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[Kyuudaime]

Anyone thinking now with these new powers, he'll be able to "purify" Sasuke? >.>

[RedDelicious]

Until we see more, I think people are overreacting to Naruto sensing Kisame's murderous intent. The guy basically radiates hate/contempt. Does not mean that Naruto will be able to sense every emotion around him from average folks.

As far as the picture is concerned... If the pairing becomes cannon, then this becomes a subtle clue leading to it. Not proof in itself of the pairing. But... this falls under reasonable doubt. There may be a dozen scenes that can be dismissed, if considered one at a time. But needing to come up with a dozen explanations, that starts to become unreasonable.

Just because a character makes a comparison between Minato and Naruto, doesn't make them right. How many people would accurately remember Minato's actions after 16 years? They are comparing what they've seen Naruto doing, with the reputation/legend/memory of someone else. (Same thing when making power comparisons involving Sasuke, Itachi, or Kikashi.)

Since Kushina was in Naruto's mind, I wonder how much of that flashback did he experience personally, versus imagining it from Kushina's words? Naruto has always worked better from examples and demonstrations. If Naruto saw what Minato could do (from Kushina's viewpoint), Naruto would definitely start to copy the moves.

"I was just kidding... I bet your true self's not even a human being..."

[jason voorhees]

what alot of people lack is experience in manga you read so many you can tell how things will go. inexperience thats why some people end up reading the story incorrect now this is not to offend anyone but people let there fears rule there judgements as well for the unown thats were years of reading helps.
now honestly i don't really care if no one agrees but from readying resent post thats my pov.

[harry4e]

As I said before, it may or may not be the FTG technique, and like the Rasengan I'm at the beleif that the technique was incomplete It would make sense that the Fourth Hokage would want the technique without seals or special Kunai's it would make his job much easier, But for all we know Naruto just ran at Kisame at such a great speed he was a golden flash, we know how fast he is from when he saved Sakura even before Kakashi could react, and he was much further away. So it might be the godlike speed the Kyuubi charkra grants him, or it could be 'That Jutsu' we keep on hearing about, either way he did not use any hand signs and everytime I remember the body flicker I remember one hand sign.

As for those saying the we should't use the drawings as an argument of a certain pairing, they should remember that this is a Manga at the end of the day, and if the Mangaka can not portray his or her intent through their drawings then he is missing a vital part of the skills required to be a mangeka, And we all know Kishi is very good at not only verbalising his message but also doing it through his drawings. I'm not saying that the drawing of the gang says 100% that NaruSaku is the done deal, but I will say the position of Sakura and Shikamaru were very diliberate to show his link to them two being closer than any of his other friends, Same way as the Sensei's drawing showed Kakashi first, then Iruka with the Third Hokage opposite him as equal second important teachers, and then Asuma fourth who he learn about Wind element from.

anyway just read the Sleepyfans translation and their preview for the next chapter states 'Guy vs Kisame and war breaks out in the Ninja World.' So in two weeks time we'll probably see good old Sasuke with his brand new eyes taken from his blind brother, (Now if someone could explain how the combination of two blind mens eyes makes for one set of perfect eyes?)

Edited by harry4e, 06 August 2010 - 05:14 PM.

[Zin]

As I said before, it may or may not be the FTG technique, and like the Rasengan I'm at the beleif that the technique was incomplete It would make sense that the Fourth Hokage would want the technique without seals or special Kunai's it would make his job much easier, But for all we know Naruto just ran at Kisame at such a great speed he was a golden flash, we know how fast he is from when he saved Sakura even before Kakashi could react, and he was much further away. So it might be the godlike speed the Kyuubi charkra grants him, or it could be 'That Jutsu' we keep on hearing about, either way he did not use any hand signs and everytime I remember the body flicker I remember one hand sign.

As for those saying the we should't use the drawings as an argument of a certain pairing, they should remember that this is a Manga at the end of the day, and if the Mangaka can not portray his or her intent through their drawings then he is missing a vital part of the skills required to be a mangeka, And we all know Kishi is very good at not only verbalising his message but also doing it through his drawings. I'm not saying that the drawing of the gang says 100% that NaruSaku is the done deal, but I will say the position of Sakura and Shikamaru were very diliberate to show his link to them two being closer than any of his other friends, Same way as the Sensei's drawing showed Kakashi first, then Iruka with the Third Hokage opposite him as equal second important teachers, and then Asuma fourth who he learn about Wind element from.

anyway just read the Sleepyfans translation and their preview for the next chapter states 'Guy vs Kisame and war breaks out in the Ninja World.' So in two weeks time we'll probably see good old Sasuke with his brand new eyes taken from his blind brother, (Now if someone could explain how the combination of two blind mens eyes makes for one set of perfect eyes?)

