271 replies to this topic

[Canadian_DJ]

Hanabi as the Hyuga leader?     Come on now, if Hinata's not getting with Naruto, the least she that should be done with her is giving her a high possession, The Leader of Konoha's Strongest clan. That'd definitely show her Growth and Maturity, and it would make her "equal" with Naruto, which is something she's always wanted, since both of them would be leaders of a powerful group of people. Besides, If I remember correctly, I believe Hanabi being given the role was Filler, In fact I'm sure of it. Hiashi merely decided to focus on Hanabi more, rather than Hinata, but to me, it seems he's started to accept hinta more, since it's kinda implied at the end of part 1. Anyways, I doubt someone more minor than TENTEN would steal the possession of a secondary character like Hinata. I just don't see it happening, Hanabi is waaay too underdeveloped [We don't even know her PERSONALITY and she doesn't even appear in the ANIME FILLERS], besides, Hinata is fighting in a war, Hanabi is not..... that should tell us something, no?    
 
Hiashi was impressed with Hinata when she helped Ino stop the Juubidama & The Juubi's arm, so I think he's acknowledging her power, so all we need now is for Hiashi to see Hinata's 64 palms + lion fists combo, and he'll have Hinata set to be as the Clan leader
she seems more confident if you ask me, with the way she slapped Naruto, her role model, and went on to lift his spirit even though she'd just been crying over Neji's death, yet when she saw Naruto was gonna lose it, she had to pull herself together and straighten Naruto up. And then there's the fact that Hiashi stated to Hizashi that Hinata and Neji were fighting side by side and we see a panel of Hinata and Neji defending each other's backs, with Hinata saving neji from a Zetsu, and then asking if he's ok. And then in 633, where she ruthlessly attacks a Juubi clone; Sure it's not something impressive, but it is something impressive for her to do.
 
I have read the manga and here is What I saw

 
Neji and Lee's development as characters ended in part 1. Really, we haven't seen kitten from them in part 2. The biggest thing they did was Dying [Neji] and kicking Madara in half [Lee]. They haven't had CHARACTER Development. Hinata's character HAS been getting developed.
 
There was a Confession from Hinata to Naruto, and She told him that she Loves him.  So she does love him, and it's NOT mere admiration..... The confession needs to be rejected or at least hinted at being so. 
 
I don't see what's so hard to understand. Kishimoto shows us the Lion fists twice, yet doesn't show their function, most likely to build suspense; He then hints at Hinata combining this unknown attack with her new 64 palms attack. She is gonna use it, on who, however, I don't really now.
 
I'm pretty sure it's clear to anyone that she's still clinging on to Naruto, considering, in 633, where you claim her character is done, she remembers 615's hand holding scene, which shows she still hasn't gotten Naruto out of her mind, so no, her problems with Naruto AREN'T done.

Im sorry but everything you've said in your post is mere speculation and out of desperation, it doesnt make sense. You'll come to know when the manga progresses. Hinata isnt going to become the hyuga clan leader, she isnt going to do anything. Shes done. I have no interest in continuing this debate with you since your a hinata fan, and as all western hinata fans you have that illogical sense of drive in you thats pointless. I've already stated the facts. You havent, your just speculating, and you clearly dont understand the concept of the manga properly and who are the important side characters and not. And speculation has been something you guys have been doing for a long time and hasnt brought anything out of it. I respect your opinion but im not gonna waste my time and effort.

Ps. About the manga panels. If you read the manga properly, you'd know that there is a continuation. As I've said your wrong in everything you've said and you dont get your facts right, I already told you that hinata was shown there with her speech bubble full of explanation marks so you dont need to show me something I already know. This is what I was talking about:

http://www.mangapand...m/naruto/631/12

http://www.mangapand...m/naruto/631/14

No hinata.

Edited by Canadian_DJ, 06 August 2013 - 07:49 PM.

[Slextrem]

Let's not attack each other for having different opinions, guys...

