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[Shadow1275]

Great Chapter overall. Rin's death reason was a little rushed in my opinion but at least the flashback was short and it does explain why Obito manipulated the mizukage. Plus seeing Kakashi's Lightning blade in action brought a smile to my face, and Sakura healing Naruto was the icing on the cake. Still, I think the next couple chapters will be Kakashi vs. Obito. The real question is who will reach Naruto first, the new Kages or the edo-Kages?

Here's another theory to play around with. Let's say that all the Kage's are on the battlefield and Orochimaru changes his mind or reveals his true colors after Madara and Hashirama go off to do their own thing. I wonder if we might get an old Kages vs. New Kages battle royale.

Edited by Shadow1275, 08 May 2013 - 03:12 PM.

[harry4e]

I wonder what that Panel with Naruto with the Bijuu and the Shadow of the Sage of the six path was all about, is there somethnig more to it? Or was it just a mere mental physical representation of what the Juubi see's when he looks at Naruto? I really want to see what that was about.

The artwork was a bit off in some of the panels I thought, specially the one with Sakura healing Naruto, was I the only one who thought that looked like Tsunade?

So if Rin was made into the three tails Hosts, when was Yagura the host? It would be after because when Kisame met Obito when he was controlling Yugara...that leaves so many holes in the timeline for Kiri that it's doesn't make sense, who was the third Kirigakage then? When the Kages were revived the second did not recognise Gaara's father, who as been the Kage for atleast before Gaara was born, which is around the time Rin was killed. So it would mean the third Kirigakage was the one who came up with the plan to make Rin the host of the three tails.

So was it Madara? Was he the one who made the plan to make Rin the host? But that would not make sense as it would mean he'd lose a potential easy Bijuu to capture later on for his mooneye plan. Which by the way is the dumbest plan ever, Who would think it would be a good idea to let loose a 3 thails on another village like that who would just seal the Beast away and end up with one more powerful weapon, where they'd end up with non. It's about as short sighted as you can get.

[Inferno180]

She should be a leader to her clan but ask me where's the development?
Neji died yes, he did, but he dies and there's no flashbacks or even some scene that Neji tells her that she should lead her clan, on the war arc.
But no, then 615 comes, she didnt waver she didnt had development she just suddenly "A wild hinata appears and give a speech" Chouji,Ino and Shikamaru had development to give a speech like that but not Hinata how could she understand how Naruto was feelings on that moment if her nindo or better if she wasnt even tested.
She didnt faced any situation like all the other characters that i pointed out demanded.
She just BAM gives a speech and deal with it.

629 was basically this, where's the development for her to become a leader when on the last panel we saw her chasing Naruto on the battlefield chasing him and "healed" his arm.
The problem with her character is just those off panels development that are getting ridiculous, she's becoming what she should be but not with development for sure.


Well i'm not talking about heroine role but still i would comment this, i see Sakura supporting Naruto as a medic ninja and Hinata asspulling all the time which is bothering me, it's not what Sakura is doing but what Hinata is doing without development.

Sakura is the main heroine , her importance lies with the fact of the team 7 which seems to be the whole theme of this manga, resolving Sasuke's situation and the bromance which damaged the story on shippuuden.

Guess aside from Sasuke's asspulling, Hinata is the second biggest troublemaker in this department? It gets very hard to relate to hinata with these constant sudden moments when her role is so limited and yet people try to make it seem like theres much more to it. All there is to Hinata is this:
-Born into a clan of elite people but she was the opposite of it
-Disowned by her father, made a ninja in hopes to improve
-Shy and just flidgets a lot.
-Got her ass kicked by Neji, Naruto kicked his ass for her, this importance towards her just dissapeared as soon as Naruto won (rather the fight had more importance towards Neji, neji was a priority character over Hinata).
-Met Naruto in part 2 but fainted.
-Had a minor role in the Itachi pursuit arc but that arc was for Sasuke and Itachi, her role as the rest of the team seeking Itachi was limited and had no real development.
-Confesses her love and gets steamrolled by pain
-Gets protected by neji, gives a speech, and then thinks about Naruto's hand and fixes a shoulder (not like its just basic chiropractic work yet NH fans say this makes her better than sakura. )

