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Posted 07 April 2013 - 02:02 AM

QUOTE (Baguette @ Apr 6 2013, 11:13 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
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Said it better than I ever could. My only problem lies with the possibility of Sakura having to be saved by Naruto once again...I don't know, I'm tired of that.

It could be done a lot better like instead of her being helpless, have her get into a big fight, win said fight but drained because of it, Someone attacks her, Naruto steps in.

As for Sakura's power boost, considering Tsunade was cut in half it really seems like if Sakura does get stronger it will be Slug sage mode. Sakura is the only logical person that Tsunade would give the seal to. That is the only Jutsu that would help her catch up to Naruto and Sasuke. She's never going to be on their level but if she parallels Tsunade she should be close.

Edited by Shadow1275, 07 April 2013 - 02:04 AM.

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Posted 07 April 2013 - 02:06 AM

I just know she will 1-up all over K9. The question is what and when.

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Posted 07 April 2013 - 02:09 AM

QUOTE (NaruSaku4Life3g @ Apr 7 2013, 03:06 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I just know she will 1-up all over K9. The question is what and when.

Well Tsunade could possibly use Lightning jutsu and Sakura has already surpassed chunin level strength. Element attacks take a long time to develop so she might gain some sort of elemental jutsu.

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Posted 07 April 2013 - 02:10 AM

QUOTE (NaruSaku4Life3g @ Apr 6 2013, 07:06 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I just know she will 1-up all over K9. The question is what and when.

Quite a feat considering how she's the weakest out of the K9 kruemelmonsteryn0.gif
or at least that's what most people on NB think mellow.gif


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Posted 07 April 2013 - 02:12 AM

QUOTE (Baguette @ Apr 6 2013, 10:10 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Quite a feat considering how she's the weakest out of the K9 kruemelmonsteryn0.gif
or at least that's what most people on NB think mellow.gif

I don't know. It's hard to say at those times, but when it comes to presentation, she impressed me a lot. That Sasori fight even got voted the best fight in NF in I forgot the year. For a place that supposedly hate Sakura, that says a lot.

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Posted 07 April 2013 - 02:17 AM

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Posted 07 April 2013 - 02:17 AM

QUOTE (NaruSaku4Life3g @ Apr 6 2013, 07:12 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I don't know. It's hard to say at those times, but when it comes to presentation, she impressed me a lot. That Sasori fight even got voted the best fight in NF in I forgot the year. For a place that supposedly hate Sakura, that says a lot.

I think most people would agree that Sakura was awesome during the Sasori fight (save the ones who keep trying to downplay her role there as well). What they have a problem with is her "regression" following that arc.

Hm, where would you guys honestly place Sakura in comparison to the rest of the K9?

QUOTE (Tsubaki @ Apr 6 2013, 07:17 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
time to post it again...


Well, higher stats don't necessarily mean that you'd be stronger in a battle.
Shikmaru has much lower stats than Hidan, and yet he was able to outsmart and almost singlehandedly defeat him.

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Posted 07 April 2013 - 02:27 AM

QUOTE (Baguette @ Apr 7 2013, 03:17 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I think most people would agree that Sakura was awesome during the Sasori fight (save the ones who keep trying to downplay her role there as well). What they have a problem with is her "regression" following that arc.

Hm, where would you guys honestly place Sakura in comparison to the rest of the K9?

Well the other thing is that a lot of K9's abilities are tactical ones such as Shikamaru's Shadow possession or Ino's mind possession. They are more situational than brute strength. But considering all of Sakura's abilities and potential ones such as Kabuto's chakra scalpels and Tsunade's brain message interference, I would rank her as number 4 with Shikamaru as Number 3 because that Shadow possession can beat just about anybody.

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Posted 07 April 2013 - 02:35 AM

QUOTE (Tsubaki @ Apr 7 2013, 02:17 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
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In the 3rd databook Sakura was tied with Naruto in 2nd place of the K11. Only Neji was higher than them, obviously that's changed dramatically now.

@Baguette
It's really hard to say because it keeps changing as new techniques are revealled like I would put Choji in towards the mid to low end but in Butterfly mode hes easily one of the strongest but how I would rank it.

Naruto, Sasuke, Neji, Shikamaru, Sai, Sakura, Lee, Shino, Choji, Kiba, Hinata, Tenten, Ino

Naruto and Sasuke switch around almost constantly but at the moment I think Naruto is stronger, as I said Choji is towards the bottom but in butterfly mode he's easily at the top maybe even higher than Neji, I don't know why but Shino's always struck me as someone stronger than we are shown and I may be banking a bit too much on Shikamaru's intellect but he was pretty high in the databook and as you said he beat Hidan making the rankings even more difficult. The final 3 sadly being all the women not Sakura are the databooks weakest and I wasn't sure how to rank them but in terms of combat ability I think Ino is the weakest because shes much more supportive and really relies on InoShikaCho.

