength, ambition, perseverance... Sakura has the makings of a hero but Kishi isn't properly executing the role for her. 
 
Hero/Protagonist != Support Character
 
Which one is it? Naruto and Sasuke have always been portrayed as the protagonists of this manga even when they weren't the focus. I can't argue the same for Sakura. 
 

Because thats maybe not the way kishi wants to show her. Sasuke is one of her biggest charcter issue that needs to be fixed and that is the reason why a lot of her actions are related to sasuke.

 
 
So this one-dimensional fixation of her feelings on Sasuke and Naruto is the only characteristic that Sakura has? She has no conflicts with other characters, no external demons to  deal with, or any purpose for her actions at all besides her romance subplot? People accuse other characters for having a single-minded mindset and yet the impression I'm getting here is that it's acceptable so long as Sakura displays those traits. That just seems hypocritical to me. 
 

I mean look back at past chapters, there was nearly always something about sasuke (confession, sasuke rescue, after village destruction, itachi search arc)

 
That's not the final extremity of her character. Sakura has other subplots and aspects of her character to resolve that don't revolve around that man. 
 

Not everyone can be saved, people will die if they fight

 
Including the people who are capable of minimizing those casualties by continuing to heal. 
 

Some chapters ago sakura said she was equal to her teammates.

 
That appeared to be spoken in the context that she could now fight alongside them. Not that she was their equal in ability. 
 

Only because shes medic doesnt mean that she not that important.

 
Medical activities are a supplementary practice, one that focuses on assisting those who go out to bring about changes in the world or in battle. Does that resonate with someone who is referred to as a hero? Is staying back and healing fodder off-screen a person's ideal of a hero? For most that isn't true. 
 

Whats so speicial in seeing her fight?

 
What is so significant that she could distinguish herself as the protagonist by healing people? The scope and potency of her healing is profound, but it does nothing to suggest that she is in any way more significant than other female characters. Hell, I've seen people make argues to suggest that Ino has qualities that are more definable as a heroine. Unrelenting courage in the face of danger, passion, determination... And she's intended to be a support-based character.

Kishi can make a bungling mess of an effort when attempting to portray a heroine but my god, at least try to offer enough narrative development to adequately confirm that this character is indeed the heroine so there isn't anyone questioning whether so-and-so would be a better choice.

[arian_rad]

I think the fight that Sakura will officially take place in and show herself as the main female protagonist is the neo-sannin fight that will undoubtedly happen. I don't like how she is somewhat being used right now either to heal everyone but I know that she will have a HUGE impact in the very final fight and be alongside Naruto.