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[Baguette]

He is very sneaky. When you beat him with manga facts, he twists things with so-called psychological real-life experiences.

I still remember his argument with you over the science of "friend-zoning."

I recommend you try to save the world.

I think becoming an accountant might be slightly less difficult.

Edited by Baguette, 06 April 2013 - 09:37 PM.

[StrikerTheNoble]

Heck deleted my post because after asking you I realized it's not really my business just that I also had a crush but found another way to get over her and also I wanted to be a firefighter too when I was your age. ( In a way I still do but not be lower rank. A lot of work and doesn't even pay that well)
Does Slovenia have a military firefighter force? or is it just civilian? I would say go firefighter professionally... There's a joke in Romanian: a firefighter works only when he has a burning desire

Well the Slovenian firefighter system is quite simple.

Il try to draw you a scheme:

1. Slovenian firefigter command
2. regional command
3. city command
4. firehouse commad

Basicly every firehouse has its own command which answers to a higher command. But in essence its devided into the valunteer firehouses (like ours) and professional (theres not a lot of those).
The nearest professional firehouse is in our naigbouring town which is 10 kilometers avay. Plus valunteer work is better. Also valunteers do 90% of the work.

@ branden. That`s Naruto`s job. If I decide to go save the world I`m also getting Sakura

[KnS]

My point was more that, even if the situation could be considered romantic, not all men and women express love through physical actions. While it's true that some people are more comfortable leaving subtle hints of their feelings, it's also true that some people prefer to voice their feelings so that there are no misunderstandings. I was trying to explain that to him, but he brushed me off because I'm a woman - there was no way that I could understand what he meant.

I know plenty of men that prefer to express themselves through words rather than actions, which is what makes his argument, (or any argument based on real-life experiences), fall apart. Everyone is different. Our interpretations of the same situations can be, and often are, different. As well as our experiences in life, no matter how similar they may be. That's why those arguments shouldn't be applied to the manga.

How does one know that a character they associate with would act the exact same way that they expect them to? How can they come to that conclusion?

Well said. I understand your point, and I agree. There's no universal love code to follow. People are going to behave differently, and even the same person might behave differently toward a different person or after gaining some experience -- you're right about that.

And I think it's interesting to take a good look at Naruto's characterization throughout the whole story. He is definitely an action-oriented guy. Not only has he shown interest in going on dates with Sakura, in having her feed him, in seeing her naked at the hot springs, etc., he has consistently shown a serious commitment to her feelings through what he chooses to do for her.

At the same time, he's a guy with a clear history of passionately expressing his feelings. Naruto's inner monologue, in Part I especially, lets us know how he feels about Sakura. Inside his own head Naruto doesn't shy away from the truth -- that he thinks she's cute, great, that he's jealous of her interest in Sasuke, that he wants her to take him seriously, that her feelings matter to him, that he thinks he understands why he likes her so much, etc. He just hasn't admitted any of this -- confessed to her -- whatever you want to call it -- because the time hasn't been right yet.

If Sakura's confession proved anything, it's that Naruto is determined to have certain conditions met to his satisfaction before he tells her how he feels about her.

Edited by KnS, 06 April 2013 - 09:49 PM.

[Branden]

Well the Slovenian firefighter system is quite simple.

Il try to draw you a scheme:

1. Slovenian firefigter command
2. regional command
3. city command
4. firehouse commad

Basicly every firehouse has its own command which answers to a higher command. But in essence its devided into the valunteer firehouses (like ours) and professional (theres not a lot of those).
The nearest professional firehouse is in our naigbouring town which is 10 kilometers avay. Plus valunteer work is better. Also valunteers do 90% of the work.

@ branden. That`s Naruto`s job. If I decide to go save the world I`m also getting Sakura

Well on the bright side Naruto didn't hear you that time. Unfortunately Kurama did...

[Chatte]

I still remember his argument with you over the science of "friend-zoning."

Aah, that one.
Honestly, I find this friend-zoning term/trend to be really childish. And for his 'magnitude' as a debater, is very unprofessional for him, to say at least.
That's why I got into debates with him.
At first, I found him scary as yourself, but then, that triggered me. And I started fighting with him and so that he's not that good, he is just very sneaky.
Tsunade-mode-fighting-Orochimaru-engaged! LOl!

