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[ShippudenGirl]

This^
Death was too easy and too good for him, it's an unsatisfying feeling.

I feel the same

[Zero BD]

Unless..... Zero can hack in or steal the photos though......

lol, I do have security clearance but I don't think it's that high up XD

[Insurrection]

OH SNAP....

http://swampland.tim...-raid-early-on/

Months prior, the U.S. had considered expanding the assault to include coordination with other countries, notably Pakistan. But the CIA ruled out participating with its nominal South Asian ally early on because “it was decided that any effort to work with the Pakistanis could jeopardize the mission. They might alert the targets,” Panetta says.

CIA officials turned a windowless seventh-floor conference room at Langley into a command center for the mission, and Panetta watched the operation unfold from there. As he and his team waited for McRaven to report on whether bin Laden was indeed at the compound, Panetta says the room was tense. “I kept asking Bill McRaven, ‘O.K., what the hell’s this mean?,’ ” and when McRaven finally said they had ID’d “Geronimo,” the mission code name for bin Laden, “All the air we were holding came out,” Panetta says. When the helicopters left the compound 15 minutes later, the room broke into applause.

Carney on bin Laden photo: "It's fair to say that it's a greusome photograph." Fears it could be "inflammatory."

Uh, we crossed into Pakistan, killed him in his mansion, took all his Intel, dumped him into the ocean. What's left?

Edited by Insurrection, 03 May 2011 - 06:16 PM.

[Sakura Blossoms]

Short vid on the Navy Seal team who went in and took out Osama:

http://news.yahoo.co...-laden-25099723

[alexander]

Uh, we crossed into Pakistan, killed him in his mansion, took all his Intel, dumped him into the ocean. What's left?

Um, I don't know... how about show some solid evidence that he is really dead? Like an picture of his dead body or something like that.
I don't really trust this DNA exam thing, any powerfull government like the USA could have easily faked it, we need some real evidence. The more they hold this pictures they have, the more suspicious people will get.

[Insurrection]

Um, I don't know... how about show some solid evidence that he is really dead? Like an picture of his dead body or something like that.
I don't really trust this DNA exam thing, any powerfull government like the USA could have easily faked it, we need some real evidence. The more they hold this pictures they have, the more suspicious people will get.

It was my response to the Press Secretary's excuse of not releasing the photo alexander.

Also a narrative has been released.

Osama was unarmed and didn't use his wife as a shield...(My Bad.)

http://content.usato...den-not-armed/1

On orders of the president, a small U.S. team assaulted a secure compound in an affluent suburb of Islamabad to capture or kill Osama bin Laden.

The raid was conducted with U.S. military personnel assaulting on two helicopters. The team methodically cleared the compound moving from room to room in an operation lasting nearly 40 minutes. They were engaged in a firefight throughout the operation and Osama Bin Laden was killed by the assaulting force.

In addition to the bin Laden family, two other families resided in the compound: one family on the first floor of the bin Laden building and one family in a second building. One team began the operation on the first floor of the bin Laden house and worked their way to the third floor; a second team cleared the separate building.

On the first floor of bin Laden's building, two Al Qaeda couriers were killed along with a woman who was killed in cross-fire. Bin Laden and his family were found on the second and third floor of the building. There was concern that bin Laden would oppose the capture operation and indeed he resisted.

In the room with bin Laden, a woman -- bin Laden's wife -- rushed the U.S. assaulter and was shot in the leg but not killed. Bin Laden was then shot and killed. He was not armed.

Following the firefight, the non-combatants were moved to a safe location as the damaged helicopter was detonated.

The team departed the scene via helicopter to the USS Carl Vinson in the North Arabian Sea.

Aboard the USS Carl Vinson, the burial of bin Laden was done in conformance with Islamic precepts and practices. The deceased's body was washed and then placed in a white sheet. The body was placed in a weighted bag; a military officer read prepared religious remarks, which were translated into Arabic by a native speaker. After the words were complete, the body was placed on a prepared flat board, tipped up, and the deceased body eased into the sea.

Edited by Insurrection, 03 May 2011 - 07:39 PM.

[alexander]

Sorry for the weird site: http://www.hollywood...aid-abbottabad/

So, it seems that Osama wasn't only photograped but also filmed when killed, this is all the evidence we need, but knowing the higher ups, this footage will never be shown.

[dl316bh]

Um, I don't know... how about show some solid evidence that he is really dead? Like an picture of his dead body or something like that.
I don't really trust this DNA exam thing, any powerfull government like the USA could have easily faked it, we need some real evidence. The more they hold this pictures they have, the more suspicious people will get.

Okay, so, let me get this straight. A picture - a form of media that finds itself regularly manipulated on the internet and has been proven to be easy to fake - is even more solid a piece of evidence than DNA testing? That's pretty backwards; and guaranteed the second a photo of his dead body went up online there would be conspiracy theorists claiming it's fake. I don't mean this as a snarky remark or as a jab at you, but I think if DNA testing isn't going to do it for you nothing short of you actually having been there when he was plugged will.

If nothing else, the political ramifications alone make me think this is the real deal. The President announces this guy is dead and it turns out he isn't? It'd be like chum in the shark infested water. Besides which, Bin Laden was much more useful politically as a boogeyman than he is a body.

