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[Shadow1275]

No, it's not. The databook (just hear me out) never suggest anything significant with him and her. Even the corrected unbiased translated part suggested it. There's no romance coming from him. To me, I think the thank you applies to Team 7 because it would be the last time that he can say nice thing about them. When he confronted Naruto, it's not about Team 7 to him, it's about them two, Mano y Mano.

Agreed, but I think there is more, not in the romantic sense with the whole thank you. We know that Sakura wanted to be acknowledged by Sasuke. The thank you pretty much was the climax of their relationship. Sasuke acknowledged all that she had did for him, and then cut her out of his life. However, when he tried to do that for Naruto, Naruto fought him and managed to preserve their bond. Though Sakura is a part of team 7, Sasuke has only one person he considers connected, and that is Naruto. Thats why I think Sasu/Saku is fininshed. The thank you was acknowledgement but it was more friendly than romantic. It was also Sasuke severing all ties with Sakura.

[Canadian_DJ]

I can really understand why NH has many fans, at least the female part. I mean, most of them are like Hinata, imagine that a girl is in school, she sees the most popular guy, but is too shy to talk to him, so she wonders one day have the courage to declare themselves, and that day he also shows that he liked her and they will be happy forever. It is the reality of many girls, so I can really understand why they both cheer for her because it's like their own history. It's like a fairy tale, that's what stories and children's films make us want.

Some exceptions of girls, on the other hand, prefer this real love that Naruto and Sakura have, they grew up together, they lead a life together, know and understand. That is true love. Although I know it's hard to give up such an ideal - fairy tale with a happy ending. But I really can not understand how the boys may like that kind of attitude, my only theory is that it should do well to your ego, having a girl always looking at his back. Still, I do not make much sense.

Well im a female and I for one see myself as a sakura type, never have I seen myself like hinata in situations.

Nh is complete BS.

[StrikerTheNoble]

Striker's probably going to call me a hypocrite for this, but I have to ask. Are there even any male SasuSaku fans? Because I can't help but get the impression that its just a bunch of girls who see it as the ideal romantic story.

YOU HYPOCRITE

I don`t why I would actually. Is it because you used to ship it? But you`re probably right on the demographic.

@ CD

Good to know and yes it it.

[Don-kun]

No, it's not. The databook (just hear me out) never suggest anything significant with him and her. Even the corrected unbiased translated part suggested it. There's no romance coming from him. To me, I think the thank you applies to Team 7 because it would be the last time that he can say nice thing about them. When he confronted Naruto, it's not about Team 7 to him, it's about them two, Mano y Mano.

This is something she clearly didn't meant or say, it was more about what SS fans hold has hope. I was reading some post in the past where they express the desire for Sasuke have a scene showing that he was in love with Sakura to shut up the haters mouth.


@redragon88
Now a days their hopes rely on NH being canon that will leave the way open for after Sasuke redemption and a possible start over with him and Sakura.


@Baguette
I got to know almost 10 SS male fans on NF that I know of, they just not that vocal about the pairing, also there is Jizz one who fantasize with SS Hen*ai all the times.

Edited by Don-kun, 06 April 2013 - 04:31 PM.

[Slextrem]

I'm not saying that's what I believe, I was just saying what I think the SS fans believe in order to hope for their pairing to happen. I do think as well that Sasuke's thank you was more in appreciation of Sakura and nothing else, but that won't stop fans from believing otherwise.

I mean, apart from the usual "Sakura loves Sasuke soooooooo much" argument, there's really nothing else to hold on to. People try to use the few times Sasuke was kind to Sakura as proof of his secret love for her, but that's really stretching it, isn't it?

It is, especially when you take into consideration how many other girls showed the same kindness to Sasuke, and still were ignored. The arguments for SS kind of run that ship aground, as most of those arguments can be applied to SasuKarin. They can try to argue that Sakura is special, but there's literally no proof that Sasuke feels that way. It's all just speculation and wishful thinking.

[redragon88]

Striker's probably going to call me a hypocrite for this, but I have to ask. Are there even any male SasuSaku fans? Because I can't help but get the impression that its just a bunch of girls who see it as the ideal romantic story.

I've asked myself that question a few times. Maybe some might do it for the sake of side-shipping and not for legitimately liking the pairing.

I think I heard once that guys might ship it just because they like the character of Sasuke, therefore he must get all the attention, but that's about it. I do have the feelings that the majority of SS fans are girls, but I don't really know for sure.

[Baguette]

Well im a female and I for one see myself as a sakura type, never have I seen myself like hinata in situations.

Nh is complete BS.

Honestly, it's not. Naruto and Hinata have their share of valid moments together, and they have important things in common- specifically their ideals and principles. They've helped each other grow on multiple occasions, through such scenes as their talk before the Chuunin exam finals, or the recent Ch.615. What they lack is consistent development.


