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[RyrineaHaruno]

I told him to proved prof of this and I don't think he hasn't replied back lol and I agree Jenskott THAT IT SOUNDS like Sakura bashing to me.

[Freakazoid]

Haha, found a post on Onemanga saying that the fans here are narrow minded. Was going to reply back to it but decided against it.

[Verilance]

i just read it too and I think the point of it was we are narrow minded because we don't agree with them.

It is not worth arguing about each side beleives they are right and can give examples of why and no amount of chat will convince either side otherwise. My current beef is the continous bashing of Sakura despite pages of eveidence to against people are determined to believe she has no skills what so ever and is a worthless character.

I read somewhere a long ago that Kishimoto said he had the relationship triangle and rivalry from Slam Dunk in mind when he created the three leads.

Hanimichi is in love with Haruko who is in love with Kaede Rukawa

it does resemble

Naruto is in love with Sakura who is in love with Sasuke

at least until the time skip anyway

Edited by Verilance, 23 June 2009 - 09:50 PM.

[Freakazoid]

Has the third data book been talked about at all?

A translated Sakura overview from it was posted.

Sakura Databook 3 --Click here to view--

Main text

Page 1

There's a saying: "Turning hardship and grief into nourishment is what makes a sakura, a cherry tree's flower, so gorgeous". Indeed, Haruno Sakura, a kunoichi from Konoha grew up beautifully out of the sorrows she's experienced. The death of a close one (tn: Duh?!), then the parting of ways with the person she loved... But whenever she was hurt, she faced forward, and tearfully vowed to become stronger (tn: This sentence confused the hell outta me. I cannnot vouch for its accuracy). Those sorrows engraved into her heart, her predispositions as a shinobi will certainly prove even more fruitful, as she's obtained apprenticeship under Tsunade, the legendary kunoichi. The day when the entrancingly graceful, fully bloomed sakura flower dances upon the battleground is close at hand!

Page 2

[Medical Ninjutsu]
Learning medical ninjutsu is a gruesomely difficult task, for in addition to pinpoint chakra control abilities, it requires an extensive amount of knowledge and perseverance. But Sakura, blessed with such dispositions, mastered it at a speed that amazed even Tsunade. She grew into a medical ninja prominent even in the whole village.

[Super-Strength]
Insanely strong: not exactly a qualification a teenage girl would be happy about, but contrary to the larger-than-life appearances, it's actually a ninjutsu that requires extreme accuracy in chakra control. One kneads a maximal amount of chakra inside their body, and concentrates it all into their fist in an instant! When one uses super-strength, courage and the ability to grasp the situation are even more indispensable. Delicacy, attention, and bravery: you could say that jutsu is a compilation of womanly qualities.

[Evasion Skills]
"A medical ninja musn't die by any means", says Tsunade. Incidentally, the fate of surviving while being constantly surrounded by death is more painful to a shinobi than death itself: those words of her master echo loudly into her heart... And because she's aware of her heavy responsibility, Sakura starts to build up her evasion skills! Not because her master frightens her. And certainly not to run away either. To save her many friends even all by herself, to leave a great hope behind for the future at least once, Sakura avoids daggers in a dodging ballet, with definite resolve in her heart...!!

[Guts]
Medical ninjutsu smashes even stone and heals just about any wound. However, even with such great cards in hand, whether it revives or kills ultimately depends on the user. Losing the ability to use it freely in real battle eventually turns it into a dead weight. Sakura has the means to use her cards efficiently. A spirit that remains imperturbable even in critical situations... To give things a name, she has guts!

Page 3

[Fighting Spirit]
Sakura had a fighting spirit and a strong heart before, but studying under Tsunade made these traits even more obvious in her. This might have to do with both her master's influence, and her wish to rescue Naruto and Sasuke, among others. "I'll protect the two of them": as long as that vow remains, Sakura's spirit will never break!

[A Woman's Heart and a Short Temper]
"A woman's heart is a complicated thing". A saying the many people who've been in contact with Sakura must know by heart. Delicacy and boldness, shyness and anger, kindness and aggression. Predicting what her ever-changing state of mind will jump to next is distressingly difficult. "Gotta stop fooling around in front of Sakura-chan", swears Naruto. "Dang it, she's grown into a fairly good second coming of Tsunade...", sighs Jiraiya.