So yeah that's my rankings (so many that start with S).

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Posted 07 April 2013 - 02:37 AM

QUOTE (Baguette @ Apr 6 2013, 10:17 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I think most people would agree that Sakura was awesome during the Sasori fight (save the ones who keep trying to downplay her role there as well). What they have a problem with is her "regression" following that arc.

Hm, where would you guys honestly place Sakura in comparison to the rest of the K9?


Well, higher stats don't necessarily mean that you'd be stronger in a battle.
Shikmaru has much lower stats than Hidan, and yet he was able to outsmart and almost singlehandedly defeat him.

Well, to be honest, that does make it better that you used Shikamaru as an example because we know Sakura is really smart as well.

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Posted 07 April 2013 - 02:43 AM

QUOTE (Baguette @ Apr 6 2013, 10:10 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Quite a feat considering how she's the weakest out of the K9 kruemelmonsteryn0.gif
or at least that's what most people on NB think mellow.gif


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Naruto and Sakura are 26s, Naruto obviously above 30 by now, Sakura, or rather everyone should have improved in some way, but going by the 3rd databook:

Naruto and Sakura are even, due to their sanin training at 26s

Shikamaru is a 24

Ino is a 21

Choji is a 20.5

Kiba is a 22

Hinata is a 21.5

Shino is a 21

Lee is a 22

TenTen is a 20.5

Neji is a 27-well he was always a talented guy

Just for the hell of it Sasuke was a 31.5 ninja.gif wow kishi really loves Sasuke to give him this edge difference so early in shippuden but in all respects he did train with orochi pedo.

But yeah, this just shows that Naruto and Sakura were ahead of everyone save neji and sasuke. Obviously this stuff changed by now, should be a 4th databook in the future hopefully. But I think its safe to say that Sakura is still ahead of the rest.


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Posted 07 April 2013 - 02:43 AM

QUOTE (NaruSaku4Life3g @ Apr 6 2013, 07:37 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Well, to be honest, that does make it better that you used Shikamaru as an example because we know Sakura is really smart as well.

Tied with Shino at 2nd smartest within K11, in fact. happy.gif

To be honest, my list at this point would probably go:
1. Naruto
2. Sasuke
3. Shikamaru
4. Neji
5. Choji
6. Lee
7. Shino
8. Sakura
9. Kiba
10. Hinata
11. Ino
13. TenTen

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Posted 07 April 2013 - 02:43 AM

QUOTE (redragon88 @ Apr 6 2013, 08:59 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
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Yeah, given that the sharingan can already cast OP genjutsu to me it seems irrelevant for Sakura to use that as well. So the most logical alternative lies in her ability to dispel them. That actually sound like a better asset against the current fights.

About Sakura learning Tsunade's or Hashirama's technique, up until the Sasori arc, yeah, there's no excuse for Sakura not using it so I'm sure she didn't know it at that time. But afterwards as it's been painfully obvious Sakura hasn't been in a serious confrontation that is able to push her to the limits, therefore there has been no need for her to utilize any new technique that she could've learned. I mean, it took unlimited chakra immortal Madara combined with Hashi's wood powers for Tsunade to finally say "screw it" and use the Strength of a Hundred.

Whether we notice or not there has been downtime here and there and as for how people used up the entirety of that time it's only up to speculation. We can't assume there wasn't time if there isn't a panel that confirms one has been busy doing something that didn't give them time to train.

The thought of her already having learned those techniques bothers me because, if that were the case, (and again, it depends on when we want to say that she learned them), there were times where she could have utilized them in battle.

You're right, she hasn't been in any serious fights since Sasori, but there were other times where that power would have been handy. For example, during the Pain invasion. Tsunade found Pain worthy enough of an opponent to use the Yin Seal, (if I'm remembering correctly, she uses it's power to call on Katsuyu and, through her, lend her chakra to the village), so if Sakura was also able to use that kind of power, why not assist? I would be so frustrated if I learned that she knew how to use that power all along but didn't during the invasion...

Then there's the confrontation with Sasuke. I believe he is more than a worthy opponent to use the Yin Seal techniques on, (assuming she knew how to use them at the time), but instead of utilizing her full power, she falls back on a poisoned kunai? That just doesn't make sense to me. If she had the ability to use the techniques, why fall back on such a weak weapon?

That leads me to believe that she did not know how to use the techniques related to the Yin Seal at that time. Granted, there are other possible variables, such as Sakura not having completely mastered the techniques in either of those circumstances, or her resolve being too weak in her fight against Sasuke. I guess if Kishimoto really wants to fall back on those, he can, but it just wouldn't feel right to me. I know that my personal complaints won't matter much if this is what's going to happen, but I would have preferred to see her do more if she had the power to.

