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[Dkey]

If she breaks the Susano'o is not that unrealistic. However, that doesn't make her equal. There's still Amaterasu and Enton Karatsugi... I haven't seen any other way to stop it unless you seal it...

 

She could counter Amaterasu if she indeed has Tsunade's healing techniques. If she isn't fully enveloped (let's say only a hand) cut it quickly so the fire doesn't spread and then regenerate the lost limb.

 

But sealing the flames is arguably safer

[Chatte]

@Strider, Tsukuyomi, it's debatable. With her chakra control I pretty much think she could break it the same way I think Tsunade could do it.

Not to mention Sakura's defensive capabilities against high level genjutsus.

 

@DKey...it's either that, arguably or either running away from it's path which arguably she could do as well with her new adition on speed.

[redragon88]

@ramenanmitsu

 

We'll need further explanation before making a proper conclusion, but as the japanese forums explained it just doesn't feel right to establish that Sakura was capable of that much power on her own all along.

 

If that's the case that would mean that at the beginning of Part 2 Sakura was already leagues above both Naruto and Sasuke, and that it was them who where actually catching up to her in power. That would mean that she had actually surpassed them back them so she should've gotten over her inferiority complex a long time ago.

 

It just doesn't fit with the story to imply that Sakura was that strong all along. It goes against the flow that the story had established for her.

 

I'm hoping that her increase in strength has something to do with the seal because that would actually make way more sense and look less forced.

[StriderC]

@Strider, Tsukuyomi, it's debatable. With her chakra control I pretty much think she could break it the same way I think Tsunade could do it.

Not to mention Sakura's defensive capabilities against high level genjutsus.

 

@DKey...it's either that, arguably or either running away from it's path which arguably she could do as well with her new adition on speed.

She'd have to be an extraordinary genjutsu expert. I mean, Kurenai got countered and she's a genjutsu expert so I don't know. Also, Tsunade isn't a genjutsu type so who knows if even she could counter it. I doubt it. But at the moment, it's all speculation. It's only certain that his "ultimate defense" would shatter. 

[Chatte]

She'd have to be an extraordinary genjutsu expert. I mean, Kurenai got countered and she's a genjutsu expert so I don't know. Also, Tsunade isn't a genjutsu type so who knows if even she could counter it. I doubt it. But at the moment, it's all speculation. It's only certain that his "ultimate defense" would shatter. 

But she wasn't mentioned for perfect chakra control. That's what makes Tsunade and Sakura different. Even if you're an expert, that doesn't mean you can counter it if your chakra control isn't that good.

I will explain later as now I am looking at TL's reviews. Sound on my computer is back, yay!

[ramenanmitsu]

@ramenanmitsu

 

We'll need further explanation before making a proper conclusion, but as the japanese forums explained it just doesn't feel right to establish that Sakura was capable of that much power on her own all along.

 

If that's the case that would mean that at the beginning of Part 2 Sakura was already leagues above both Naruto and Sasuke, and that it was them who where actually catching up to her in power. That would mean that she had actually surpassed them back them so she should've gotten over her inferiority complex a long time ago.

 

It just doesn't fit with the story to imply that Sakura was that strong all along. It goes against the flow that the story had established for her.

 

I'm hoping that her increase in strength has something to do with the seal because that would actually make way more sense and look less forced.

Yes, exactly. It's unacceptable 

Edited by ramenanmitsu, 01 June 2013 - 03:06 PM.

[ramenanmitsu]

I was just gonna post what Chatte pretty much said. Destroying Susanoo doesn't make her his equal. It just shows how powerful her punch is and that she can break pretty much any defense. She can't destroy Amaterasu and Tsukiyomi, but Susanoo is no problem. It's understandable considering Tsunade has already done it pretty much and given Sakura's strength right now, I wouldn't be surprised if one punch destroyed it.

 

As far as Shizune's comment, we'll have to wait on more chapters. It's crazy that Kishi makes Sakura's situation a bit confusing.    So do you think she was setting a set amount of chakra in her storage at a time? 

That's why I was saying nearly equal. 

 

I think she had to control the same amount of chakra to store continuously. Hence Shizune mentioning "The ultimately precise chakra control". It's like you have a high-level water tap that continuously pours in the exact same amount of water in a bucket non-stop. God damn Kishi making her abilities so confusing!  I was searching for the internet yesterday if her jutsu had anything do with Japanese and Buddhist mythology. I'm supposed to enjoy the manga, not become a professor in mythology. 

[megi]

Yes, Sakura did not have this power at the beginning of part 2.

 

As for her irresponsibility of not using all of her chakra, I think it's been touched upon a few times.

Sakura is putting part of her chakra into the seal at all times.

