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[Nar123]

I really don't blame him considering the massive views his Naruto videos get compared to his other series..

 

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Danzo would have had nothing had the Uchiha sat down, shut up about their pride, and proved themselves to the other clans. The Uchiha choosing to fight the village and try to take power away from the Third is how they were executed. Had they simply done what was asked of them and proved themselves to the village they wouldn't have died. The Uchiha played right into Danzo's hands because they couldn't let their precious pride go, and put it in front of the lives of their fellow citizens.

 

The Uchiha died because they were one of the four original noble families, and thought they were the strongest and therefor above the other clans. They couldn't "accept" such a lowering of their station, so they choose to gather arms and planned on killing off the rest of their fellow citizens until they were put back on top. They were not innocent people, nor a good clan. A "good" clan would have realized that the lives of innocent people mater more then their social standing, and would have worked to improve themselves threw their actions, instead they condemned themselves because of their actions.

 

Further it was an Uchiha that controlled the 9 tails and caused him to attack the village, it was Obito Uchiha who took Naruto and released the beast forcing the 4th's hand and turning Naruto into an orphan that would be hated by the village, instead of him being basically a crown prince. The villages suspicion wasn't wrong on that count. The fact that the Third knew that it was an Uchiha and instead of choosing the kill of the whole clan right then and there, instead gave them the chance to proves themselves further shows that the Uchiha brought this upon themselves more then the village did anything wrong to them.

 

A few points 

 

+ You are excusing Danzo's intentions and plans. What guarantee you have that such a crafty person would have done nothing? Even extra material revealed he went after Shisui to stop him from trying to stop the Uchiha's actions. I don't think Danzo would have kept quiet just because the uchiha were "behaving well", he would likely find something to blame them and incite the massacre

 

+ The Uchiha had their proudness as a main characteristc they wouldn't stay quiet like that, it really couldn't be helped

 

+ I never said the Uchiha were a good clan tho, they have their blame too

 

+ The third didn't know a Uchiha controlled the kyuubi, it was only rumor because once in the past  an uchiha did it too 

 

+ As far as we know Obito was acting alone, his involvement with the clan was never confirmed and as such the Uchiha are innocent in this regard until proven otherwise. Kishimoto never bothered to explain it, if he had indeed confirmed the uchiha contributed to the kyuubi attack due to their sheer greediness for power then I would admit that the uchiha are more at blame for the events in the massacre than konoha

Edited by Nar123, 10 April 2015 - 01:54 AM.

[TouKen4Life3g]

I can't say much about his other videos, but I never found his (or forneverworld's) Naruto reviews particularly insightful.

It's more about what audience are you grasping. For example:

"Very informative chapter *insert descriptions*

Audience: .....

"The problem with this chapter is..."

Audience: .....

"So...NaruHina. Got that little hand touch"

Audience: Oh hell yeah, that was kittening awesome!"

Edited by NaruSaku4Life3g, 10 April 2015 - 01:44 AM.

[HuskyLover]

There are just too many NaruTards on Youtube.

 

I try to avoid the Naruto section as much as possible.

[Nar123]

While not fully explained, it was stated that when his parents died he became obsessed with trying to resurrect them and ultimately became who he is......

 

Did it? Do you have a source or something? 

However it still begs the question how he went from trying to resurrect his parents to the crazy monster he became

 

 

Well, if we're lucky , we might get that backstory in the movie or spin off. That's of course if Orochimaru returns as the villain that is

 

No thanks, Kishi would probably ruin this too

 

 

The problem is that Konoha had probable cause to suspect the Uchiha in the first place, stemming from two occurrences:

1.) not a single Uchiha participated in the effort to save Konoha from Kurama if I recall correctly, that was pointed out by another member here and
2.) there are only two Kekkei Genkai that could completely subdue the Bijuu: Mokuton and the Sharingan. Mokuton died with the first, and I don't think is necessary to provide an excuse as to why it couldn't have been Tenzo. Which leaves...

 

1) It was me that pointed this out btw, and this could have happened due to a different reasons. The Sharingan is a specific doujutsu that manifest in only a few people of the clan for example so it begs the question of how were this people, etc. We don't have a very big picture of it outside of Shisui, Fugaku, Itachi and the few high clan members who wanted to revolt

 

2) Couldn't the kyuubi have somehow broke the seal and attacked on his own, it is a reason to be considered? There is no proof that a uchiha controlled it outside of Kushina and Minato as live spectators, and they died. So really only rumors pointed to the uchiha and konoha chose to act upon them. 

