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[Nostradamus]

 

 

Question is whose grave are they visiting? 

Hinata's.

[LuckyChi7]

someone said these were made to replace the Naruhina and sasusaku ending.

 

?

 

 

 

OMG it's little Tamaki, she looks so adorbs 

[DeathGodMack]

Hinata's.

I think they are planting flowers.

[Hiraishin]

someone said these were made to replace the Naruhina and sasusaku ending.
 

?

whoever did this is really talented, it looks real. Except.. Where are Karin's glasses? I saw a version where she had them, though they didn't look that good.

Hinata's.

lmao

Edited by Hiraishin, 10 April 2015 - 02:19 AM.

[Nar123]

@nar123
I think it's jiraiya who said that.

Yup.

Kishi never truly explore the truth uchiha massacre Eventhought it's the most flashback in this series. It never answer the question like why uchiha need to be massacre? Why obito and danzo has collection of uchiha eye? Why uchiha sharingan already active with three tomoe, this is not killua clan right? Where's uchiha in the night of naruto born? What is orochimaru involvement?

 

Yep, without these plot holes answered we have few things to take as certain regarding the whole event

 

 

1. Danzo had no way to make the Uchiha just blindly attack the village, had they done nothing and stayed loyal he wouldn't have been able to use them. It was their own stupidity that caused there death.

 

2. Couldn't be helped? Of course it could have been helped they weren't slaved following orders, they were free men and women who put their shellfish interest above the lives of their fellow citizens, the men and women of different clans and families that they grew up with. They had no problem killing some of them had it meant they would once again be on top of the hierarchy.

 

3. You said the Uchiha were "innocent" meaning they weren't guilty. They were guilty, they weren't innocent or pure as the wind driven snow, they caused their own downfall.

 

4. Deductive reasoning lead the Third to believe that it was likely an Uchiha, which it was. Obito Uchiha released the nine tails. Still even with the likelihood of an Uchiha being the guilty party to the tragedy that had fallen his village he still appealed to the Uchiha's goodness, and counted on their ability to prove to the rest of the village that they were loyal to the Leaf. Of course facts show that they weren't.

 

5. Obitio is an Uchiha it holds as fact that an Uchiha attacked the Leaf. Had the rest of the Uchiha worked with the village and done what the Third asked of them they would not have been killed. Instead they proved all of their detractors rights and selfishly choose to put their own ambitions above the safety of the village. Why? Because they are the strongest and the best, their might gives them the right. They are to good to be "lowly" police officers. No not the Uchiha they are better then that.... which lead them to their grave.

 

1) Speculations, you are understimating Danzo's craftyness, it is thanks to his actions that the massacre ocurred

 

2)They are a proud clan, think of Vegeta in DBZ in a situation like that and you will have your answer.

I'm not defending the uchiha I'm just saying there is no way they would stay quiet considering how they are

 

3)You misunderstood me

I said they were innocent on the fact that Konoha accused them of using the kyuubi (based on rumors) , a fact that its not confirmed as truth and as such it should be take as doubtful

"They are innocent regarding this until the contrary is proven/revealed"

However, regarding the massacre they hav as much blame as konoha

 

4) Deductive reasoning but no proofs for anyone to take it as truth

It is not revealed that Obito had ties to the uchiha in the village, and as such its false to accuse them of participation in the kyuubi attack

The uchiha's already felt humiliated, and theyn they should just stay quiet and accept pity gifts to avoid a war? This would be the right thing to do, but a prideful clan as the uchiha didn't even considered it as an option.

And IMO even if they had fgo by the rules Danzo would find a way to destroy them

 

5) You are excusing konoha's action

-we have no confirmation of uchiha involvement with Obito

Besides

- A prideful clan such as the uchiha would simply not bow down

-Danzo's machinations

-The third staying quiet

-Konoha falsely accusing and starting the whole thing

 

In sum, boh konoha and the uchiha are at fault

 

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I will sleep now, will answer future answers tommorow

 

g'night guys

Edited by Nar123, 10 April 2015 - 12:49 PM.

