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[Strangelove]

anyway, this turning to good side from Sasuke wasn't something expceted in this story?

Yes...but so quickly? I mean that was one of the main vital plots of the manga, and it was for Naruto alone to do so.

This sudden chapter means that Kishi is just rushing to finish the story.

Edited by Strangelove, 10 April 2013 - 03:29 PM.

[Codus N]

This story has been ruined for me. The only thing that will make it better is if Sasuke follows his brother's path and sacrifices himself for the village, but even then, what happened to all of the foreshadowing of Naruto vs Sasuke? What about Naruto's efforts to redeem Sasuke himself? What about Orochimaru's reputation as the most evil and twisted villain in the series? What about Karin's decision to give up on Sasuke? What about everything that's happened so far in the series?

Kishimoto is so inconsistent, I can't stand it. Honestly, I think I'm going to drop this series. Nevermind NaruSaku. If Kishimoto can't even get the plot that he's been foreshadowing since the end of Part One right, then he's going to ruin everything else too, NaruSaku and Sakura included.

I bet he'll throw out all of the character development that she's had thus far and turn her back into a fangirl. Nevermind her "shining moment". I bet she's just going to stand there and watch like she did at the start of Part One. Then Kishimoto will have her chained to Sasuke's bed as his gift for becoming the 6th Hokage.

I'll just introduce you to this little-known fact.

The Buu saga was badly damaged by editorial interference (based on "what the fans want"), which destroyed a lot of its potential. I'm glad it exists (because I love the Gohan\Videl dynamic of that part of the series), but I wish it had been handled better.

It started out well enough, but I pretty much quit on the series after Videl and Gohan seperate after the World Tournament, because that's where things just went further and further downhill... and most of the problems, I gather, came from editorial insistance based on fan reaction (Spopovich is killed, but NOT by Gohan as he deserved; Vegeta becomes a villain again, but then overcomes his own villainy... for no apparent reason; Goku is beaten by Majin Vegeta, but then later reveals the whole Supersaiyan 3 thing, showing he really didn't have to lose to Vegeta after all; Gohan is beaten by Dabura for no apparent reason other than that he's forgotten how to fight, which might have been okay if it had been followed up properly (but of course it wasn't); I could go on) And all that BEFORE Gohan's training (which should have allowed him to end things instead of Goku, but of course "Hey, we want Goku to be the ultimate world savior!") and Goku's callous disregard for his own family in the final few episodes of the series (party? Nah. Oh, and I'm going to go off and train this guy for the next umpteen years for no apparent reason, abandoning my wife and children AGAIN, this time not for the somewhat valid (if inaccurate, because he was NOT the villain-attractor he seemed to think he was; most of these guys were pretty big villains before he ever hit the scene) excuse of doing so to save the world, but rather simply because the writers insisted that the series end with him still alive (so they could continue it, themselves)!

Yes, you heard me. This is going down exactly like the Buu arc in DBZ.

[Nefertieh]

anyway, this turning to good side from Sasuke wasn't something expceted in this story?

I think people were just expecting Naruto will give him a heartfelt talk amidst a big battle, and that he will be redeemed.

I did think that Kishimoto foreshadowed that Sasuke would reach another turning point in the manga after he read Suigetsu's scroll. He said that he wanted to find out the true meaning of ninja, and like the recent movie stated, a ninja is someone who endures. I didn't think he'd go all the way and decide to save the village, though.

[StriderC]

I think people were just expecting Naruto will give him a heartfelt talk amidst a big battle, and that he will be redeemed.

I did think that Kishimoto foreshadowed that Sasuke would reach another turning point in the manga after he read Suigetsu's scroll. He said that he wanted to find out the true meaning of ninja, and like the recent movie stated, a ninja is someone who endures. I didn't think he'd go all the way and decide to save the village, though.

LMAO It's crazy. Sasuke's a new man!

The only positive thing I can think of is Sakura will choose Naruto over the good Sasuke. The only pleasing thought I can think of, and I even have a scene in my head.

[Nate River]

Actually, one other thing of note is the definition of Shinobi. Was anyone else underwhelmed by that as I was? As if that description is somehow unique when applied to ninja's and that non-ninja's do ever do that? A meaningful distinction, it is not.

As to pairings:

I saw a couple of fretting about NS. I do not understand why. If it's about Sasuke being good, that's been telegraphed for a long time now and the whole flashback was sending the same message. Even if he had chose bad, he would have ended up good anyway. So this doesn't make any particular pairing more or less likely. At best it makes SK more likely because it takes away one it's obstacles away. Other than that, I don't see how it has any significance for NH/SS.

[Atheck]

I'll just introduce you to this little-known fact.



Yes, you heard me. This is going down exactly like the Buu arc in DBZ.