It is still unknown if Obito was allied with them somehow since this was never explained by Kishi, as it was never explained it's safe to say the uchiha were falsely accused by konoha, because the village didn't had enough proof and we, as the readers, still don't know if the uchiha had a hand on the kyuubi attack

Edited by Nar123, 10 April 2015 - 01:53 AM.

[DeathGodMack]

someone said these were made to replace the Naruhina and sasusaku ending.

 

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Edited by DeathGodMack, 10 April 2015 - 02:09 AM.

[Tiller]

 

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A few points 

 

+ You are excusing Danzo's intentions and plans. What guarantee you have that such a crafty person would have done nothing? Even extra material revealed he went after Shisui to stop him form trying to stop the Uchiha's actions. I don't think Danzo would have kept quiet just because the uchiha were "behaving well", he would likely find something to blame them and incite the massacre

 

+ The Uchiha had their proudness as a main characteristc they wouldn't stay quiet like that, it really couldn't be helped

 

+ I never said the Uchiha were a good clan tho, they have their blame too

 

+ The third didn't know a Uchiha controlled the kyuubi, it was only rumor because once in the past the an uchiha did it too 

 

+ As far as we know Obito was acting alone, his involvement with the clan was never confirmed and as such the Uchiha are innocent in this regard until proven otherwise. Kishimoto never bothered to explain it, if he had indeed confirmed the uchiha contributed to the kyuubi attack due to their sheer greediness for power then I would admit that the uchiha are more at blame for the events in the massacre than konoha

 

1. Danzo had no way to make the Uchiha just blindly attack the village, had they done nothing and stayed loyal he wouldn't have been able to use them. It was their own stupidity that caused there death.

 

2. Couldn't be helped? Of course it could have been helped they weren't slaved following orders, they were free men and women who put their shellfish interest above the lives of their fellow citizens, the men and women of different clans and families that they grew up with. They had no problem killing some of them had it meant they would once again be on top of the hierarchy.

 

3. You said the Uchiha were "innocent" meaning they weren't guilty. They were guilty, they weren't innocent or pure as the wind driven snow, they caused their own downfall.

 

4. Deductive reasoning lead the Third to believe that it was likely an Uchiha, which it was. Obito Uchiha released the nine tails. Still even with the likelihood of an Uchiha being the guilty party to the tragedy that had fallen his village he still appealed to the Uchiha's goodness, and counted on their ability to prove to the rest of the village that they were loyal to the Leaf. Of course facts show that they weren't.

 

5. Obitio is an Uchiha it holds as fact that an Uchiha attacked the Leaf. Had the rest of the Uchiha worked with the village and done what the Third asked of them they would not have been killed. Instead they proved all of their detractors rights and selfishly choose to put their own ambitions above the safety of the village. Why? Because they are the strongest and the best, their might gives them the right. They are to good to be "lowly" police officers. No not the Uchiha they are better then that.... which lead them to their grave.

[NarutoUzumaki01]

someone said these were from made to replace the Naruhina and sasusaku ending.
 

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lol, russian edit.

[rocci]

@nar123
I think it's jiraiya who said that.

Yup.

Kishi never truly explore the truth uchiha massacre Eventhought it's the most flashback in this series. It never answer the question like why uchiha need to be massacre? Why obito and danzo has collection of uchiha eye? Why uchiha sharingan already active with three tomoe, this is not killua clan right? Where's uchiha in the night of naruto born? What is orochimaru involvement?

[DeathGodMack]

lol, russian edit.

Could still be true.

[Nostradamus]

someone said these were made to replace the Naruhina and sasusaku ending.

 

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Obvious fanmade. However unlike the original this is actually believable.

[Nar123]

someone said these were made to replace the Naruhina and sasusaku ending.

 

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This is an edit...

[Swagkura]

someone said these were made to replace the Naruhina and sasusaku ending.
 

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Wow, this actually looks great. Lmao, Himawari(whatever her name is here) looks a 1000x more better than the cleaning utensil in canon.

[Namikaze Clan]

someone said these were made to replace the Naruhina and sasusaku ending.
 

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Wow, whoever did this did a great job. The girl is a thousand times cuter than Mophead that's for sure

[Tiller]

 

 

2) Couldn't the kyuubi have somehow broke the seal and attacked on his own, it is a reason to be considered? There is no proof that a uchiha controlled it outside of Kushina and Minato as live spectators, and they died. So really only rumors pointed to the uchiha and konoha chose to act upon them. 