 

I think it's likely that Hinata will become the next head of the Hyuga clan. She is the heiress after all, and her skills have been developing quite a bit. Her dad seems to acknowledge her as well, so I don't see why she would be denied her birth right...

 

I believe all of the K12 that belong to prestigious clans will end up becoming the heads of those clans in the future. Shikamaru and Ino are likely to take over their fathers' positions as soon as the war ends, and I'm sure Chouji, Kiba, Shino, and Hinata will do the same in the near future.

 

Whether that means they'll get extra development before the manga ends, I'm not sure. Personally, I would like to see an epilogue showing their accomplishments. 

 

Including Hinata.

Edited by Slextrem, 06 August 2013 - 07:56 PM.

[TouKen4Life3g]

Let's not attack each other for having different opinions, guys...
 
I think it's likely that Hinata will become the next head of the Hyuga clan. She is the heiress after all, and her skills have been developing quite a bit. Her dad seems to acknowledge her as well, so I don't see why she would be denied her birth right...
 
I believe all of the K12 that belong to prestigious clans will end up becoming the heads of those clans in the future. Shikamaru and Ino are likely to take over their fathers' positions as soon as the war ends, and I'm sure Chouji, Kiba, Shino, and Hinata will do the same in the near future.
 
Whether that means they'll get extra development before the manga ends, I'm not sure. Personally, I would like to see an epilogue showing their accomplishments. 
 
Including Hinata.

This.

Just don't need love to make it work. Heck, these characters may not end up with anyone for all we know. They either do or not. They won't get the main focus, that's all I can say for sure. Fans/audience only cares for main characters. Why else we always wait for their moment to happen? It works in many media. Anyway, people should be happy to get their favorite character something out of it. Isn't that enough?

[Canadian_DJ]

Let's not attack each other for having different opinions, guys...
 
I think it's likely that Hinata will become the next head of the Hyuga clan. She is the heiress after all, and her skills have been developing quite a bit. Her dad seems to acknowledge her as well, so I don't see why she would be denied her birth right...
 
I believe all of the K12 that belong to prestigious clans will end up becoming thq heads of those clans in the future. Shikamaru and Ino are likely to take over their fathers' positions as soon as the war ends, and I'm sure Chouji, Kiba, Shino, and Hinata will do the same in the near future.
 
Whether that means they'll get extra development before the manga ends, I'm not sure. Personally, I would like to see an epilogue showing their accomplishments. 
 
Including Hinata.

Im not attacking anyone. I just simply said im done debating since the debator obviously doesnt wanna accept facts

You see, its different with hinata. Kishimoto has never mentioned that she has the birthright, or that she wants to become the head of the clan. Ino shika cho are already the new generation of their parents. But theres never been mentioned that the nara, akimichi and ysmanaka clan need leaders like the hyuga clan. Hanabi has been the one training by hiashi to become the heiress. Unless hiashi changes his mind, which is not gonna happen since a girl with no leader qualities and only just mastered 64 palms which is a beginner techinque and kishi isnt even bothering with her technique the lion fist, which is not leader material. Hanabi has been the one to become the heiress not hinata. I dunno why people are digging things up for hinata that has never been touched in the manga and isnt even psrt of the characters goals.

Edited by Canadian_DJ, 06 August 2013 - 08:04 PM.

[Hyuga Sage]

Im not attacking anyone. I just simply said im done debating since the debator obviously doesnt wanna accept facts

You see, its different with hinata. Kishimoto has never mentioned that she has the birthright, or that she wants to become the head of the clan. Ino shika cho are already the new generation of their parents. But theres never been mentioned that the nara, akimichi and ysmanaka clan need leaders like the hyuga clan. Hanabi has been the one training by hiashi to become the heiress. Unless hiashi changes his mind, which is not gonna happen since a girl with no leader qualities and only just mastered 64 palms which is a beginner techinque and kishi isnt even bothering with her technique the lion fist, which is not leader material. Hanabi has been the one to become the heiress not hinata. I dunno why people are digging things up for hinata that has never been touched in the manga and isnt even psrt of the characters goals.

