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[AzureWaters]

It's not about pairing. It's about everything. This new era stuff does not scream "Kishi wants this!"

He does. He mentioned a few times in interviews that he couldn't wait to show Naruto as a parent, etc.

[AzureWaters]

lol, and there was one, where Sakura scolding Naruto as she usually do. Another one.

But if you belive that it was "meant" that Sakura will be with Sasuke, okay. But just because it's came true, doesn't mean it was intended in that cover.

And final of manga that contradicts 90% of story - is pretty good signal, that it wasn't planned and nor it was purpose of trolling.

Seeing how that cover came out around 2 months or so before the ending, I'm pretty sure it was intentional. Who knows how long it's been since it was decided that NH/SS would happen, but it certainly wasn't decided a week or so before the last chapter. I'd give it a year or so.

[六道仙人]

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[TouKen4Life3g]

He does. He mentioned a few times in interviews that he couldn't wait to show Naruto as a parent, etc.

This happened when it came to it, not like "I would love this since 2009." So you would agree that he rushed the story? Plus there's always many different way to do it. He already admitted that he was supposed to go longer but told them no this is it he's done.

[Nostradamus]

He does. He mentioned a few times in interviews that he couldn't wait to show Naruto as a parent, etc.

Well he did show how Naruto is a terrible father. So what more to show? Him beating Hinata while he's drunk?

[AzureWaters]

That was for talk about an entire new series. Kishi doesn't have the patience for a full on part 3, but he did want to make a small arc about Naruto being an adult and being a parent.

[Liu bie]

I think the story and the fandom would have been a lot better if Hinata just never existed to begin with.

Or nobody had crush on Naruto.

[NarutoUzumaki01]

Just Kishi. It's not like SP or SJ could promote another pairing from Naruto if it wasn't within the mangaka's choice to make it canon. Then things would look confusing to the audience because the artist and the anime is saying seperate things. They have to bend to the artist's choice.

You totally wrong. There is big difference with Kishimoto some time before ending and after. After ending - he constantly contradicts everything he said before:

- End conclusively. (Not even close)

- One pairing inside T7 - (lmao, crashed development of whole team by doing wrong)

- Naruto becoming Hokage - last thing he will picture. (and now part 3)

- "not good at romance" - when there is plenty of that in manga.

- Whole bunch of contradicts of reasons why NH and not NS, and jumping from one to another.

Yes, Kishimoto's fault is there, but from interviews of director of the last - it's surely that they have hand on it too.

[Nar123]

that's because kishi is a crap writer who can't develop side characters right. hinata along with many other characters had so much potential, but everything took a backseat to saving sasuke who didn't want to be saved.

 

Naruto is one of the story with the some rich and amazing cast of side characters. I mean who didn't like Rock Lee's determination? Shikamaru clever plans? etc and etc...

All of them had so much potential, its a shame that part 2 completely  FORGOT all about the side characters and instead gave so much focus to Sasuke.

In my opinion, through Sasuke's parts of the story, a lot of things were unnecessary

Edited by Nar123, 10 February 2015 - 02:36 PM.

[TouKen4Life3g]

Not to mention anime can control the decision as well. I mean in Fairy Tail, one character is supposed to stay dead but anime wants her alive, so here she is.

I'm not confirming that they made NH happened, but it is a possibility. Kishi has already exposed himself many times of different plans and when it comes to why, it's never said, just dodge a question or so. People wants to believe him, but we have a good amount of signs that said he's not like before anymore. The irony is that people who against him is now defending him only for him to expose more in a negative term (popularity is my key).

[Nar123]

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[AzureWaters]

Well he did show how Naruto is a terrible father. So what more to show? Him beating Hinata while he's drunk?

Kishi's mentioned several times in his weekly/monthly notes about how he regrets not having enough time for his children. He's said that while being a mangaka,it often doesn't leave enough time for his family, and he even mentioned that he hadn't even been on a honeymoon with his wife. I imagine he's trying to show his struggle with this through Naruto (and probably Sasuke), which is why he made the interaction between Bolt and Naruto as he did. Probably the entire plot for the mini series will be Naruto trying to adjust to raising a kid and juggling duties.

Although I agree this drama doesn't add up to how I expected Naruto to behave with his family.  Initially I thought he'd be hard pressed to be away from them, but I see now that it's more Kishi self inserting his life into the main character.

