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[Sakamaki Izayoi]

If anyone at all in the entire Naruto universe was smart they would exploit the hell out of shadow clones. Naruto could literally just have 1 shadow clone in his office doing work, 5 other shadow clones out reading and studying and stuff, 10 more out in other villages being all diplomatic and stuff, 20 around the village helping people out, 40 practicing ninjutsu, 1 out with his (potential) family with Sakura, and finally his original would simply be doing muscle exorcises since you only gain the knowledge from shadow clones not the physical exorcise.

Using that method it would take about 1 month to bring peace to the shinobi world, surpass the sage of six paths in strength, and make Konoha a Utopian society.

It's just so utterly exploitable, no wonder that jutsu was an ultra secret forbidden technique, anyone who knows it could take over the world.

I dont think so i wish at least i could understand those clones, any kind of attack can make Naruto's clone disappear but he took two meteors and was still "online".

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 06 April 2013 - 12:30 PM.

[Branden]

I dont think so i wish at least i could understand those clones, any kind of attack can make Naruto's clone disappear but he took two meteors and was still "online".

From what I understand there's a sort of threshold each clone has before it explodes. That threshold has yet to be explained.

[rocci]

I only scratched the surface of how exploitable it is. By the very rules Kishi put in place shadow clones are the most powerful jutsu in existence. Since we already know that shinobi are capable of gathering chakra he could essentially create an unlimited number of shadow clones by having them gather chakra to make more. In less than an hour he could have an army of milions! With that many shadow clones he could have them all do anything, ANYTHING, and he would gain an absolutely titanic level of knowledge and essentially surpass anyone in the world in any subject. Past that we know that whatever Naruto has on him when he shadow clones is duplicated so in theory he coul copy any object in the world for as long as his shadow clone is present. To go even further the transformation jutsu has yet to be limited since we've seen him transform into giant piles of rocks, so he could transform into a 10 foot tall version of himself. So you would have an army of milions of giants that exceed the knowledge of any other person on the planet.


Anyway that's enough of me expressing how rediculously OP shadow clones are. Let's talk about NaruSaku!

Cloner is IMBA

[HauntedCake]

The real Naruto will be having Sexy fun time no Jutsu with Sakura-chan

I all seriousness, NS relationship will be very sexually active.

Edited by HauntedCake, 06 April 2013 - 01:01 PM.

[StrikerTheNoble]

The real Naruto will be having Sexy fun time no Jutsu with Sakura-chan

I all seriousness, NS relationship will be very sexually active.

Yep. Considering how perverted they both are... It should be fun ...

[TouKen4Life3g]

The real Naruto will be having Sexy fun time no Jutsu with Sakura-chan

I all seriousness, NS relationship will be very sexually active.

Yep. Considering how perverted they both are... It should be fun ...

Somehow, I just remember the ending of Inuyasha. Not from Inuyasha/Kagome, but rather from another. I mean 3 kids that fast. I wonder if Naruto world has...that...

[Canadian_DJ]

Maan this debate thread sure jumps alotta pages

Gotta caaatch up...

Btw guys i these questions have been bugging me for a while now, whens data book 4 gonna be released? whens the art book 4 gonna be released? whens the 8th popularity poll gonna take place??? so many questions and yet such little answers

[Jake]

Who would teach NS kids?

I've always pictured Konohamaru for some reason.

Kurenai is the only one who could really teach Sakura and right now she's pregnant so I don't think that'll happen.

Kurenai is not pregnant, the baby was shown in chapter 533.

Edited by Jake, 06 April 2013 - 01:11 PM.

[Branden]

I've always pictured Konohamaru for some reason.



Kurenai is not pregnant, the baby was shown in chapter 533.

Oh wow I completely looked over that. I guess she could but it would be offscreen and somebody would have to take care of the kid.

The question is, who?

My guess is Shino.




I mean just look at this guy, who wouldn't trust him with their kids.

[HauntedCake]

Off-topic:

Just been listening to a song i like and i just realized something:



LEONA LEWIS SUPPORTS NH


But in all seriousness, leona lewis is a great singer. Loves FF13 and the trailer this music goes with

[Inferno180]

One thing I see happening for NS to truly parallel Minakush in full circle, is if Sakura finds out it was Naruto who first complimented her.