[Nar123]

So at this point you guys have zero faith/hope left? I still have some hope/faith left.

Jeez

Its over man

[Swagkura]

Question is whose grave are they visiting?

I would say Tsunade(if she had died).

[Nostradamus]

Jeez

Its over man

[NarutoUzumaki01]

Hinata's.

Killing joke 

 

You on fire     

Edited by NarutoUzumaki01, 10 April 2015 - 02:31 AM.

[rocci]

@whyidowatch
Griffith must die.
Griffith is what happen if sasuke sacrifice k 11 to jubi in order to gain immortality and power + lipstick. And rape sakura to spite naruto.
Griffith is one of the most awesome hateful villain.

I don't think he's comparable with madara. Aizen is more better villain character than madara.

[Nostradamus]

You on fire     

 

[Atheck]

 

...you actually made a good point Atheck 

 

but to understand it better why Hiruzen didn't killed Orochimaru and if it made sense or no, we would need to understand why Orochimaru became like that, his backstory was never fully explored tho

 

Did he always had this behavior? If it's such the case then the Third showed a very bad reason of character by taking him as student

If he did not alwasy had this behavior, what made him turn out like that? It was just a drive to be an all powerful / immortal ? How did this drive came to be?

 

Contrary to most other villains, Orochimaru in his earlier beginnings wasn't motivated by some idealistic desire to end conflict or poverty or corruption. It was the deaths of Orochimaru's parents that first prompted him to delve into the sordid realm of necromantic ritual and immortality. He wanted to see his parents who had died because of undisclosed circumstances. There was no specific reference to a person or war that could have taken their lives. He yearned to see his family again before he became so engrossed in the study that he lost perspective of his old motives and was only interested in transforming himself into an all-knowing immortal who likes to stir up conflicts for his personal amusement.   

 

Hiruzen noticed that Orochimaru was an eccentric child with a deep fascination for the peculiar. That probably should have been cause for concern right there, but I suppose Hiruzen was too blinded by his affections for his star pupil to address his morbid fascination with eternal life. 

 

Orochimaru wasn't some misunderstood child with anger issues towards society. He began his experimentations on human subjects for no reason other than his moral compass had deteriorated over the years as his mania grew. What finally compelled him to abandon Konoha was that Hiruzen passed him up for the Hokageship. But he was a selfish sociopath with an unethical fascination for dissecting people to test the limits of human endurance, acquire techniques, and achieve his perversive form of immortality. He had no one to blame but himself so he fled the village like a spoiled brat who didn't get his way. 

 

True, and Jiraya failed as well on the account. Another reason that I thought the foreshadowing of "Naruto surpassing his elders" hinted at him having to face the facts of this world, and instead of selfishly putting his desires to save Sasuke front and center instead would realize that in order to be a true leader one must stick up for the rights and liberties of your people, the same way Naruto's very own father did.

 

And I'll give the Third this much credit at least in the very end he understood how big of a mistake he made with Oro and at least tried to kill him by taking his soul from this dimension and therefor ending his existence from the mortal wolrd. He just wasn't strong enough and instead was only able to take his arms. Had he been strong enough Oro would have died.

 

Still I think Sasuke would have ended up leaving the village anyways and likely would have just become a student of Kabuto instead. Sasuke didn't care who taught him how to become more powerful then Itachi, he just didn't believe anyone in the village could or would teach him how to be that strong. Plus we must also be reminded that canon wise he was also "jealous" of Naruto by this point which also pushed him out of the village so he could find someone stronger to teach him.

 

Eh... I'm not too sure about Sasuke defecting. The Curse Seal was injected with Orochimaru's essence, and it continued to crop up whenever Sasuke was in a life-or-death situation. Sasuke had an inferiority/superiority complex that spiked as Naruto's continual progress became more apparent to him. He became jealously vexed with Naruto and could be seen training himself more intensely after the Sound/Sand Invasion arc, but it was largely thanks to Orochimaru's poking and prodding that influenced Sasuke to such a degree that he chose his personal ambitions over the new life he was starting with his surrogate family. 