[Tsunade]
She'd discovered and gotten the basics of her chakra control abilities down thanks to Kakashi, and upon acquiring a master the likes of Tsunade, those abilities flourished in a heartbeat! While Tsunade is happy her successor has appeared, Sakura is mustering a sense of respect and utmost confidence towards her master.

[Sai]
Sakura entertains complex feelings towards Sai, who was assigned to Team Kakashi as a replacement for Sasuke. Acknowledging Sai as a team member means acknowledging Sasuke's absence. But following Sai's evolution, Sakura learned how to bond with him as well.

[Naruto]
In her childhood, Sasuke was the object of her yearning, then loving feelings. Naruto was just the nuisance that would force itself between Sasuke and her, and ruin the day in some fashion. But looking back on the past after a few missions handled together, Sakura suddenly realized. In her painful moments, when she'd abandoned even the will to live, the one who'd protect her and encourage her was Naruto, the supposedly annoying one... What feelings does she harbor towards Naruto?... As of now, Sakura hasn't found the answer.

Page 4

[Promise]
To bring back the fleeting, ordinary life that crumbled away upon Sasuke's desertion from the village... And to keep her friends out of harm's way. The day she knocked on Tsunade's door is the day she bid farewell to the Sakura who could do nothing but cry during "that night".

[Resolve]
Sakura knows that in the shinobi world, one must pay a suitable compensation to obtain something. Despite this, if she could recover Sasuke... and the daily life that were lost, Sakura would gladly make any sacrifice. And that resolve gives Sakura the strength to open a way towards the future.

Captions

Page 1

-I'll become strong too, you won't be alone

-Having surmounted and fed off a great amount of grief, the battleground's cherry blossom now blooms profusely!

Page 2

-The fighting spirit her mentor passed down upon her at heart, kunoichi Sakura runs onto the frontline!!

Page 3

-Just how many faces does a woman have?! They're just as multiple as the emotional facets she hides under her chest.

-New allies, a new master. And budding new feelings...?!

Page 4

-Earnestly wishing "the old days" back, she chases after him!!

Picture comments

Page 1

-She wants to know the truth... Her ardor pushes her to investigate things such as Akatsuki and the bijuu.

-Day after day of strict training under Tsunade give Sakura confidence in herself.

-Originally, Sakura's a supporting type, but she displays growth in taijutsu, enough to endorse an offensive position.

-Warmhearted and romantic on the one hand, down-to-earth to the point of callousness on the other...

Page 2

-Using medical ninjutsu in battle requires one to be extremely skilled in the art.

-Along with her explanation about the importance of dodging skills, Tsunade puts her disciple through intensive training...!

-Handling herself with wonderful ease, she dodges attacks even from a hundred of puppets!!

-(The bottom picture that expands over p.138 & p.139)Even Hiruko, in which Sasori, the master craftsman as they call him, had great confidence, she crushed in one blow!

-"Bravery" is not the same as recklessness. It's the ability to put a rational judgment into action.

Page 3

-Because of her feelings for her friends, and her confidence in her master, Sakura smiles boldly, even in a critical situation.

-Does her heart beat unexpectedly fast before the unforeseen, rapid growth of her childhood friend...?

-The next second, her punch flies in the blink of an eye and hits him! Is Naruto a major pain in her neck......?!

-Perhaps because Tsunade put her through hell while training her, Sakura... the Sakura shows absolute obedience to her!

-Sakura is also the one who immediately found out about Sai's complex personality.

-Her various memories with Naruto float like a night fog* across her mind...

-Moved as she is by Naruto's devotion, tears are flowing down her cheeks.

Page 4

-She couldn't stop Sasuke and Naruto was harmed as a result, a past that now shapes her present.

-The Sakura who was constantly encouraged by Naruto is now the one who gives him strength. Her mental growth is apparent.

-Upon thinking about Sasuke, regret tightly grips her heart, and strength invades it at the same time!

While at the same time only part of this was talked about in the Narutofan thread, and it seemed to lean (atleast in the translator's view) to a brother/sister relationship. I have no idea how authentic it is so sorry if anything is false.

[Jenskott]

Wolfheart,

We argued the third databook in This thread..

