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[Qia]

I don't know where SK stands now. But, this chapter really doesn't say anything precise about SK like in this pic. From what is being said by Tobirama, their eyes can evolve after someone dear, as it does include in a cherished way or cared for, to them dies or is hurt. So, it doesn't mean that that someone is loved romantically by the Uchiha person.

I will wait for when Karin is reunited with Sasuke and stuff, then we'll see what happens throughout the time XD

That's what I'm mostly looking forward to. It's just peculiar how they have similar facial expressions, and that it took the loss of Obito's loved one for him to enter into true darkness. But, as you said, it may not mean anything romantically in Sasuke's case (it's just...eye catching. The similarities between those two pictures). Plus someone made an interesting note about SK Here.

It really is amazing how he was able to do something that was almost impossible before. All of that to save one person. . I can't help but be happy about this, okay? xD

Edited by Qia, 05 February 2013 - 09:51 PM.

[James S Cassidy]

I feel some... prejudice over that first part. Whether not they are "whiny babies" is up for interpretation, So I can't agree with that. But it is true that facing reality is not their strong point.

And that's how people get in trouble and fights start. Automatically assuming some prejudice or biased on some level makes it really hard to give an honest opinion without someone accusing you of something that isn't.

Shall I put this in a better way?

We have known 4 major Uchiha in this manga. Madara, Obito, Itachi, and Sasuke.

The 2nd says that the the Uchiha love was greater than the Senju. This is hard to believe because how can one love be greater than another? How can a brotherly love in the Uchiha clan be more powerful than another other love in the world. Love is Love. There is no numerical value to it. What really is greater in the Uchiha is there fear, not love. The fear of losing everything they care about, but after so many years don't you think they should have accepted that life happens in such a way? That's what's weird bout this world. The biggest problem is not pain, but the inability to accept it. The inability to accept that bad things happen.

That's why I call them whiny. They can't accept lose at all or at least according to the second. Not only that, but most of the clan supposedly couldn't accept this? Is that right?

This chapter basically says that "Uchiha are emo." We used to joke about it, but this chapter literally says "The Uchiha are an emo clan." They are hyper sensitive to emotions especially negative ones? It's not even an individual basis, but rather an almost "genetic" reason why the Uchiha are the way they are. Does this excuse all the actions all the bad Uchiha have done? And how does this explain all the good ones and why they didn't turn?

I mean, can't this really happen to anyone? Can't anyone become evil from lose? Naruto struggled with his own hatred and pain. Along with Nagato. This even says to me "Well, it just seems like the Uchiha gave up too easily."

I don't know, something doesn't seem right about this. Perhaps it is a translation error or something in one of the sentences.

And here is another kicker, some claim this supports the pairing wars or something, but if anything this goes against it. If Love is such a weakness to an Uchiha then Sasuke shouldn't love at all for fear of becoming a tyrant. Unless Sasuke wants that power anyway, but then he would have to love someone, but so far he has not, yet still gains powers all because he has love for his brother which is apparently stronger than the love of a lover.

It's a circular logic. Love brings them lose which the Uchiha can't accept, but instead of learning to accept lose they just deny love? That seems counter intuitive.

It makes sense, don't get me wrong, I understand it quite well. What I don't understand is if this was known all this time, why not do something about it? Give them therapy or something. Drugs maybe? Some anti-depressants or something could work. There has to have been something, but all anyone ever did was try to cover up the problem rather than trying to solve it.

This really is almost like word for word Star Wars with literally Sasuke being Anakin Skywalker who became so afraid of lose that the fear itself brought misery and caused the problems. Some people say that was seen all along throughout the manga. While yes it has, but in truth everyone goes through what the Uchiha do. The difference being that the Senju have accepted lose and the world itself.

It's weird that the Uchiha have gone for generations fearing lose even though lose is apart of life. It is a fundamental. With love there is hatred, with gain there is lose. Again, life is balance. To deny it is to deny life itself.

But whatever works, works I guess.

Next thing you know, the Uzumaki clan are said to be the same way with the exception that their powers only get stronger the more love they have and never weaken with the pain of lose due to some chakra levels in the brain.

