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#141 Slextrem

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Posted 27 December 2012 - 07:15 AM

QUOTE (fireandice @ Dec 27 2012, 01:12 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
That's the thing, it was on page 4, before Hinata said anything. It was when he was monologuing about how Naruto had to face cold reality, and leading up to the whole villainous, "Oh, but there is another way. COMEEEE take my hand, Naruto" before Hinata slaps Naruto for considering it. That's why I don't think the ObiRin panel was aimed at a romantic angle- Obito definitely loved Rin, but the emphasis was on Obito remembering why he has changed-that memory was him facing the cold hard reality of someone dear to him literally turning cold in death.

I wonder, then, if we'll even get the Obito/Rin Naruto/Sakura parallel? It doesn't seem necessary now. unsure.gif

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Posted 27 December 2012 - 07:15 AM

I find it strange that some people feel certain that this will be the end to Hinata's development. That kind of wishful thinking is really just a setup for disappointment.


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Posted 27 December 2012 - 07:18 AM

So NaruHina a moment, but it's going to happen because Kishimoto has to keep all the ships happy. We maybe backed into a corner, but I'm not giving up hope yet! There's been moments like these before and it usually helps a certain character get development, if anything I think Kishimoto is saving a nice moment for us that will make these moment look silly in comparison. We have to stay strong and ride this storm out NaruSaku fans, we've done it before and we'll do it again!

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Posted 27 December 2012 - 07:19 AM

HOLY kitten so many people on this topic.

Ok, I'll be honest. I didn't read the chapter. And I don't plan on it, because it seems like Kishi has finally lost his mind.

I'm just going to headcanon like crazy and believe that Neji is still alive and that Kishi didn't sacrifice what could have been one of his manga's saving graces in order to make more moneyz.

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Posted 27 December 2012 - 07:23 AM

QUOTE (Nefertieh @ Dec 27 2012, 08:15 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I find it strange that some people feel certain that this will be the end to Hinata's development. That kind of wishful thinking is really just a setup for disappointment.


I'm not certain, because I don't know what Kishi thinks. But IMO it's a possible interpretation. I acknowledge it's also a possibility this is one step closer to NH being canon.

But I'd just rather not look at this chapter as "OMG NH CANON NAO", because that would make me feel worse wink.gif- and it's not a foregone possibility. If Kishi had turned this into a more romantic fashion and said something like Naruto realise that Hinata reallyyyy loves him or what, that would be more of a definitive end. But he didn't. Hinata was making him think of Neji's sacrifice, and by extension, the sacrifices of everybody else. If at the end of the manga, NH is canon, then I'll have to accept it. But for now, it's not the end yet, so I prefer not to feel depressed. Denial or optimism...two sides of the same coin? biggrin.gif

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Posted 27 December 2012 - 07:25 AM

I WILL GO DOWN WITH THIS SHIP.


KISHI, MISLEAD US. MISLEAD US ALL.


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Posted 27 December 2012 - 07:28 AM

QUOTE (swagosaurus @ Dec 27 2012, 01:25 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I WILL GO DOWN WITH THIS SHIP.


KISHI, MISLEAD US. MISLEAD US ALL.



Calm down lol. Didn't you see Sakura's reaction in this chapter to all of the NH nonsense?
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Posted 27 December 2012 - 07:29 AM

QUOTE (swagosaurus @ Dec 27 2012, 01:25 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I WILL GO DOWN WITH THIS SHIP.


KISHI, MISLEAD US. MISLEAD US ALL.

It doesn't matter if he mislead or not, the manga is suffering because of it either way. Catering like this has really f**cked up the quality of the manga.

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Posted 27 December 2012 - 07:31 AM

What many of you don't understand is that sure Naruhina has had it's moments, but this one kind of takes the cake. Seriously guys. They held hands, and are fighting together. She inspired him. I know we all love Narusaku, but quite frankly this moment kind of puts Naruhina in the lead, no matter how many moments Narusaku has had. Naruto's feelings for Hinata at this point are ambiguous and so far it seems like he has moved on from Sakura. I don't want to think this way, but I don't think Kishimoto is going to spend anymore time with the pairing stuff, and sadly we won't get any major scenes with Sakura until SASUKE shows up. :/ HECK I don't even like Naruhina, and I'm not going to ship them. but ugh hearing the Naruhina come bash us Narusaku from this chapter is going to be a b*tch. I can already hear them screaming 'NARUHINA CANON!' Ignore them guys and try not to start fights with them. Let us Narusaku stand strong, and keep our optimism, lets be the mature ones. But like others said, don't be in denial. It will lead you to dissapointment.

