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[Miss Soupy]

Soupy, just wanna ask you... who's the artist of your sig?? does she draw NS too??

It's rusky-boz on deviantart. She does mostly bleach art, but does some others as well. Sorry though, she does not draw NS.

[Phantom_999]

Give it some time...

Okay I'll give it a chance Kim. By the way how Leo-kun doing, Aneue?

It's rusky-boz on deviantart. She does mostly bleach art, but does some others as well. Sorry though, she does not draw NS.

Oh too bad..... But I love her fanart work on Bleach though and those Ulquihime drawings are looking more and more realistic

[Phantom_999]

hmm So anyone want to take a guess how long the big three will last in their reign

[Dreamer]

hmm So anyone want to take a guess how long the big three will last in their reign

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Kubo said he wants to go another 10 years with the Soul King and Royal Guard likely being the final plot resolved toward the end. As for One Piece i don't see it ending anytime soon as well with Luffy and the gang just now exploring the other part of the Grand Line. Naruto seems that it may go for another year or two tops given the final revelations that are happening in the manga.

Edited by Dreamer, 25 August 2011 - 11:29 AM.

[Darth Krypt]

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Kubo said he wants to go another 10 years with the Soul King and Royal Guard likely being the final plot resolved toward the end. As for One Piece i don't see it ending anytime soon as well with Luffy and the gang just now exploring the other part of the Grand Line. Naruto seems that it may go for another year or two tops given the final revelations that are happening in the manga.

Yup exactly. One Piece is only at the halfway point after running for 14 years. The only Big 3 that shows signs of ending is Naruto. When that happens one will have to fight for the vacant spot.

[Phantom_999]

Hmm Yeah it does seem like Naruto would likely be the one to finish first UNLESS Kishimoto decides NOT TO end it yet or is otherwise pressured to continue like Toriyama with Dragon Ball because fans kept sending Shueisha with letters demanding more chapters and his editor kept urging him too keep it up when he wanted to end it with the Frieza saga So I'm just saying it happens especially with Naruto's success personally I don't want Naruto to end yet but if Kishi decides to end it he shouldn't COERCED into expanding it so I won't send endless mails to him demanding more

Edited by Phantom_999, 25 August 2011 - 01:32 PM.

[Codus N]

Yup exactly. One Piece is only at the halfway point after running for 14 years. The only Big 3 that shows signs of ending is Naruto. When that happens one will have to fight for the vacant spot.

As I said before, FT is a prime candidate for that vacant spot.

[Jenskott]

Naruto - Out of the three is the only still keeps my interest after several years. The story has got ups and downs but mostly I am still hooked up to the plot, the world and the characters.

Bleach - Let me explain one thing beforehand: The last volume I have read is 42. So I will be greateful for no spoilers.

I started reading Bleach after a friend of mine told me it was better than Naruto. I purchased the first volume and I liked it. It seemed good enough. I read up to the Soul Society arc and I was pretty entertained.

However, during the Hueco Mundo Arc I began getting more and more bored. The story seemed dragging out, the fights were beginning getting repetitive, and most of the new characters were boring and forgettable to me (I liked Nel for reasons have nothing to do with her chest size. I liked some vizard... but mostly I didn't like the new characters. In fact, I strongly disliked most of the Arrancar. And why people gushes over Ulquiorra is beyond me. I get it is a matter of taste and all that, and I respect it, but I don't get it). Still I perseverated reading on...

... And then I found out Kubo didn't finish the story after the defeat of Aizen. So now I am not sure about going on reading or not. I have the feeling of Kubo is dragging it out TOO MUCH. I guess I will keep reading until Aizen's death and then I will decide if I read the next volumes or not.

One Piece - I do not read the manga. I do not watch the anime. It seems funny, but... I don't know. I don't know if I want trying it or not.

Full Metal Alchemist - I wanted watching the show, but I have not got to it yet.

Fairy Tail - I have not read the manga or watched the anime. I don't know what it is about or if I would like or not. I am not in a hurry for checking it out, either.

And that is it.

[Darth Krypt]

One Piece - I do not read the manga. I do not watch the anime. It seems funny, but... I don't know. I don't know if I want trying it or not.

Full Metal Alchemist - I wanted watching the show, but I have not got to it yet.

Fairy Tail - I have not read the manga or watched the anime. I don't know what it is about or if I would like or not. I am not in a hurry for checking it out, either.

And that is it.

You absolutely must try reading or watching OP and FMA. I highly recommend them. Not so much FT though because it basically rips off moments from OP. I watched FT and thought it was very good. But then a few months later I started on OP and noticed there was a hell of alot of moments/characters which appear similar or exactly the same as in FT. I'm sure it isn't coincidence since those kind of moments aren't really common or stereotypical.

