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#15661 Sakamaki Izayoi

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Posted 14 March 2014 - 10:25 PM

The bitter cherry on top is when Sai tells Naruto that Sakura is prepared for Naruto to hate her forever because of her decision.  Here again, the implication is that Naruto's well being is important, but not necessarily his feelings.

Actually, Naruto knew she loved Sasuke and she showed it in front of him a few hours before leaving the village there's no way she would simply drop that and be genuine towards him.
About the last statement "romantically feelings" were never respected on this story because that leaves the implication, if Naruto respects Sakura's feelings then he should do the same with Hinata and Lee and other characters would do the same, like example Sakura respecting Ino's feelings despite she because she her best friend and etc...
In fact Naruto witnessed Sakura's smile and how she was happy around Naruto, it inst about respecting feelings but common sense, he loves her and wants her to be happy and unfortunately for him he always saw Sakura being happy around Sasuke.
 

Sai makes it clear that Sakura could have let Shikamaru and the others take care of Sasuke, but Sakura chose instead to risk Naruto's love for her turning into hate because she wanted to take the burden of her love for Sasuke off Naruto and back onto herself.  It was a choice -- an atonement -- for Naruto's well being and to repay his devotion to her, but also because she loves Sasuke.
 
In summary, Sai basically says:
 
+ Sakura never intended to confess her love to Naruto.
+ Sakura was thinking of Naruto's well being, but she loves Sasuke.
+ Sakura was willing to let Naruto hate her forever.
 
* Those three things are in contrast to Sakura's own words to Naruto about her feelings.  That's why I say that it is Sai's explanation that made Sakura's confession seem false.

According to mangareader's version he said it was a guess so i didnt took it in consideration.
 

Considering it's likely that more fans interpret Sakura's confession as false than true -- and I'm not talking about just the haters; we have NS fans on this site who believe it was false -- it's also likely that in terms of swaying public opinion, Sai's comments made Sakura look worse not better.

I think it made it heroic, because she sacrificed everything she could including her feelings, her love all this for Naruto's wellbeing but the one thing you missed Sakura's feelings of guilty and the burden she forced into Naruto despite being innocent of that because she was just 12.
She idnt do a confession for the sake of love but rather the goals she intended to achieve, she cares too much about Naruto and it's "love" but it's not the sme type of love she has for Sasuke or Naruto has for her, not the romantically love.
Sakura can love Naruto on that way however she has to resolve her own stuff and Naruto has to acknowledge her otherwise it wont work.
 

Now....
 
As I have said many, many, MANY times out here, I personally do not believe Sakura was false in the confession of her feelings for Naruto.  I think she does love Naruto more in every way than she does Sasuke, and she chose to move forward with Naruto.  She made the choice between the two without hesitation, and made it clear she had been getting things wrong and didn't want to screw up anymore.

The problem is that the statement brings a strong contradiction, she cant love Naruto on the same way she loves Sasuke without resolving her feelings for Sasuke and further without falling in love with Naruto.
Also she was unable to kill Sasuke despite knowing it was for Naruto and Kishimoto on the interview distinguished by saying that Naruto is close and she cares about him aswell but as expected she loves Sasuke.
She was being logical and not doing it out of love, she only concluded that Naruto was the better choice but she was doing it for Naruto not her.
Naruto does love Sakura and that's why he could not accept it, he knew that she had feelings for Sasuke but he knows that the truth, the harsh truth is that she loves that guy and there's nothing he can do about it.
He cant accept her plan to pretend that she's in love with Naruto when he's not.
It's sorry for my the phrase, it's ridiculous for a character to have moved on like that off-panel to suddenly pulls out "i finally realized that i love you and etc.." it doenst make sense.
Anyway i respect your opinion but i dont agree with it.
 

Shikamaru convinced her Sasuke needed to be stopped, even if it meant killing him, and sought Team 7's permission -- a right of first refusal kind of thing.  What we were shown was Sakura accepting the responsibility for killing Sasuke because she knew Naruto would never allow it, and she could atone for what she had put him through by taking care of it herself -- for Naruto's sake.  Sakura's decision had nothing to do with Sasuke, or loving Sasuke, at least as far as readers were shown.
 