[StrikerTheNoble]

Well on the bright side Naruto didn't hear you that time. Unfortunately Kurama did...

Well I just cant seem to get a break. First Naruto now Kurama.

One of these day Sakura is going to hear me. And I wont run




*At Naruto* Thats right I said it. Come at me bro.

[Inferno180]

I feel that with the parallels for NaruSaku, not counting MinaKush, I feel that they represent the best foreshadowing for the fate of team 7.

While Minakush paraellels directly to just Naruto and Sakura, the other two the sanin and team minato, I feel that these ones parallel their actions taken by team 7 but also will result in the fates opposite of the sanin, basically success where they failed.

With the Sanin, we know this one is the most obvious:

Naruto and Jiriaya- both want to save their friend who left, both have a crush on the female of their team, both wanted to change the world and troubles with it.

Sakura and Tsunade- both are medical experts, had a love that ultimately left (I'll explain this), very intelligent,

Sasuke and Orochimaru- both lost their familes, left the village with no intent to come back, wanted to obtain power.

The results of the sanin were that for Jiriaya he gave up on trying to get Orochimaru back and would merely track his movements to protect the leaf, loved Tsunade though she never loved him back but he died loving her still, he wanted to try and bring peace to the world as he was told he would train the savior. For Tsunade she became a medical expert, the loves she lost was Dan and her brother so this was how her love was left and caused her depression kinda in the same sense it did for Sakura (Sakura loved Sasuke even though he was not physically there and it still caused her issues kinda like for Tsunade's loved ones being dead). For Orchimaru he lost his parents, turned to forbidden techniques, and left the village to seek power and immortality.

Team 7s result to the Sanin I see: Naruto succeeds (duh), Sakura finds new love in Naruto, Sasuke is saved and redeemed (maybe comes back?).

Team Minato is parallel, but what I see here is that the relations between those paralleled are rather their results are the opposite of what they turned out to become, whatever happened to team minato was opposite to team 7, basically I feel this one is how team 7 became opposite to what team minato's members became.

Naruto and Obito- were the last place members of their team, loved the girl on their team, wanted acknowledgement from the tough and talented guy on the team, saw them as friends.

Sakura and Rin- both were talented medical ninja, had a crush on the cool guy of the team, were very friendly.

Sasuke and Kakashi- both were talented but did not give a crap about anyone else, both were fixated on goals, arrogant of their skills, placed themselves higher and others lower.

The result for team minato: Obito sacrificed himself and in doing so changed kakashi's ways for the better, however Obito became very powerful and evil after meeting madara. kakashi told Rin it was obito who loved her and how he is undeserving of her. Rin died by Kakashi, kakashi had to kill the very person who loved him.

What I see with team 7 and what will happen: Naruto is the savior and he will protect the world from Obito, so far he failed to change Sasuke for the better, Sakura will live (saved by Naruto a 3rd time in the manga?), fall for Naruto away from Sasuke for what he did, she was saved and protected by the one she did not originally love, Sasuke turned evil and walked the path opposite kakashi, he did try to kill the girl who loved him.

I admit the team minato one can be harder to follow, its like the events they had turned out perpendicular but the parallel is there for obvious reasons, the team dynamic they had resulted in fates opposite team 7, basically only kakashi got any mereit of trying to live better, Obito and Rin suffered dark fates.

[Baguette]

@Inferno180
Said it better than I ever could. My only problem lies with the possibility of Sakura having to be saved by Naruto once again...I don't know, I'm tired of that.

[StrikerTheNoble]

@Inferno180
Said it better than I ever could. My only problem lies with the possibility of Sakura having to be saved by Naruto once again...I don't know, I'm tired of that.

I`m not. He just keeps finding awesome and sweet ways to save her. For an "idiot" hes an extremly creative guy.

[Dkey]

I`m not. He just keeps finding awesome and sweet ways to save her. For an "idiot" hes an extremly creative guy.

Well coping daddy works once, but he has to surpass his father, am I right?