Edited by Darth Krypt, 25 August 2011 - 09:45 PM.

[Jenskott]

You absolutely must try reading or watching OP and FMA. I highly recommend them.

Thank you for your recommendation. I will keep it in mind, but I have a lot of -mainly classic- shows on my To Watch list, so it can be a while.

Unfortunately I am a bit wary of checking current shows out. I usually preffer older shows, but I try keeping an open mind and at last trying some new series. However I have often tried reading a manga or watching an anime series because people were gushing over how GREAT it was... and then I was underwhelmed. I tried reading Rosario+Vampire, Soul Eater... and I stopped after the first chapters because I found them boring.

Then again, I tried Naruto and Bleach and I liked them, so that... you can guess if you will like a show based upon your tastes, but you will never know for sure if you like or dislike until you try it.

And a friend of mine who likes pretty much the same shows like me told me FMA was pretty good, so I am hopeful.

Not so much FT though because it basically rips off moments from OP. I watched FT and thought it was very good. But then a few months later I started on OP and noticed there was a hell of alot of moments/characters which appear similar or exactly the same as in FT. I'm sure it isn't coincidence since those kind of moments aren't really common or stereotypical.

Obviously I can not ask for details since we would be spoiling the series for another people, but... are you sure that kind of moment/characters are not tropes common to the action genre?

Once I met a Naruto fan thought Kishimoto had ripped off a nineties' Mega Man anime... because in one scene someone shields Mega Man from a shuriken in a similar position to Iruka protecting Naruto from Mizuki's Fuuma Shuriken in the first chapter. I am QUITE certain that was nothing but coincidence since we do not even know if Kishimoto watched that cartoon back then, and that kind of scene (an acquaintance of the hero taking a projectile on his/her back for the hero) has been used countless times on plenty shows, but that person insisted Kishimoto was a plagiarist and had disappointed her (I was SO tempted of telling "Alright, if that is how you want playing..." and putting up pics of Neo-Human Casshan, which is very similar to Mega Man, but several years older... but that is another history)...

Nevertheless, the first time I saw a Fairy Tail picture I thought it was Oda's new manga, since the art looked like very similar to One Piece's, so maybe FT's creator is very influenced by One Piece anyway.

[Darth Krypt]

Obviously I can not ask for details since we would be spoiling the series for another people, but... are you sure that kind of moment/characters are not tropes common to the action genre?

Oh yeah I'm pretty sure. As I said I watched Fairy Tail first but before I did that, I searched the net for reviews to see what's the reception it got. And alot of the comments were like "OMG! FAIRY TAIL IS A RIPOFF OF ONE PIECE!!!" and me, the nice guy that I am, thought "well their art is similar but what's important is the story. And so I watched Fairy Tail happily until the current arc and was very impressed with it.

Then having the craving to pick up a new series, I thought why not one of the Big 3 and having already watched some of it years ago? And thus began the journey of discoveries. As I watched OP, I saw characters and their quirks that are undeniably similar to what I saw in FT. The first major moment was when I saw a scene that went exactly like in FT. To those who have read both I'm referring to the scene where they point their arms in the air as a sign/message to someone. I was majorly disappointed since when I saw it in FT, I was deeply touched and even teared abit. To know that he stole that idea of a powerful scene made me slightly mad.

Oh and one more thing is, if you're going to say "well shounen mangas have similar style so their characters and stories were bound to be similar", then how do you explain this?
Shanks/Gildarts
Gildarts is not similar to Shanks. He is a carbon copy of Shanks. The relationship they had with the main character, having met him when he is a small child, saved him from a big monster, left him for many years, inspired him to be a great pirate/mage, and most importantly having lost an entire left arm. Yup not only they look similar, both of them are missing the same side of the arm! Tell me how many shounen characters are missing arms. That's too much of a coincidence and I'm starting to think Mashima just blindly copies OP without even bothering to change a few details. After all that it is very hard to deny the fact that FT stole some stuff from OP.

Don't get me wrong, I don't hate FT nor am I bashing it. I'm just stating my opinion which I strongly believe in. I lost alot of respect for Mashima that's all. I'm still following the series though. And so if I were to recommend either one of them the answer would definitely be One Piece since it is a better product of the two being very similar but is the original one.

Edited by Darth Krypt, 26 August 2011 - 12:53 PM.