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Posted 27 December 2012 - 07:32 AM

QUOTE (zacrathedemon5 @ Dec 27 2012, 03:59 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
It doesn't matter if he mislead or not, the manga is suffering because of it either way. Catering like this has really f**cked up the quality of the manga.


I agree. And it just hit me; he made Hinata the heroine. Call it friendship or development, but this is exactly what NH was going to be.

It's been a pleasure shipping with all of you, ladies and gentlemen.

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Posted 27 December 2012 - 07:33 AM

QUOTE (Eclair @ Dec 26 2012, 11:31 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
What many of you don't understand is that sure Naruhina has had it's moments, but this one kind of takes the cake. Seriously guys. They held hands, and are fighting together. She inspired him. I know we all love Narusaku, but quite frankly this moment kind of puts Naruhina in the lead, no matter how many moments Narusaku has had. Naruto's feelings for Hinata at this point are ambiguous and so far it seems like he has moved on from Sakura. I don't want to think this way, but I don't think Kishimoto is going to spend anymore time with the pairing stuff, and sadly we won't get any major scenes with Sakura until SASUKE shows up. :/ HECK I don't even like Naruhina, and I'm not going to ship them. but ugh hearing the Naruhina come bash us Narusaku from this chapter is going to be a b*tch. I can already hear them screaming 'NARUHINA CANON!' Ignore them guys and try not to start fights with them. Let us Narusaku stand strong, and keep our optimism, lets be the mature ones. But like others said, don't be in denial. It will lead you to dissapointment.


I mostly agree, specifically the last part.

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Posted 27 December 2012 - 07:34 AM

QUOTE (Eclair @ Dec 27 2012, 01:31 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
What many of you don't understand is that sure Naruhina has had it's moments, but this one kind of takes the cake. Seriously guys. They held hands, and are fighting together. She inspired him. I know we all love Narusaku, but quite frankly this moment kind of puts Naruhina in the lead, no matter how many moments Narusaku has had. Naruto's feelings for Hinata at this point are ambiguous and so far it seems like he has moved on from Sakura. I don't want to think this way, but I don't think Kishimoto is going to spend anymore time with the pairing stuff, and sadly we won't get any major scenes with Sakura until SASUKE shows up. :/ HECK I don't even like Naruhina, and I'm not going to ship them. but ugh hearing the Naruhina come bash us Narusaku from this chapter is going to be a b*tch. I can already hear them screaming 'NARUHINA CANON!' Ignore them guys and try not to start fights with them. Let us Narusaku stand strong, and keep our optimism, lets be the mature ones. But like others said, don't be in denial. It will lead you to dissapointment.



QUOTE (swagosaurus @ Dec 27 2012, 01:32 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I agree. And it just hit me; he made Hinata the heroine. Call it friendship or development, but this is exactly what NH was going to be.

It's been a pleasure shipping with all of you, ladies and gentlemen.

At ease.




So...in other words, both of you are jumping off the ship?

Also, if NH fans come to bash and flame, I'm taking them down.

Edited by kidNinja, 27 December 2012 - 07:35 AM.

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Posted 27 December 2012 - 07:34 AM

Come on people, hush hush hush!

Never gives up until the last page or until we see a scene where Naruto says "I love you!" to Hinata!

Come on, all of you have been a warrior for so many long year supporting NaruSaku and now you're telling me you're giving up?! biggrin.gif cool.gif

Never gives up, never surrender! If you are abandoning NaruSaku right now, when we are still yet reaching the end, then I am sorry to say that your feelings/commitment to NaruSaku is never that strong to begin with, and to which I am even going to say even more: what are you doing here, in the best NaruSaku community website in the world? smile.gif

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Posted 27 December 2012 - 07:34 AM

QUOTE (Konohakitten @ Dec 27 2012, 12:45 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
We'll it wasn't as bad as I thought even though some ppl are jumping ship as the swarm of HN fans flood the forums. Personally I think this is Kishi's way of ending Hinata's infatuation with Naruto. What with her speech and all. I may not like Hinata at all as a character but even I had to admit that she did some good in this chapter finally she grew some balls and did something useful. All she's ever done is coward behind Naruto. This time she had to step up to the plate and snap him back into reality.