I mean aside from the obvious parallels, its probably one thing that we all want to see, her figuring out it was Naruto who loved her the whole time, not Sasuke. I can see Naruto telling her this at some point and she may clobber him for doing that, but also thank him most likely. Eh there are so many ways Kishi could do NS around now. It would just be insane if this stuff did not come, the whole development and the parallels not coming back to Sakura would just be insane. Everything is there for kishi to use, he can make NS anyway now, just needs to really make Sakura begin to get over Sasuke and there is still time for it to be done in a good space of development as well.

[Codus N]

Yeah sorry, I get a bit worked up whenever I'm reminded of what happened, shouldn't have directed my rage towards you.
Still...Sakura did practically nothing useful during the entire fight(s). And Kishimoto wonders why people call her a bad heroine...

Exactly. Also, here's a good assessment of a protagonist's role (particularly females)

Protagonism, simply protagonism.

Whereas Lucy doesn't appear by far to be the strongest mage in the series, she is by far the most important because she is the heroine of the show.

In Bleach Rukia is a second tier fighter but she is given far more importance than Unohana, Yoruichi or any other strong women because Rukia is the girl who met Ichigo and caused the adventure to start.

Whereas I think Kubo forces Rukia to play important roles, I think Mashima gives ample room for Lucy's growth which is tied to the far reaching plot.

He already did that amazingly in Rave Master, so the mistery and weirdness magnet behind the main female protagonist is one of his fortes.

The above example shows the female protagonists' roles in their respective stories, and what the poster points out is that both females each have an impact in an active manner in their stories, and subsequently, the hero.

I'll ask this question again to everyone, does both girls (Hinata and Sakura) have an impact on the story, and subsequently, the hero?? The answer is no. If you deem their roles as pairing fodder to be impacting to the story, I'm gonna say HELL NO. A role like that is a passive role. This is what people here seem to mix up romantic fodder with active instead of passive.

However, 615 seems to have grown Hinata out of that passive role. Whether she'll remain in an active role remains to be seen. Sakura?? still passive as ever since Part I. Gaara arc was the one moment where she took an active role in affecting the story, but Kishi screwed up the consistency and never followed up again.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

Exactly. Also, here's a good assessment of a protagonist's role (particularly females)



The above example shows the female protagonists' roles in their respective stories, and what the poster points out is that both females each have an impact in an active manner in their stories, and subsequently, the hero.

I'll ask this question again to everyone, does both girls (Hinata and Sakura) have an impact on the story, and subsequently, the hero?? The answer is no. If you deem their roles as pairing fodder to be impacting to the story, I'm gonna say HELL NO. A role like that is a passive role. This is what people here seem to mix up romantic fodder with active instead of passive.

However, 615 seems to have grown Hinata out of that passive role. Whether she'll remain in an active role remains to be seen. Sakura?? still passive as ever since Part I. Gaara arc was the one moment where she took an active role in affecting the story, but Kishi screwed up the consistency and never followed up again.

If yyou're saying that she didnt take an active role during all Naruto's fights i'll have to disagree but i'll agree with some parts, during the first reunion she was about to do something but yamato wanted to be a hero, second during Naruto's fight on the roof when she tried to stop the fight, the rest she took a passive role now Hinata if a pep talk means active role then i dont know.

but i'f you're talking that Sakura is passive all the time then i'll disagree.

[Don-kun]

One thing I see happening for NS to truly parallel Minakush in full circle, is if Sakura finds out it was Naruto who first complimented her.

I mean aside from the obvious parallels, its probably one thing that we all want to see, her figuring out it was Naruto who loved her the whole time, not Sasuke. I can see Naruto telling her this at some point and she may clobber him for doing that, but also thank him most likely. Eh there are so many ways Kishi could do NS around now. It would just be insane if this stuff did not come, the whole development and the parallels not coming back to Sakura would just be insane. Everything is there for kishi to use, he can make NS anyway now, just needs to really make Sakura begin to get over Sasuke and there is still time for it to be done in a good space of development as well.