[ciardha]

Hmm Yeah it does seem like Naruto would likely be the one to finish first UNLESS Kishimoto decides NOT TO end it yet or is otherwise pressured to continue like Toriyama with Dragon Ball because fans kept sending Shueisha with letters demanding more chapters and his editor kept urging him too keep it up when he wanted to end it with the Frieza saga So I'm just saying it happens especially with Naruto's success personally I don't want Naruto to end yet but if Kishi decides to end it he shouldn't COERCED into expanding it so I won't send endless mails to him demanding more

It looks pretty strongly like it's drawing to a close. But Kishimoto could very well do the Minato prequel he was considering. If he does, then Minato will take over Naruto's spot. Minato is really popular with Japanese fans and in the west too. Kushina seems to be taking off stronger in the west so far, but with the focus on Minato and Kushina in their adolescence that should jump her popularity up in Japan. It would be great to see all the parents as teens, and Jiraiya and Tsunade in their 20's, Hiruzen, Biwako, Koharu and Homura in their 40's, with maybe some glimpses of toddler Kakashi, Shizune, Asuma, Kurenai, and Gai

[merryGOflava]

on the FAIRY TAIL and ONE PIECE subject :T

yea i would say watch OP first it has a obvious plot and the characters are so unique.

FT also has a plot but....it doesnt focus alot on it...sometimes i forget about it XD. the characters are nice but they just arent like OP characters. (but that doesnt mean you shouldnt read it)

granted i might be a little biased, i mean look at my avatar and sig!! XD but im still reading both of them :3 and i just enjoy OP a lot better.

both natsu and luffy are kinda stupid...but luffy makes stupid look good :3

[Phantom_999]

It looks pretty strongly like it's drawing to a close. But Kishimoto could very well do the Minato prequel he was considering. If he does, then Minato will take over Naruto's spot. Minato is really popular with Japanese fans and in the west too. Kushina seems to be taking off stronger in the west so far, but with the focus on Minato and Kushina in their adolescence that should jump her popularity up in Japan. It would be great to see all the parents as teens, and Jiraiya and Tsunade in their 20's, Hiruzen, Biwako, Koharu and Homura in their 40's, with maybe some glimpses of toddler Kakashi, Shizune, Asuma, Kurenai, and Gai

Yeah but Kishimoto wrote on the author's note of volume 48 that Naruto will keep continuing but he HAS finished the outline leading to the ending So lets not assume it's ending yet but if it is then it is no harm done just a bit sad that Naruto will finish while the other two big three continue on

[Phantom_999]

Hmm out of curiosity Does anyone here know which of the big three is cosplayed the most

[Greed-Sama]

And a friend of mine who likes pretty much the same shows like me told me FMA was pretty good, so I am hopeful.

Give your friend a high five or something for me. I personally love FMA better than any manga/anime I've read/watched. The characters and the themes involved that originate in the west helped me feel a little more connected with some of the Lore such as the creation of the major villains.

[ciardha]

Hmm out of curiosity Does anyone here know which of the big three is cosplayed the most

In the US Naruto far and away. Bleach used to be a close second but has kind of declined the past three years. One Piece, way behind, there was a slight pick up around three years ago (around the time Bleach declined) but by the next year had fallen back down to far below Bleach, it's even less this year. It's behind FMA cosplayers- of the shonen manga series cosplayed it typically runs around 3rd. Bleach kind of recovered this year but still trails Naruto significantly. I also see more part 2 Naruto cosplayers than part 1.

[Phantom_999]

In the US Naruto far and away. Bleach used to be a close second but has kind of declined the past three years. One Piece, way behind, there was a slight pick up around three years ago (around the time Bleach declined) but by the next year had fallen back down to far below Bleach, it's even less this year. It's behind FMA cosplayers- of the shonen manga series cosplayed it typically runs around 3rd. Bleach kind of recovered this year but still trails Naruto significantly. I also see more part 2 Naruto cosplayers than part 1.

Oh thanks ciardha! *high fives* so how bout in Japan?

[tricksie]

It looks pretty strongly like it's drawing to a close. But Kishimoto could very well do the Minato prequel he was considering. If he does, then Minato will take over Naruto's spot. Minato is really popular with Japanese fans and in the west too. Kushina seems to be taking off stronger in the west so far, but with the focus on Minato and Kushina in their adolescence that should jump her popularity up in Japan. It would be great to see all the parents as teens, and Jiraiya and Tsunade in their 20's, Hiruzen, Biwako, Koharu and Homura in their 40's, with maybe some glimpses of toddler Kakashi, Shizune, Asuma, Kurenai, and Gai

Yeah, I wouldn't be at all suprised. Especially at the rate that new "old" characters are being introduced! And he would easily be able to capitalize on the popularity of Naruto to ride right into a Minato storyline.