It's funny, it's almost as if the more love the Uchiha have the weaker they are. The pain of not having it makes them stronger.

[shadow_Uzumaki]

And that's how people get in trouble and fights start. Automatically assuming some prejudice or biased on some level makes it really hard to give an honest opinion without someone accusing you of something that isn't.

Shall I put this in a better way?

We have known 4 major Uchiha in this manga. Madara, Obito, Itachi, and Sasuke.

The 2nd says that the the Uchiha love was greater than the Senju. This is hard to believe because how can one love be greater than another? How can a brotherly love in the Uchiha clan be more powerful than another other love in the world. Love is Love. There is no numerical value to it. What really is greater in the Uchiha is there fear, not love. The fear of losing everything they care about, but after so many years don't you think they should have accepted that life happens in such a way? That's what's weird bout this world. The biggest problem is not pain, but the inability to accept it. The inability to accept that bad things happen.

That's why I call them whiny. They can't accept lose at all or at least according to the second. Not only that, but most of the clan supposedly couldn't accept this? Is that right?

This chapter basically says that "Uchiha are emo." We used to joke about it, but this chapter literally says "The Uchiha are an emo clan." They are hyper sensitive to emotions especially negative ones? It's not even an individual basis, but rather an almost "genetic" reason why the Uchiha are the way they are. Does this excuse all the actions all the bad Uchiha have done? And how does this explain all the good ones and why they didn't turn?

I mean, can't this really happen to anyone? Can't anyone become evil from lose? Naruto struggled with his own hatred and pain. Along with Nagato. This even says to me "Well, it just seems like the Uchiha gave up too easily."

I don't know, something doesn't seem right about this. Perhaps it is a translation error or something in one of the sentences.

And here is another kicker, some claim this supports the pairing wars or something, but if anything this goes against it. If Love is such a weakness to an Uchiha then Sasuke shouldn't love at all for fear of becoming a tyrant. Unless Sasuke wants that power anyway, but then he would have to love someone, but so far he has not, yet still gains powers all because he has love for his brother which is apparently stronger than the love of a lover.

It's a circular logic. Love brings them lose which the Uchiha can't accept, but instead of learning to accept lose they just deny love? That seems counter intuitive.

It makes sense, don't get me wrong, I understand it quite well. What I don't understand is if this was known all this time, why not do something about it? Give them therapy or something. Drugs maybe? Some anti-depressants or something could work. There has to have been something, but all anyone ever did was try to cover up the problem rather than trying to solve it.

This really is almost like word for word Star Wars with literally Sasuke being Anakin Skywalker who became so afraid of lose that the fear itself brought misery and caused the problems. Some people say that was seen all along throughout the manga. While yes it has, but in truth everyone goes through what the Uchiha do. The difference being that the Senju have accepted lose and the world itself.

It's weird that the Uchiha have gone for generations fearing lose even though lose is apart of life. It is a fundamental. With love there is hatred, with gain there is lose. Again, life is balance. To deny it is to deny life itself.

But whatever works, works I guess.

Next thing you know, the Uzumaki clan are said to be the same way with the exception that their powers only get stronger the more love they have and never weaken with the pain of lose due to some chakra levels in the brain.

It's funny, it's almost as if the more love the Uchiha have the weaker they are. The pain of not having it makes them stronger.

Like I said, the Uchiha Clan is an entire clan of Anakin Skywalkers. At least, based on their reaction to losing their loved ones.... XD

They seriously have issues with letting go.....

It kinda sucks that the villainous Uchiha's desire to take over the world is basically a gigantic tantrum when they can't get past the death of their loved one.

I wonder if Itachi's inflicted with this too, or he really has learn to either suppress the desire to go nuts, learned to move on, or an indication that he really never loved his family sans Sasuke....

[Don-kun]

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It's ironic how he enters true darkness after killing Karin . This is just my SK heart talking though.

Yep I think is your SK feelings talking.

- Sasuke awake his Sharigan when his clan was wiped out by Itachi.
- It appeared again when Haku were targeting Naruto.
- It became complete at the thought that he needed to kill Naruto.
- His Sharingan became MS the moment he lost Itachi, but were only awaken after he was told the truth about Itachi.
- And learned how to control the Amateratsu by the thought of losing someone who really cares about him.