 

@ bolded 

 

 

@ blue: No, it's not. It's a jutsu passed down to the Heir of the clan, but Neji was able to teach it to himself. Speaking of which; Neji taught the attcak to Hinata, so what could that mean?......She's the Heiress, deal with it.

@ Red: He showed it twice yet didn't show it's ability; he hinted at Hinata using it in conjunction with the 64 palms; As much as you don't want it to happen, it will; Hinata will show up agian and  she will use that attack

@Yellow: Filler is filler; no such thing was stated in canon

Edited by Hyuga Sage, 06 August 2013 - 08:34 PM.

[sushi.]

Did Hanabi really train with Hiashi to become the heiress? I don't remember.

 

I think Hinata is the heiress, because she even has her own personal bodyguard. :3 The heiress must be protected, you know? ^^

 

All clans in Konoha has a head, I just checked. I believe all the rookies will take over for their parents. The only successors that has been regularly brought up is Ino-Shika-Cho, but Kiba, Shino and Hinata will all be heads of their clans in the future. Why would Hinata be an exception? Is she the only one?

Im not attacking anyone. I just simply said im done debating since the debator obviously doesnt wanna accept facts

Oh yes you are.

I have no interest in continuing this debate with you since your a hinata fan, and as all western hinata fans you have that illogical sense of drive in you thats pointless.

Let's be nice to one another and remember that this is all a matter of opinion.

[Hyuga Sage]

Im sorry but everything you've said in your post is mere speculation and out of desperation, it doesnt make sense. You'll come to know when the manga progresses. Hinata isnt going to become the hyuga clan leader, she isnt going to do anything. Shes done. I have no interest in continuing this debate with you since your a hinata fan, and as all western hinata fans you have that illogical sense of drive in you thats pointless. I've already stated the facts. You havent, your just speculating, and you clearly dont understand the concept of the manga properly and who are the important side characters and not. And speculation has been something you guys have been doing for a long time and hasnt brought anything out of it. I respect your opinion but im not gonna waste my time and effort.

Ps. About the manga panels. If you read the manga properly, you'd know that there is a continuation. As I've said your wrong in everything you've said and you dont get your facts right, I already told you that hinata was shown there with her speech bubble full of explanation marks so you dont need to show me something I already know. This is what I was talking about:

 

@ bolded:

 

How is it speculation to Say Hinata is the Heir when it's already been stated in chapter 101?

How is it speculation to say she's the Heir when Neji taught her the 64 palms, a heir-exclusive Jutsu?

How is it speculation to say she's the Heir when the title was never taken from her in canon?

How is it speculation to say she's the Heir when she even has her OWN bodyguard?

How is it speculation to say she's the Heir when Hanabi has never been developed AT all EVEN in fillers?

How is it speculation to say she's the heir when Kishimoto has been showing her improve before her Father's eyes?

how is it speculation to say she's the heir when Hanabi isn't even in the DAMN WAR?!

 

It's not. I'm pretty sure I understand the Hyuga better than yourself.

[Canadian_DJ]

@ bolded 


 
 
@ blue: No, it's not. It's a jutsu passed down to the Heir of the clan, but Neji was able to teach it to himself. Speaking of which; Neji taught the attcak to Hinata, so what could that mean?......She's the Heiress, deal with it.
@ Red: He showed it twice yet didn't show it's ability; he hinted at Hinata using it in conjunction with the 64 palms; As much as you don't want it to happen, it will; Hinata will show up agian and  she will use that attack
@Yellow: Filler is filler; no such thing was stated in canon

Dude, you dont mske sense. They didnt mention anything about the 64 palm. The rotation is ehst neji taught himself not 64 palms. Hinats and hanabi are both equal in the title heiress. But hanabi was chosen over hinata.