Despite the aversive nature of the Buu Saga and how it suddenly shifted gears from a heavy focus on Gohan's efforts as the possible protagonist to Goku close to the end of it at least it had the whole Vegeta/Goku character relations dynamic with them coming to terms with each other as a redeeming factor. The recent events in Naruto have no such consolations however.

Edited by Atheck, 10 April 2013 - 03:44 PM.

[Nefertieh]

The Buu saga was badly damaged by editorial interference (based on "what the fans want"), which destroyed a lot of its potential. I'm glad it exists (because I love the Gohan\Videl dynamic of that part of the series), but I wish it had been handled better.

It started out well enough, but I pretty much quit on the series after Videl and Gohan seperate after the World Tournament, because that's where things just went further and further downhill... and most of the problems, I gather, came from editorial insistance based on fan reaction (Spopovich is killed, but NOT by Gohan as he deserved; Vegeta becomes a villain again, but then overcomes his own villainy... for no apparent reason; Goku is beaten by Majin Vegeta, but then later reveals the whole Supersaiyan 3 thing, showing he really didn't have to lose to Vegeta after all; Gohan is beaten by Dabura for no apparent reason other than that he's forgotten how to fight, which might have been okay if it had been followed up properly (but of course it wasn't); I could go on) And all that BEFORE Gohan's training (which should have allowed him to end things instead of Goku, but of course "Hey, we want Goku to be the ultimate world savior!") and Goku's callous disregard for his own family in the final few episodes of the series (party? Nah. Oh, and I'm going to go off and train this guy for the next umpteen years for no apparent reason, abandoning my wife and children AGAIN, this time not for the somewhat valid (if inaccurate, because he was NOT the villain-attractor he seemed to think he was; most of these guys were pretty big villains before he ever hit the scene) excuse of doing so to save the world, but rather simply because the writers insisted that the series end with him still alive (so they could continue it, themselves)!

I'm a bit confused. The current chapter certainly isn't what fans want -- surely even Sasuke fans would be disappointed that Sasuke had a change of heart in just one chapter. Furthermore, we don't know if Naruto has a lot of editorial inference. =\

[HauntedCake]

How fangirling to an guy that nearly killed her with no mercy whatsoever can be called dignity? If you ask me, she lost all her dignity on this chapter.

Yep. Sasuke now changed and good again will now be Sakura ultimate test. Will she just fangirl again? or will this development with Naruto have changed her to grow out of the fangirling and make her go after true love (Naruto) instead?

This manga is now officially dropped. Are you meaning to tell me that this is all it took for Sasuke to become "good"? All Hashirama did was retell how the village was founded. I'm sorry but was any of that information new to Sasuke? And what "revelations" did Itachi give to Sasuke to change his mind?

The idea that Karin forgave him so quickly made me want to puke. Look, she's crazy, I get it. She's like the Harley Quinn to Sasuke's Joker, I get it. But come on!! He stabbed you in the heart and left you for dead!! And WTF is up with my man Orochimaru?! Now he's feeling bad for Kabuto?! What?! He's talking about he was wrong?! What?! He was my last hope. The last villain in a manga that is increasingly having less true villains.

Do you guys realize that if this goes on, Naruto will end with no real bad guys. Just a bunch of misunderstood or misguided people who found redemption and forgiveness no matter what evil they did? Ugh! I'm done. I'm sticking to reading/writing Naruto fan fics and reading other manga. I can't read this crap anymore.

Yep, Karin is now a ruined character. Such a shame.

Heres the problem, If Sakura acts differently around Sasuke and Sasuke notices that she isn't fangirl anymore and shes grown strong, will this make Sasuke attracted to her??

This story has been ruined for me.

I bet he'll throw out all of the character development that she's had thus far and turn her back into a fangirl. Nevermind her "shining moment". I bet she's just going to stand there and watch like she did at the start of Part One. Then Kishimoto will have her chained to Sasuke's bed as his gift for becoming the 6th Hokage.

Yeah most likely. I've lost all hope in him.

Bolded: And you ever doubted kishi's asspulling skills???? Grave mistake

Edited by HauntedCake, 10 April 2013 - 03:42 PM.

[kirabook]

In my case, I don't particularly care about NS right now (as in, it's not the focal point of my disappointment)

I'm starting to feel like I wasted years reading part 2 and all Sasuke needed was a history lesson? He's not redeemed per say, but not even a WEEK ago IN MANGA he declared he would destroy the leaf village and all its inhabitants because of what they did to his precious little clan (or rather, what most of the village DIDN'T do)

And yet again he has a huge drastic mood swing in the direction of doing something good for once in his life? Just the thought of Sasuke protecting anything other than himself is OOC. He wants to protect what Itachi wanted to protect all of the sudden? Why didn't you want to do that before? It makes no sense. Sasuke has more mood swings than I do in the middle of my period.