 

Let's say 40/60 so that we have different numbers to look at . She can only use 40% of her chakra while the other 60% is being put into the seal. (these are not accurate numbers)

If she would have "released" the chakra or stopped the chakra building during the battle with Scorpion or during the Pein arc, she would still only have 40% to use at that time.  The theory is that she had to sacrifice a certain amount of her natural chakra reserve to make this seal. That 60% (or whatever amount) is being used solely for that.

For her to stop doing it at once doesn't mean that she can fully use 100% at once. Because she now has the seal, that is where all her stored chakra is. Before, she did not have the seal, and all that extra chakra wouldn't not be at her disposal to use.

 

My opinion is that she is near the level of Sasuke and Naruto. Her abilities are quite different than the others. They all have different strengths and weaknesses, and that's why I say they are on the same level. It's like the Sannin - they are not equal in every part of their stat, but their strengths balance each other out.

[Chatte]

@ramenanmitsu

 

We'll need further explanation before making a proper conclusion, but as the japanese forums explained it just doesn't feel right to establish that Sakura was capable of that much power on her own all along.

 

If that's the case that would mean that at the beginning of Part 2 Sakura was already leagues above both Naruto and Sasuke, and that it was them who where actually catching up to her in power. That would mean that she had actually surpassed them back them so she should've gotten over her inferiority complex a long time ago.

 

It just doesn't fit with the story to imply that Sakura was that strong all along. It goes against the flow that the story had established for her.

 

I'm hoping that her increase in strength has something to do with the seal because that would actually make way more sense and look less forced.

 

I would like to counter this.

Yes, she would be leagues above them and she was, but in terms of chakra control. Which she was way back in part 1 mentioned to be.

If you guys remember the tree climbing, she's was leagues above them since it took her only one shot and it took them a whole afternoon and night to get to control their chakra a bit properly.

So that is not out of the themes. It's actually in-theme, so to speak.

However, one problem she's always been having then and now is stamina aka chakra levels.

They were good, but not enough while Sasuke's and Naruto's were huge! And that always kept them being able to fight for long.

However, that, for Sakura was a high issue. Even if she would've had all the power, she would've gone depleted faster than them hence, making her watch their backs, thing that she always hated.

Therefore, she took on this seal thing, sacrificed everything so that she could be of help to them. To be at their level.

It's a really nice parallel with the Sannins. Equal in terms of potential. She was better at some stuff but worse at others, while Sasuke and Naruto were worse at some but better at others.

Dunno if it makes sense as I am a bit tired atm, but hope you guys get it.

 

As for how Sakura could counter Tsukuyomi, I already did a VS scenario with Tsunade and Itachi.

Here it is if you wanna read it

http://narutobase.ne...ad.php?t=248358

[Verilance]

I thought of an explanation that may do for some

 

say off your paycheque 10% is automatically deducted by your employer (or whoever) into a savings account for you

 

with that account there is a stipulation that you cannot touch the money until a certain amount is reached

 

now that the level is reached the account is open and all of the money is available

 

in Naruto terms

 

Sakura has been banking the chakra using Tsunade's training, it requires precise chakra control (her forte) to do so which why not everyone can use this method.

 

She could not use the chakra before because she had not reached the level needed to release the seal as she said in last chapter

 

now she has all the chakra she has been saving for these years is available to her to use as needed

[Chatte]

But Sakura isn't using chakra from the seal because she hasn't released it yet.

Whenever you release the seal, that's when you benefit from the chakra stored there, otherwise, you use the chakra you have on your own, so to speak.

So Sakura is using her full power without touching the seal.

[StriderC]

That's why I was saying nearly equal. 

 

I think she had to control the same amount of chakra to store continuously. Hence Shizune mentioning "The ultimately precise chakra control". It's like you have a high-level water tap that continuously pours in the exact same amount of water in a bucket non-stop. God damn Kishi making her abilities so confusing!  I was searching for the internet yesterday if her jutsu had anything do with Japanese and Buddhist mythology. I'm supposed to enjoy the manga, not become a professor in mythology. 

LMAO Indeed, but it's really interesting when you think about it. All of this discussion came from one seal. Regardless of that, it's pretty awesome that we're getting into deep discussion trying to unravel the mystery of her technique and piece it all together. ^_^

[StriderC]

But Sakura isn't using chakra from the seal because she hasn't released it yet.

Whenever you release the seal, that's when you benefit from the chakra stored there, otherwise, you use the chakra you have on your own, so to speak.

So Sakura is using her full power without touching the seal.

 

If this is indeed the case, then that pretty much means that she has had this power all along, and I don't think she did... Next chapter couldn't come any faster...

[Dkey]

I thought of an explanation that may do for some

 

say off your paycheque 10% is automatically deducted by your employer (or whoever) into a savings account for you

 

with that account there is a stipulation that you cannot touch the money until a certain amount is reached

 

now that the level is reached the account is open and all of the money is available

 

in Naruto terms

 

Sakura has been banking the chakra using Tsunade's training, it requires precise chakra control (her forte) to do so which why not everyone can use this method.