I know that a good amount of us aren't too happy about Hinata being the one next to Naruto at such a climatic event, however dont forget that the only why Hinata is by Naruto is because the Hyuga's were ordered too do so, they were placed there to protect him. Sakura's job is to be healing everyone so of course she isnt near Naruto. I think this chapter would have had more of an impact shipping wise if Hinata had ran to Naruto on her own accord. All that's happening is that Naruto needs her to continue protecting him as he makes his attack, nothing more. So let Hinata have her moment in the spot light because as always she disappearers after a big event.


The bolded is why I think Kishi is the worst when it comes to writing females and heroines. Mashima and Kubo outdoes him in this department.


QUOTE (James S Cassidy @ Dec 27 2012, 12:47 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Me: NARUSAKU SHIPPERS! Prepare for glory!

NH fan friend: Glory? Have you gone mad? There is no glory to be had now! Only retreat, or surrender or death!

Me: Well, that's an easy choice for us, NaruHina fan! NS fans never retreat! NS fans never surrender! Go spread the word. Let every Naruto fan assembled know the truth of this. Let each among them search his own soul. And while you're at it, search your own.

Children, gather round! No retreat, no surrender; that is NS law. And by NS law we will stand and fight... and die. A new age has begun. An age of freedom, and all will know, that thousands of NS fans gave their last breath to defend it!

Go tell the anime fans, passerby, that here by NS law, we lie.


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QUOTE (HalfStarStudios @ Dec 27 2012, 12:52 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
This. I would lose all respect for Sakura if she ends up with Sasuke. I can handle NaruHina but not SasuSaku.


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QUOTE (neoshadow @ Dec 27 2012, 12:55 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Are you serious? This is Pierrot we're talking about there won't just be a kiss, when Neji dies Hinata will jump up and attack both Madara and Obito landing a few hits on each before getting knocked back down in time to slap Naruto. Then they will kiss.

Could NH still become canon? Of course it could, we don't know what Kishi is thinking, maybe he originally wrote Sakura as the love interest but recently decided Hinata would work better or something. Wouldn't be outside the realm of possibility.


But I very much doubt an inspirational speech and hand holding will equal NH becoming canon, considering how important Sakura is to Naruto and how strong his feelings are for her I doubt we will get any confirmation of pairings until at least Naruto is able to confess to Sakura, she knows he loves her but until he gets the same opportunity Hinata got to confess to him then I wouldn't count NS chances out yet.


Bolded: I think, to be honest, Kishi's editor may have forced his hand to make NH canon.

QUOTE (Super Boom @ Dec 27 2012, 01:04 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

I'm mostly kidding with that. I actually still think it's a little early to tell. I feel like, as a fandom, we've been through so many ups and downs over the course of this manga that we would have learned our lesson by now. Honestly, just sit back and wait before freaking out or talking smack. Nothing's canon till the manga ends.

Except for Natsu/Lucy.

Anyways, if it is true and N/H is suddenly the end pairing, then dang, Kishimoto may have just reached absolute pinnacle of trolldom. He would have become such a Master that Hiro Mashima and Tite Kubo would seem like mere Novice Trolls in comparison to Kishi's horrible Trollifiscence. Unfortunately, Kishi's characters aren't nearly as interesting as anyone in Bleach or Fairy Tail, and thus his Master Troll status would only end up destroying his own manga. Naruto is doomed I tell ya! DOOOOOOMED!

But as I said, let's wait and see. sleep.gif


laugh.gif Yes, I agree. NaLu is canon. Even Mashima states it. All he needs to do is figure out how to get there.

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If N/S is actually the end pairing however, when he's just released this chapter, then I think Kishi shall truly deserve the title of Troll Grand Master.

QUOTE (neoshadow @ Dec 27 2012, 01:32 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I'm curious about that too, is it just Obito remembering Rin and remembering why he chose to do what he has done. Or does he think Hinata is the one Naruto loves or something, it's all very interesting that combined with the random panel of Sakura listening to Hinata's speech, they're both somewhat out of place.
I do find it interesting that whenever NaruHina have moments or her feelings are brought up, the focus almost always shifts to Sakura at some point.


If that ObiRin connection is made, then I will admit NH is canon.