There, literally all of Hinata's notable roles and yet how many other characters have done more? Maybe kishi should take a break from Hinata? I mean the leadership stuff for her, thats acceptable given how the Hyugya operate but thats really all I can see from hinata, her becoming the leader of the Hyugua as Hisashi accepts and having the confidence to do things herself. I mean its not like she can be happy for Naruto in a NS ending, she can simply just be happy for him and move on, she is not the jealous type and her type of character with such a limited role could easily get away with that. Lets say anywhere from 60-100 chapters or so from now, Kishi actually revealed NS as the canon pairing, he could simply have Hinata stand in the background, have a panel focus on her and let her smile and just move on, that would not be an asspull, he could easily do that given Hinata's limited role. Even then other characters would still have more priority over her, not only team 7, also taka, karin is a more important character than her, she has had a more active role. Not to mention how anytime in this simulated future chapter space, we would also get the hokages aid, Hashirama vs Madara, the fate of the kages who faced Madara, heck we even need to see Yamato's fate as well. Simply put, kishi can give Hinata a reasonable ending without NH, he can make NS the canon pairing and give Hinata a good ending development based on her just getting confidence and leadership, nothing else major, she could simply move on from Naruto if she saw him with Sakura. Just its hard to believe this stuff with Hinata as you said, the repeated asspulls make it hard to relate to a character who already has such a limited development and yet has almost no real impact on the story overall.

[TouKen4Life3g]

Great Chapter overall. Rin's death reason was a little rushed in my opinion but at least the flashback was short and it does explain why Obito manipulated the mizukage. Plus seeing Kakashi's Lightning blade in action brought a smile to my face, and Sakura healing Naruto was the icing on the cake. Still, I think the next couple chapters will be Kakashi vs. Obito. The real question is who will reach Naruto first, the new Kages or the edo-Kages?

Here's another theory to play around with. Let's say that all the Kage's are on the battlefield and Orochimaru changes his mind or reveals his true colors after Madara and Hashirama go off to do their own thing. I wonder if we might get an old Kages vs. New Kages battle royale.

Well, that could happen like perhaps wait until they get the upperhand with Madara, so now you got rid of evil of the bunch, time to do your move. It's possible. What I want to know right now is the battle between Obito/Kakashi because it somewhat suggests that it won't last long, especially you got someone who seems like he can't die. To me, that could seal that he will get TnJ without a doubt. Kakashi failed sadly, so will he try again with a new approach, or someone else will do?

[Atheck]

1) How long Kakashi/Obito fight will last as well as planning to go back real world?

I continue to firmly believe that Tobi will be JnJed (or TnJed as that appears to be the most commonplace synonym used on this board when referencing Naruto's conversion process). It becomes a matter of how long it will take before the process is complete. Personally, I thought Naruto would have a role in changing Tobi, and he probably will, just not directly. As for a personal estimate for how long it will require my guess is that it will be 3-7 chapters before they return from the pocket dimension.

2) How long does it take for Naruto to gather back chakra since Kuruma wasn't present, meaning he got to work again?

Kurama will need a few chapters before he is able to recommence with providing Naruto chakra. In the mean time he should be meditating whilst Sakura heals him so he can enter SM. That should still be available to him and it would be useful for any defensive or offensive measures that he decides to take during this interval. However, I can't help but feel that Kishi is intentionally preventing Naruto from accessing his forms in an effort to have Naruto "surprise" Sasuke with them once they begin fighting again because remember Sasuke is not aware of Naruto's progression since he learned the Rasengan back in P1. It'll probably come as a shock to him to see how powerful Naruto has become before his own eyes (and not just through the tales of his exploits provided by others).

[HauntedCake]

Had a thought... Sasuke would not want to fight an exhausted Naruto so maybe there will be a break off from the fighting or Naruto is given chakra by some other instant method (Maybe from Minato)

[tricksie]

Definitely some sloppy drawing from Kishi. I didn't like that Sakura panel...

You know, I thought so too. The Sakura panel looked very slapdash. But the two Naruto panels in the beginning of the chapter (the big vertical closeup) were great.