Neji tsught her the 64 palm, which isnt something that was passed down. The rotation was. Get your facts straight. He taught her the 64 palms which isnt leader material, thsts just something you have to deal with.

He showed it twice yes, but the first time she got force pushed into the floor. The second time kishimoto didnt even bother sdding another panel. She stands no chsnce against jubito or anyone else. Shes not the heroine, deal with it. Your expectations will be in vain. Hinata wknt be doing anything. Open your eyes, must it be a slap in the face? You know what I dont care. Youll see when the manga progresses.

When hanabi was training under her father in the manga and hinats got kicked out and hiashi told hanabi to stand up thst wasnt filler. It was manga material. For the thousand time: get your facts right. Im well aware of fillers, and I dknt even know what your tslking sbout since I dropped the anime.

I already told you to stop reading my posts if their too much for you. Enough. Theres no point in debating if your gonna keep speculating. Tjats not what a debate is. Not in my book.

Hinata is rhe heiress, I didnt deny that. But it has never been pointed out in the mangs tjst hinats is gking to become the hesd of the clan.

If kishimoto can somehow change that then ok. But as things are now. Nope.

Ps sorry for the typos jm on my phone.

Edited by Canadian_DJ, 06 August 2013 - 08:50 PM.

[Sojobo]

To me, Hinata will become leader of Hyuuga Clan. Neji's death, Haishi's words and Hinata's maturity foreshadow it.

This is what will happen, and it doesn't matter NaruSaku or not.

 

Her love for Naruto wasn't meant for her to live her life with him, it was meant to make her grow up.

And this is what happened today. You can even see she has some leadership in this war.

 

PS

 

Enjoy the beautiful NaruSaku vid 

http://www.youtube.c...h?v=cuB4_PQNr2g

Edited by Sojobo, 06 August 2013 - 08:55 PM.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

Did Hanabi really train with Hiashi to become the heiress? I don't remember.

 

I think Hinata is the heiress, because she even has her own personal bodyguard. :3 The heiress must be protected, you know? ^^

 

All clans in Konoha has a head, I just checked. I believe all the rookies will take over for their parents. The only successors that has been regularly brought up is Ino-Shika-Cho, but Kiba, Shino and Hinata will all be heads of their clans in the future. Why would Hinata be an exception? Is she the only one?

Oh yes you are.

Let's be nice to one another and remember that this is all a matter of opinion.

She's not attacking anyone man, i think people needs to know the difference between a debate than attack, he didnt disgress any of Hyuga Sage comments just because she/he is a Hinata fan, doesnt make sense to simply come out from nowhere and say she's attacking, i didnt see any aggressive or attack comments from Canadian_DJ.

My thoughts about Hinata is that she will become the head of her clan, but not by development, the development to became the head of her clan was destroyed completely, she will due to  character concept stuff, the same way i believe that Naruto would end with Sakura on part 1 despite disliking it, Sakura didnt deserved Naruto's love on part 1 and yet we knew it was a high chance due to character  concept stuff.

 

Second Hinata never stated a dream of herself, she never said she wanted to be the head of her clan, because all her development is something related to Naruto, she become stronger but not wanting to do something for her clan or wanting to change it, it was all about Naruto, but she wont end up with Naruto, she will be the head, because Naruto give the development for her to be strong, she can be make the head of her clan on one or even two panels, Kishimoto never gave development for her to be the head but he can make her without giving any development towards it.

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 06 August 2013 - 08:59 PM.

[TouKen4Life3g]

Well so long we aren't arguing about pairing in here, I'm fine, I already said what I need to say, so I'm good from here until further notice. Bottom line for me, a decent character, nothing more, nothing less.