Edited by dl316bh, 03 May 2011 - 08:16 PM.

[Nate River]

If nothing else, the political ramifications alone make me think this is the real deal. The President announces this guy is dead and it turns out he isn't? It'd be like chum in the shark infested water. Besides which, Bin Laden was much more useful politically as a boogeyman than he is a body.

I agree. What would it take Alexander? There is already a faked photo of dead Osama, why would that convince you over the DNA?

I can't believe he either stupid, reckless, or dishonest enough, to fake this or not to be really sure it's Bin Laden before he says this. If he's caught or wrong, he's toast.

I don't believe Obama very often, but I do believe him on this.

[alexander]

Okay, so, let me get this straight. A picture - a form of media that finds itself regularly manipulated on the internet and has been proven to be easy to fake - is even more solid a piece of evidence than DNA testing? That's pretty backwards; and guaranteed the second a photo of his dead body went up online there would be conspiracy theorists claiming it's fake. I don't mean this as a snarky remark or as a jab at you, but I think if DNA testing isn't going to do it for you nothing short of you actually having been there when he was plugged will.

If nothing else, the political ramifications alone make me think this is the real deal. The President announces this guy is dead and it turns out he isn't? It'd be like chum in the shark infested water. Besides which, Bin Laden was much more useful politically as a boogeyman than he is a body.

First, do not put words in my mouth dl316bh, I never intended to sound snarky or anything like that, I'm being serious here, believing me or not.

And second, I know, pictures can also be easily faked, all I'm asking is some extra confirmation, they have the images, so just show it damn it, the long run showed me that whenever the US government start hiding things, is because there is something fishy, they already have a lot of secrets, no reason to create another.

[dl316bh]

First, do not put words in my mouth dl316bh, I never intended to sound snarky or anything like that, I'm being serious here, believing me or not.

Clearly you didn't read closely enough.

I don't mean this as a snarky remark or as a jab at you

Well gee, it seems I wasn't claiming you were being snarky at all.

Trying to be sure people don't think I'm taking a jab at them or intending to insult doesn't seem to work; I should probably just go back to being blunt and if they think I'm being a kitten then oh well.

Edited by dl316bh, 03 May 2011 - 09:22 PM.

[Nate River]

As for the burial controversy, I see no way around it. The military wasn't exactly in a good position to hand his body over to someone who would bury it properly, be it Al Queda or the Pakastani government, and most likely due to standard military procedures, were placed in a situation where they couldn't follow Islamic law. All I can say is that if they got the proof we need, and gave his body as respectful a burial as possible, then well done. Besides, I don't think doing it "right" would have appeased the fanatics or changed the amount of possible terrorists in the future either way.

There was nothing they could do that would have made everyone happy.

[Strangelove]

All i know is that he was living in a mansion...wow...protected by the Pakistani govt. If he was living in a cave then we would have never known, but the dude was living in a mansion, surrounded by his wives, and around a military zone belonging to Pakistan.


and this is Pakistan response to the kill of Osama Bin Laden.

http://www.nytimes.c...04pakistan.html

Srsly, i love peace. But Pakistan needs one big bomb.

Edited by Strangelove, 03 May 2011 - 09:53 PM.

[Nee-sama]

Personally, I don't think the CIA should release classified photos just to appease conspiracy theorists and believers.

[ShippudenGirl]

Yeah, rather release photos and piss the Osama-lovers off even more, or keep it hidden and piss off the conspiracy people who don't really think he's dead. Honestly I wouldn't want a photo released, I'll just trust them.

[Sakura Blossoms]

Personally, I don't think the CIA should release classified photos just to appease conspiracy theorists and believers.

^ This.

[Nate River]

All i know is that he was living in a mansion...wow...protected by the Pakistani govt. If he was living in a cave then we would have never known, but the dude was living in a mansion, surrounded by his wives, and around a military zone belonging to Pakistan.


and this is Pakistan response to the kill of Osama Bin Laden.

http://www.nytimes.c...04pakistan.html

Srsly, i love peace. But Pakistan needs one big bomb.

Yeah, Pakistan has a lot of questions they need to (and will never) answer. The Pakistani west point was there and the mansion was across the street from a police station. The town was a retiree town for military personel....

Sure thing, guys....

[Darth Krypt]

Srsly, i love peace. But Pakistan needs one big bomb.

This sentence is so ironic.

Yeah, rather release photos and piss the Osama-lovers off even more, or keep it hidden and piss off the conspiracy people who don't really think he's dead. Honestly I wouldn't want a photo released, I'll just trust them.

Yup there is no way to appease everyone. In the end it all boils down to trust, belief, faith etc in the other person/party. That's what everything in the world is about.

[dl316bh]

Yeah, Pakistan has a lot of questions they need to (and will never) answer. The Pakistani west point was there and the mansion was across the street from a police station. The town was a retiree town for military personel...

Yet they are mad about and wonder why they weren't involved. Well gee, that's a good question. All that stuff you just mentioned? Why, that's not suspicious at all!

I love how it took a day and a half for them to get some kind of response together for the public.

I mean... what the hell do you say when confronted with all this?