Interesting about Obito and Kakashi. Convenient that Obito knew about Rin, even though it appeared that he didn't. Obito is still just screwing with Kakashi. Looking forward to this — I love Kakashi and Obito is tragic and bizarro-Naruto enough that his character is enjoyable.

As for Sakura/Hinata. Happy to see Sakura, and she's doing exactly what she should, putting her focus on Naruto. It's a nice comparison with Hinata who is now empowered to lead, and the suggestion is that it's for Naruto's sake that she's changed and is doing galvanizing everyone.

This is what bothers me about Sakura's development right now: Sakura is now shown almost always in balance with Hinata. If Sakura gets panel time, then Hinata does too. This ticks me off because Sakura is a main character, part of Naruto's team and worthy of her own storyline in the past. But now, she is shown in balance with Hinata, as if those two were on equal footing. Hinata's status in the story has been raised, and Sakura's impact has been stepped back. It's great we get to see her, but I was (and still am) hoping for a Sakura-based storyline. (Which was why I was so bummed that she was not sent off to heal Tsunade.)

But right now, the main drive for Sakura in the story is to further pairing drama. I know some people are fine with Sakura just being there at the end to get Naruto, but I liked her character as an individual and want to see more of her story, not just her as a foil to Hinata.

So, again, I'm glad to see Sakura. I'm glad to see her staying true to her character, and I am 100% certain of NS. I just wish Sakura wasn't always shown with Hinata. (I know it's a ploy to drive up tension at the end of the story, I just wish they didn't have to sacrifice a better storyline about Sakura to do it.)

[TouKen4Life3g]

I continue to firmly believe that Tobi will be JnJed (or TnJed as that appears to be the most commonplace synonym used on this board when referencing Naruto's conversion process). It becomes a matter of how long it will take before the process is complete. Personally, I thought Naruto would have a role in changing Tobi, and he probably will, just not directly. As for a personal estimate for how long it will require my guess is that it will be 3-7 chapters before they return from the pocket dimension.

I see your point. If they go back and Obito is still the way he is, then Naruto has one last shot to talk to him and Kakashi might the close the whole ordeal before Obito is convinced. I guess you can say Obito is in the stage where you feel you know best. Next phase is when the opposing side has something to say to that. It happened to Pain, where he knows how life works and Naruto was hopeless to respond to that. In the end, Naruto talks and Pain/Nagato lost in speech match. If Kakashi gets destroyed in next chapter, then we will back soon to the battlefield.

Kurama will need a few chapters before he is able to recommence with providing Naruto chakra. In the mean time he should be meditating whilst Sakura heals him so he can enter SM. That should still be available to him and it would be useful for any defensive or offensive measures that he decides to take during this interval. However, I can't help but feel that Kishi is intentionally preventing Naruto from accessing his forms in an effort to have Naruto "surprise" Sasuke with them once they begin fighting again because remember Sasuke is not aware of Naruto's progression since he learned the Rasengan back in P1. It'll probably come as a shock to him to see how powerful Naruto has become before his own eyes (and not just through the tales of his exploits provided by others).

That seems possible. That said it seems like most of the alliance will be out and Naruto and Sakura, at the very least, will be left standing. Everyone is playing defense, which is why Hinata resumed the Hyuuga doing frontline in defense while others do their thing. However, more casualty will happen now since no protection chakra, so now they are really in danger. I don't know what will happen next for Naruto, but it seems like the next level may happen, but we'll see. Not sure how long does others (Sasuke) will take, but wonder what's next move for Madara.

[rockwill]

Just throwing this out but in regard to the panel of the Bijuus, did anyone else notice that 8 tails isn't in the panel at all?

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

How he could sense the shukaku(1-tail) if he didnt met him and he didnt transfered his chakra unless if i'm missing something.

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 08 May 2013 - 03:35 PM.

[Atheck]

Just throwing this out but in regard to the panel of the Bijuus, did anyone else notice that 8 tails isn't in the panel at all?

It probably has to do with Gyuki not being present when all of the bijuu provided their chakra to Naruto. Speaking of which I completely forgot about Killer Bee. What happened to him? Considering that he has the third most powerful bijuu's chakra available to him to use for his own shroud, it being of a superior quality since he can access higher tailed forms than anyone else excluding Naruto, you'd think that he would have easily survived the cataclysmic shockwave caused by the Jubi. In fact he should be in the best condition of anyone there since Gyuki did not have to distribute any of his chakra to anyone nor has he had the Mokuton dragon suckling off his reserves like Kurama.

