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[narusaku256]

@Hanabi Yeah I figured that. Thanks for the link btw.

[Hanabi]

[Inferno180]

So apparently some fans have made a big deal over Sakura being involved and said kishi had to basically "kill naruto" to give sakura some screentime despite the fact it was minato, later obito who had the means to help him. Yet these same people are saying kishi killed his manga now because of leaving Hinata out and with naruto and sasuke all fixed up, it ruins Hinata.

 

Really its at this point, I don't know how I should even respond to this, I mean Sakura was put into the situation for three simple reasons:

1. She is a medic.

2. She is the heroine, also teammate and friend to naruto

3. Its not like she was the main priority in this situation she had a moderate part in this situation but not the major like Obito.

 

Really I am flabblergasted at people, espcially those who suck up everything hinata does as a beacon of purity and rant on all things sakura related, I mean this is just like the time Sakura healed Hinata, what were they honestly expecting? Sakura is a medic, they chant useless at her for years and then we have a situation where naruto is wounded, what do you do in the situation, have the hero lay dead or have someone with healing abilities try to save them? Seriously its like trying to ask how would Madara not complete his plan? He wanted to be the ten tails host, he became the ten tails host, at this point what were people expecting?

 

Really all these complaints fall under the 3 reasons:

 

1. Sakura was a medic, plain and simple, no matter if people hate or love sakura, they need to agree, you have a main character with healing powers, who else would you honestly expect to go with the hero in a wounded state? Yes Tsunade was a highly viable choice as well but her history with naruto isn't as impactful as sakuras especially considering naruto lost kurama. What did people expect Hinata to do? Heal him by loving him or using her gentle palm somehow? Sorry hinata isnt a medical ninja just because she was given the power in the chikara arc or just because she fixed a dislocated shoulder. All she was able to do in this situation was see his heart slow down and then she trips, thats the last we have seen of her.

 

2. Sakura is the heroine, his longtime friend, and love interest, in a situation like this, as corny and cliche as it sounds, even though I really think at times kishi has gone between unique to generic with his writing, the tried and true "hero is down, heroine is worried" situation works time and time again for a reason, generally because some new outcome puts all previous events together. Really even without needing to get into 631 or the kushina foreshadow its simple, seeing in chapter 3 how she hated naruto to 663 with her worried and remembering his dream and vowing not to let him die, how does this not overly simplify a changed dynamic from start to present? What dynamic is there with Hinata? A neutral relation that has hardly moved forward? or one like NS that began negative but grew ever positive in the series?

 

3. As said before, Sakura had a reason to come for stuff relating to naruto, being a medic, and being the support to save him though not directly (this was obitos redemption as we have seen) so with naruto now recovered, and sakura and obito in the dimension, its simple, Sakuras role in this was mainly her to naruto for development, aka the desire to keep him alive and let him become hokage. Yes it is more obito in this reason though, Obitos redemption, making amends, righting his wrongs, giving life back to the one who he intially wrecked, its like obito healing naruto was the act of amending for the disaster on the night he was born in which his parents were killed, kurama was sealed into him, and garnered the hate towards naruto. Well as we saw in the entirety of the series, naruto was born to a hell but made a good thing out of it and overcame all the trouble. Yes sakura had her role but the incident highly involved obito too. Heck its enough to mention sakura being skeptical of obito was part of this confrontation too, she wanted him to live but was worried what obito, the former enemy was going to do, you cannot blame sakura for being skeptical, she is protective of naruto and since what happened all this time, its no suprise narutos safety is her priority.