This is what tells in Sakura's profile, "Naruto" section:

From Sakura's chara page, "Naruto" section:
"Since when she was a child Sakura had always felt admiration and a feeling similar to love for Sasuke. Naruto was just an "annoying" boy who stood in the middle between Sakura and Sasuke and disturbed their relationship. But after completing many missions together with him, she looked back at the past and finally realized: when she was in trouble, when she was ready to give up on her life, the one who was always there, protecting her and encouraging her, was in fact that "annoying" boy, Naruto. What are her current feelings for Naruto...? Sakura still hasn't found an answer."

Does it sound like if it's describing a sibling relationship? I don't think it so. In fact, the girl translated this section in Mangahelpers got BASHED because that paragraph supported NaruSaku.

I told him to proved prof of this and I don't think he hasn't replied back lol and I agree Jenskott THAT IT SOUNDS like Sakura bashing to me.

If you have asked for proof and that person hasn't replied (not even to tell he/she doesn't remember where read it or hasn't got the link), it speaks worlds about his/her credibility and his/her statement' believability.

If that person can't provide you with concrete proof, don't buy it.

Haha, found a post on Onemanga saying that the fans here are narrow minded. Was going to reply back to it but decided against it.

People in this forum narrow-ninded? This is the only place in the whole Internet where I talk about Naruto with other fans because people isn't so narrow-mind and fanatically obsessed like in other places.

I read somewhere a long ago that Kishimoto said he had the relationship triangle and rivalry from Slam Dunk in mind when he created the three leads.

Bwahahahahaha! I thought of that when I read Slam Dunk. Hanamichi was in love with Haruko. Haruko was in love with Rukawa. And Rukawa couldn't care less about her.

Moreover, Rukawa was silent, arrogant, somewhat jerkish, but a great basketball player. Hanamichi was an awful player but with a great potential, and couldn't stand Rukawa because was a better player and Haruko was in love with him. It wasn't unusual Haruko talked to Rukawa, he put her down, Hanamichi got angry and shouted at him, and Haruko got angry at Hanamichi for picking on Rukawa.

[Freakazoid]

Thanks for the link Jenskott, sorry for reposting it here then.

[Jenskott]

You have nothing to apologise for.

[Freakazoid]

Brilliance has hit me! Since NaruSaku is obviously the underdog(regardless of the signs toward canon). Kishi's whole theme is underdogs! It may not be the most popular pairing, actually one of the most hated and underrated in the Naruto fandom. Obviously Kishi shall continue his underdog theme and pair these 2 together!



Also for those that are out there debating, and continue to get hit with the brother/sister argument. Strike back with Sakura is like Sasuke's annoying little sister, and Sasuke is like Sakura's cool older brother. They would be backed into a corner of double standards if they say that is not possible.

[Jenskott]

Since NaruSaku is obviously the underdog(regardless of the signs toward canon). Kishi's whole theme is underdogs! It may not be the most popular pairing, actually one of the most hated and underrated in the Naruto fandom. Obviously Kishi shall continue his underdog theme and pair these 2 together!

NaruSaku being the underdog pairing is an odd situation strictly created by the fandom. No more, no less.

I'll never understand Naruto's fandom obsession for pairing characters up, specially in a story with little romance.

Also for those that are out there debating, and continue to get hit with the brother/sister argument. Strike back with Sakura is like Sasuke's annoying little sister, and Sasuke is like Sakura's cool older brother. They would be backed into a corner of double standards if they say that is not possible.

It'd be amusing, but Sakura has stated in canon she likes Sasuke, so it'd invalidate... no, wait, Naruto has stated, thought, showed and proven over and again he likes Sakura, and they STILL tell he sees her like a sister. And whereas it's been hinted Sakura is falling in love with Naruto (regardless if it's true or not or who she ends up with), it has never been hinted Sasuke is in love with Sakura. And they STILL tell he's in love with her.

And then you find NaruSasu fans swear Naruto is in love with Sasuke, Sakura is like a -kitteny, abusive and annoying- sister to him, and if he ends up with Sakura she'd be Naruto's second course. They claim that in spite of Naruto has said he sees Sasuke like his BROTHER, he has said he likes Sakura and he has been chasing her the entire series. That IS the canon.

Anyway, that "brother/sister" argument is only convenient-sounding garbage for those refusing seeing something beyond their ship. I never give any credit that statement for it sounds stupid and usually it's baseless.

