I pretty sure Kishimoto will not make any of the new generation characters have kids before this battle is over, and i doubt Temari and Shikamaru would have such a fast development when the final battle is already close to start, if they ever get together of course.
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#1561
Posted 30 September 2010 - 07:54 PM
I pretty sure Kishimoto will not make any of the new generation characters have kids before this battle is over, and i doubt Temari and Shikamaru would have such a fast development when the final battle is already close to start, if they ever get together of course.
#1562
Posted 30 September 2010 - 10:09 PM
Yeah I think I vaguely remember it mentionned somewhere when I surfed the internet. Still, since he tends to change his mind a lot, we probably have to wait for Sakura's revelation of her true intention in the manga. The more I think about it, the more confused I am. I'm starting to think that Kishimoto was trying to re-introduce Sakura as a heroine, through a controversial action, and a misunderstanding with the main hero.
In fact, it was that confession and her actions afterwards that made her my favorite char. Before, I like her mainly because Naruto likes her. Now part of my reason of still liking Naruto, was his appraciation of her. More than anybody, Sakura should have known that her actions damage all her relationship, the faith of Naruto, and the trust of her comrade (putting them to sleep in the middle of a forest could be considered a betrayal of trust). For a split second, I thought she was intending to make Naruto hate her.
#1563
Posted 30 September 2010 - 10:37 PM
@ciardha
Anyways, I received the volumes I won from the NaruSaku contest in the mail and in one of the volumes I got a trading card of Sakura XDD I thought it was funny that her [true allies] ability allowed you to search the deck for a Uzumaki Naruto card XDD Also, her given quote is: Naruto! Are you okay?
#1564
Posted 30 September 2010 - 11:17 PM
Was my statement directed at you? No.
Let the adults talk. Here, why don't you try and sift through almost 80 pages of quotes.
See if you find anything. I'll give you a cookie.
#1565
Posted 30 September 2010 - 11:22 PM
I have that card too!

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#1566
Posted 30 September 2010 - 11:28 PM
by my own interpretation, sai's opinion of why sakura was going to kill sasuke kind of died in chapters 483-487. sakura herself revealed her intentions and reasons for wanting to kill sasuke.
1. "If I... kill sasuke-kun now... everything will be over!", meaning to put an end to all of the suffering he has caused and all of the problems that have come because of him.
2. "I can't let you carry the burden kakashi-sensei!" meaning she wanted to do this so that no else would have to have the burden.
3. "I'm supposed to be a ninja, but all I do is cry and rely on naruto, I was supposed to change that by coming here, but I couldn't do it." she wanted to carry her own weight and not have to give naruto as much baggage. this is her primary reason in my opinion.
this is my own interpretation mind you, but I don't think her love for sasuke ever came into play with this. Let's not forget that since chapter 458 came along, all of her concern has been towards naruto. she never even once showed concern for sasuke when she heard nor did she cry for him. (Those were the tears she had left over from naruto.) it was everyone else's opinion that she did it for sasuke.
#1567
Posted 01 October 2010 - 12:06 AM
You could have saved yourself the time writing this LAP about how I, apparently, think Sakura is a lying jerk by reading my post above explaining my personal view. That obviously shows you are wrong. Even more, it’s rather rude of you to insinuate that I am anti-Sakura in any way because I point out her flaws.
Uhmmm... War ? Can't believe it happening in a FC. But I like it anyway, bashing Sakura has always been my favorite activity, despite her being my favorite character. Throughout the whole event, I'd give Sakura
8/10 for intention (personally I feel she should just ditch both Sasuke and Naruto to grow herself out of their emo struggle),
0/10 for strategy planning (she changed the plan completely, acted on her own accord, and backstabbed every single ally of hers. She's the worst disgrace of a Shinobi with such poor plan)
4/10 for acting skill (if she was gonna fake, I expect more from a ninja, the so-called master of deception and manipulation. I find it funny that people call her manipulative, while her manipulation skill sucks. She's a disgrace to other manipulators, the likes of Naruto, Nagato and Madara.)