You're right, it's possible that there were other windows of time for Sakura to train that we may not have seen, but to learn the Yin Seal techniques, she needs Tsunade to train her. Post-Pain arc, the opportunities for that just aren't there. That's where I see the dilemma. After the Kage Summit Arc, Tsunade comes out of her coma, which she had been in since Naruto's arrival during the Pain fight, and is almost immediately thrown into planning a war. I just can't see how she would have found the time to train Sakura in between, all the while keeping on top of her duties as Hokage and dealing with everything else. I guess Shizune could have trained her, but then we're assuming that Shizune knows how those techniques work and can use them herself.

If we go off of the assumption that Tsunade did train her, but it was before the Pain arc, (let's say when Naruto was training for Rasen-Shurinken), then shouldn't Sakura have mastered those techniques by at least her confrontation with Sasuke? If not , the start of the war? But she doesn't use them at all? Not while facing Zabuza, Hakku, and the Seven Swordsmen? Not while confronting the Jyuubi, Obito, and Madara all at once? And again, if she has the ability to use the Yin Seal techniques, where is the mark on her forehead?

I'll admit that it's possible, but I've always hoped that Kishimoto would refrain from using Ass-Pull no Jutsu on Sakura. A small time skip would be so much better than having to explain, (or ignore), all of these variables.

Anyway, at the end of the day, I know I'll be happy if Sakura gains a new ability so I should stop complaining about it. laugh.gif

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Edited by Slextrem, 07 April 2013 - 02:50 AM.


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Posted 07 April 2013 - 02:49 AM

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Posted 07 April 2013 - 02:50 AM

QUOTE (Slextrem @ Apr 6 2013, 07:43 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
The thought of her already having learned those techniques bothers me because, if that were the case, (and again, it depends on when we want to say that she learned them), there were times where she could have utilized them in battle.

You're right, she hasn't been in any serious fights since Sasori, but there were other times where that power would have been handy. For example, during the Pain invasion. Tsunade found Pain worthy enough of an opponent to use the Yin Seal, (if I'm remembering correctly, she uses it's power to call on Katsuyu and, through her, lend her chakra to the village), so if Sakura was also able to use that kind of power, why not assist? I would be so frustrated if I learned that she knew how to use that power all along but didn't during the invasion...

Then there's the confrontation with Sasuke. I believe he is more than a worthy opponent to use the Yin Seal techniques on, (assuming she knew how to use them at the time), but instead of utilizing her full power, she falls back on a poisoned kunai? That just doesn't make sense to me. If she had the ability to use the techniques, why fall back on such a weak weapon?

That leads me to believe that she did not know how to use the techniques related to the Yin Seal at that time. Of course, there are other variables, such as Sakura not having completely mastered the techniques in either of those circumstances, or her resolve being too weak in her fight against Sasuke. I guess if Kishimoto really wants to fall back on those, he can, but it just wouldn't feel right to me. I know that my personal complaints won't matter much if this is what's going to happen, but I would have preferred to see her do more if she had the power to.

You're right, it's possible that there were other windows of time for Sakura to train that we may not have seen, but to learn the Yin Seal techniques, she needs Tsunade to train her. Post-Pain arc, the opportunities for that just aren't there. That's where I see the dilemma. After the Kage Summit Arc, Tsunade comes out of her coma, which she had been in since Naruto's arrival during the Pain fight, and is almost immediately thrown into planning a war. I just can't see how she would have found the time to train Sakura in between, all the while keeping on top of her duties as Hokage and dealing with everything else. I guess Shizune could have trained her, but then we're assuming that Shizune knows how those techniques work and can use them herself.

If we go off of the assumption that Tsunade did train her, but it was before the Pain arc, (let's say when Naruto was training for Rasen-Shurinken), then shouldn't Sakura have mastered those techniques by at least her confrontation with Sasuke? If not , the start of the war? But she doesn't use them at all? Not while facing Zabuza, Hakku, and the Seven Swordsmen? Not while confronting the Jyuubi, Obito, and Madara all at once? And again, if she has the ability to use the Yin Seal techniques, where is the mark on her forehead?

I'll admit that it's possible, but I've always hoped that Kishimoto would refrain from using Ass-Pull no Jutsu on Sakura. A small time skip would be so much better than having to explain, (or ignore), all of these variables.

Anyway, at the end of the day, I know I'll be happy if Sakura gains a new ability so I should stop complaining about it. laugh.gif

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Posted 07 April 2013 - 02:54 AM

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Posted 07 April 2013 - 02:58 AM

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Posted 07 April 2013 - 03:02 AM

QUOTE (Slextrem @ Apr 7 2013, 03:43 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
The thought of her already having learned those techniques bothers me because, if that were the case, (and again, it depends on when we want to say that she learned them), there were times where she could have utilized them in battle.