[Chatte]

I want to say something that was for a long time in my head about Tsunade/Sakura regarding her loved ones.
Tsunade went in that state after she couldn't save Dan, the one she loved. She was devastated for years, was drinking, crying all the time because of that, etc.
Now we have almost the same situation with Sakura, minus the drinking, lol. Instead, we have the inner pervert Sakura, something I am sure Jiraiya would've loved to see in Tsunade, lol. That is her side of Naruto, haha [insterted somewhat a joke, lol]
Anyway, let me continue with this. If you look at Sakura's character development,yes, she was attracted to Sasuke, however, she becomes really fond or whatever you want to say for Sasuke when he gets the curse mark seal from Orochimaru, in the forest of Death.
Now, here she establishes her goal for herself [Protect those two [three]/save those two aka Naruto and Sasuke. Lee is somewhere around, but we put more emphasis on Naruto and Sasuke since they're team 7]. Besides the bigger one, the "We'll be together drive". That aspect of hers which is individual out of her 'Naruto-centric' one, to say it like this.
So, basically, what might seem as her love for Sasuke is actually the same thing as Tsunade. She feels that she will fail her ninja-way to "protect those two/save them" if Sasuke gets injured.
Because looking back at Chuunin exams, she saw that Oochimaru's curse seal was hurting Sasuke, so she became very nurturing-like with him. So when Sasuke left, knowing that Orochimaru is bad for him, she decided to do what she could do best - confess him her so-called love, what she thought she felt for him. Was actually the whole company of Team 7 that she'd miss and knowing them both safe. She feared that if he goes to Orochimaru, he'll get killed or God knows what. That's why she tried to hold him as much as she could, probably deciding to tell others about what Orochimaru told Sasuke [he will seek me] like she did with Naruto. She probably felt like she needed to take a major care of the matter, not just letting Naruto know.
That's why she later, went to Naruto and asked him to bring Sasuke back, because she had told Naruto about the curse seal and Orochimaru matter, that's why she said to Naruto that he's the only one that can do it.
Dunno how many people observed this little detail among the scenes.
This is where Sakura will as well probably surpass Tsunade. She will somewhat succeed in seeing Sasuke alive, therefore not failing her ninja-way of saving those two and let her feels, the ones she kept hidden, like Tsunade, roam free, as in falling in love with Naruto.
Because what Sakura has, to me at least, it's more the actual motherly-care type of love towards Sasuke.
Dunno if it made sense, hope you guys get it ! ^^

[Baguette]

I`m not. He just keeps finding awesome and sweet ways to save her. For an "idiot" hes an extremly creative guy.

He wouldn't need to find awesome and sweet ways to save her if she didn't keep finding ways put herself into a damsel in distress role all the time.
...I'm stepping too close to the bashing threshold, aren't I.

Edited by Baguette, 06 April 2013 - 10:30 PM.

[StrikerTheNoble]

Well coping daddy works once, but he has to surpass his father, am I right?

How about this: The next guy to attack Sakura Naruto goes sage mode does a front flip in the air and lands on the guys head. Awesome rescue level = surpased.

@ Baquetter Your not. And its the best kind of NS interaction you can get in war.

Edited by StrikerTheNoble, 06 April 2013 - 10:27 PM.

[Dkey]

How about this: The next guy to attack Sakura Naruto goes sage mode does a front flip in the air and lands on the guys head. Awesome rescue level = surpased.

@ Baquetter Your not. And its the best kind of NS interaction you can get in war.

Sounds more like a pro wrestler.

@Chatte: I agree with the fact that her goal is to protect her two team mates but right now the way the story went the only protecting she can do is towards Naruto, as for Sasuke.... Beats me. Only one entity can try to attack both of them and that is Konoha. But just seein ang Sasuke ok and back in the village or going on vacation and not on revenge quests don't think will qualify as trying to protect them ( and to a lesser degree try to be their equal).

[Baguette]

How about this: The next guy to attack Sakura Naruto goes sage mode does a front flip in the air and lands on the guys head. Awesome rescue level = surpased.

@ Baquetter Your not. And its the best kind of NS interaction you can get in war.

The best type of NS interaction is Sakura being able to help Naruto in a significant enough way to ease her guilt.