But that's not what Sai reported.  Instead Sai said she chose Naruto's well being above all else, and chose to be the one to kill Sasuke herself because of her love for him and the trouble it has caused Naruto -- even if Naruto would hate her forever.


He says " i had no idea but if i had to guess" that nullifies any statement made by Sai further this page.
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So in a way it's not to be taken in consideration at least according to mangareader's version.

Later
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"if the only way to do it is to kill him with her own hands, i believe she's prepared to do it"

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"I think it's the only way..."
Sai uses "vague" words to explain what Sakura's is going to do, in fact he's giving his opinion and guessing what Sakura is doing but it's not the truth only Sakura's actions explains that which happens on the summit that's the impression mangareader's version gives.

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 14 March 2014 - 10:32 PM.

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Posted 14 March 2014 - 10:32 PM

several hundred chapters later and Kishi has yet to progress NS to another level(subtle hints are nice and everything but...)

 

Unless this has a decent enough pay-off like a family epilogue I will be dissapointed  :smack:


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Posted 14 March 2014 - 10:37 PM

It'd be pretty cool if everyone was defeated and Naruto & Sakura (Obito) made an epic entrance with Sakura's byakugo stretching all over her body like Tsunade's, and Naruto showing his new power up.

 

lol my little fan fiction.


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Posted 14 March 2014 - 10:40 PM

It'd be pretty cool if everyone was defeated and Naruto & Sakura (Obito) made an epic entrance with Sakura's byakugo stretching all over her body like Tsunade's, and Naruto showing his new power up.
 
lol my little fan fiction.

I think that's quite possible.(・∪・)
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Posted 14 March 2014 - 11:11 PM

Does anyone have a feeling that Minato and the other Hokages are going say farewell before the final battle with Madara? I mean Hashirama and tobirama are both incapacitated so they don't have much point In being there anymore in the story. Minato has lost both arms and is becoming more and more "less useful" in the current situation so all I see that's left for him in the plot is to give a farewell speech and how much he could have helped Naruto more but couldn't (hoping for a Minato/Sakura dialogue ^_^). I see sarutobi actually sticking around to the end to see everything unfold and plus he's the only thing keeping the rest of the alliance from getting stomped on from a big giant Buddha Foot!!! Now what's really got me wondering if this will happen is jugos constant curiosity of what Orochimaru is planning!! Kishi keeps on bringing that up for some reason and with Kabuto back I sense something will happen to orochimaru that makes the Edo Tensei technique turn off!? I don't know if it's plausible but I just see this as a way for Minato and Sakura to have a conversation together, what do you guys think??

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Posted 15 March 2014 - 12:59 AM

It'd be pretty cool if everyone was defeated and Naruto & Sakura (Obito) made an epic entrance with Sakura's byakugo stretching all over her body like Tsunade's, and Naruto showing his new power up.

 

lol my little fan fiction.

 

Ah that would be cool.

I really would like Sakura to give her all in a fight again.


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Posted 15 March 2014 - 01:06 AM

What do you guys think about Minato's statement in 631? (the "Take care of my son" line)

 

Did he mean it in an NS way, or did he mean it in a way that he wants her to continue healing him?


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Posted 15 March 2014 - 01:15 AM

What do you guys think about Minato's statement in 631? (the "Take care of my son" line)

 

Did he mean it in an NS way, or did he mean it in a way that he wants her to continue healing him?

Continue to heal him. The raw said that.


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Posted 15 March 2014 - 01:38 AM

Continue to heal him. The raw said that.

oh well.

 

 

Man this place is empty today.


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Posted 15 March 2014 - 02:43 AM

oh well.
 
 
Man this place is empty today.

A dark world must have them on lock frustrated while others must be fighting titans. Mech that is.

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Posted 15 March 2014 - 02:58 AM

What do you guys think about Minato's statement in 631? (the "Take care of my son" line)

 

Did he mean it in an NS way, or did he mean it in a way that he wants her to continue healing him?

 

Continue to heal him. The raw said that.

 

What? We already discussed a long time ago that the line Minato used in the raw is exactly the one a parent would say when they meet their child's fiancee.

 

It's unsurprising considering that a second ago Naruto had just introduced Sakura as sort of his girlfriend.