@StrikerTheNoble
It's cause I call you out all the time for stereotyping other fandoms

@Baguette
I got to know almost 10 SS male fans on NF that I know of, they just not that vocal about the pairing, also there is Jizz one who fantasize with SS Hen*ai all the times.

Edited by Baguette, 06 April 2013 - 04:44 PM.

[TouKen4Life3g]

Agreed, but I think there is more, not in the romantic sense with the whole thank you. We know that Sakura wanted to be acknowledged by Sasuke. The thank you pretty much was the climax of their relationship. Sasuke acknowledged all that she had did for him, and then cut her out of his life. However, when he tried to do that for Naruto, Naruto fought him and managed to preserve their bond. Though Sakura is a part of team 7, Sasuke has only one person he considers connected, and that is Naruto. Thats why I think Sasu/Saku is fininshed. The thank you was acknowledgement but it was more friendly than romantic. It was also Sasuke severing all ties with Sakura.

That's...something I didn't think of. Perhaps that's why we don't get anymore developments between them because she got what you said. Can she still love him? Yes, but how long will it last? That's where it's being challenged now. Her love aspect with Sasuke never really get talked on until Kage Summit Arc because well, Kishi needs to end it eventually and it's getting near. I mean even in Sai and Sasuke arc, she was more concern about Naruto and Team 7 reunion, not her love or even brought it up to Sai or Yamato. Instead, they questioned her and/or pointed out that she's feeling something more than she thought for Naruto and it's blunt as it gets, rather than leave for interpretation. Interpretation is where NH stands IMO because Naruto has not shown once for any changes for Hinata while Hinata can remain the same but it's not surprising. Again, it's more surprising when the moment comes from the other side, not who's already in love.

[Sakura_Blossom]

Striker's probably going to call me a hypocrite for this, but I have to ask. Are there even any male SasuSaku fans? Because I can't help but get the impression that its just a bunch of girls who see it as the ideal romantic story.

There are. Probably guys that want a girl who will do absolutely anything for him, where he can fight, humiliate, cheat, and beat her and at the end of the day she will have a loving kiss for him. it's a joke, do not be rude

Well im a female and I for one see myself as a sakura type, never have I seen myself like hinata in situations.

Nh is complete BS.

Oh, I'm also like Sakura more than Hinata, like I said there are exceptions, but for the most part, the girls are like Hinata.

[redragon88]

@redragon88
Now a days their hopes rely on NH being canon that will leave the way open for after Sasuke redemption and a possible start over with him and Sakura.

@Baguette
I got to know almost 10 SS male fans on NF that I know of, they just not that vocal about the pairing, also there is Jizz one who fantasize with SS Hen*ai all the times.

The problem is Sasuke has no motivation to love Sakura. It would literally happen out of nowhere and just for the sake of happening. Not to mention it would be OOC to have Sasuke act romantic.

So there are SS male fans? Do you remember what motivated them to like that pairing?

It is, especially when you take into consideration how many other girls showed the same kindness to Sasuke, and still were ignored. The arguments for SS kind of run that ship aground, as most of those arguments can be applied to SasuKarin. They can try to argue that Sakura is special, but there's literally no proof that Sasuke feels that way. It's all just speculation and wishful thinking.

Ino pretty much destroyed this argument singlehandedly with her little flashback of Sasuke. That's another huge mistake some make, to fool themselves into believing that Sakura's love is unique and special, and therefore it shall serve as the light that will take Sasuke out of the darkness. It isn't, and saving Sasuke is Naruto's job.

[StriderC]

I think for some, it comes down to whom one is like the most. Hell, I see people use that point just to back up their argument even when it's not fully true. I think people pull from any character, and no, I believe some of you pull from even Hinata even though it's not being said. I've personally never liked a character based on how they relate to myself tbh. I just like a character because I like a character. Development, attitude, all that plays out in how I feel about them.

[StrikerTheNoble]

Honestly, it's not. Naruto and Hinata have their share of valid moments together, and they have important things in common- specifically their ideals and principles. They've helped each other grow on multiple occasions, through such scenes as their talk before the Chuunin exam finals, or the recent Ch.615. What they lack is consistent development.


@StrikerTheNoble
It's cause I call you out all the time for stereotyping other fandoms

Oh. In that case:

YOU HYPOCRITE

[Canadian_DJ]

I say it's officially over after Sakura's confession but still Naruto is going to try and fulfill it because we know he's too stubborn for his own good and he never gives up.

This.

@sakura blossoms

Haha cool your a sakura type

@striker

Yep

Awsome posts guys! keep it up!

Edited by Canadian_DJ, 06 April 2013 - 05:12 PM.

[Don-kun]

Trust me if you were an active Pairing debater on NF since May of 2011 like you are on NB you would of known this user very well.