[HauntedCake]

I want to say something that was for a long time in my head about Tsunade/Sakura regarding her loved ones.
Tsunade went in that state after she couldn't save Dan, the one she loved. She was devastated for years, was drinking, crying all the time because of that, etc.
Now we have almost the same situation with Sakura, minus the drinking, lol. Instead, we have the inner pervert Sakura, something I am sure Jiraiya would've loved to see in Tsunade, lol. That is her side of Naruto, haha [insterted somewhat a joke, lol]
Anyway, let me continue with this. If you look at Sakura's character development,yes, she was attracted to Sasuke, however, she becomes really fond or whatever you want to say for Sasuke when he gets the curse mark seal from Orochimaru, in the forest of Death.
Now, here she establishes her goal for herself [Protect those two [three]/save those two aka Naruto and Sasuke. Lee is somewhere around, but we put more emphasis on Naruto and Sasuke since they're team 7]. Besides the bigger one, the "We'll be together drive". That aspect of hers which is individual out of her 'Naruto-centric' one, to say it like this.
So, basically, what might seem as her love for Sasuke is actually the same thing as Tsunade. She feels that she will fail her ninja-way to "protect those two/save them" if Sasuke gets injured.
Because looking back at Chuunin exams, she saw that Oochimaru's curse seal was hurting Sasuke, so she became very nurturing-like with him. So when Sasuke left, knowing that Orochimaru is bad for him, she decided to do what she could do best - confess him her so-called love, what she thought she felt for him. Was actually the whole company of Team 7 that she'd miss and knowing them both safe. She feared that if he goes to Orochimaru, he'll get killed or God knows what. That's why she tried to hold him as much as she could, probably deciding to tell others about what Orochimaru told Sasuke [he will seek me] like she did with Naruto. She probably felt like she needed to take a major care of the matter, not just letting Naruto know.
That's why she later, went to Naruto and asked him to bring Sasuke back, because she had told Naruto about the curse seal and Orochimaru matter, that's why she said to Naruto that he's the only one that can do it.
Dunno how many people observed this little detail among the scenes.
This is where Sakura will as well probably surpass Tsunade. She will somewhat succeed in seeing Sasuke alive, therefore not failing her ninja-way of saving those two and let her feels, the ones she kept hidden, like Tsunade, roam free, as in falling in love with Naruto.
Because what Sakura has, to me at least, it's more the actual motherly-care type of love towards Sasuke.
Dunno if it made sense, hope you guys get it ! ^^

Nope. sorry that's not true. She has shown to have romantic feelings for Sasuke countless times. Its not motherly love at all

Anyway, as hard as i try not to succum to this i can't help but feel Sakura has and always will think of Naruto as a consolation prize to her failed attempts at Sasuke. She clearly has the undying hots for Sasuke and this infuriates me to no end. She puts instinctial hots over true love

The best type of NS interaction is Sakura being able to help Naruto in a significant enough way to ease her guilt.

As Bageutte says here, everything she has done is out of guilt so far which actually degrades from what shes trying to do because she does it because of guilt not for Naruto.

Edited by HauntedCake, 06 April 2013 - 10:40 PM.

[Inferno180]

What if Sakura is able to save Naruto at some point in the war going forward? That would be good, she could possibly do that, I mean if she gets some powerup (tsunade's forehead seal powers I'm betting) then she could save naruto in some way.

[Baguette]

Nope. sorry that's not true. She has shown to have romantic feelings for Sasuke countless times. Its not motherly love at all

Anyway, as hard as i try not to succum to this i can't help but feel Sakura has and always will think of Naruto as a consolation prize to her failed attempts at Sasuke. She clearly has the undying hots for Sasuke and this infuriates me to no end. She puts instinctial hots over true love



As Bageutte says here, everything she has done is out of guilt so far which actually degrades from what shes trying to do because she does it because of guilt not for Naruto.

You're suddenly quite pessimistic.
Bolded: um...that's not what I meant at all.
She cares for Naruto, and that's why she does the things she does to try to help him. Her guilt stems from the fact that she isn't capable of doing anything of much significance.

Edited by Baguette, 06 April 2013 - 10:47 PM.

[StrikerTheNoble]

Ok fine I give. If it involves Sakura they can play poker for all I care

@inferno No, no, no, no marks on Sakuras forhead please. It looks weird on Tsunade it would look even weirder on her.

[Branden]

Well whatever Sakura does I'm pretty sure Sai will be involved. We haven't seen either of them in the recent chapters.