[Canadian_DJ]

@ bolded:
 
How is it speculation to Say Hinata is the Heir when it's already been stated in chapter 101?
How is it speculation to say she's the Heir when Neji taught her the 64 palms, a heir-exclusive Jutsu?
How is it speculation to say she's the Heir when the title was never taken from her in canon?
How is it speculation to say she's the Heir when she even has her OWN bodyguard?
How is it speculation to say she's the Heir when Hanabi has never been developed AT all EVEN in fillers?
How is it speculation to say she's the heir when Kishimoto has been showing her improve before her Father's eyes?
how is it speculation to say she's the heir when Hanabi isn't even in the DAMN WAR?!
 
It's not. I'm pretty sure I understand the Hyuga better than yourself.

Did I deny shes the heir? No I said hiashi didnt want to train her instead he chose hanabi.
When was it ever said in the mangs that 64 palms is onlt for heirs? Neji taught her on his own will. Not becsuse hes forced to or her servant. He only taught her since her father left her.
The title wasnt taken from her but her but her father didnt want to train her, instead hanabi.
So what if she has ao as a body gaurd? That argument is invalid.
I never said it was speculation that improving in her fathers eyes.
What does the fillers have tk do with snything? I said hanabi has been trsining under her father. It mangs msterial.
Hanabi not appearing in the war doesnt erase al her training under her fsther to become the hesd of the clan.

Did Hanabi really train with Hiashi to become the heiress? I don't remember.
 
I think Hinata is the heiress, because she even has her own personal bodyguard. :3 The heiress must be protected, you know? ^^
 
All clans in Konoha has a head, I just checked. I believe all the rookies will take over for their parents. The only successors that has been regularly brought up is Ino-Shika-Cho, but Kiba, Shino and Hinata will all be heads of their clans in the future. Why would Hinata be an exception? Is she the only one?

Oh yes you are.

Let's be nice to one another and remember that this is all a matter of opinion.

Yes It has been said in the lain arc that hiashi and hanabi were off training. Ao was with hinata since her father was gone. If he really is her body gaurd then why isnt he with her on missions and in the war? Because hes not her all time bodygaurd or something.

You see, ino shika cho were shown to become the new trio of this generstion. But hinata wasnt. Why is this so hard to deal with? Shes not gonna become the head of the clsn.

And no, I didnt attack anyone. Hyuva sage is insisting on csrrying this on. I simply said im done debsting.

I have to go now man.

Edited by Canadian_DJ, 06 August 2013 - 09:08 PM.

[Psychox]

Enjoy the beautiful NaruSaku vid 

http://www.youtube.c...h?v=cuB4_PQNr2g

 

 

Why is it backwards i mean with right to left screen ??

 

Anyways THEM FEELZ!

 

[sushi.]

Hyuva sage is insisting on csrrying this on. I simply said im done debsting.

Yet you don't stop posting.

 

I'll just agree to disagree. *waves white flag*

[Psychox]

Oh yes you are.

Let's be nice to one another and remember that this is all a matter of opinion.

 

O_O , Didn't see her attacking him/her .

 

Anyways, I've shared my thoughts on Hinata already , she may have a closure , but i said it doesn't affect the main plot so its nor important , maybe 3-4 panels at the end of the manga .. She may became heiress maybe not its a speculation , that is what i think.

[Sojobo]

 

 

Why is it backwards i mean with right to left screen ??

 

Anyways THEM FEELZ!

 

Don't know, but man, NaruSaku combined with Titanic soundtracks is really beautiful.

I really don't know why a lot of people are more touched by NH. NS have all emotions possible.

When you talk about NS, you talk about hapiness, sadness, pain, trahison, lies, compassion, friendship, trust...

 

Kishimoto did really great for me, and I'm sure that we're not seeing the best part yet.

Can't wait, damn Kishi, please!!

[Psychox]

Don't know, but man, NaruSaku combined with Titanic soundtracks is really beautiful.

I really don't know why a lot of people are more touched by NH. NS have all emotions possible.