 

So now with Naruto waking up (in his inner world), and Sakura and Obito still by him, in the kamui dimension, with sasuke recovered and about to get the rinnegan, with guy having given an ass beating to madara he so rightfully deserved, just what is left for Hinata that is even foreseeable as important? Sakura got her time with this incident, so what can Hinata do if Naruto is fixed and soon to fight madara with sasuke? The answer is a big fat nothing, there is no foreseeable event, even importance for hinata in this arc anymore. Nothing that can even occur making her, the clan, or practically even neji important at this point. She has no purpose in the current situation in terms of character, association, ability, or even connective development, there is no way or even reason at this point for such events like pain or 615 to occur as many NH fans want. The pain and 615 will be resolved later, but in the current timeframe, not at all. Fans want more and more hinata, but at this point, these fans are going to be disappointed, we just ended a short volume of despair, so if a big fight occurs what can hinata do? Just watch in relief knowing that naruto is alright, other than that, suddenly seeing team 10 or 8 come to the fight like team guy, its going to be a situation in which:

"hey guys we are here to help, oh wait naruto is fine" Thats it, thats really it. The naruto in trouble situation is done, Hinata isn't even needed at this point. Madara is the only one who remains to be beaten and we know its naruto and sasuke to do that. Sakura had her role and even though its ending soon, it was still development, still her in the hero's worst situation, her helping naruto in his biggest time of need.

 

Really this is another year of lockout for Hinata by all means, while I can be wrong, we know what is going to take a good chunk of the year, the fight against madara. And this is just another big long running problem for NH, little development, kishi had another chance recently for it, he could have had hinata get on that sand cloud but he left her behind. Sorry if this sounds cruel but its the truth. While NS had development recently and may in the next coming chapters, NH remains behind hurting it even more.

[TouKen4Life3g]

Question of the Day:

 

Do you let the environment (people outside here and there) change your view at NS and your confidence? Example: One day I feel like NS will be canon, just have to wait. The next day spending out there, I feel like NH will take down NS in the upcoming chapters.

[BakeNeko-Chan]

Question of the Day:

 

Do you let the environment (people outside here and there) change your view at NS and your confidence? Example: One day I feel like NS will be canon, just have to wait. The next day spending out there, I feel like NH will take down NS in the upcoming chapters.

 

I hope I don't sound cocky, but no, it doesn't really affect me. My confidence in NS is pretty set, and anti comments don't bring it down. Though I won't lie and say the whole fiasco with 615 didn't shake that confidence for a bit, there was so much negativity everywhere that it was hard to not be brought down by it, but since then I've reached a point of becoming more... relaxed I guess you could say towards the pairing wars. Anti-NS arguments don't bother me anymore and pro- NH/SS arguments don't give me cause for doubt because the evidence just isn't in their favor.

 

The only thing that really bothers me in the pairing wars is when people resort to bashing and hating and name-calling simply because they have different opinions. It's sad to see and all sides are guilty of this.

Edited by BakeNeko-Chan, 20 March 2014 - 09:17 PM.

[TyranntX]

Guys, I have seen many NS childhood pics like the one I've attached below. Are they really canon or they appear only in anime or are they just fanart? If they appear in anime can someone give me the link to these episodes?

 

Found it http://www.narutoget...en-episode-314/

[luffyq1]

Question of the Day:

 

Do you let the environment (people outside here and there) change your view at NS and your confidence? Example: One day I feel like NS will be canon, just have to wait. The next day spending out there, I feel like NH will take down NS in the upcoming chapters.

Change my view? It's much more complicated than that. I can't even get any sleep anymore because I'm afraid I'll have dreams of NH becoming canon. I'm so scared of NH becoming canon because of it's fans. It's to the point where I think even my professor is a NH shipper even though he doesn't watch anime. I can't trust anyone anymore. 

Edited by luffyq1, 20 March 2014 - 09:43 PM.

[KnS]

Question of the Day:

 

Do you let the environment (people outside here and there) change your view at NS and your confidence? Example: One day I feel like NS will be canon, just have to wait. The next day spending out there, I feel like NH will take down NS in the upcoming chapters.

 

No, the attitude and beliefs of other pairing fans never change my mind.

 

It would be one thing if the other pairings had anything solid, believable, or compelling about them to suggest they are actually viable.  But in the absence of anything that can be rationally perceived as evidence?  No.

 

See, I didn't choose NS or start supporting them on a whim, or because I really liked the idea of them and want to see them together.  I don't want Sakura with Naruto just because I like her better than the other female characters, or for any other personal reason that is not supported by the plot of the story.

 

I have believed, from #3, that NS was the relationship Kishimoto is working toward.  I invested in them because of my instincts as a reader.  

