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[TouKen4Life3g]

Let's go back and actually look at the 2 pages in question so that we may determine what has actually happened and use that information to foreshadow what's going to happen.



Okay so initially it seems quite romantic and it is Sakura's fantasy for that to happen. So far what we can tell is that Naruto knows exactly what she wants to hear, but......



... then we have Sakura reacting in a very comical way. Not at all serious.
To make things worse we have Naruto with the punchline creating a cliche sad anime character moment. She didn't shed a tear, she didn't express how hurt she was, she just had a cliche moment.


Now this is why I don't really believe the "She fell in love with him in that scene!" claim. Furthermore it's clearly pointed out that she already has feelings for him that are based on her desire for acknowledgement (and also because every single other girl in her class likes him therefore he's totally a great guy, totally...)

It's also worth mentioning that we don't even know if Naruto genuinely loves her forehead. All we know is that he used it as a joke claiming it was "something Naruto would say". Could that be interpreted as Naruto's true feelings? Maybe, but we can't know for certain until we get a non comical scene where Naruto confirms his feelings.

After Naruto asks Sakura what she thinks of him is when it starts to get serious. Everything before then was comical and can't be taken seriously.


Anyways, I don't mean to sound anti-narusaku here I just think that Kishimoto does a good job of clearly showing what's serious and what's comical, we should recognize this and form our arguments accordingly.


edit: typo

Well to be fair, he wasn't making Sasuke cooler, rather he was curious what she think of Naruto in the serious manner since she can talk to Sasuke without hesitation. He didn't do anything to make her come to him, she did it herself, and Naruto was feeling too much love that he went with the flow. So pretty much, Naruto certainly loves her and honestly, it's best to tell that he does loves every features of Sakura, including her forehead.

Edited by NaruSaku4Life3g, 06 April 2013 - 02:37 PM.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

Let's go back and actually look at the 2 pages in question so that we may determine what has actually happened and use that information to foreshadow what's going to happen.



Okay so initially it seems quite romantic and it is Sakura's fantasy for that to happen. So far what we can tell is that Naruto knows exactly what she wants to hear, but......



... then we have Sakura reacting in a very comical way. Not at all serious.
To make things worse we have Naruto with the punchline creating a cliche sad anime character moment. She didn't shed a tear, she didn't express how hurt she was, she just had a cliche moment.


Now this is why I don't really believe the "She fell in love with him in that scene!" claim. Furthermore it's clearly pointed out that she already has feelings for him that are based on her desire for acknowledgement (and also because every single other girl in her class likes him therefore he's totally a great guy, totally...)

It's also worth mentioning that we don't even know if Naruto genuinely loves her forehead. All we know is that he used it as a joke claiming it was "something Naruto would say". Could that be interpreted as Naruto's true feelings? Maybe, but we can't know for certain until we get a non comical scene where Naruto confirms his feelings.

After Naruto asks Sakura what she thinks of him is when it starts to get serious. Everything before then was comical and can't be taken seriously.


Anyways, I don't mean to sound anti-narusaku here I just think that Kishimoto does a good job of clearly showing what's serious and what's comical, we should recognize this and form our arguments accordingly.


edit: typo

Totally agree and the part that support your and mine claim is that neither on her confession which was the core part and neither when she tried to kill Sasuke this part bought up on her mind, leaving the obviously hint that this scene was just for comic.

[TouKen4Life3g]

Totally agree and the part that support your and mine claim is that neither on her confession which was the core part and neither when she tried to kill Sasuke this part bought up on her mind, leaving the obviously hint that this scene was just for comic.

For the record, I don't think she fell in love with Sasuke because of that comment. She just does. The purpose is for both of them to fix their problems: Naruto need to grow up if he wants her to see him in a better light and Sakura need to give Naruto a chance in respect.

Edited by NaruSaku4Life3g, 06 April 2013 - 02:41 PM.

[HauntedCake]

I still think this scene has a serious focus on Naruto's feelings for Sakura regardless of whetehr it is meant to be comical or not.

[Branden]

I still think this scene has a serious focus on Naruto's feelings for Sakura regardless of whetehr it is meant to be comical or not.

It has a serious focus on both their feelings but like I said it only gets serious after Naruto asks Sakura what she thinks of him.

[TouKen4Life3g]

I still think this scene has a serious focus on Naruto's feelings for Sakura regardless of whetehr it is meant to be comical or not.

Not the whole scene was comical. And trust me, I do believe the bench scene can happen, not because to correct the misunderstanding from the past, rather show a huge change between them. First, Naruto is doing it in her own normal self. Second, Sakura will have a drastic different opinion of Naruto, so it's more natural for them at the scene. Lastly, and perhaps a huge bonus though possible, Naruto will say that forehead comment to her, making what seems to be fairy tale into reality. It's a big win-win.

I like your sig.

Edited by NaruSaku4Life3g, 06 April 2013 - 02:50 PM.