Just like with this pairing stuff, it's too wild. Kishi's story used to be normal waves crashing on the beach and now in seconds flat, it's erupted into tidal waves. It's way too close to end game to be switching up stuff like this. He said Naruto v Sasuke is going to happen. So now Kishi is going to switch Sasuke's attitude YET AGAIN right before he closes off the manga? :/

I just don't like it. The development is horrid. He's ruining the validity of everything that came before, just like when he throws in random NH moments that ruin the validity of everything NS before it. Sure, there will be a Naruto v Sasuke in the end and more than likely NS will be end game, but who can be satisfied with these sudden twists and turns before the end? They're TOO big.

[Nefertieh]

LMAO It's crazy. Sasuke's a new man!

The only positive thing I can think of is Sakura will choose Naruto over the good Sasuke. The only pleasing thought I can think of, and I even have a scene in my head.

I guess that would be great if NS does become canon. It will finally put an end to those people who say that Naruto is Sakura's rebound guy.

[AnaHatakechan]

I'm guessing that Kishimoto has either recently suffered from amnesia and has forgotten about the development for Sasuke and possible NaruSaku.
Or...he's pulling a Stephenie Meyer and is trying to please ALL the readers and he certainly isn't doing a very good job of it.
Either way I'm loosing interest in this series and I'm completely confused by what is actually happening. As of now I have a feeling that NH and SS is looking very possible. That or he's trolling the fans.
But I'm also seeing Sasuke going to the battlefield will be a way of Sakura getting over him. Which isn't a very good idea

[kirabook]

Also, my current fretting has nothing to do with Sakura turning to Sasuke even after he's turned good. Later in the story closer to the end, many people expected Sakura would have the chance to choose between the two when neither of them are going off the deep end. This just represents an opportunity for Sakura to choose Naruto for real and no one can claim Naruto was just second best. He would be her first choice. Added onto that, Sasuke still has not shown any interest in Sakura (or Karin) romantically.

It has more to do with the change in plot in general.

[StriderC]

In my case, I don't particularly care about NS right now (as in, it's not the focal point of my disappointment)

I'm starting to feel like I wasted years reading part 2 and all Sasuke needed was a history lesson? He's not redeemed per say, but not even a WEEK ago IN MANGA he declared he would destroy the leaf village and all its inhabitants because of what they did to his precious little clan (or rather, what most of the village DIDN'T do)

And yet again he has a huge drastic mood swing in the direction of doing something good for once in his life? Just the thought of Sasuke protecting anything other than himself is OOC. He wants to protect what Itachi wanted to protect all of the sudden? Why didn't you want to do that before? It makes no sense. Sasuke has more mood swings than I do in the middle of my period.

Just like with this pairing stuff, it's too wild. Kishi's story used to be normal waves crashing on the beach and now in seconds flat, it's erupted into tidal waves. It's way too close to end game to be switching up stuff like this. He said Naruto v Sasuke is going to happen. So now Kishi is going to switch Sasuke's attitude YET AGAIN right before he closes off the manga? :/

I just don't like it. The development is horrid. He's ruining the validity of everything that came before, just like when he throws in random NH moments that ruin the validity of everything NS before it. Sure, there will be a Naruto v Sasuke in the end and more than likely NS will be end game, but who can be satisfied with these sudden twists and turns before the end? They're TOO big.

This. What should be gradual for some things isn't gradual at all. It's abrupt. His transition to wanting to protect the village, and all of that. I'd like it more if he said, "Let me think on it", and has a gradual progression to wanting to protect but all of this in one chapter is just too much.

[merryGOflava]

sasuke? your ACTUALLY gonna save the village 0_o now that was a twist.

and karin >:U couldn't you have at least slapped him!!!?


...............if sasuke steals sakura's thunder.....(which he probably will) I'm gonna cry T^T

[T XD]

Okay...

I liked this chapter. Plus, I want to say: SERIOUSLY, GUYS. THE MANGA IS MOVING FAST NOW TO GO BACK TO THE BATTLEFIELD. IT'S A CHAPTER OF GETTING READY TO GO BACK TO THE BATTLE AND KICKING THE ASSES OF MADARA AND OBITO. ISN'T IT OBVIOUS ?

No offense XD

I agree that Sasuke's decision was rushed, but like I said, it moved fast to get back to the battle and took the half of the chapter. Then what happened is Kages getting out to battle and all met Karin again ( I'll talk about her after this ), and all getting ready to give a big intro in the Alliance battle.
Kages getting ready and Karin getting back won't have a chapter each.