All in all, she's a failure of friend, a teammate, a ninja, who tried to make things right. She tried to take the burden off Naruto, without even gauging herself for the task. She tried to save Naruto from a punishment of Danzo, and put the blame on herself, only to make things worse. She wanted to ressolve the issues of her teams, who have all left her behind, only to be ignored again.
I beg to differ, Naruto passed out due to Sakura's poison. His fainting had nothing to do with hope or emotion.
Anyway, while your statement is indeed true, their friendship talk are getting boring and unbelievable. They have absolutely no reasoning, no legitimate argument to convince Sasuke, exept that they all care about Sasuke. They all know that Konoha would only bring more distraught, more painful memory to Sasuke, yet they constantly ignored Sasuke's one and only wish, to never see Konoha again. Truth is, all of them care more about their own ego, their self-righteousness than Sasuke.
Edited by holy_demon, 01 October 2010 - 12:08 AM.
#1568
Posted 01 October 2010 - 12:19 AM
Aww I got that card too! [And Kakashi] When I saw the quote I was like: Oh my goodness, how funny! XD
Anyway, there's a lot of 'hot' debating going on. I think we should cool down a bit. I'm sure- no positive Miss Soupy has no intention to bash Sakura or any other character. Neither should anybody on this forum. Its probably just a misunderstanding - so lets try to cool it you guys! =P

#1569
Posted 01 October 2010 - 12:21 AM
@ciardha
Anyways, I received the volumes I won from the NaruSaku contest in the mail and in one of the volumes I got a trading card of Sakura XDD I thought it was funny that her [true allies] ability allowed you to search the deck for a Uzumaki Naruto card XDD Also, her given quote is: Naruto! Are you okay?
Soupy I will have to agree with you on this one. However you are missing one important detail everything Kishi has said in that interview is nothing but a big lie. That interview was made back at December 2009 it's September 2010 going to October almost a year since then and none of the things he had said has come true.
-He said that this year is Kakashi's year (still waiting for that to happen whatever that means).
-He said he was going to try and make Sakura look more heroic (still waiting for that to happen).
-He said that from now on Shikamaru was going to be Naruto's close friend (still waiting for that to happen).
So everything he said (minus the info on Naruto going to training again) is all a lie that includes the part of Sakura still loving Sasuke. I have mentioned before that mangaka never say spoilers in interviews they only say a general idea without giving too much information on the future events of their manga. The problem is as they write their manga they completely have different things in mind and completely change things so a lot of the things they say in interviews never happens. This is the main point why we should never trust, use interviews for pairing evidence or to use on debates.
About Sakura's confession Soupy I will have to disagree with you that it was a lie because of two things.
1. This information comes from Quinny that a confession can't be really a confession if it's a lie it has to be honest or true. Chapter 469 is tittlled" Sakura's confession" if it's tittle like that it means the chapter is alll about Sakura's confession which it must be true every word she has said except not caring for Sasuke (it's the truth she will always love Sasuke but the important thing she loves the old Sasuke from team seven not the new evil one). Just like 437's title "confession" which Hinata was telling the truth in her confession.
2. This information comes from catsi and she has already mentioned this a couple of times that Sakura had two things in mind during her confession (confessed her feelings for Naruto and trying to protect him from the rookies decision to kill Sasuke). And like she said too you can't look left and right at the same time that's what Sakura was trying to do and this is the exact reason why her confession sounded so fake and not believable.
I have always believe she was was being honest but with what I previously said above and not to mention that she said her confession and the wrong time and the wrong place, anyone can say she was lying.
If Sakura really loves Sasuke:
-She would have kill Karin without hesitating.
-She would have join Sasuke no question ask even if she will know that he wants to destroy Konoha.
-She wouldn't have gotten angry at him for insulting Naruto at 485 (which lead of her defending Naruto backing him up that he still sees Sasuke as his best friend).