 

I always prefer canon pairings, but if none are obvious I keep my mind open.  Once the author makes his or her intentions clear, then that's where my emotional investment goes.  If the author keeps several possibilities alive throughout most of the story, like Collins did in the Hunger Games series, then I still keep my mind open even if I prefer one pairing over another.

 

As far as I'm concerned, it's best to let the author steer their story rather than a reader choosing their preferred course for the plot, characters, romances, etc., and then be disappointed or feel betrayed when it doesn't happen.

 

In the case of Naruto, it's been clear from both Naruto's AND Kishimoto's perspective from the beginning and hasn't changed.  Sakura-chan.  

 

The fear and dogging doubts that NH and SS represent a true threat come from fans who lack confidence in what their reading senses tell them, or from fans who purposely expose themselves to the irrational -- albeit passionate -- beliefs of fans of other pairings, and mistake that passion and dedication for substantial proof there is reason to question Kishimoto's intentions..

 

That leads to some fans becoming convinced that Kishimoto is a troll who is not only willing but likely to sabotage his life's work to pull off some last-minute, nonsensical bait-and-switch gag on his fanbase.

 

I happen to believe Kishimoto means what he has carefully written.  Naruto will win the heart of the girl he loved in the beginning, and loves now.  There is no reason to think otherwise.

Edited by KnS, 20 March 2014 - 09:52 PM.

[TheFirstEvil100]

Question of the Day:

 

Do you let the environment (people outside here and there) change your view at NS and your confidence? Example: One day I feel like NS will be canon, just have to wait. The next day spending out there, I feel like NH will take down NS in the upcoming chapters.

No it won't, I mean we will never know which one will be canon with either NH or NS and we can only wait to see what will happen not only next week but the coming chapters as well. I have faith that Kishi will do what is right and pick the right end pairing, so my last words are just wait have faith and see what Kishi will do.

[TyranntX]

Question of the Day:

 

Do you let the environment (people outside here and there) change your view at NS and your confidence? Example: One day I feel like NS will be canon, just have to wait. The next day spending out there, I feel like NH will take down NS in the upcoming chapters.

 

Hell no, There has been too much NS build up for me to doubt that it will go canon. NH died before it even had a chance, its all teasers now a days. but it dose kind of tick me off when people think that NS is down and out for any reason involving Hinata (especaily if it takes place after the part when she said she loves Naruto, Witch I think KILLED NH rather than confirmed it)

 

Here's MY question of the day..... where do you thin NH even spawned from? where and when do you think fans started to root for this pairing?

[MoonDrop04]

Question of the Day:
 
Do you let the environment (people outside here and there) change your view at NS and your confidence? Example: One day I feel like NS will be canon, just have to wait. The next day spending out there, I feel like NH will take down NS in the upcoming chapters.

Yeah sure from time to time but coming on here and reading everyone's clear responses of NS clears up my resolve Everytime so I'm Cool!!! X)

[KnS]

No it won't, I mean we will never know which one will be canon with either NH or NS and we can only wait to see what will happen not only next week but the coming chapters as well. I have faith that Kishi will do what is right and pick the right end pairing, so my last words are just wait have faith and see what Kishi will do.

 

Similar to TyranntX's question, I would truly like to understand how NH is possible if Naruto is not interested in Hinata romantically?

 

+ It has been proven in multiple ways, multiple times that Naruto loves Sakura.

+ Naruto still adds the chan honorific when speaking to or about Sakura.

+ The look on Naruto's face when Sakura said she loved him is unlike any other expression he has ever had in the manga.

+ Sakura gave Naruto a chance to say he didn't like her/want her anymore, but he did not.

+ Naruto admitted to his father that Sakura was more or less his girlfriend.

 

In the presence of these facts -- and the complete absence of anything similar from Naruto to Hinata -- how is NH even considered alive, much less a threat that must continually be added as a disclaimer to pairing conclusions in the story?

 

I mean these questions sincerely.  What, other than irrational fear and lack of confidence, suggests Naruto is going to change his mind and choose Hinata over Sakura at the very end?

