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[No WhereMan]

I think everyone criticizes a company when they make a bad move. Sony's criticizm occurred in their sales for the ps3. Despite the fact they're exclusives often become contenders for GoTY, they were still lagging behind MS in the seventh generation console race. It's now when it seems like they come to us with a more humble and easier manner that people have been easing up on them.

 

But on the flip side MS basically did the exact opposite and they got hurt for it. They're best decision was to change their plans before it became too lasting. I mean enough people will forget the DRM stuff come Nov. Doesn't mean that MS isn't in hot water till then.

[dl316bh]

Sony's criticizm occurred in their sales for the ps3.

 

Yeah, stemming from the price, which caused people - like me, who had been on board the Sony train since the PSOne - to jump on the competitions console. In my case - and a lot of others - it didn't work out. But still, whether I regretted it or not, I made that purchase and at the time felt like I'd made the right choice, given how much cheaper it was.

Edited by dl316bh, 21 June 2013 - 02:07 AM.

[Inferno180]

 

 

I already said that. "Sony got arrogant last time and it cost them". No one's forgotten. But a ridiculous price point kind of pales in comparison to an effort to change the rules of ownership. And they will try again unless the costs are shown to outweigh the benefits. In fact they could still turn the DRM back on at any time. They're turning it off with a patch, they can sure turn it back on with one.

 

I've also criticized Nintendo quite a bit in the past and I actually LIKE them. I'm not the only one. So I don't know where you're getting this "no one criticized THEM" business from.

 

I doubt the DRM thing would come back considering the backlash this already gave them, I mean to sell a console and then delibertily put those restrictions online again would be a clear violation of consumers rights, this would be stuff to end MS. But the DRM thing returning? After all this? Not as long as the old model will stick around, the world just is not ready for an all digital market right now. Besides, its not being turned off with a simple patch, its the hardware they need to change for now. Its not out of the gate, thats what I mean, they at least went back on these bad decisions so its at least turning away from a worse case scenario. I mean after what happened, I myself am ticked off, Don Mattirick is a complete douche, but in the same way MS reversed its own decisions to save itself from losing a lot of money and try to start fixing its PR with gamers, Sony lept on everyone's misfortune just to get them to their side too. Sony didn't go for MS, they went for the anguished gamer last week, thats just business, get the customer what they wanted. Now MS just simply responded by doing an "oh we were wrong with our choices, we will listen to the customers" and now managed to get some people back. Sony made the first strike taking advantage of the anguished gamer, now MS is responded basically to remove the anguished gamer sony managed to find some profit in. Its just plain business maneuvers, sony took advantage of a weakness from MS, MS countered by reducing what Sony took advantage of.

 

But seriously, DRM returning? They saw the fallout from the intended choices before it became real, as I said before, if they actually did that, they would be up to their asses in lawsuits and losing the PR relation across all their platforms. It would just be the biggest blow to MS history and make other companies no longer invest with them. Its not going to come back for the duration of the xbox one, at least 10 years. They saw the fallout, if it was going to cost them so much money, what would they return it suddenly, just to lose even more? That right there makes no sense. The only online requirement now is as they said, booted up the first time then just go from there. I am ticked off at MS for what they did, but I am going to eventually get an Xbox one, why? Cause it has the games I like. Eventually like any other system, a price drop will come, I'd most likely get a X1 around fall of next year when Halo 5 or Destiny is closer to release, only thing that looks interesting to get sooner to me at this point is titanfall, but I can wait on that one too.

[shadow_Uzumaki]

http://gaminrealm.co...ll-drop-to-399/  So, at this point, it truly does come down to your own opinion now.  

[Cloud]

Microsoft really has no backbone to its policies.

 

And no, Microsoft wasn't listening to customers, they saw how much this would hurt their wallets in the long run, so they changed it. 

I know Sony is a corporation too, out for money so I know they're not buddy-buddy with us consumers either.