I'm sorry but these things I have mentioned don't reflect a thing that she loves him romatically. However hesitating to kill Sasuke she couldn't do it not because she loves him romantically but because she cares for him deeply. Sasuke will always be her first crush and teammate from team seven, like ciardha has mentioned that team seven has a strong teammate bond like the sanins and the Ame orphans. She will always care for Sasuke because she will always see him as her friend (not caring that he tried to kill her twice in a row). But it doesn't mean that she loves him romantically this is the main problem why opposite fandoms still believes that she loves him (just because she couldn't kill him that they will obviously believe that she still has romantic feelings for him).
Edited by Gravenimage, 01 October 2010 - 12:36 AM.
#1570
Posted 01 October 2010 - 12:29 AM
Woo! That's my boy right there! XD
Sorry, Graven-kun fangirl, lol.
Yes, it reminds of that show on I.D where women are so in love with there boyfriends/husbands that they would literally kill for there affection. Sakura isn't some sick girl - there's no way she'd give herself to Sasuke.
I don't think Sasuke's getting with anyone to be honest. He's too obsessed with one thing and one thing only.

#1571
Posted 01 October 2010 - 12:39 AM
Woo! That's my boy right there! XD
Sorry, Graven-kun fangirl, lol.
Yes, it reminds of that show on I.D where women are so in love with there boyfriends/husbands that they would literally kill for there affection. Sakura isn't some sick girl - there's no way she'd give herself to Sasuke.
I don't think Sasuke's getting with anyone to be honest. He's too obsessed with one thing and one thing only.
#1572
Posted 01 October 2010 - 01:13 AM
I don't like using the interview at all. I only brought it up because ciardha revolved her argument around it. Otherwise, I agree that interviews shouldn't be used as proof of anything. Kishi has been called a flake for a reason XD
1. This information comes from Quinny that a confession can't be really a confession if it's a lie it has to be honest or true. Chapter 469 is tittlled" Sakura's confession" if it's tittle like that it means the chapter is alll about Sakura's confession which it must be true every word she has said except not caring for Sasuke (it's the truth she will always love Sasuke but the important thing she loves the old Sasuke from team seven not the new evil one). Just like 437's title "confession" which Hinata was telling the truth in her confession.
Mmm, I'm not really sure if I can buy this. If that were so, I'd have to look at all the chapter covers as having meaning as well, which I don't. Titles and chapter covers don't necessarily tell us the truth about what is going on within the chapter itself. It was called a confession because Sakura did confess love. I don't see how if it being true or not changes that she was confessing something. And again, please don't assume I think she is lying -.-
I posted something on this...so I'm not going to repeat it.
If Sakura really loves Sasuke:
-She would have kill Karin without hesitating.
-She would have join Sasuke no question ask even if she will know that he wants to destroy Konoha.
-She wouldn't have gotten angry at him for insulting Naruto at 485 (which lead of her defending Naruto backing him up that he still sees Sasuke as his best friend).
As I said, it is more complicated than her just being fully honest or not. Sakura, whether she loves Sasuke or not, isn't like she used to be. Even if she loved Sasuke still, she wouldn't give up her home for him. She wouldn't kill for him either. She has become so much more mature that it wouldn't cross her mind. That is why she was willing to kill him...she had things she wanted to protect. But, she also wanted to do it out of care for the Sasuke she used to know.
It's hard to let a first love go. In some cases you will always remember that love. I don't think she was completely over him, and I've given my reasons why. But I believe she will, because she will realize that Naruto is really everything she wants. I think Kishi will wait till the end to really show this.
#1573
Posted 01 October 2010 - 01:36 AM
the infamous bench scene.
with sakura dreaming of what she wanted to hear from sasuke, thinking that could never happen, naruto was able to make her fantasy true. (By repeating what she thought exactly and in sasuke's form.) it provided us with more info on naruto's liking of sakura and sakura almost kissed her "Dream guy." but before things could escalate, "sasuke" had to go to the bathroom and then the real sasuke showed up and insulted sakura. leaving sakura with some small understanding of naruto's pain.
on the narusaku end, it provided us with naruto's deep reason for liking sakura, and that naruto, even though he may not have realized it, was able to make sakura's romantic fantasy come to life. and we found a similar situation with the minakushi parallel that proved if this were used again it could tie things up for us. (both of the blonde boys were able to complement both of their girls insecurities and make them feel special and beautiful.)
on the bad side, this event most likely made sakura like sasuke even more than she did before and gave her more hope for love from him after almost kissing him. some people may think that this is wrong, but I beg to differ, due the fact that sakura has actually referred back to that day on the bench.
now i ask you, how likely is it that the bench scene will be brought up again? and if it does, what will happen and how will sakura respond?