[TouKen4Life3g]

It probably has to do with Gyuki not being present when all of the bijuu provided their chakra to Naruto. Speaking of which I completely forgot about Killer Bee. What happened to him? Considering that he has the third most powerful bijuu's chakra available to him to use for his own shroud, it being of a superior quality since he can access higher tailed forms than anyone else excluding Naruto, you'd think that he would have easily survived the cataclysmic shockwave caused by the Jubi. In fact he should be in the best condition of anyone there since Gyuki did not have to distribute any of his chakra to anyone nor has he had the Mokuton dragon suckling off his reserves like Kurama.

Well, he did take a lot of hit before Naruto gave his chakra to everyone. He took the blast head on and such. Plus, he was getting beat-up during Obito's flashback. I don't think he's out of fight, but he certainly will be out soon, especially if Naruto don't recover in time and the fact the alliance is on verge of losing with so many less people. I mean we are seeing more of K9 disappearing with each passing chapters. On-panel wise, it suggested Hinata and Chouji are among the few left. This is why I asked because I feel everyone is going to get sweep, except very few and if Sakura continues to stay with Naruto, then she will be one survivor.

[Anguyen92]

All right, just read the chapter. That was one of those very satisfying chapters to read. Did not really expect that part about the motives on Kakashi killing Rin, but looking back on it, it all made sense. Now what?

[merryGOflava]

awesome chapter now we know what happened to rin!!

.........hinata...I can't anymore.....you need to let the other rookies get some panel time now......

there is nothing worse than a character that hogs screen time (thats not the main character)

Edited by merryGOflava, 08 May 2013 - 04:08 PM.

[Hiraishin]

Pretty good chapter, even if it felt rather short.

More Sakura and Hinata... I've gotta say, the amount of Hinata we've gotten lately is too much for my liking. Of course, it's probably to showcase her development, as others have said. Though I wish that panel time went to someone else, anyone else. Except for Sasuke, of course.

I wish we could have seen Sakura's strength with the Kyuubi cloak, but perhaps we'll see it some other time. With her right by Naruto, there's a higher chance we'll see more of Sakura, hopefully with her being awesome, and maybe some NaruSaku, too.

Glad we finally found out what happened to Rin, though I thought it was kind of rushed... What was the point of telling us Obito's reason for turning out this way? Rin's death caused him to realise the ugliness of the shinobi world, I thought we already knew that... I never thought it was just because he was sad that she died. Well, whatever. I'm interested to see where this battle goes.

First half of the chapter was pretty sloppy in terms of art. Either Kishi's really lazy when it comes to Naruto and the Alliance, or his assistants haven't mastered his style yet. Again, when Sakura's time to shine comes, it better look better than this.

[RedDelicious]

Here's another theory to play around with. Let's say that all the Kage's are on the battlefield and Orochimaru changes his mind or reveals his true colors after Madara and Hashirama go off to do their own thing. I wonder if we might get an old Kages vs. New Kages battle royale.

Orochimaru has always been looking for an eternal perfect body, preferably one with a sharingan (or rinnegan).
I could completely see him laying low, helping the Alliance knock down Madara... and then claim the prize he was looking for.

[Nefertieh]

I'm not sure why Hinata has the assumed role of commander for the alliance in this chapter. She already had quite a few significant chapters dedicated to her (even her Juuken magically fixed Naruto's arm without rupturing his liver!), so the fact that she has yet again, another prominent role in this chapter feels forced. It's not exactly what I call character development, but it definitely feels like she will play another big role soon.

I don't understand why somehow this links back to being the leader of her clan. >_> The Hyuuga clan doesn't have much relevance to the manga at all.

I knew the last chapter wasn't foreshadowing anything for Sakura.

That aside, I liked how Obito knew the truth. That was the real twist in this chapter. It was unfortunate Kishimoto made Rin look so surprised in the flashbacks... I'm not sure if it can be called a red herring or just inconsistency.