We really don't have enough right now to say whether it was FTG or not. The wording though suggests that it was and I don't know why that exact wording would be used otherwise. But then again, I don't know how Naruto would be able to use the FTG either...

As for your last question...What Kishi says goes ! It doesn't matter if it doesn't make sense to us ! As long as Kishi says it makes sense, it makes sense !

Edited by Zin, 06 August 2010 - 05:58 PM.

[K9ofChaos]

Some passing thoughts as I read the chapter.

1. I'm not really digging the sage of the 6th paths look if thta's how he's going to look in his future battles
2. Now that the Kyuubi is completely suppress, will he be able to merge with pa and ma toad to retain sage mode without the use of clones?
3. Would Naturo be able to merge natural, Kyuubi, and his own chakra together as part of his future training
4. Will he get his father's weapons that were used with the FTG technique
5. When will Sakura be brought back into the mix
6. And finally, if Guy fights Kisame then will Naruto get to use/practice his newfound abilities in the near future? I'm all for Guy getting a little Springtime of Youth action, but I'm hoping for Naruto to unleash some fury on someone.

I completely agree with you on number one. I don't want Naruto to look like Ninja Jesus (That's the nickname I'll be using when referring to the Sage of the Six paths) when he taps in to the power of the nine tails every time he needs to. Ask yourselves this everyone, when you first saw Naruto enter his demon cloak against Orochimaru, did you thought "Wow, that looks really awesome, if only Naruto could control it" running through your head? And when you first saw Killer Bee go Version 2 against Kisame, did you thought "Wow, that's incredibly amazing, if Killer Bee trains Naruto, I bet he could do Version 2 as well" running through your head as well? Finally we get to see Naruto training with Killer Bee and what do we get? An overly glorified Ninja Jesus Mode, that's what. I don't want Naruto to get something different from Killer Bee for the sake of surpassing the next generation or having purified tailed beast chakra in order to bring peace to the world or some idealistic bull crap like that. I'd rather see Naruto doing Lariat or Head butt or even Liger bomb if Killer Bee and the Raikage share all of those same jutsu with each other. If this is Naruto's tailed beast transformation, then Kishimoto has screwed up like he screwed up with Dark Naruto. He could have made him into an awesome polar opposite psychotic badass like Hollow Ichigo from Bleach but to he go in that direction? No. Instead, he made him into a crybaby that has easily defeated by a hug. ONE F***ING HUG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I will only forgive Kishimoto if that new seal is a more powerful version of the FTG jutsu when accessing the nine tails chakra which seems likely since Naruto said he could only access a small portion of the chakra or something along those lines. Now to answer questions that I know you guys will ask. Especially those who like Naruto's Ninja Jesus Mode more then the demon cloak.


Random Question #1: Wouldn't Naruto's body be severely damaged by the demon cloak?

Well we didn't see any signs of injury from Killer Bee with cloak usage so I'd assume that when your in control, you don't have to worry about the side effects. I don't even think Naruto would have to worry about his lifespan being shortened anymore.


Random Question #2: Wouldn't Sakura be afraid of the demon cloak's chakra?

Maybe, but I'm sure it wouldn't get in the way of there relationship, hell I'd think it would be beneficial for NaruSaku. Naruo might feel a little insecure about transforming in front of Sakura, which is understandable. Sakura might feel a little uneasy when Naruto transforms but probably more because of the chakra itself. She would probably feel safe knowing that Naruto is in control, strengthening their trust for each other. But I'll let the big pairing debaters on this forum elaborate more on this one.


I'm not trying to bash anyone or anything and if it seems like I am, then I'm sorry.


P.S. Guy with the icon of L wagging his finger, Why do you hate the demon cloak so much!

What did it ever do to you!