 

Maybe it's supposed to have a double meaning. Both about healing and as a tease towards Naruto and Sakura.



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Posted 15 March 2014 - 03:06 AM

A dark world must have them on lock frustrated while others must be fighting titans. Mech that is.

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Posted 15 March 2014 - 03:07 AM

 

 

What? We already discussed a long time ago that the line Minato used in the raw is exactly the one a parent would say when they meet their child's fiancee.

 

It's unsurprising considering that a second ago Naruto had just introduced Sakura as sort of his girlfriend.

 

Maybe it's supposed to have a double meaning. Both about healing and as a tease towards Naruto and Sakura.

Why not both?!

 

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I agree. I think it has a double meaning. And your point about Naruto saying that just before kind of confirms it. 



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Posted 15 March 2014 - 03:54 AM

Actually, Naruto knew she loved Sasuke and she showed it in front of him a few hours before leaving the village there's no way she would simply drop that and be genuine towards him.
About the last statement "romantically feelings" were never respected on this story because that leaves the implication, if Naruto respects Sakura's feelings then he should do the same with Hinata and Lee and other characters would do the same, like example Sakura respecting Ino's feelings despite she because she her best friend and etc...
In fact Naruto witnessed Sakura's smile and how she was happy around Naruto, it inst about respecting feelings but common sense, he loves her and wants her to be happy and unfortunately for him he always saw Sakura being happy around Sasuke

Actually, its exactly the opposite when she is with Sasuke. She has to hide her true emotions, be something that he would appreciate and the worst part is be someone she dosen't want to and bottle up her true self and much much more. She just 'pretends' to be happy when with Sasuke but on the inside and deep down(really deep down) she is really really not that happy. She seems to be happy because she loves(Crush -_-) Sasuke. And I think it was also shown in the manga though I don't know which chapter. Anyways, I think this is one of the points Kishi would put up if at all the manga is turning to NS. On the other hand, she is at her best when she is with Naruto. Heck! She even goes beyond best. She dosen't need to bottle up her emotions, be something she dosen't want to and the best part she can be her true self(inner self) when she's with Naruto because she knows whatever happens Naruto won't leave her and will always accept her however she is irrespective of what other people say about her. She in the 'true sense' is happy with Naruto. I don't know why she is still clinging on to Sasuke but IMO she has almost given up on him. Now, I maybe wrong on this part but that's what that 'fake smile' and 'The image of Sasuke burning' part said. And, one more point I would like to make here is people say that Sakura hasen't found out about Sasuke's condition so she cannot go to him. Well, even if she had found out about Sasuke, she would still go to Naruto because whether from 'romantic' perspective or not Naruto means a lot to her, probably even something more than Sasuke and that is one thing we can surely deduce from the confession part. The next turn up of events would be very very interesting to watch and the answers to all our questions will be given and that's for sure!


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Posted 15 March 2014 - 04:53 AM

I wonder how Naruto will react seeing Sakura's hand touching his heart lol  :eager:


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Posted 15 March 2014 - 05:29 AM

What's worth seeing is his reaction to CPR!


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Posted 15 March 2014 - 05:35 AM

What's worth seeing is his reaction to CPR!

Well l don't think she's done that for a while now so we might not see her doing CPR again while Naruto wakes up :(

I really hope though :pinch:


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Posted 15 March 2014 - 06:15 AM

Why did Kishi make this the cover? 

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Posted 15 March 2014 - 06:26 AM

^ when 615 came out and this volume was released. I used to think that Kishi made a change on the direction. But, after 631-632 and eventually 662-663, my personal take is, it's a parting gift to NH / Hinata fans. Much like Gai opening the final gate which causes him his live, I can imagine Gai's fans would like to see his ultimate taijutsu before he dies...


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Posted 15 March 2014 - 06:28 AM

Why did Kishi make this the cover? 

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Because he is going to Naruhina canon, obviously. Haven't you read all those NH fans comments beforehand  :sweat:

 

In seriousness though, I really don't know. I bet you are going to get a lot of responses from here saying he was force to by his editors or publishers, or that he did to sell the manga to the opposing pairings. But in reality none of us know for sure, and he may as well made it because he is leading towards NH (though then again I don't understand why he had the Kushina comment later on and the CPR if that was the case...






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