QUOTE (James S Cassidy @ Dec 27 2012, 01:39 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I am not ignoring the truth mind you. I am not going to make up facts or say something to change the situation to make it seem more or less than what it is. I am just saying I am never going to jump ship. I am also wondering if like many situations that have occurred before is this going to be swept under the rug.

As I said, realistically speaking, this would not be the first time Naruto was oblivious to a romantic advance. This would not be the first time Naruto has done something heroic or romantic and again thought nothing of it. Even in the movies he was also depicted a such.

If this gets brushed off by Naruto, I would not be surprised.



I am sorry, but then you are not a true NaruSaku fan. No offense. I don't even know why you are on this ship if you are so keen to leave it as soon as it sinks. It is nothing about being delusional or rabid, but rather having loyalty and conviction. You can choose to jump off now if you wish, but I rather have conviction in doing what I love and anyone should respect that. It's the same line as when your favorite baseball teams loses all the time. Why do you still follow them? I don't know. You just do.

I am tired of people confusing loyalty with being delusional and it is happening a lot. Especially now. "You just don't see the truth." I see the truth, doesn't mean it I am going to change my mind.

That's why I posted that mockery of the 300 speech.


James, quit the member bashing. I though you were better than this.

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#155 Nefertieh

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Posted 27 December 2012 - 07:35 AM

QUOTE (fireandice @ Dec 27 2012, 08:23 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I'm not certain, because I don't know what Kishi thinks. But IMO it's a possible interpretation. I acknowledge it's also a possibility this is one step closer to NH being canon.

But I'd just rather not look at this chapter as "OMG NH CANON NAO", because that would make me feel worse wink.gif- and it's not a foregone possibility. If Kishi had turned this into a more romantic fashion and said something like Naruto realise that Hinata reallyyyy loves him or what, that would be more of a definitive end. But he didn't. Hinata was making him think of Neji's sacrifice, and by extension, the sacrifices of everybody else. If at the end of the manga, NH is canon, then I'll have to accept it. But for now, it's not the end yet, so I prefer not to feel depressed. Denial or optimism...two sides of the same coin? biggrin.gif


I just think that things are probably going to get "worse" before they get better. I'm sure Hinata will have a big role in the next few chapters, the most we can look forward to would be the reaction from Sakura.

People were saying Hinata's purpose was complete after the Pain arc. Clearly it wasn't the case.

Edited by Nefertieh, 27 December 2012 - 07:36 AM.

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Posted 27 December 2012 - 07:36 AM

QUOTE (kidNinja @ Dec 27 2012, 04:04 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
So...in other words, both of you are jumping off the ship?


I'm shipping this forever. I'm just saying, this is exactly what NH is as a canon pairing. This is what Hinata wanted; holding hands.

Still, Sakura's panel holds promise, though I'm not too sure what she looks so shocked about.




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Posted 27 December 2012 - 07:38 AM

QUOTE (Codus N @ Dec 27 2012, 01:34 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Bolded: I think, to be honest, Kishi's editor may have forced his hand to make NH canon.



Does an editor really have that much power? O_o
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Posted 27 December 2012 - 07:39 AM

QUOTE (kidNinja @ Dec 27 2012, 02:28 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Calm down lol. Didn't you see Sakura's reaction in this chapter to all of the NH nonsense?


I only saw one panel of her reaction and it more looked like the situation not what might actually be developing from the two. So I don't know where this Sakura's reaction is coming from and how it effects what has happened.

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Posted 27 December 2012 - 07:40 AM

Only one thing can make the manga even worse.

SasuSaku.

NaruHina is one thing. Although disappointing and...well, not making much sense, for SasuSaku to happen would be infinitely worse.

But hell, it can happen for all I care now. What Kishi does with his manga is his responsibility, not mine. And although it'd be very disappointing if Kishi brought himself to that low, it'd be him killing his manga in the worst possible way. His choice, I guess.

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Posted 27 December 2012 - 07:41 AM

QUOTE (Uzumaki Naruto @ Dec 27 2012, 01:39 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I only saw one panel of her reaction and it more looked like the situation not what might actually be developing from the two. So I don't know where this Sakura's reaction is coming from and how it effects what has happened.


That is true. I re-read the chapter and more specifically that moment multiple times. I think it's to the NH stuff because we already saw her reaction to Neji's death at the beginning of the chapter. The next panel of her is during Hinata's speech after she slapped Naruto.
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