Karin's reaction was something I didn't hope that she would react that way. Well, obviously, she'll always be with Sasuke in that way and seems that Kishi doesn't want to change this characteristic in her. But, what surprised me is that Sasuke apologized to her. Plus, the reaction from Sasuke when she was snuggling... Lol XD. He has never made such a face when a girl flirts with him XD
SK's chance has gone up a bit, but its chance can increase if Karin decreases the way she flirts with him, like the way she did in this chapter. But, we still need to see more from Sasuke if his care was just as a friend or more.

As for Sasuke's decision, I think that on the battlefield, he'll declare something. For Naruto vs Sasuke battle, something needs to be triggered in order for them to fight. Sasuke attacking the village was one of the reasons to fight Naruto, along Sasuke wanting to finish Naruto first before making revenge on the village.

And how the hell does this chapter have to do anything with NS ??? 0_o
I know about the asspulls, but it doesn't mean that taking it directly on NS. Asspulls are everywhere in a manga, but it doesn't affect a pairing if its already well established.

I understand some of the reactions here, but this chapter was meant to be rushed in that way. Just see the next chapters. Probably, the rushing from this chapter will be no longer. Not to mention, things on the battlefield will be more interesting in many different ways XD

Edited by T XD, 10 April 2013 - 03:53 PM.

[Codus N]

I'm a bit confused. The current chapter certainly isn't what fans want -- surely even Sasuke fans would be disappointed that Sasuke had a change of heart in just one chapter. Furthermore, we don't know if Naruto has a lot of editorial inference. =\

What the Japanese fans want. Not the west or any other continent for that matter. And this is why I have been extremely suspicious since 615.

[kidNinja]

So...is the manga called Sasuke Shippuden now?




What did I just read? I mean seriously?

[Don-kun]

I'm really surprise after reading all these post, the moment Itachi met with Sasuke and his sudden change it was obvious that Sasuke would change his mind about Konoha, sadly no one was listening and now it hit them hard.
I said in the past it would be silly for Sasuke to heard the truth about the Uchiha from his brother and still wanted revenge on the village, later on I said that Sasuke gating all the knowledge from the Kages kind of minimize the chance of a final face off against Naruto if he was a misguided person and Naruto was the one with the knowledge then it would make a lot of sense to have a Sasuke vs Naruto face off, I heaving mention that at this pace Naruto vs Sasuke will be a copy of Goku vs Krillin last friendly fight and if they do fight for real after Sasuke knowledge then Sasuke might die since there was no more excuse for him to keep being evil.

Now everyone is doubting NS because the refuse to consider the hint of Sasuke perhaps not being redeemed by Naruto.
Naruto saving Sasuke was what the story was leading to, but Sasuke saving himself makes 10 times more sense, after all I can guide you but only you can made the choice to follow me or not.

One more note, if NS is meant to happen then this will make it 10 times more enjoyable because Sakura will choose Naruto over a good Sasuke, because Kishi would show us how he could changed two major fan girls and made them grow up to become two respectable and admirable women. I might believe that the story is losing his quality but I'm not surprise with these turn of event since it was hinted and most of us just chooses to ignore them mostly because we wanted to believe that the Sasuke vs Naruto was inevitable.

Sasuke evil vs good Naruto might still happen but is better to be open minded about it to avoid further disappointments.

Edited by Don-kun, 10 April 2013 - 03:54 PM.

[StriderC]

I'm guessing that Kishimoto has either recently suffered from amnesia and has forgotten about the development for Sasuke and possible NaruSaku.
Or...he's pulling a Stephenie Meyer and is trying to please ALL the readers and he certainly isn't doing a very good job of it.
Either way I'm loosing interest in this series and I'm completely confused by what is actually happening. As of now I have a feeling that NH and SS is looking very possible. That or he's trolling the fans.
But I'm also seeing Sasuke going to the battlefield will be a way of Sakura getting over him. Which isn't a very good idea

LOL If he want to please everyone, he'd be better off leaving couples out of it and just hinting most likely.

Nefertieh

Exactly. That's the only good I can see of this at the moment. I hope the hokages don't steal the show, and it's about time Orochimaru dies. Hopefully they aim for him to kill the jutsu.

[Nefertieh]

Actually, one other thing of note is the definition of Shinobi. Was anyone else underwhelmed by that as I was? As if that description is somehow unique when applied to ninja's and that non-ninja's do ever do that? A meaningful distinction, it is not.

I think the point is that anybody can endure, but not anybody can be a ninja. "Ninja" in this instance is a title, you can't use it to describe anybody who's had to endure something trivial. I guess in a way it is a badge of honor, which ofcourse is contradicts Sasuke's self-proclaimed title as an "avenger."