[Don-kun]

Let's go back and actually look at the 2 pages in question so that we may determine what has actually happened and use that information to foreshadow what's going to happen.



Okay so initially it seems quite romantic and it is Sakura's fantasy for that to happen. So far what we can tell is that Naruto knows exactly what she wants to hear, but......



... then we have Sakura reacting in a very comical way. Not at all serious.
To make things worse we have Naruto with the punchline creating a cliche sad anime character moment. She didn't shed a tear, she didn't express how hurt she was, she just had a cliche moment.


Now this is why I don't really believe the "She fell in love with him in that scene!" claim. Furthermore it's clearly pointed out that she already has feelings for him that are based on her desire for acknowledgement (and also because every single other girl in her class likes him therefore he's totally a great guy, totally...)

It's also worth mentioning that we don't even know if Naruto genuinely loves her forehead. All we know is that he used it as a joke claiming it was "something Naruto would say". Could that be interpreted as Naruto's true feelings? Maybe, but we can't know for certain until we get a non comical scene where Naruto confirms his feelings.

After Naruto asks Sakura what she thinks of him is when it starts to get serious. Everything before then was comical and can't be taken seriously.


Anyways, I don't mean to sound anti-narusaku here I just think that Kishimoto does a good job of clearly showing what's serious and what's comical, we should recognize this and form our arguments accordingly.


edit: typo

I think you misunderstand my post, I wasn't referring to Sakura's feeling on that post, I was referring to Sakura's Image of Sasuke, we all know that most of the times he was kind of jerk's with her that is the reason why Sakura asked him if he hated her, in her mind it clearly shows that one moment he was all nice, look down in her soul, complemented her insecurity and they almost kiss, the next moment he was all Sasuke again, so that kind of confuse Sakura since she wanted to see that sweet Sasuke again.

@Dαrkrєrsŧ
If you were a Mangaka and you want to keep the romance subplot a secret until the end, will you use that bench scene has a reason why Sakura could not kill Sasuke? Wouldn't that show the readers that once she knows the truth her feelings for Sasuke will be severely lessen?
So even if that scene meant anything to her or not, the fact remains that it would be a wrong move by Kishi to use that scene because no matter what kind of curve ball he throw at the readers with the romance stuff he would not confuse the readers anymore.

[StrikerTheNoble]

Not the whole scene was comical. And trust me, I do believe the bench scene can happen, not because to correct the misunderstanding from the past, rather show a huge change between them. First, Naruto is doing it in her own normal self. Second, Sakura will have a drastic different opinion of Naruto, so it's more natural for them at the scene. Lastly, and perhaps a huge bonus though possible, Naruto will say that forehead comment to her, making what seems to be fairy tale into reality. It's a big win-win.

I like your sig.

Theres an actual problem with bringing the bench scene up. He called her anoying. He will have to do some explaining and apologising for that.

[Dkey]

But there was a scene where Sasuke said thank you. where was that and why did he thank her?

[Branden]

Oh it's fine, to be honest I don't read many posts entirely. I just glance over what people are discussing and if it sparks a bit of thought for me then I write something about it.

If I respond directly to somebody, then I read their post.

[HauntedCake]

I think you misunderstand my post, I wasn't referring to Sakura's feeling on that post, I was referring to Sakura's Image of Sasuke, we all know that most of the times he was kind of jerk's with her that is the reason why Sakura asked him if he hated her, in her mind it clearly shows that one moment he was all nice, look down in her soul, complemented her insecurity and they almost kiss, the next moment he was all Sasuke again, so that kind of confuse Sakura since she wanted to see that sweet Sasuke again.

@Dαrkrєrsŧ
If you were a Mangaka and you want to keep the romance subplot a secret until the end, will you use that bench scene has a reason why Sakura could not kill Sasuke? Wouldn't that show the readers that once she knows the truth her feelings for Sasuke will be severely lessen?
So even if that scene meant anything to her or not, the fact remains that it would be a wrong move by Kishi to use that scene because no matter what kind of curve ball he throw at the readers with the romance stuff he would not confuse the readers anymore.

Are you saying that usiong the bench scene for NS is a bad thing??

[TouKen4Life3g]

Theres an actual problem with bringing the bench scene up. He called her anoying. He will have to do some explaining and apologising for that.

Wait who? Sasuke?

But there was a scene where Sasuke said thank you. where was that and why did he thank her?

It happened in the end of their conversation. The thank you is most likely for the memories and/or reminding that Team 7 is a family. In the confession, she first talk about her relationship with him and how he was cold in that bench scene, which he doesn't remember the first time. The second act was about the good times within Team 7 and how they all can connect, but Sasuke told her that his path is different from them, which is why he will leave and never return because that's how he is. He does remember that, but pretty much hide until the thank you. The last act was of course, her confession, her final hope to stop him, which doesn't work. So the last thing he can do is show one last gratitude before he leaves. And that was the last time we ever heard a conversation between them.