Good point, but don't you think Sakura will feel betrayed by Naruto for doing something like that to her?
The bench scene is a moment I really want Kishi to revisit both at the same times I have some huge doubt of what would be her reaction, sometimes I imagine her smiling about it, other times like that it was you Sig by LadyGT and other times I picture her very piss for believing that the Sasuke who complemented her will one day return but then discovering it was all a lie, I don't know what to expect but I want that moment to be touch by Kishi before the end. Fingers crossed.

[HauntedCake]

I really hope the bench scene is brought back up. Once Sakura realizes it was Naruto who complemented her would she really fell betrayed??? Betrayed by what???

If anything her finding out it was Naruto will give her the final push to realize her love for Naruto

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

I really hope the bench scene is brought back up. Once Sakura realizes it was Naruto who complemented her would she really fell betrayed??? Betrayed by what???

If anything her finding out it was Naruto will give her the final push to realize her love for Naruto

The only thing that is left is for her to acknowledge that Naruto changed her or he change her and i think this is yet to come.

[FoolishYoungling]

The only thing that is left is for her to acknowledge that Naruto changed her or he change her and i think this is yet to come.

Why do I feel like Ino will help Sakura to see this?

[Don-kun]

^^
Me Too.

I really hope the bench scene is brought back up. Once Sakura realizes it was Naruto who complemented her would she really fell betrayed??? Betrayed by what???

If anything her finding out it was Naruto will give her the final push to realize her love for Naruto

Good point, but don't you think Sakura will feel betrayed by Naruto for doing something like that to her?
The bench scene is a moment I really want Kishi to revisit both at the same times I have some huge doubt of what would be her reaction, sometimes I imagine her smiling about it, other times like that it was you Sig by LadyGT and other times I picture her very piss for believing that the Sasuke who complemented her will one day return but then discovering it was all a lie, I don't know what to expect but I want that moment to be touch by Kishi before the end. Fingers crossed.

Back in Sakura 1st confession she didn't specifically mention the complement but she talked about his sudden behavior that day, anyway that just a silly thought. I desire this moment since I want so see what she will say about it being Naruto, but at the same time it makes me feel a little uneasy maybe am just being silly.

Edited by Don-kun, 06 April 2013 - 02:11 PM.

[TouKen4Life3g]

Why do I feel like Ino will help Sakura to see this?

It's possible. I know Ino knows her flaws, including hiding stuff from others about the truth. It's good and bad, but lately, bad. Anyway, it is possible. The funny thing is that her habit of keeping it secret got to the point that her feelings is in secret that even she doesn't know yet. Go figure.

[Branden]

Let's go back and actually look at the 2 pages in question so that we may determine what has actually happened and use that information to foreshadow what's going to happen.



Okay so initially it seems quite romantic and it is Sakura's fantasy for that to happen. So far what we can tell is that Naruto knows exactly what she wants to hear, but......



... then we have Sakura reacting in a very comical way. Not at all serious.
To make things worse we have Naruto with the punchline creating a cliche sad anime character moment. She didn't shed a tear, she didn't express how hurt she was, she just had a cliche moment.


Now this is why I don't really believe the "She fell in love with him in that scene!" claim. Furthermore it's clearly pointed out that she already has feelings for him that are based on her desire for acknowledgement (and also because every single other girl in her class likes him therefore he's totally a great guy, totally...)

It's also worth mentioning that we don't even know if Naruto genuinely loves her forehead. All we know is that he used it as a joke claiming it was "something Naruto would say". Could that be interpreted as Naruto's true feelings? Maybe, but we can't know for certain until we get a non comical scene where Naruto confirms his feelings.

After Naruto asks Sakura what she thinks of him is when it starts to get serious. Everything before then was comical and can't be taken seriously.


Anyways, I don't mean to sound anti-narusaku here I just think that Kishimoto does a good job of clearly showing what's serious and what's comical, we should recognize this and form our arguments accordingly.


edit: typo

Edited by Branden, 06 April 2013 - 02:31 PM.