It would also be a way for him to write/illustrate a different kind of storyline and characters that he might not have been able to in Naruto. I mean, he's kind of locked into the sterotypes he created when he was around 25. They work, are popular and make money. I bet his editors wouldn't let him rock the boat if he wanted to. He has to keep fanning the little flames of pairings, etc.

But with a new story, with characters the audience already adores, he could invest more time in making Tsunade a badass or create a main female protagonist (Kushina) as someone the audience loves instead of half-hates (Sakura). Anyway, I would think he'd get a second crack at things he might have wished he'd done differently in the past.

I wish there were some professional interviews floating around with Kishi. Not just the silly fan stuff with terrible translations. But really indepth about his creative process, how much is under his control and how much isn't, things he wished he'd done differently and if things he viewed one way between ages 20-25 (his creative gestational period for Naruto) have changed at ages 35-40. Anyway, as I read Naruto I find myself wondering these things.

[Jenskott]

Gildarts is not similar to Shanks. He is a carbon copy of Shanks. The relationship they had with the main character, having met him when he is a small child, saved him from a big monster, left him for many years, inspired him to be a great pirate/mage, and most importantly having lost an entire left arm. Yup not only they look similar, both of them are missing the same side of the arm! Tell me how many shounen characters are missing arms. That's too much of a coincidence and I'm starting to think Mashima just blindly copies OP without even bothering to change a few details. After all that it is very hard to deny the fact that FT stole some stuff from OP.

I know it was a rethoric question but I could not help to think about it...

Well, Hyoma Aoi (Combattler V) lost both of his arms in one of the first episodes (although he got cybernetic replacements. I have got that example fresh in my mind because I have been watching that anime recently). Gally (Battle Angel Alita) also got one of her arms cut off... One of the Bleach characters in the Soul Society Arc (I am sorry, I have forgotten her name)... Asuka (Evangelion) got one of her arms sliced off... Ten Shin An (Dragon Ball) or however you spell it out also did...

However, usually the characters get replacements (such like Hyoma), or are cyborg (such like Gally or Xenon's -a little known shonen manga by Masaomi Kanzaki I read many years ago- main character and therefore are easily replaceable or they can reattach them (such like Akira, Devilman's main characer, or Manji, Blade of Inmortal's main character... albeit it is a seinen manga) or grow them back (such like Yakumo Fujii -3x3 eyes-).

However, the character being maimed and that change being permanently seems unusual, and reserved for secondary characters or mentors...

Going back to the topic, indeed, it sounds like if Fairy Tail is TOO similar to One Piece. Oh, well.

yea i would say watch OP first it has a obvious plot and the characters are so unique.

They don't seem unique to me. Luffy, Nami, Zorro, Ussop... all of them cleanly fit in old stereoptypes and tropes. For example, Luffy is a main character who is, er, "somewhat" dense, impulsive, never gives up and will go utterly berserker on anybody even SUGGESTS harming his friends. I can think of plenty main characters like that.

However stereotypes and tropes are not bad on their own. EVERYTHING is a stereotype, after all. It depends on the execution. If it is good, I am sure I will be entertained.

Give your friend a high five or something for me. I personally love FMA better than any manga/anime I've read/watched. The characters and the themes involved that originate in the west helped me feel a little more connected with some of the Lore such as the creation of the major villains.

Thank you for your endorsement.

In the US Naruto far and away. Bleach used to be a close second but has kind of declined the past three years. One Piece, way behind, there was a slight pick up around three years ago (around the time Bleach declined) but by the next year had fallen back down to far below Bleach, it's even less this year. It's behind FMA cosplayers- of the shonen manga series cosplayed it typically runs around 3rd. Bleach kind of recovered this year but still trails Naruto significantly. I also see more part 2 Naruto cosplayers than part 1.

Okay, that is interesting.

But with a new story, with characters the audience already adores, he could invest more time in making Tsunade a badass or create a main female protagonist (Kushina) as someone the audience loves instead of half-hates (Sakura). Anyway, I would think he'd get a second crack at things he might have wished he'd done differently in the past.

I wish there were some professional interviews floating around with Kishi. Not just the silly fan stuff with terrible translations. But really indepth about his creative process, how much is under his control and how much isn't, things he wished he'd done differently and if things he viewed one way between ages 20-25 (his creative gestational period for Naruto) have changed at ages 35-40. Anyway, as I read Naruto I find myself wondering these things.

I am not sure if this is true or not, but I think he has said he wanted drawing a battle between Tsunade and Pain back when Nagato invaded Konohagakure, but his editor asked him ommiting it to speed up the history, and he had originally wanted the battle between Team Kakashi and Asuma against Hidan and Kakuzu was longer, but his editor asked him shortening it.

Edited by Jenskott, 30 August 2011 - 09:41 AM.