[NarutoUzumaki01]

 

Seeing how that cover came out around 2 months or so before the ending, I'm pretty sure it was intentional. Who knows how long it's been since it was decided that NH/SS would happen, but it certainly wasn't decided a week or so before the last chapter. I'd give it a year or so.

You have your opinion, so it be, I saying different, especially with Kishimoto saying that he didn't even know how they ended up together. But you belive what you belive as I do.

 

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Oh hey, fan art! Cool! Why do you bring it here? 

 

That was for talk about an entire new series. Kishi doesn't have the patience for a full on part 3, but he did want to make a small arc about Naruto being an adult and being a parent.

He only said that he would like to picture Naruto as father (who knew that he will do a deadbeat father?  )

[Nar123]

Not to mention anime can control the decision as well. I mean in Fairy Tail, one character is supposed to stay dead but anime wants her alive, so here she is.

I'm not confirming that they made NH happened, but it is a possibility. Kishi has already exposed himself many times of different plans and when it comes to why, it's never said, just dodge a question or so. People wants to believe him, but we have a good amount of signs that said he's not like before anymore. The irony is that people who against him is now defending him only for him to expose more in a negative term (popularity is my key).

 

Besides, Kishi comes across as a really naive and greedy person, changing his opinions about something would be quite easy

[Nar123]

Kishi's mentioned several times in his weekly/monthly notes about how he regrets not having enough time for his children. He's said that while being a mangaka,it often doesn't leave enough time for his family, and he even mentioned that he hadn't even been on a honeymoon with his wife. I imagine he's trying to show his struggle with this through Naruto (and probably Sasuke), which is why he made the interaction between Bolt and Naruto as he did. Probably the entire plot for the mini series will be Naruto trying to adjust to raising a kid and juggling duties.

Although I agree this drama doesn't add up to how I expected Naruto to behave with his family.  Initially I thought he'd be hard pressed to be away from them, but I see now that it's more Kishi self inserting his life into the main character.

 

Self insert is one of the biggest sins in literary works.

If Kishi is really self inserting himself in Naruto's situation he will just show how much of a kitten writer he really is

[AzureWaters]

Not to mention anime can control the decision as well. I mean in Fairy Tail, one character is supposed to stay dead but anime wants her alive, so here she is.

I'm not confirming that they made NH happened, but it is a possibility. Kishi has already exposed himself many times of different plans and when it comes to why, it's never said, just dodge a question or so. People wants to believe him, but we have a good amount of signs that said he's not like before anymore. The irony is that people who against him is now defending him only for him to expose more in a negative term (popularity is my key).

They can change some things, but not something as big as a pairing. And like I said, their past behavior had never indicated that they favored NH over NaruSaku. Also it is not within their rights to force Kishi to do anything. If Kishimoto was forced to act against what he wanted, that could potentially only come from his editors.

[六道仙人]

why did I do that? because their stupidity has never limits

[Nostradamus]

Kishi's mentioned several times in his weekly/monthly notes about how he regrets not having enough time for his children. He's said that while being a mangaka,it often doesn't leave enough time for his family, and he even mentioned that he hadn't even been on a honeymoon with his wife. I imagine he's trying to show his struggle with this through Naruto (and probably Sasuke), which is why he made the interaction between Bolt and Naruto as he did. Probably the entire plot for the mini series will be Naruto trying to adjust to raising a kid and juggling duties.

Although I agree this drama doesn't add up to how I expected Naruto to behave with his family.  Initially I thought he'd be hard pressed to be away from them, but I see now that it's more Kishi self inserting his life into the main character.

Ok understandable that in a way he shows his own personal life through Naruto. Kishi doesn't really have time for his family and this is his way of showing it. Ok let's go with that.

But it doesn't explain Naruto's behavior with his own son, when Naruto himself felt the pain of loneliness his entire life. Not to mention that look that he gave him. Plus Naruto is described as kitten dad even before he became Hokage. So he doesn't really have any excuse.

[Chatte]

why did I do that? because their stupidity has never limits

i read this in shino voice...

[AHK]

So let's see:
Besides Kishi, who should get the most blame: SJ or SP?

SP. It's pretty clear that they've been pushing for this for a long time now, Kishi just folded to them. They had an agenda to push, and the pushed it. They don't care about the series, just what they get out of it.