[Mik3]

http://gaminrealm.co...ll-drop-to-399/  So, at this point, it truly does come down to your own opinion now.  

I'd actually like that to happen, that said, thats not a report, its speculation.  The writer himself stated it in the comments.

 

And seeing as the Kinect 2.0 is their focal selling point, I'm not sure they'd just axe it from being mandatory. You can't even use an Xboxone without one being kinected.  lol puns.

Edited by Mik3, 21 June 2013 - 05:56 PM.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

I think everyone criticizes a company when they make a bad move. Sony's criticizm occurred in their sales for the ps3. Despite the fact they're exclusives often become contenders for GoTY, they were still lagging behind MS in the seventh generation console race. It's now when it seems like they come to us with a more humble and easier manner that people have been easing up on them.

 

But on the flip side MS basically did the exact opposite and they got hurt for it. They're best decision was to change their plans before it became too lasting. I mean enough people will forget the DRM stuff come Nov. Doesn't mean that MS isn't in hot water till then.

I dont think so recently PS3 surpassed XBOX360 on sales for 1 million  the problem with sony was the high price on the release and the alien cell thing.

Sony has more market than XBOX, xbox pratically doenst exist on Asian and sony has better sales in Europe, and US now surpassed Microsoft, the fact is that it's the price, really few people play with kinect, if MS removed that they would have a pair to pair price with Sony but the problem with MS is that they seem to force everyone to use only their products, first on XBOX we have kinect, bing, internet explorer, skype, smartglass even the HD and the processor with is custom built from Microsoft.
At least Sony made the things more flexible, you can change your HD, even remove and put an SSD disk or other.

You dont need ps eye.
PS4 is ahead because of it's price and it's subscription which is cheaper also and now that the PS3 surpassed XBOX360 and PS4 already sold their launch pre-order.

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 21 June 2013 - 06:56 PM.

[No WhereMan]

Yes, this is recently. Throughout most of the 7th generation race, Sony had been lagging behind the Wii and 360. It's only now 2013 that they're finally pulling ahead. But the price tag and their arogance cost them a lot throughout most of that term. Now, a kindler, gentler, humble Sony, seized the PR debacle that MS created and appeared to be nice guy out of the whole event, which won a lot of their costumers back. Even now despite the fact a lot of people are still going to get the XB1, there are many more that are sticking with Sony, because of the rough deal MS tried to give them.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

Yes, this is recently. Throughout most of the 7th generation race, Sony had been lagging behind the Wii and 360. It's only now 2013 that they're finally pulling ahead. But the price tag and their arogance cost them a lot throughout most of that term. Now, a kindler, gentler, humble Sony, seized the PR debacle that MS created and appeared to be nice guy out of the whole event, which won a lot of their costumers back. Even now despite the fact a lot of people are still going to get the XB1, there are many more that are sticking with Sony, because of the rough deal MS tried to give them.

I feel the real excuse was the price, even with RDM that microsoft tried to force it's inevitable that on a future RDM will be forced on consoles, the damage will be to the one who starts it first, Sony planned to put a RDM and they even made a system that could control the used sales but due to the problems that Sony had they didnt wanted to take the lead on this, and even having an unfinished console they make the effort to show it first than Microsoft, they didnt showed the console only what would have into it, then on E3 they showed the console again despite with the design unfinished and some less exclusive games than XBOX which proves once again that they rushed the PS4 thing because of XBX1 so to counter balance Microsoft they made a more powerfull and cheaper console than XBX1, people would get it anyway because of COD and Madden.

Microsoft took all the damage and i dont think Sony is going to force RDM, but i think on PS5 or whatever they will, but similar to Steam.

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 21 June 2013 - 07:43 PM.

[Mik3]

Looks like they are dropping the Kinect requirement, however, they are not dropping the price..

 

Its kind of funny, the always online connection, the mandatory kinect was supposed to be such a big difference, but I doubt that since they were so willing to flip on their policies.  