You're right, she hasn't been in any serious fights since Sasori, but there were other times where that power would have been handy. For example, during the Pain invasion. Tsunade found Pain worthy enough of an opponent to use the Yin Seal, (if I'm remembering correctly, she uses it's power to call on Katsuyu and, through her, lend her chakra to the village), so if Sakura was also able to use that kind of power, why not assist? I would be so frustrated if I learned that she knew how to use that power all along but didn't during the invasion...

Then there's the confrontation with Sasuke. I believe he is more than a worthy opponent to use the Yin Seal techniques on, (assuming she knew how to use them at the time), but instead of utilizing her full power, she falls back on a poisoned kunai? That just doesn't make sense to me. If she had the ability to use the techniques, why fall back on such a weak weapon?

That leads me to believe that she did not know how to use the techniques related to the Yin Seal at that time. Granted, there are other possible variables, such as Sakura not having completely mastered the techniques in either of those circumstances, or her resolve being too weak in her fight against Sasuke. I guess if Kishimoto really wants to fall back on those, he can, but it just wouldn't feel right to me. I know that my personal complaints won't matter much if this is what's going to happen, but I would have preferred to see her do more if she had the power to.

You're right, it's possible that there were other windows of time for Sakura to train that we may not have seen, but to learn the Yin Seal techniques, she needs Tsunade to train her. Post-Pain arc, the opportunities for that just aren't there. That's where I see the dilemma. After the Kage Summit Arc, Tsunade comes out of her coma, which she had been in since Naruto's arrival during the Pain fight, and is almost immediately thrown into planning a war. I just can't see how she would have found the time to train Sakura in between, all the while keeping on top of her duties as Hokage and dealing with everything else. I guess Shizune could have trained her, but then we're assuming that Shizune knows how those techniques work and can use them herself.

If we go off of the assumption that Tsunade did train her, but it was before the Pain arc, (let's say when Naruto was training for Rasen-Shurinken), then shouldn't Sakura have mastered those techniques by at least her confrontation with Sasuke? If not , the start of the war? But she doesn't use them at all? Not while facing Zabuza, Hakku, and the Seven Swordsmen? Not while confronting the Jyuubi, Obito, and Madara all at once? And again, if she has the ability to use the Yin Seal techniques, where is the mark on her forehead?

I'll admit that it's possible, but I've always hoped that Kishimoto would refrain from using Ass-Pull no Jutsu on Sakura. A small time skip would be so much better than having to explain, (or ignore), all of these variables.

Anyway, at the end of the day, I know I'll be happy if Sakura gains a new ability so I should stop complaining about it. laugh.gif

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The Yin seal makes the most sense, the only problem I have is that using the Yin seal could shorten her life depending on whether she uses Strength of a Hundred or Creation rebirth. Thats the only reason why I would prefer elements. However, Katsuyu is also a possibility because Tsunade must have had Sakura sign the contract. Kishi really dropped the ball on this, he should have told us more about the Haruno clan and what abilities they had.

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Posted 07 April 2013 - 03:07 AM

QUOTE (Shadow1275 @ Apr 6 2013, 08:02 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
The Yin seal makes the most sense, the only problem I have is that using the Yin seal could shorten her life depending on whether she uses Strength of a Hundred or Creation rebirth. Thats the only reason why I would prefer elements. However, Katsuyu is also a possibility because Tsunade must have had Sakura sign the contract. Kishi really dropped the ball on this, he should have told us more about the Haruno clan and what abilities they had.

Sakura came from a civilian family.
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Posted 07 April 2013 - 03:19 AM

QUOTE (Baguette @ Apr 6 2013, 11:17 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I think most people would agree that Sakura was awesome during the Sasori fight (save the ones who keep trying to downplay her role there as well). What they have a problem with is her "regression" following that arc.

Hm, where would you guys honestly place Sakura in comparison to the rest of the K9?


Well, higher stats don't necessarily mean that you'd be stronger in a battle.
Shikmaru has much lower stats than Hidan, and yet he was able to outsmart and almost singlehandedly defeat him.



Have higher stats mean that she is more skilled than any other konoha girl, which already gives her a great advantage, But of course, skills aren't everything. Someone with a great intelligence and a good strategy (Shikamaru) can easily defeat someone more skilled than him (Hidan)
Take into account that Sakura is also smart and was able to create a great strategy to destroy the most powerful Sasori's puppet.

The biggest problem is that Kishimoto let her in the dark after Sasori's fight. dry.gif

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