His biggest dissatisfaction is the fact that he always asking why NS is more popular than SS in that kind of stuff, but anyway this kind of arguments are not suited for this forum so I will drop it here.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

For the record, I don't think she fell in love with Sasuke because of that comment. She just does. The purpose is for both of them to fix their problems: Naruto need to grow up if he wants her to see him in a better light and Sakura need to give Naruto a chance in respect.

She was already in love with Sasuke way before that scene, she was already like that and nothing that happened on part 1 affected her love for Sasuke, when i say that SS had no development is because Sasuke did nothing ot her and neither give her development the only part that had meaning was when she cut off her hair and wasnt even because of Sasuke but because she did that to protect both Naruto and Sasuke because she didnt wanted to be a burden to them the girl who stands behind and it's useless.

THen later on Sakura's confession to Naruto she says things that a woman would fall in love with a guy and despite all this she was still in love with Sasuke, there was nothing justificable for her to still keep feelings for Sasuke when he did nothing to her or added nothing to her character, Naruto basically did everything not Sasuke and her love is stupid because of that, even when her love is bring up it's forced and dull, because the moments when she think about Sasuke are meaningless and totally nonsense.

[Slextrem]

I think for some, it comes down to whom one is like the most. Hell, I see people use that point just to back up their argument even when it's not fully true. I think people pull from any character, and no, I believe some of you pull from even Hinata even though it's not being said. I've personally never liked a character based on how they relate to myself tbh. I just like a character because I like a character. Development, attitude, all that plays out in how I feel about them.

That's one thing I can't stand in debates. When people try to relate relationships between characters to real life experiences that they've been through personally.

[StriderC]

That's one thing I can't stand in debates. When people try to relate relationships between characters to real life experiences that they've been through personally.

I don't see how that has relevance when it comes to debates either considering this is a fictional. I'm well aware of the fact that there's realness that plays a part in it, but it could go any which way, and blow the relation to a real life experience clean out of the water. For instance, SS. Sakura's love for Sasuke even after his attempts to murder her. Naruto's persistence in his pursuit of Naruto. I've NEVER witnessed this in my life, and I don't bring it up in an argument because I never have to. NS has more than enough development, logic, and all that jazz for me to work with in a debate and believe in as a possible couple. I think some people fall back on this for reassurance. I'm not branding anyone here. Just how I feel on the matter.

[Don-kun]

@redragon88
You know I never wonder why they like the pairing, but remember a Popular user on NF who by the way dislikes all pairings and owns a Anti FC ( too much detail) saying that SS is only liked by young girls and he could assure there was no male supporter out there, for his surprise there were few who were voicing there opinion on the matter, so I don't know if there genuine like the pairing or they only wanted him to heat his words. If I'm not mistaking this did happen the time when they made a battle of sex pairing poll.

Edited by Don-kun, 06 April 2013 - 05:15 PM.

[Slextrem]

I don't see how that has relevance when it comes to debates either considering this is a fictional. I'm well aware of the fact that there's realness that plays a part in it, but it could go any which way, and blow the relation to a real life experience clean out of the water. For instance, SS. Sakura's love for Sasuke even after his attempts to murder her. Naruto's persistence in his pursuit of Naruto. I've NEVER witnessed this in my life, and I don't bring it up in an argument because I never have to. NS has more than enough development, logic, and all that jazz for me to work with in a debate and believe in as a possible couple. I think some people fall back on this for reassurance. I'm not branding anyone here. Just how I feel on the matter.

Not only that, but people can experience the same kind of situations differently. For example, in comparison to SasuSaku, there may be a woman that suffered an abusive relationship but she forgave the abuser and they lived happily ever after. On the other hand, there may be a woman that experienced the exact same situation but grew to fall out of love with the abuser and eventually left him. Which personal experience is more correct to apply to the manga than the other? How do you decide something like that?

There was a guy that tried arguing to me that Naruto holding hands with Hinata is proof enough of his love for her, since that's how he would show his love to a woman. That's not how it works in fiction. If it's not presented on the page, (in other words, if Naruto doesn't say he loves Hinata), it can't be confirmed to be true. It can be speculated upon, but it can't be confirmed.

Edited by Slextrem, 06 April 2013 - 05:18 PM.

[Sakura_Blossom]

I think for some, it comes down to whom one is like the most. Hell, I see people use that point just to back up their argument even when it's not fully true. I think people pull from any character, and no, I believe some of you pull from even Hinata even though it's not being said. I've personally never liked a character based on how they relate to myself tbh. I just like a character because I like a character. Development, attitude, all that plays out in how I feel about them.

I do not think that's really terrible, especially because I know people who like some character or relationship because they identify with it. Particularly I like almost all the characters, Hinata is my second favorite female character, then only the Sakura. I love she! Just wish she did not think both Naruto and do something to become able to lead his clan.
The only reason that I usually use to compare the reality with characters is because I like to understand why so many people like more of a certain character that makes almost no difference in history.