[dl316bh]

I know Sony is a corporation too, out for money so I know they're not buddy-buddy with us consumers either.

 

No corporation is. They are not human beings, with morals and ethics and the capacity to be nice. They are a whole mess of people who answer to shareholders and only care about one thing: Money and making lots of it. They are not our friends - and frankly, they don't even really like us, because we don't always roll over when they want us to - and they are never looking out for us. If they do something good, it's because of a tangible benefit. Sony does all the cool s*** it does because it benefits them in public opinion and brand.

 

There's this really weird notion some people have that corporations and business can do no wrong and if everyone would just get out of their way they'd be good and take care of us and not screw us. This is despite the fact that corps prove them wrong every single time. People need to realize that they will never be out for anything but profit and if we let them run roughshod they will ultimately wittle away at our rights, because holy crap man those restrictions are getting in the way of making MORE MONEY!!!

 

People can be kind; corporations are ruthless.

I feel the real excuse was the price, even with RDM that microsoft tried to force it's inevitable that on a future RDM will be forced on consoles

 

Yeah, if we let them. The only thing that is inevitable is what we'll let them get away with. Which is exactly why dropping the policies shouldn't mean "well I guess I can get one now". They need to be damaged so they don't try it again.

 

If we keep pressure and never accept something like this, it'll be too much of a risk to force through and the return won't be good enough to be worth it.

 

I love Blade Runner to pieces, but I do not want a world where corps are essentially gods; the rules of ownership are where I draw the line.

Edited by dl316bh, 22 June 2013 - 12:02 AM.

[shadow_Uzumaki]

I feel the real excuse was the price, even with RDM that microsoft tried to force it's inevitable that on a future RDM will be forced on consoles, the damage will be to the one who starts it first, Sony planned to put a RDM and they even made a system that could control the used sales but due to the problems that Sony had they didnt wanted to take the lead on this, and even having an unfinished console they make the effort to show it first than Microsoft, they didnt showed the console only what would have into it, then on E3 they showed the console again despite with the design unfinished and some less exclusive games than XBOX which proves once again that they rushed the PS4 thing because of XBX1 so to counter balance Microsoft they made a more powerfull and cheaper console than XBX1, people would get it anyway because of COD and Madden.

Microsoft took all the damage and i dont think Sony is going to force RDM, but i think on PS5 or whatever they will, but similar to Steam.

 

 

RDM, Robert Downey Man!

 

It's DRM.

[Inferno180]

Controversies aside, I find it hard anyone even wanted the draconian methods of the Xbox one in the first place, it really was unneeded to just try and increase this enforcement. I'm really happy and relieved they reversed their choice though, so yeah I will get an xbox one eventually just around the time Destiny or the next-gen Halo drop, or at least the price falls under $500 a few months past this november.

 

But yeah the fires of this crap storm will die out, yeah MS only changed it because they knew the ordeal could cost them a lot, only thing MS hates is not making money. I mean people would have still bought the system regardless, mainly those who play every system or the most loyal fans. Now that theres a day one patch to enable the offline, (yeah thats how it will work once its opened) it only needs to go online once to be verified as an activated console, then you are free to put it offline forever if you want. I really just use my 360 as it was originally intended, for games, MS really was being crazy trying to take the game aspect away from a console making it more of a dvd player. Least the used game and online check ins are removed, thats fine, until a better system can be found or consoles decide to work like steam, they should not try these alternative methods. Still to reduce the loss of money on used games they were so worried about, would it have been so hard for MS or Sony for that matter to just get their lawyers, draw up some sale-profit % split stuff for used game sales by distributors? Seriously, was this that hard to do? Just make it so say a used 5 year old game was sold for $20, would it be so hard to see something like, maybe 20-25% of the profit earned goes directly to the parent company (MS, Sony, Nintendo, etc). LIke in this case MS could get that $4 or $5 from the used game sold? Is this type of stuff really impossible? They could have just done small legal work like this rather than cause all this commontion for a risk they knew would give backlash.