The only reason why I used the Sakura example, is because it's being say that they would awake amazing powers by the thought of losing someone dear or when thes lost someone dear, Sasuke prove this Sharingan theory to be right when it comes to Naruto, Itachi and Taka/Karin.
Naruto desire to save Sakura has being a lot stronger than Sasuke Uchiha suppose love feelings, so if people cannot get the grip that Sasuke doesn't love Sakura at this point, then they never will.

Edited by Don-kun, 05 February 2013 - 10:01 PM.

[Chatte]

From SK standpoint, I feel this is the excuse Karin needs in order to forgive Sasuke... I guess. Since it's all about chakra stuff around the brain and well, she was the one who always witnessed his chakra changes. And probably she'll understand now why all that happened, happened.

Edited by Chatte, 05 February 2013 - 10:24 PM.

[Qia]

Yep I think is your SK feelings talking.

- Sasuke awake his Sharigan when his clan was wiped out by Itachi.
- It appeared again when Haku were targeting Naruto.
- It became complete at the thought that he needed to kill Naruto.
- His Sharingan became MS the moment he lost Itachi, but were only awaken after he was told the truth about Itachi.
- And learned how to control the Amateratsu by the thought of losing someone who really cares about him.

The only reason why I used the Sakura example, is because it's being say that they would awake amazing powers by the thought of losing someone dear or when thes lost someone dear, Sasuke prove this Sharingan theory to be right when it comes to Naruto, Itachi and Taka/Karin.
Naruto desire to save Sakura has being a lot stronger than Sasuke Uchiha suppose love feelings, so if people cannot get the grip that Sasuke doesn't love Sakura at this point, then they never will.

Don't bring me down so quickly, gah . I figured since he practically did something that was completely impossible before and unheard of when he saved Karin that...it COULD mean something (that his love for her is...you know). Of course, there's a chance I can be wrong. I'm aware of that.

From SK standpoint, I feel this is the excuse Sasuke needs in order to forgive Sasuke... I guess. Since it's all about chakra stuff around the brain and well, she was the one who always witnessed his chakra changes. And probably she'll understand now why all that happened, happened.

I'm still hoping to see some kind of apology when he has his head on back straight, though.

Edited by Qia, 05 February 2013 - 10:06 PM.

[T XD]

That's what I'm mostly looking forward to. It's just peculiar how they have similar facial expressions, and that it took the loss of Obito's loved one for him to enter into true darkness. But, as you said, it may not mean anything romantically in Sasuke's case (it's just...eye catching. The similarities between those two pictures). Plus someone made an interesting note about SK Here.

It really is amazing how he was able to do something that was almost impossible before. All of that to save one person. . I can't help but be happy about this, okay? xD

I'm happy about this too XD. It shows that Sasuke cares for Karin, and like Tobirama said their hatred is so strong that the love is like coming in second place, and the evilness is what make Sasuke do such things.

Edited by T XD, 05 February 2013 - 10:20 PM.

[tonga1]

From SK standpoint, I feel this is the excuse Sasuke needs in order to forgive Sasuke... I guess. Since it's all about chakra stuff around the brain and well, she was the one who always witnessed his chakra changes. And probably she'll understand now why all that happened, happened.

nah, then would be the same for tobi and madara, they are victims of love 2

for me: sk =ss absolutely negative and unjustifiable

[T XD]

From SK standpoint, I feel this is the excuse Sasuke needs in order to forgive Sasuke... I guess. Since it's all about chakra stuff around the brain and well, she was the one who always witnessed his chakra changes. And probably she'll understand now why all that happened, happened.

I think that Karin, Suigetsu and Juugo, even others, will understand him more and his actions that he does. Even, us, readers will understand some of his past and future actions XD. Though, it doesn't mean that he will be directly forgiven for his dark actions.

It feels so psychological

[That Uchiha]

Amazing chapter Kishimoto!

I love Hashirama now OK, he's too adorable!
Tobirama, why so prejudiced against the Uchiha?




THIS FACE, when Sasuke made this face I almost lost it guys.
Don't do this to me Kishimoto...
I can't...