[Dreamer]

Kishi has spent the whole entire part 2 focusing on a future NarutoXSakura relationship, It would be stupid for Kishi to just do away with all those moments Naruto/Sakura has spent together throughout Shippuden and just throw away all the work that was put into a successful NarutoXSakura relationship.

Edited by 6thHokage, 01 July 2009 - 12:27 AM.

[Jenskott]

Not only in Part II, 6thhokage. Naruto/Sakura relationship has been developing the entire manga. Regardless the nature of their relationship, that's a fact.

I'm staying away the manga for several chapters. It's better reading several chapters in one row, instead of reading bits, parts and chunck os the storyline each week. Besides, I'm not interesed in reading bits of fanservice, I preffer the full picture.

One example: back in Part II second arc, Sakura punched Sai for -justly- badmouthing Sasuke. She seemed utterly furious, and given that I'm not an obsessed shipper blinds himself when he sees something can get in the way of his favored pairing, I thought maybe it was a hint of she was still in love with Sasuke.

And then I read the next chapters in one row, and I thought NaruSaku hints were incredibly blatant and obvious, and I wondered how anybody could NOT see them.

NaruHina fans were esctasic after chapter 98, thinking Naruto and Hinata would start one relationship. They didn't know Naruto wouldn't see Hinata in nearly two hundred chapters (and his eagerly waited meeting would consist of Naruto greeting her and Hinata fainting). NaruHina fans were in Heaven after chapter 437. It's been nearly twenty chapters from then and not only Naruto and Hinata haven't talked again but also we have got some big NaruSaku hints.

NaruSaku is the pairing has got the most constant, steadier development in the entire series. It's because that fact I think it's the pairing with more chances to happen.

I've heard bits of the latest chapter but I'm not worried about it. So Sakura interrupted herself, fell in her knees and wept? What about it? That scene can be interpreted in many ways: she realizing she still loves him or she realizing she DOESN'T love him anymore. It's ambiguous -again- and we'll see what happens. I wouldn't be shocked if we see numerous NaruSaku hints after this.

Naruto/Sasuke final battle is coming -I think-, and Kishimoto is driving fans crazy, making them wondering what Sakura feelings are and whom she'll choose. He loves doing that.

[TwilightLink20xx]

^Heh, thank you very much, I've heard enough of that one. Their bond has been played up too much to be that simple. If they were only meant to be brother and sister, Kishi would have already taken care of it, not dragged it out this much.

[Jenskott]

^Heh, thank you very much, I've heard enough of that one. Their bond has been played up too much to be that simple. If they were only meant to be brother and sister, Kishi would have already taken care of it, not dragged it out this much.

You're welcome.

It isn't hard refuting so much nosense. The most of the arguments are nothing but meaningless, senseless, absurd garbage, and they'll keep being garbage EVEN IF NH/SS becomes canon.

I'm not talking about "NH relationship advanced in big strides despite the few screentime" and the like. If Naruto and Hinata finally ended up together -I highly doubt it, but that isn't the matter-, I would be able to agree the validity of that statement.

I'm talking about arguments such like: "Kishimoto will make NH because he's a DB fan!", "Sakura is a b*tch doesn't deserve Naruto and she's like his sister anyway!", "Naruto is such an idiot blind because he can't acknowledge true beauty!", "Naruto will fall in love with Hinata because she's large breasts!", "NaruSaku will never happen because it's EPIC FAIL and it'll always be!", "Naruto and Hinata will end up together because they can restore the Uchiha clan!", "So what if she's a stalker? She's to observe her future husband!", "Pain didn't kill Hinata because he realized Naruto loved her and he was trying driving them together!", "Kishimoto told in an interview he'll make the pairing we ship!", "If Sakura stops loving Sasuke she's a b*tch! But NAruto is free for falling out of love with her and in in love with Hinata", "Sasuke is in love with Sakura! He left in order to protect her from Itachi!" "Sasuke wasn't really going to kill her during Team 7 meeting!", "Who does Sakura believe she is for hitting Naruto? Sasuke is way better that her for Naruto!"...

I'm talking about the the obsessive mindset drives many fans to make up so much absurd stuff, searching proof of their pairing in everywhere, denying naively whatever thing doesn't suit their hopes, and mainly arguing obsessively and unceasingly with any Naruto fan.