[Serenity Namikaze]

God I'm so late with my post, sorry, been quite busy with work

I really love that chapter, in fact, I loved every chapter since Kushina's arrival. I really love how Kishi can change the tone so drastically. Chapter 504 was by far the most emotional one since Jiraya's death ( in my POV). Now, with chapter 505, not only do we are back to normal but we are also back with foolish nonsense

I don't know about you all but when I've read Gai's part, I was laughing and crying because of it for almost 15 minutes non stop. I don't agree with every time Kishi decide to switch the tone drastically like that ( example : the 'comic relief' when Naruto feel the effect of Saskura's poisoned kunai) but I must say that this change was in the right place and at the right moment and it was really refreshing. Naruto is more badass then before but I can't say enough how glad I am that he's also acting like the Naruto of before. He super duper strong but he hasn't mastered the Hiraishin ( I've read all the post arguing if it was the Hiraishin or the Shunshin but I put my vote with the first one) and he still need some training. I hope that we'll get to see a little flashback when Jiraya train Naruto to use THAT jutsu ( which, I could guess, is the Hiraishin), that could give us more explanation as to why Jiraya fell the need to train Naruto with THAT specific jutsu.

As for THE picture, I must admit that it was only when I've start reading the post of some of you guys that I've notice the hint. While I won't put that in my list of argument as to prove NaruSaku, I'll definitely consider it as a hint of closeness of both characters. I have to agree with everyone that says that these little hints put here and there are significant and that, as a mangaka, a picture can say a lot more that a 1000 word. However, I could also say that kishi is good with using his word as well. Maybe some of you complain that Kishi will ruin the romance aspect if he doesn't make a couple official soon ( I agree, I was a little disappointed that Naruto didn't mention the 'girlfriend' advice) however, I don't think that it would be the right moment now to put more specific proof. I think that the little hints here and there since Kushina's appearance is, not only enough so that it give hint that maybe, someday, Kishi will make an official couple in the end but also, it's enough to be actually useful for the main idea of the story.

[Zin]

I don't think it's something to worry about too much k9. It sounds like the transformation isn't even complete. Let's just wait and see...I really didn't think it looked that bad anyways though. Sure, the cloak was cool but it's not really Naruto; doesn't really suit him imo.

Edited by Zin, 06 August 2010 - 07:31 PM.

[Quinny52]

@harry4e - Considering that everyone only saw the flash of his hair and then he appeared right on top of Kisame, it's no surprise that no one saw him weave a hand sign. Then again, no panel was shown of him making one. But that doesn't really matter, seeing as how Sasuke can form a Chidori (A-rank) and Kakashi can form a Raikiri (S-rank) without having to weave signs, it's not all that surprising if Naruto can use a simple D-rank jutsu without any.

Trust me, when the time comes for Naruto to learn either FTG or 'that jutsu' or both in future arcs, Naruto's part of that arc will be dedicated to it. This arc is explaining the history of the Jinchuuriki, of Kushina, of the Uzumaki clan and the Land of Whirlpools, the events of 'that night', and Naruto finally controlling the fox's power, at least for this part of the arc so far. The next part will probably show all the preparations for the war.

Edited by Quinny52, 06 August 2010 - 07:35 PM.

[Chivalrysae]

@Serenity: Your Sig should read "Superficial: Sometimes what's on the inside shouldn't matter."

[Serenity Namikaze]

@Serenity: Your Sig should read "Superficial: Sometimes what's on the inside shouldn't matter."

yeah, I wanted to say something below but I didn't have enough space. Anyway, the picture itself is enough

Edit : Can't wait to see both Gai and Killer bee together...that alone, I'm sure, will give us an interesting entertainment

Edited by Serenity Namikaze, 06 August 2010 - 08:44 PM.

[shadow_Uzumaki]

@Serenity: Your Sig should read "Superficial: Sometimes what's on the inside shouldn't matter."

Seconded.

Though, to be honest, it could be that this Sage form is just the default form he goes into when accessing the Kyuubi. Since he's basically covered in chakra from what it looks like, it probably functions similarly...just in the shape of the Sage. In the end, without the Kyuubi's influence, he maintains a human's form and stance.

[Strangelove]

to do FTG you need a Kunai with a seal on it, that was basically Naruto moving at extreme fast rate of speed.

[shadow_Uzumaki]

to do FTG you need a Kunai with a seal on it, that was basically Naruto moving at extreme fast rate of speed.

That's pretty much it really. Simple as that. Bee was just amazed that all he could've seen of Naruto's movements was a yellow flash, from his hair.

Edited by shadow_Uzumaki, 06 August 2010 - 09:01 PM.

[K9ofChaos]

I don't think it's something to worry about too much k9. It sounds like the transformation isn't even complete. Let's just wait and see...I really didn't think it looked that bad anyways though. Sure, the cloak was cool but it's not really Naruto; doesn't really suit him imo.

Your saying that the possibility of Naruto turning DCV1/DCV2 isn't dead yet, right?