 

She could not use the chakra before because she had not reached the level needed to release the seal as she said in last chapter

 

now she has all the chakra she has been saving for these years is available to her to use as needed

 

 

more like saving an X percentage of your pay check for something and when you get it you are able to use that X percentage along with your entire paycheck. Thus being able to spend more.

Edited by Dkey, 01 June 2013 - 03:48 PM.

[redragon88]

Yes, Sakura did not have this power at the beginning of part 2.

 

As for her irresponsibility of not using all of her chakra, I think it's been touched upon a few times.

Sakura is putting part of her chakra into the seal at all times.

 

Let's say 40/60 so that we have different numbers to look at . She can only use 40% of her chakra while the other 60% is being put into the seal. (these are not accurate numbers)

If she would have "released" the chakra or stopped the chakra building during the battle with Scorpion or during the Pein arc, she would still only have 40% to use at that time.  The theory is that she had to sacrifice a certain amount of her natural chakra reserve to make this seal. That 60% (or whatever amount) is being used solely for that.

For her to stop doing it at once doesn't mean that she can fully use 100% at once. Because she now has the seal, that is where all her stored chakra is. Before, she did not have the seal, and all that extra chakra wouldn't not be at her disposal to use.

 

My opinion is that she is near the level of Sasuke and Naruto. Her abilities are quite different than the others. They all have different strengths and weaknesses, and that's why I say they are on the same level. It's like the Sannin - they are not equal in every part of their stat, but their strengths balance each other out.

 

Scorpion?

 

 

So you say that while creating the seal that also made Sakura's natural chakra reserves increase? That would make sense.

 

Then only after the seal is complete could she actually access her newly increased reserves of chakra.

 

For example, Sakura's natural chakra reserves are of 50. But she locked away part of that 50 in order to create the seal. And because of constantly saving chakra that made her reserves increase up to 500, but she could only access all of that after the seal was complete.

[Verilance]

But Sakura isn't using chakra from the seal because she hasn't released it yet.

Whenever you release the seal, that's when you benefit from the chakra stored there, otherwise, you use the chakra you have on your own, so to speak.

So Sakura is using her full power without touching the seal.

 

She said she released it which to my mind is why the diamond is visible, that does not mean that she is using the entire amount or even any of it as you say just that now it is available for her too use if she so chooses

 

ooops I liked my post while trying to edit ha ha

 

anyway Tsunade is always using her stored chakra to make her appear young which is why her diamond is always visible

Edited by Verilance, 01 June 2013 - 03:54 PM.

[redragon88]

 

I would like to counter this.

Yes, she would be leagues above them and she was, but in terms of chakra control. Which she was way back in part 1 mentioned to be.

If you guys remember the tree climbing, she's was leagues above them since it took her only one shot and it took them a whole afternoon and night to get to control their chakra a bit properly.

So that is not out of the themes. It's actually in-theme, so to speak.

However, one problem she's always been having then and now is stamina aka chakra levels.

They were good, but not enough while Sasuke's and Naruto's were huge! And that always kept them being able to fight for long.

However, that, for Sakura was a high issue. Even if she would've had all the power, she would've gone depleted faster than them hence, making her watch their backs, thing that she always hated.

Therefore, she took on this seal thing, sacrificed everything so that she could be of help to them. To be at their level.

It's a really nice parallel with the Sannins. Equal in terms of potential. She was better at some stuff but worse at others, while Sasuke and Naruto were worse at some but better at others.

Dunno if it makes sense as I am a bit tired atm, but hope you guys get it.

 

That sounds good actually.

 

So you could say that even if Sakura was able to make a punch of that magnitude all along if she had tried it before forming the seal she would've immediately collapsed thanks to her low chakra and stamina.

 

That actually sounds acceptable. Sakura could make a devastating punch but it would also knock her out since she wasn't tough enough to handle the power. But thanks to creating the seal she was able to also increase her stamina/chakra levels so that it wouldn't immediately exhaust her.

 

That's actually a very nice theory for her power. Similar to Naruto learning rasenshuriken but being forbidden of using it before sage mode since it caused him harm.

 

Good job.

[ramenanmitsu]

 

Scorpion? 

 

Sasori means Scorpion. So I think Megi thought that is how they read in the West.

Edited by ramenanmitsu, 01 June 2013 - 04:03 PM.

[redragon88]

 

 

Scorpion? 

 

Sasori means Scorpion. So I think Megi thought that is how they read in the West.

 

 

It would be funny though.

 

Scorpion: Get over here!

Sakura: Ok! SHANNARO! (devastation punch)

Scorpion: I regret everything.

[ramenanmitsu]

 

It would be funny though.

 

Scorpion: Get over here!

Sakura: Ok! SHANNARO! (devastation punch)

Scorpion: I regret everything.

   

 

We should change it to Cherry People vs. Scorpion!

Edited by ramenanmitsu, 01 June 2013 - 04:10 PM.