When you talk about NS, you talk about hapiness, sadness, pain, trahison, lies, compassion, friendship, trust...

 

Kishimoto did really great for me, and I'm sure that we're not seeing the best part yet.

Can't wait, damn Kishi, please!!

People dislike Sakura that's why , so they fail to see the awesomeness of the OTP...

 

Anyways here is something from me too ^^...

 

and this

 

 

I CANT I JUST CANT!!!!!

 

[Sojobo]

People dislike Sakura that's why , so they fail to see the awesomeness of the OTP...

 

Anyways here is something from me too ^^...

 

and this

 

 

I CANT I JUST CANT!!!!!

 

I already saw the comatose one \o/

Heh... just finished Hiatari Ryouko, and damn... another pairing who looks a lot like NaruSaku :

Kasumi and Sakura are so identical xD

 

I really can't stop loving this kind of character. A lot of people says Sakura is a tsundere type. True, but also false.

I mean, you can't compare her with a real tsundere like Louise of Zero No Tsukaima or even Shana from Shakugan No Shana.

 

Really hope tomorrow we have a big NS moment, or even a hint about Sakura's feeling for Naruto. ^__^

Edited by Sojobo, 06 August 2013 - 09:35 PM.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

Did I deny shes the heir? No I said hiashi didnt want to train her instead he chose hanabi.
When was it ever said in the mangs that 64 palms is onlt for heirs? Neji taught her on his own will. Not becsuse hes forced to or her servant. He only taught her since her father left her.
The title wasnt taken from her but her but her father didnt want to train her, instead hanabi.
So what if she has ao as a body gaurd? That argument is invalid.
I never said it was speculation that improving in her fathers eyes.
What does the fillers have tk do with snything? I said hanabi has been trsining under her father. It mangs msterial.
Hanabi not appearing in the war doesnt erase al her training under her fsther to become the hesd of the clan. Yes It has been said in the lain arc that hiashi and hanabi were off training. Ao was with hinata since her father was gone. If he really is her body gaurd then why isnt he with her on missions and in the war? Because hes not her all time bodygaurd or something.

You see, ino shika cho were shown to become the new trio of this generstion. But hinata wasnt. Why is this so hard to deal with? Shes not gonna become the head of the clsn.

And no, I didnt attack anyone. Hyuva sage is insisting on csrrying this on. I simply said im done debsting.

I have to go now man.

BUt yet Hiashi acknowledged Hinata and Neji on an chapter that i dont remember the number he even said that both Neji and Hinata are fighting there, Hinata's father does acknowledge her.

You made a very good point thoughout.

Let's pick up Pain's arc, she gives bandage and first medic treatment to one of the Hyuuga clan members she says that it's her duty to take care of them because she's the heir but yet, she didnt went to gather everyone she went up to sacrifice herself for Naruto.

On the war, it's show Neji and later Ao leading the clan but where's Hinata, Hinata did show some glimpses of  leadership skills but she never showed those when it comes to her clan(she wavered in front of the bijuu dama while Sakur don't), she's always absent, there was the part when they said "they hyuuga are the strongest of konoha" but wasnt Hinata who were leading them, she was there behind Neji.

She doesnt have development to be the head of her clan but she will be the head of her clan.

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 06 August 2013 - 09:37 PM.

[Psychox]

I already saw the comatose one \o/

Heh... just finished Hiatari Ryouko, and damn... another pairing who looks a lot like NaruSaku :

Kasumi and Sakura are so identical xD

 

I really can't stop loving this kind of character. A lot of people says Sakura is a tsundere type. True, but also false.

I mean, you can't compare her with a real tsundere like Louise of Zero No Tsukaima or even Shana from Shakugan No Shana.

 

Really hope tomorrow we have a big NS moment, or even a hint about Sakura's feeling for Naruto. ^__^

 

YEP! Cant wait too .

 

Mmm, yeah she shows her kind and compassionate side more than her tsundereness ( not even a word ) .