It is still unknown if Obito was allied with them somehow since this was never explained by Kishi, as it was never explained it's safe to say the uchiha were falsely accused by konoha, because the village didn't had enough proof and we, as the readers, still don't know if the uchiha had a hand on the kyuubi attack

 

Minato and his wife were found dead alongside their son. Obito killed the ANUB guards midwives. Obitio took Naruto planning to use him to make sure Mianto wouldn't interfere. After Minato got his son back, Obitio took Kushina and extracted the nine tails from her, and then sent him loose on the village. So the evidence was such:

 

1. The forth and his wife were found dead together along with their new born child. The Third witnessed their sacrifice and knew what they had done for the village and in order to save their child.

2. ANUB body guards and midwifes (including the Thirds wife mind you) were found dead obviously by a human's hand.

3.The Nine tails had directly attacked the village. He didn't randomly just start destroying things as had happened in the past he went straight to attack the village. After Obitio lost control he continued to attack the village out of hatred.

4. Itachi reported that his parents were no where to be found during the attack.

 

Under such evidence it was known that someone had caused the release of the nine tails. Which lead to people fearing the Uchiha.

Still even so, even with the murder of his own wife, the Third tried to keep peace in his village.... until the Uchiha's pride got the better of them that is.

[luffyq1]

someone said these were made to replace the Naruhina and sasusaku ending.

 

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lol still a crap end.

[WhyDoIWatch]

 

Did it? Do you have a source or something? 

However it still begs the question how he went from trying to resurrect his parents to the crazy monster he became

 

Jiraya and Tsunade both say this, Jiraya I think said this to Naruto in the Pain Arc flashback and I forgot when Tsunade said it. It was Hiruzen who told him about the White Snake symbolizing rebirth and that also encouraged him, and lets not forget Orochimaru isn't evil for the sake of it rather he does what can to help him with his goals.

 

 

Your sig...

 

 

lol, Griffith's awesome, fave but yeah he's pretty kittened up. Though I don't see how he's worse than Madara as they both did what they could for their goals 

[DeathGodMack]

So at this point you guys have zero faith/hope left? I still have some hope/faith left.

[LuckyChi7]

Wow, whoever did this did a great job. The girl is a thousand times cuter than Mophead that's for sure

 

 

Question is whose grave are they visiting? 

[luffyq1]

So at this point you guys have zero faith/hope left? I still have some hope/faith left.

faith that bolt will repair this series.

[AHK]

 

Did it? Do you have a source or something? 

However it still begs the question how he went from trying to resurrect his parents to the crazy monster he became

 

 

 

No thanks, Kishi would probably ruin this too

 

 

 

1) It was me that pointed this out btw, and this could have happened due to a different reasons. The Sharingan is a specific doujutsu that manifest in only a few people of the clan for example so it begs the question of how were this people, etc. We don't have a very big picture of it outside of Shisui, Fugaku, Itachi and the few high clan members who wanted to revolt

 

2) Couldn't the kyuubi have somehow broke the seal and attacked on his own, it is a reason to be considered? There is no proof that a uchiha controlled it outside of Kushina and Minato as live spectators, and they died. So really only rumors pointed to the uchiha and konoha chose to act upon them. 

It is still unknown if Obito was allied with them somehow since this was never explained by Kishi, as it was never explained it's safe to say the uchiha were falsely accused by konoha, because the village didn't had enough proof and we, as the readers, still don't know if the uchiha had a hand on the kyuubi attack

1.) that viability of that is negligible at best simply because every Uchiha we've ever been exposed to had the sharingan. Not to mention Obito had a whole lab of Sharingan, and Danzo had a whole arm. 

 

2.) the viability of that is far less than option one because of a few reasons. Kushina Uzumaki was chosen to hold the Kyuubi specifically because even amongst the Uzumaki, her chakra was special, and was strong enough to be able to hold back Kurama indefinitely. The second reason is that Minato was there. Of all the hokage, he was the most adept at sealing jutsu. Between the two of them, Kurama breaking the seal on his own would have been damn near impossible. The biggest factor, however, is the timing of the breakout. There is only one time that the seal is able to weaken significantly enough for Kurama to break out, which is during the moment a female jinchuriki is giving birth. That in and of itself isn't necessarily a problem, the problem comes when you consider that a) that knowledge was top secret and b) Kushina was giving birth inside a barrier space set up by anbu black ops, at a location privy only to a select few. Next, the entire anbu guard was slaughter, a simple inspection and you would be able to ascertain that Kurama was not the one responsible. But why attack on the exact day that Kushina's seal was at its weakest and not try to grab control of Kurama, that doesn't make any sense. All of that points to someone trying to attack and control Kurama. The Uchiha had the only known means to do so.