I'm talking about the stream of "NaruSaku? Noooooo!" shouts, "Bwahahahahah! NaruSaku will never happen!" taunts, "Are you stupid or brainless? Hinata is way better that Sakura in everything and you know it!" insults, "You should draw NH/SS instead. That's like it's intended to be. You'd get more pageviews like that. NaruSaku is crack anyway" suggestions, and "NaruSaku is epic fail and will never happen because such-and-such is so-and-so" arguments fill a bunch of non-NH/SS fanworks, creating discussions and fights.

I'm sorry if I've sounded hostile. It's only I'm tired with seeing pairing wars everywhere, specially in NaruSaku fanfics/fanarts/AMVs. Some people can't stand someone makes fanworks featuring one pairing they dislike, and feel compelled to bug the Hell out of the author (and everyone are checking his/her work out of a legitimate interest). I'm starting seeing that behavior in nearly any NS fanfic, fanart and AMV I check, and it's getting very tiresome.

Don't misunderstand me. I reckon many NaruSaku fans engage in that regrettable behaviour. But I don't know, because I don't check NH/SS/NaruSasu fanworks since I am not interested in those pairings. Thusly, I don't see reason for checking them and I don't write comments pestering the author because he/she hasn't done anything I like. It'd be very rude.

[Hopestar]

OMG if you check on NF they are crazy
Tell me if this doesn't sound brutal and stupid to you?

[Freakazoid]

Nothing new so far, same ole they are just brother/sister best friends garbage. Also everyone is still clinging to Sakura's crying in 454 as a sign that she still loves Sasuke. One thing i've thought a bit about, didn't Kishimoto say he would like to see Hinata's feelings returned or something? I don't know what the full interview was, but i've seen this quoted several times. However, from my understanding he also said he wanted Naruto to become the next Hokage, and well look what happend. I suppose that kind of works in our favor in a way if both of those are in fact true.

Edited by Wolfheart, 11 July 2009 - 08:27 PM.

[Seraphic Guardian]

Well, I'm a little late into the debate aren't I? Hm, wish I had something to add, but Jenskott pretty much covered what I was gonna say about chapter 454 about Sakura crying maybe because she realized she might not actually like Sasuke like that, which is likely, although breaking down like that did seem a little bit of a stretch for that scenario. UNLESS, she realized sadly, that she didn't care whether she gave the information over about Sasuke, and that' made her feel bad because of her long conviction to bring him back. However, this is all just opinions and of course here-say (I love lawyer shows, lol), and we won't really know until Naruto is over, and Sakura has made her choice. Although it does look to be that Naruto might end soon, which will be kind of sad.

[RyrineaHaruno]

Nothing new so far, same ole they are just brother/sister best friends garbage. Also everyone is still clinging to Sakura's crying in 454 as a sign that she still loves Sasuke. One thing i've thought a bit about, didn't Kishimoto say he would like to see Hinata's feelings returned or something? I don't know what the full interview was, but i've seen this quoted several times. However, from my understanding he also said he wanted Naruto to become the next Hokage, and well look what happend. I suppose that kind of works in our favor in a way if both of those are in fact true.

No, he just said that as a stock answer not a true returned feelings. He just said I hope she get her chance too but that doesn't mean returned love. He meant at confessing her love.

One piece of advice: never trust "Kishimoto stated such-and-such" claims, specially if they're spewed by a shipper and those claims somehow support his/her shipping. Remember Naruto fandom is always making up Kishimoto interviews.

Edited by RyrineaHaruno, 12 July 2009 - 03:18 PM.

[Kyuudaime]

No, he just said that as a stock answer not a true returned feelings. He just said I hope she get her chance too but that doesn't mean returned love. He meant at confessing her love.

One piece of advice: never trust "Kishimoto stated such-and-such" claims, specially if they're spewed by a shipper and those claims somehow support his/her shipping. Remember Naruto fandom is always making up Kishimoto interviews.

Not necessarily.

[RyrineaHaruno]

Not necessarily.

UM remember the Sasuke x Naruto fandom claims and interview to that and the one wear Kishimoto supports other shipping's like NaruHina, NaruSaku, Ect. I don't take anything I find on the internet at face value anymore..."

[Cloud]

UM remember the Sasuke x Naruto fandom claims and interview to that and the one wear Kishimoto supports other shipping's like NaruHina, NaruSaku, Ect. I don't take anything I find on the internet at face value anymore..."

.......

I think everything on the internet shouldn't be taken at face value unless it had proof.