Poor, bby.

On a happier note, I loved these!

"No clan treasured love as much as Uchiha."
"Their love is too strong...and they can end up running wild."
"When an Uchiha that has known love loses it...it turns into an even stronger hate and changes that person."


MY INNER SHIPPER HAS AWAKENED!
Sasuke's love will be legendary!


I ship it now, all of it

SasuKarin
SasuNaru
SasuSaku
SasuIno
SasuNaruSaku
SasuIta
SasuMei
SasuMada
SasuObi
SasuEveryone

Thank you, Kishimoto.

Also, does this...

"When Uchiha suffer after experiencing the loss of a loved one or despair...special chakra sprouts inside their brains, which affects the optic nerve and produces a change in their eyes."

Remind You of Anything? --Click here to view--

[六道仙人]

Didn't anyone find suspicious that uchiha's headquarters is in the same place as that's prison where there was Karin?

[FoolishYoungling]

Remind You of Anything? --Click here to view--

beat you to posting that.

[shadow_Uzumaki]

I don't think Tobirama's really prejudiced towards the Uchiha. He knows what they're capable of and had no idea what to do with them, so he tried to adopt a firm hand to try and guide their...passions? while trying to make sure they don't do too much damage to the rest of Konoha.


Fear leads to Anger, Anger leads to Hate...leads to Suffering. <- Pretty much the entire mind-set of the Uchiha.

[T XD]

If an Uchiha marries from another clan, does their child has less of the symptom than a child which his parents are Uchihas ?

Edited by T XD, 05 February 2013 - 10:58 PM.

[Don-kun]

Don't bring me down so quickly, gah . I figured since he practically did something that was completely impossible before and unheard of when he saved Karin that...it COULD mean something (that his love for her is...you know). Of course, there's a chance I can be wrong. I'm aware of that.

Sorry but Kishimoto has being doing that through Sasuke for a long time now.
For the rest, it could be that he really started to care about his teammates the same way he did with team 7, the fact they remind him of his former team explain us that after seeing how far they were willing to go for him is what allow him to use Amateratsu in the first place but after witnessing Karin dying with his own power he found a way to turn it off, if Karin did mean a lot for Sasuke romantically Kishi might have shown it already in an obvious way, my understanding tells me that Kishi does not want a girl for Sasuke and with this revelation is telling us that if Sasuke becomes a father his kids will only be a repeat of past history.

Also there is something SK as SS loves to forget, what killed those pairing wasn't the murder attempt those only help make the point clear that the pairing wasn't going anywhere.
What killed those pairing was Sasuke choosing revenge over them.
If you choose revenge over me, don't you ever expect that when you return I will be waiting for you with open harm, while you can definitely expect me to ask you if you're happy now.
Revenge should leave a negative mark in your life, while the story should make it clear that revenge will not get you anywhere.

I think that Karin, Suigetsu and Juugo, even others, will understand him more and his actions that he does. Even, us, readers will understand some of his past and future actions XD. Though, it doesn't mean that he will be directly forgiven for his dark actions.

It feels so psychological

Every person in this manga will forgive Sasuke if redemption is what Kishi really wants for him by the end, the problem is that one way or another Sasuke will have to pay for the path he choose, having Karin all over him will only damage her character while Sasuke will be rewarded in the end, when the Manga should be showing a message about those type of life decisions.
By Sasuke's actions he should always be alone in a romantic sense, plus the story is reviling little by little that the Uchihas clan should end with him.

First time was when he made it clear that he want to restore the Uchihas name not be a father, and know Kishi telling us that genetically they are Emo and refuse to accept reality, this's not something they learn with time, they born that way..

Edited by Don-kun, 05 February 2013 - 11:10 PM.

[Arachnia]

I don't think Tobirama's really prejudiced towards the Uchiha. He knows what they're capable of and had no idea what to do with them, so he tried to adopt a firm hand to try and guide their...passions? while trying to make sure they don't do too much damage to the rest of Konoha.


Fear leads to Anger, Anger leads to Hate...leads to Suffering. <- Pretty much the entire mind-set of the Uchiha.

you just did a total yoda

[shadow_Uzumaki]

If an Uchiha marries from another clan, does their child has less of the symptom than a child which his parents are Uchihas ?