Edited by KnS, 20 March 2014 - 10:27 PM.

[MoonDrop04]

Ok this is weird but I just gotta throw this one out here!!! All of a sudden I just got an image in my head of next weeks chapter with one page showing a side by side panel of Naruto and Sakura with the same shocked and confused expressions on their faces and both saying "What do you mean!?".......am I tripping or something cause that just came out of the blue in my head XD lol

[sushi.]

Ok this is weird but I just gotta throw this one out here!!! All of a sudden I just got an image in my head of next weeks chapter with one page showing a side by side panel of Naruto and Sakura with the same shocked and confused expressions on their faces and both saying "What do you mean!?".......am I tripping or something cause that just came out of the blue in my head XD lol

what do you mean

[TheFirstEvil100]

 

Similar to TyranntX's question, I would truly like to understand how NH is possible if Naruto is not interested in Hinata romantically?

 

+ It has been proven in multiple ways, multiple times that Naruto loves Sakura.

+ Naruto still adds the chan honorific when speaking to or about Sakura.

+ The look on Naruto's face when Sakura said she loved him is unlike any other expression he has ever had in the manga.

+ Sakura gave Naruto a chance to say he didn't like her/want her anymore, but he did not.

+ Naruto admitted to his father that Sakura was more or less his girlfriend.

 

In the presence of these facts -- and the complete absence of anything similar from Naruto to Hinata -- how is NH even considered alive, much less a threat that must continually be added as a disclaimer to pairing conclusions in the story?

 

I mean these questions sincerely.  What, other than irrational fear and lack of confidence, suggests Naruto is going to change his mind and choose Hinata over Sakura at the very end?

Oh true I have Faith NS will be canon in the end I just want to wait and be clam about it I mean all we need is that one moment that will destroy NH once and for all.

 

As for how the NH fans think its possible or why well we just have to look at both the Anime Fillers and the Manga.

[TouKen4Life3g]

Wow, there are great responses here. To answer my own question, no, it doesn't change my view/opinion. I always stick to my word, though it can get better or remain the same such as noticing NS is more developed than I originally thought. That's why it's a shame at times to see one person here being all happy and then the next day, feeling doubt. I won't blame you for that feeling, but don't let them change your own view. You can discuss it and get more details, but don't falter so much.

 

Thank you for answering it. Anyone who hasn't are free to answer it still.

[TyranntX]

man, I bet the NH fans are STEAMED about all the NS build up! 

[KnS]

Oh true I have Faith NS will be canon in the end I just want to wait and be clam about it I mean all we need is that one moment that will destroy NH once and for all.

 

As for how the NH fans think its possible or why well we just have to look at both the Anime Fillers and the Manga.

 

But that's my question.  Why is "that one moment" necessary to destroy something that doesn't exist?  There is no NH without N, and we know that N is himself 100% hardcore NS.  

 

As for anime fillers and manga?  I was talking about the manga.  It is in the manga that it is clearly and consistently proven that there is no N in NH.  It's just H.  NH fans can cheer Hinata on as much and as loudly as they want, but the relationship will never go anywhere as long as Naruto loves Sakura.

 

And I wasn't really talking about NH fans.  I know why they choose to believe NH is possible.  But I don't understand why NS fans continue to tack a disclaimer onto everything they say/write about NS -- as if not conceding that NH could actually happen will somehow jinx NS or make Naruto (or Kishimoto) magically change his mind.  Really?

 

And these are general comments, not intended toward anyone in particular.

Edited by KnS, 20 March 2014 - 10:48 PM.

[TheFirstEvil100]

man, I bet the NH fans are STEAMED about all the NS build up! 

Not really they just change it to the way that they like it saying it didn't happen or we are wrong or we are Zombies that is what the NH call us on DA.

[TyranntX]

Not really they just change it to the way that they like it saying it didn't happen or we are wrong or we are Zombies that is what the NH call us on DA.

 and that my fellow NS fan is how much they are in denial... they SAY things like that, but deep down they are seriousy pissed off.

 

Yeah 800 pages!!!!!!!!

Edited by TyranntX, 20 March 2014 - 10:48 PM.