 

Remember what Orochimaru told Kabuto after the preliminaries had ended? Sasuke was being gradually turned away from vengeance because of Naruto's influence. He felt it necessary to separate them as quickly as possible so that the Uchiha could be "dyed in his own colours", as it was so eloquently put. Without Orochimaru extending his offer, Sasuke might have doubled down on his training with Kakashi to maintain his #1 status, but he would have no incentive to leave and his aggression might have been limited to a committed yet friendly rivalry with Naruto à la EoZ Vegeta and Goku.

 

Kabuto wouldn't even be a factor since it was due to Orochimaru that he became a two-faced immoral lab assistant dedicated to the pursuit of acquiring ultimate knowledge

Edited by Atheck, 10 April 2015 - 02:46 AM.

[Tiller]

Eh... I'm not too sure about Sasuke defecting. The Curse Seal was injected with Orochimaru's essence, and it continued to crop up whenever Sasuke was in a life-or-death situation. Sasuke had an inferiority/superiority complex that spiked as Naruto's continual progress became more apparent to him. He became jealously vexed with Naruto and could be seen training himself more intensely after the Sound/Sand Invasion arc, but it was largely thanks to Orochimaru's poking and prodding that influenced Sasuke to such a degree that he chose his personal ambitions over the new life he was starting with his surrogate family. 

 

Remember what Orochimaru told Kabuto after the preliminaries had ended? Sasuke was being gradually turned away from vengeance because of Naruto's influence. He felt it necessary to separate them as quickly as possible so that the Uchiha could be "dyed in his own colours", as it was so eloquently put. Without Orochimaru extending his offer, Sasuke might have doubled down on his training with Kakashi to maintain his #1 status, but he would have no incentive to leave and his aggression might have been limited to a committed yet friendly rivalry with Naruto à la EoZ Vegeta and Goku.

 

Kabuto wouldn't even be a factor since it was due to Orochimaru that he became a two-faced immoral lab assistant dedicated to the pursuit of acquiring ultimate knowledge

 

I believe that Sasuke would have turned evil with or without Orochimaru, but that's something that now would be little more then a fan fiction battle between us. lol You are right about Kabuto of course which I didn't think of right away. I was trying to think of a powerful outsider not connected directly with Akatsuki that he may have gone towards.

 

Sasuke's problem is that his entire personality is built around the ideal of revenge. The further you go down that path the more of your humanity you begin to lose. Once Itachi attacked and Sasuke could do nothing to stop him, he was destined to search else where to get more power, at least in my opinion.

Edited by Tiller, 10 April 2015 - 03:11 AM.

[Change]

So at this point you guys have zero faith/hope left? I still have some hope/faith left.

Well in my opinion, faith and hope are two meaningless words 

 

Imagine if Kishi and Oda switched stories like 7 years ago... how different would both mangas be...

Edited by TheMagicConch, 10 April 2015 - 03:16 AM.

[AHK]

Well in my opinion, faith and hope are two meaningless words 
 
Imagine if Kishi and Oda switched stories like 7 years ago... how different would both mangas be...

Don't you even dare suggest that Kishi lay his grubby hands on OP




Lol

[MoonDrop04]

So at this point you guys have zero faith/hope left? I still have some hope/faith left.

Ah what the hell I'm optimistic!!! I'll Ride Or Die With Ya!!! Lol

[Change]

Don't you even dare suggest that Kishi lay his grubby hands on OP




Lol

Who do you think would become Hinata and Sakura?

Watch Zoro leave because of some bs reason and well you know the rest

[Tiller]

 

Guys and Dolls the fat lady has been singing for so long she went to get a drink, drank it, and is now signing again. It's dead, all over, baring a reboot.

[AHK]

Who do you think would become Hinata and Sakura?
Watch Zoro leave because of some bs reason and well you know the rest

[luffyq1]

Who do you think would become Hinata and Sakura?

Watch Zoro leave because of some bs reason and well you know the rest

you make me weak luffy. my bond with you is getting in the way of besting mihawk. goodbye captain.