Who knows. It seems like the Uchiha are genetically hard-wired to flip the kitten out when they lose the ones they love in order to activate the Mangekyo.
It's possible that the type of environment also plays a part. We have no idea how the Uchiha act towards their families, save for a brief glimpse in Sasuke's domestic life as a child.

Really, it's a case of nature vs. nurture, at work again.

Are the Uchiha upstanding family members? Mikoto seems like a nice woman and a loving mother. Fugaku seems like an a**hole, one of those people who seems like he only cares about powerful sons. If Fugaku was a kinder man, would Sasuke and Itachi end up better? Who knows. It's a compelling conundrum.

@Arachnia: James and I remarked that Sasuke's practically Anakin Skywalker.

Edited by shadow_Uzumaki, 05 February 2013 - 11:08 PM.

[Arachnia]

Who knows. It seems like the Uchiha are genetically hard-wired to flip the kitten out when they lose the ones they love in order to activate the Mangekyo.
It's possible that the type of environment also plays a part. We have no idea how the Uchiha act towards their families, save for a brief glimpse in Sasuke's domestic life as a child.

Really, it's a case of nature vs. nurture, at work again.

Are the Uchiha upstanding family members? Mikoto seems like a nice woman and a loving mother. Fugaku seems like an a**hole, one of those people who seems like he only cares about powerful sons. If Fugaku was a kinder man, would Sasuke and Itachi end up better? Who knows. It's a compelling conundrum.

@Arachnia: James and I remarked that Sasuke's practically Anakin Skywalker.

hehe jup and couple of months ago obito was the anakin man those uchiha

[T XD]

Every person in this manga will forgive Sasuke if redemption is what Kishi really wants for him by the end, the problem is that one way or another Sasuke will have to pay for the path he choose, having Karin all over him will only damage her character while Sasuke will be rewarded in the end, when the Manga should be showing a message about those type of life decisions.
By Sasuke's actions he should always be alone in a romantic sense, plus the story is reviling little by little that the Uchihas clan should end with him.

First time was when he made it clear that he want to restore the Uchihas name not be a father, and know Kishi telling us that genetically they are Emo and refuse to accept reality, this's not something they learn with time, they born that way..

Sasuke for sure will gain a negative outcome for the things he did. But, I don't know if he'll die for sure. I think he's either going to be a wanderer or die. These two options are equal to happen.

Who knows. It seems like the Uchiha are genetically hard-wired to flip the kitten out when they lose the ones they love in order to activate the Mangekyo.
It's possible that the type of environment also plays a part. We have no idea how the Uchiha act towards their families, save for a brief glimpse in Sasuke's domestic life as a child.

Really, it's a case of nature vs. nurture, at work again.

Are the Uchiha upstanding family members? Mikoto seems like a nice woman and a loving mother. Fugaku seems like an a**hole, one of those people who seems like he only cares about powerful sons. If Fugaku was a kinder man, would Sasuke and Itachi end up better? Who knows. It's a compelling conundrum.

@Arachnia: James and I remarked that Sasuke's practically Anakin Skywalker.

Seems that they will still have the eyes with their offspring. But, maybe not as the intensity of hatred, darkness and evilness with two married Uchihas... * shrugs *

It pretty much depends on the person with how their families stand out. Fugaku was somewhat hard with his sons especially on Sasuke :/, but he did express his love for them, and he understanded with Itachi's choice when he wanted to kill him and Mikoto. Still, he should've had shown more love and care for his sons.

Edited by T XD, 05 February 2013 - 11:33 PM.

[That Uchiha]

Didn't anyone find suspicious that uchiha's headquarters is in the same place as that's prison where there was Karin?

I don't know, one translation said the Uchiha's were near the prison, and the other said it used to be the prison.
I wonder which is it?

beat you to posting that.

Ninja'd

If an Uchiha marries from another clan, does their child has less of the symptom than a child which his parents are Uchihas ?

I hope so!
One of my theories is that if Sasuke marries an Uzumaki (who are related to the Senju), like Karin, it could cancel out the curse of the Uchiha.