Edited by NaruSaku4Life3g, 06 April 2013 - 03:43 PM.

[Shadow1275]

Theres an actual problem with bringing the bench scene up. He called her anoying. He will have to do some explaining and apologising for that.

Naruto never called Sakura annoying, he drank some bad milk and lost control of his bladder. He'll have to explain about the whole tricking her into thinking he was Sasuke but if Kishi does decide to bring it at some point which will probably be when Naruto confesses, I don't think Sakura will care.

[redragon88]

Remind me again but SasuSaku basically holds on to the hope that:

A) Sasuke magically develops feelings for Sakura despite no previous foreshadowing about it whatsoever.
B) Sasuke's "thank you" was actually his way of expressing his secret romantic love for Sakura which has no previous foreshadowing either.

Not really much to stand on, is it?

[TouKen4Life3g]

Remind me again but SasuSaku basically holds on to the hope that:

A) Sasuke magically develops feelings for Sakura despite no previous foreshadowing about it whatsoever.
B) Sasuke's "thank you" was actually his way of expressing his secret romantic love for Sakura which has no previous foreshadowing either.

Not really much to stand on, is it?

No, it's not. The databook (just hear me out) never suggest anything significant with him and her. Even the corrected unbiased translated part suggested it. There's no romance coming from him. To me, I think the thank you applies to Team 7 because it would be the last time that he can say nice thing about them. When he confronted Naruto, it's not about Team 7 to him, it's about them two, Mano y Mano.

[StrikerTheNoble]

Naruto never called Sakura annoying, he drank some bad milk and lost control of his bladder. He'll have to explain about the whole tricking her into thinking he was Sasuke but if Kishi does decide to bring it at some point which will probably be when Naruto confesses, I don't think Sakura will care.

Sorry your right. I just reread it and it was Sasuke who said it. For some reason i thaught it was Naruto trying to make Sasuke look bad. Go figure. Its so convenient having the manga in book form at home. Even if its not complete (yet).

Edited by StrikerTheNoble, 06 April 2013 - 04:02 PM.

[TouKen4Life3g]

Sorry your right. I just reread it and it was Sasuke who said it. For some reason i thaught it was Naruto trying to make Sasuke look bad. Go figure. Its so convenient having the manga in book form at home. If its not complete (yet).

Like I said, both Naruto and Sakura learned a lesson from that chapter. Naruto was immature and if he wants to look good rather making other look better, he needs to grow up and do it with his own hands. Sakura was immature for not considering what Naruto feel, which ironically hit Sasuke bad, so she needs to respect to Naruto as he can be hurt too. Funny how that chapter works.

[redragon88]

No, it's not. The databook (just hear me out) never suggest anything significant with him and her. Even the corrected unbiased translated part suggested it. There's no romance coming from him. To me, I think the thank you applies to Team 7 because it would be the last time that he can say nice thing about them. When he confronted Naruto, it's not about Team 7 to him, it's about them two, Mano y Mano.

I'm not saying that's what I believe, I was just saying what I think the SS fans believe in order to hope for their pairing to happen. I do think as well that Sasuke's thank you was more in appreciation of Sakura and nothing else, but that won't stop fans from believing otherwise.

I mean, apart from the usual "Sakura loves Sasuke soooooooo much" argument, there's really nothing else to hold on to. People try to use the few times Sasuke was kind to Sakura as proof of his secret love for her, but that's really stretching it, isn't it?

[Baguette]

I'm not saying that's what I believe, I was just saying what I think the SS fans believe in order to hope for their pairing to happen. I do think as well that Sasuke's thank you was more in appreciation of Sakura and nothing else, but that won't stop fans from believing otherwise.

I mean, apart from the usual "Sakura loves Sasuke soooooooo much" argument, there's really nothing else to hold on to. People try to use the few times Sasuke was kind to Sakura as proof of his secret love for her, but that's really stretching it, isn't it?

Striker's probably going to call me a hypocrite for this, but I have to ask. Are there even any male SasuSaku fans? Because I can't help but get the impression that its just a bunch of girls who see it as the ideal romantic story.

[TouKen4Life3g]

I'm not saying that's what I believe, I was just saying what I think the SS fans believe in order to hope for their pairing to happen. I do think as well that Sasuke's thank you was more in appreciation of Sakura and nothing else, but that won't stop fans from believing otherwise.

I mean, apart from the usual "Sakura loves Sasuke soooooooo much" argument, there's really nothing else to hold on to. People try to use the few times Sasuke was kind to Sakura as proof of his secret love for her, but that's really stretching it, isn't it?

Oh I'm not accusing you. I'm just saying that it's far too late for anything that convinced us. The damage is done and honestly, her flashback before trying to stab him could have more exposition, but instead, it shows us what we know, so in other words, her love really did start with fan girl first. Not the best love at first sight. I mean at least Karin has a legit reason. Does it mean SK will happen? I don't know, but we have to wait and see, right?