Does that mean I'm not the only one who wants Naruto to turn DCV1/DCV2 when he fights?


If Killer Bee saw a yellow flash, then it's got to be more advanced (*cough*cough*Flying Thunder God Jutsu*cough*cough*) then the teleportation jutsu, otherwise we would've seen a puff of smoke. Maybe Minato did something with the seal to help Naruto master the FTG jutsu in the future without the use of those special kunai.

[Zin]

Your saying that the possibility of Naruto turning DCV1/DCV2 isn't dead yet, right?


Does that mean I'm not the only one who wants Naruto to turn DCV1/DCV2 when he fights?


If Killer Bee saw a yellow flash, then it's got to be more advanced (*cough*cough*Flying Thunder God Jutsu*cough*cough*) then the teleportation jutsu, otherwise we would've seen a puff of smoke. Maybe Minato did something with the seal to help Naruto master the FTG jutsu in the future without the use of those special kunai.

I wouldn't say it's dead but...that was considerably different from his cloak. I'm saying this new transformation isn't complete. It might even look better than his cloak after being completed. *shrug*

Nah, I was actually saying I don't think the demon cloak really suits Naruto. It looks evil, and Naruto isn't evil at all...That being said, if this is actually what his new transformation(completed) looks like I think I would've preferred the cloak...But when it comes down to it...both transformations have been recycled and I'm hoping for something entirely new.

I don't see why Kishi would've directly alluded to the hiraishin technique if he actually did something completely different. The wording is really questionable if all he used was a shunshin...

[ShippudenGirl]

Yeah, I thought this was the second step. Isn't there more to it?

[Zin]

Yeah, I thought this was the second step. Isn't there more to it?

I believe Minato used level two on Madara, so I assume it'd be the third step.

Edited by Zin, 06 August 2010 - 09:30 PM.

[KungFuTruffle]

Your saying that the possibility of Naruto turning DCV1/DCV2 isn't dead yet, right?


Does that mean I'm not the only one who wants Naruto to turn DCV1/DCV2 when he fights?


If Killer Bee saw a yellow flash, then it's got to be more advanced (*cough*cough*Flying Thunder God Jutsu*cough*cough*) then the teleportation jutsu, otherwise we would've seen a puff of smoke. Maybe Minato did something with the seal to help Naruto master the FTG jutsu in the future without the use of those special kunai.

Not so. Ninja use various objects and ninjutsu to cover which direction they're moving when using shunshin no jutsu. Sasuke uses it all the time in Part II, but doesn't have smoke, leaves, or anything else covering it. There's such a thing as "Faster than sight travel", after all. Once you get to a certain speed, covering your tracks doesn't matter as much.

[K9ofChaos]

I wouldn't say it's dead but...that was considerably different from his cloak. I'm saying this new transformation isn't complete. It might even look better than his cloak after being completed. *shrug*

Nah, I was actually saying I don't think the demon cloak really suits Naruto. It looks evil, and Naruto isn't evil at all...That being said, if this is actually what his new transformation(completed) looks like I think I would've preferred the cloak...But when it comes down to it...both transformations have been recycled and I'm hoping for something entirely new.

I don't see why Kishi would've directly alluded to the hiraishin technique if he actually did something completely different. The wording is really questionable if all he used was a shunshin...

Well, I guess I'm alone on this one.


Who cares if it looks evil. Ichigo from Bleach has an evil looking hollow transformation yet he's a good guy, what kind of logic is there to get a different transformation when gaining control of a tailed beast just because the old one looked evil. If the demon cloak is the standard jinchuriki transformation (with the exception of Gaara in part 1) then I don't see why Naruto should be excused from this standard as well. Naruto said it himself that he tried deny that he was a jinchuriki by using his own power because that power was what got Sakura hurt at the bridge. He said he can no longer deny the fact that he's a jinchuriki and has excepted it. Going by that phrase, it would make more sense for Naruto's expectance of being a jinchuriki for him to transform into a demonic, monstrous, evil looking form. That way, it will show that Naruto is excepting of being a jinchuriki even though his appearence may look scary to others. Just because Naruto may look scary to some in the demon cloak, doesn't mean that it makes him a monster on the inside (when in control, of course) as well. That's what I believe.


EDIT: Naruto-Z, I think your on to something about Hinata looking murderous.


Are you implying that Hinata might become..................... EVIL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!





Nah, I'm just kidding.


But it could be a possibility.

Edited by K9ofChaos, 06 August 2010 - 10:33 PM.