 

I am happy and frustrated though, I mean yes I am really happy they pulled the crap back and now people who get the xbox one can game freely and without fear of this DRM or used game crap. They know if it causes them to loose money, safe to say they won't try again. If they did, they better rethink some stuff that does not directly interfere with the rights of the customer like this did. But safe to think that they won't try pulling this same stuff again with such restrictions. But MS seriously hurt their PR relations, I mean I am going to get an Xbox one, just until again the games I want or the price its listed as drops a bit, even by just $50 would do. However for now, its watchdog time to make sure they don't just act all smug and douche like again. If anything, its the oldest ordeal a corporation must know, they cannot live without customers. Xbox is a major product of MS, to lose it would have hurt them big time, better to try rebuilding that relation rather then take an unneeded risk.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

http://gaminrealm.co...ll-drop-to-399/  So, at this point, it truly does come down to your own opinion now.  

I doubt they will remove the kinect it will be more obvious they will remove the HD and show a slim version with 4GB storage, Microsoft is not the type of company that would remove their own products from the console it's like  Windows 8  without Internet Explorer.

 

http://www.gamespot....box-one-6410493

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 24 June 2013 - 01:23 AM.

[Shadow1275]

Right now its a question of price only bc MS got smart and reverted their policies. That being said, all this "Your Feedback Matters" stuff is bullcrap. They didn't change their policy until after the pre-order results came back, some showing that big retailers like Gamestop were dropping Xbox 1 orders. Personally I still think that MS cares more about profit margins then the consumer.

[Mik3]

Right now its a question of price only bc MS got smart and reverted their policies. That being said, all this "Your Feedback Matters" stuff is bullcrap. They didn't change their policy until after the pre-order results came back, some showing that big retailers like Gamestop were dropping Xbox 1 orders. Personally I still think that MS cares more about profit margins then the consumer.

Well, of course. That's how they are able to operate, by profiting. Every company wants your money, Sony included. My issue with Microsoft is they introduced these policies in the first place, maybe because they expected Sony to follow suit, but they had planned this for a while. Then they started talking down to the consumer when it was received poorly. And when Amazon and Gamestop reported the high Playstation to Xbox pre-order ratios, only then did they do something.  Basically they told us to deal with it, saw they were going to lose $$$, and back peddled to "We listened guys! We aren't doing it, because we love you! Forget everything we said!"

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

Right now its a question of price only bc MS got smart and reverted their policies. That being said, all this "Your Feedback Matters" stuff is bullcrap. They didn't change their policy until after the pre-order results came back, some showing that big retailers like Gamestop were dropping Xbox 1 orders. Personally I still think that MS cares more about profit margins then the consumer.

I feel more the the XBX1 was not designed to be console gamer on the first place the DDR3 RAM proves this the difference between GDDR5 ps4 and DD3 is that the gddr5 is done exclusevly for tasks such as gaming and video streaming, the data bus of gddr5 is 256 bit , it's done to allow high transferences of data, while the ddr3 is with it's 64 bit data bus is most suitable for SO systems but has a downside in terms of gaming because game demands high bus data transfer, so i feel that XBX1 was more designed to be a entertainment family system than a gaming console.

It has 3 So systems running on the background and it's main focus is to al family owning one, not necessarily to be gaming but to watch TV and do other stuff.

[Dragunov]

Well, i'm getting one. 

 

 

Halo til I drop.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

 

Kinect 2.0 killing cats.

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 24 June 2013 - 03:26 PM.

[HauntedCake]

I owned and played the PS1 from 1997-2001. I then swapped to the xbox from 2001-2007 then bought the 360. Mostly for Halo.

 

Lately i am beginning to hate MS and the xbox and gettong fond of going back to my sony roots and picking up the ps4

Edited by HauntedCake, 24 June 2013 - 05:45 PM.