#1574
Posted 01 October 2010 - 01:49 AM
#1575
Posted 01 October 2010 - 02:06 AM
Actually, that is wrong. The reason why romance can happen in certain events like this one because it can increase the dramatic effect and creates suspense on an event during storytelling. And since this is a action/drama genre story, romance will be like a "tag-along" (well in other words, a side). Alot of media shows this, when war becomes a plot device. (But, it doesn't count when the story is an actual action/war movie)

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#1576
Posted 01 October 2010 - 02:30 AM
The bench scene resolution can only be discussed after the war.
Of course, I do know that the media is all but logical.
Edited by holy_demon, 01 October 2010 - 02:32 AM.
#1577
Posted 01 October 2010 - 02:36 AM
The mangas shown a pattern of dramatic reveals at appropriate moments.
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#1578
Posted 01 October 2010 - 04:43 AM
ok,but there something i cant understand about you:
if you think she wasn't lying..why you when sone one say something that she can't lying because of it,you quote him and talk like you think she is lying and
for exmple:
when graven talked about the title of the chapter is Confession, you said
and not only these there more . and that's why for first time i think that you think that she was lying and quote you and ask you about your opinion
so,from how you talk any one can say that you think she was lying and never say something about why you think she wasn't lying,you only comment on who say that and i never see you defend on that she was honest
i see you defend about what the pairing in Kishi 's head (or somehing like that i can;t remember well)and i like that post,but never see you defend Sakura's confession
you know,if i am not think she was honest for a big reasons more than that, your posts could make me doubt on that she is honest...but in my head i had alot of reasons for why i am sure 100% that she isn't lying and can't be lying
I wish that you understand me and understand well
and understand why the most of us thinking that you think she was lying
sorry if you don't understand very well,but i do my best with my not first language
and i always wanted to say what i said now
EDIT:i want to ask you(Soupy) onther thing:
you said before that you think she wasn't lying,are you sure of what you think or have doubt or you think also that she may be lying,and why?
Can i know?(i want only to know your opinion)you said before the other readers..........
i dont want to know how the other readers willl think because i know well,i want only to know your opinion
Lastly, i saw one said that sakura confessed to naruto becase:
1-she want to protect him and she think he will bleive her and go back town and he will be safe ,but she dosenot love him
2-she was lying to make him hate her becase she felt guilty for burden naruto the POAL
what is your opnion on that ,i know well my opnion
and i want to ask about something:is sakura decided to kill sasuke by her own hands even if Naruto believed her feelings for him (IN SAKURA'S HEAD)
Edited by ahmed, 01 October 2010 - 06:47 AM.
#1579
Posted 01 October 2010 - 06:57 AM
Let the adults talk. Here, why don't you try and sift through almost 80 pages of quotes.
See if you find anything. I'll give you a cookie.
you first
as well i dont trust innera trans she is only a side shipper NS an a full ss fan you forgot to mention that.
kish was being specefic i belive in defence of sakura he isnt going to let anyonyone bash her in responce honest an determind girl to the hinata lovers.
Naruto was shown in the past thats what he had stuck in his head an sakura shatterd it i can go on.
as well i think im sticking with catsi sakura wasnt lying i found more than plenty of evidence of that.
What it comes down to is how you take the mang at what angle from past or presnt exsperence.
Edited by hypno toad, 01 October 2010 - 07:18 AM.
#1580
Posted 01 October 2010 - 07:03 AM
Yeah, not to mention the foreshadowing with Kushina, Yoshino and Tsume.
(the part where Naruto said he finally understands Kiba and Shikamaru's fear of their mothers when he met Kushina)

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