Edited by Nefertieh, 08 May 2013 - 04:14 PM.

[Branden]

Quite proud of Rin, she died a as a true Shinobi protecting her village. If Obito knew about Rin before he saw Kakashi kill her then that would explain why he didn't kill Kakashi. I think he knew, but he went crazy because he literally got there seconds too late. Then again if Rin didn't die then she would have died from the 4 tails breaking loose in the village, the enemy ninja would have killed Kakashi, and Obito would have never unlocked his mangekyou sharingan.

Obito at this point seems very susceptible to redemption.

EDIT: typo

Edited by Branden, 08 May 2013 - 04:17 PM.

[harry4e]

How he could sense the shukaku(1-tail) if he didnt met him and he didnt transfered his chakra unless if i'm missing something.

Well he did fight Gaara when he was in Full one tails mode, so maybe he'd absorbed some of it's power then? BTW where is Bee?

I can't say I understand Hinata's charactor at all anymore, she's gone from a meek girl to a leader too quickly, and is completely out of Character. where Sakura's gone from the main Female charactor to secondary, very wierd, come on Kishi you said in an interview couple of years ago, that Sakura is the heroine so she'll behave more like one, and it seems she's almost been forgotten since then.

[James S Cassidy]

I second to this but for me the problem is not her being like this, it's how it's portraited like your opinion.
She does stuff with no development at all, the speech which was crap too she didnt had development for that, Neji died yes but no flashbacks or somewhat her thoughts about Neji that would justify what she's doing she's just BAM gives a speech, BAM becomes a leader.
This chapter just proved that, where's her development to became a leader? there's none Kishimoto just shoved on our faces she acting like a leader with no development.
Based on this i have no doubts that soon she will transform into a dragon and defeat the juubi, or even get into the middle of Naruto and Sasuke fight and claims that she understand Sasuke.

Despite that i liked the chapter.

To be honest, I have no hope for Hinata at all. As you said, he kind of just pushes development into her and says "accept it." I kind of given up on Hinata period on this one. Her rushed writing and development is I feel just supposed to catch her up to the rest. Unlike Sakura, who has worked hard to where she is. This is another reason why I feel NH has no hope simply because there is no ground to stand on at this point.

I see NaruHina like a bucket used in target practice. It can still hold water, but not for long until the "holes" drain it. To be honest, I don't even notice Hinata anymore. I literally can ignore each and every moment with her and the story would still make sense. At times even make more sense.

It's hard for me to explain, but it's just...there is just nothing to work off of and anything that can deemed as "workable" is just shallow and makes no sense. I literally can cover my hands over Hinata this chapter and the chapter would still make sense. That's how "important" she is to me.

Bolded: If he really did that, then he would lose not only NS fans, but regular fans as well that are not even into the pairing wars. To have a no nothing character come out of nowhere and be the most important thing is by far the dumbest thing he can do to the story. I doubt he will do that, but there is that chance Hinata will be there for the Sasuke battle and get involved somehow. And I know NH fans will just ooh and ahhh at it saying "Hinata really has been there the whole time."

If Kishimoto did that he would literally go against EVERY thing that part 1 and early part 2 stood for and not just in pairing wars either.

You know that will be a really painful blow to Obito if Kakashi tells him that Rin loved him all along and she realized the truth before it was too late. That what she had for Kakashi was just infatuation turning into obsession just like Sakura for Sasuke. If that's the case then that will make it official of Obito/Rin been another parallel of NS that will eventually be overcome as the saying of" the next generation surpassing the old."

Wouldn't that be great though? Not just from a huge blow or twist, but an actual story conflict that really makes this huge impact. It's like how Sasuke's redemption should have gone. He realizes this huge thing he never even realized and his whole logic and reality that he thought he knew shatters. It would even reflect Naruto's own decent and come to terms with his own denials.

That's how I would work it anyway.

I am reminded of Vash who spent a good portion of his life finding answers in Trigun and even snapped a few times. When he finally realizes the truth and lives with such reality then he can fight any battle. He is willing to accept any outcome. He didn't want to kill his brother, but then he also knew that only he could do it so he thinks "I'll try and whatever happens happens. If the worst should come to past then at least I have people back home waiting for me to return."