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#1541 Dkey

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Posted 25 May 2013 - 02:33 AM

QUOTE (Atheck @ May 25 2013, 04:35 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
An interesting question. Yes, actually, if Minato's statement that he has been monitoring his son's situation is applicable to the totality of his life then he should be aware of everything that Naruto has experienced up until that point. This includes all of his interactions with Sakura and the occasional exchanges of dialogue that he had with Hinata six times throughout the manga. If this is true then why would he refuse to acknowledge the person who forfeited their life in an effort to protect Naruto? Much less provide a blunt inquiry to his son that would undoubtedly be perceived as insensitive to that aforementioned girl. Perhaps he's already aware of Naruto's affections for Sakura. If that were true, however, then why would he not know her name?


Not sure if Minato will show any knowledge of Naruto's life anymore. The only thing we know is that he was watching from inside Naruto.

His question is valid either way. He knew and wanted to get an update or he didn't knew but was curious as a father.



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Posted 25 May 2013 - 02:39 AM

QUOTE (Atheck @ May 24 2013, 06:35 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
An interesting question. Yes, actually, if Minato's statement that he has been monitoring his son's situation is applicable to the totality of his life then he should be aware of everything that Naruto has experienced up until that point. This includes all of his interactions with Sakura and the occasional exchanges of dialogue that he had with Hinata six times throughout the manga. If this is true then why would he refuse to acknowledge the person who forfeited their life in an effort to protect Naruto? Much less provide a blunt inquiry to his son that would undoubtedly be perceived as insensitive to that aforementioned girl. Perhaps he's already aware of Naruto's affections for Sakura. If that were true, however, then why would he not know her name?


Is it really important for Minato to know what Hinata did for Naruto??? I honestly don't think so since she's a side character not to mention Minato just confirmed Sakura/Kushina parallel. Hinata's development is done and I don't see her important to the plot anymore. Kishi basically shot NH in the heart with this chapter I don't see the slightest attempt of him of trying to revive the pairing with making Minato saying something about what she did during the Pain arc. It's not important and it's better to the let the pairing rest for good.
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Posted 25 May 2013 - 02:50 AM

QUOTE (Gravenimage @ May 24 2013, 10:39 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Is it really important for Minato to know what Hinata did for Naruto??? I honestly don't think so since she's a side character not to mention Minato just confirmed Sakura/Kushina parallel. Hinata's development is done and I don't see her important to the plot anymore. Kishi basically shot NH in the heart with this chapter I don't see the slightest attempt of him of trying to revive the pairing with making Minato saying something about what she did during the Pain arc. It's not important and it's better to the let the pairing rest for good.

This.

It's not like he would come out and quickly recap on Hinata and say, "My mistake, THIS must be your girlfriend." Once you got the approval, it's too late. End of story.

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Posted 25 May 2013 - 02:51 AM

QUOTE (Gravenimage @ May 24 2013, 07:39 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Is it really important for Minato to know what Hinata did for Naruto??? I honestly don't think so since she's a side character not to mention Minato just confirmed Sakura/Kushina parallel. Hinata's development is done and I don't see her important to the plot anymore. Kishi basically shot NH in the heart with this chapter I don't see the slightest attempt of him of trying to revive the pairing with making Minato saying something about what she did during the Pain arc. It's not important and it's better to the let the pairing rest for good.


Amen. Just what I was thinking.

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#1545 Atheck

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Posted 25 May 2013 - 02:53 AM

QUOTE (Gravenimage @ May 24 2013, 10:39 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Is it really important for Minato to know what Hinata did for Naruto???


Regardless of her romantic affections shouldn't Minato at least acknowledge Hinata's efforts to assist Naruto? That is if he is actually aware of her in the first place.

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I honestly don't think so since she's a side character not to mention Minato just confirmed Sakura/Kushina parallel.


Forgive me for saying this but that's irrelevant to the point I am attempting to make. It's not a matter of status or prestige but what her intentions were which was to assist Naruto. Whilst she may not have been able to save him directly Hinata was concerned for his well being and made an effort to protect him.

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Hinata's development is done and I don't see her important to the plot anymore. Kishi basically shot NH in the heart with this chapter I don't see the slightest attempt of him of trying to revive the pairing with making Minato saying something about what she did during the Pain arc. It's not important and it's better to the let the pairing rest for good.


It's not any attempt to revitalize that pairing. Only to provide credit where credit should be appropriately assigned for her intentions. I fail to see how the romance dilemma is associated with Minato wanting to express a minor hint of gratitude to this girl who attempted to protect her son. Honestly, should Sakura have disregarded Lee's efforts to protect her in the Forest of Death despite his irrelevance to NS or his status as a side-character? Well I'm not aware of what you believe but I personally feel that it would have been discourteous to not even acknowledge his efforts.

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Posted 25 May 2013 - 03:02 AM

QUOTE (Atheck @ May 24 2013, 10:53 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Regardless of her romantic affections shouldn't Minato at least acknowledge Hinata's efforts to assist Naruto? That is if he is actually aware of her in the first place.



Forgive me for saying this but that's irrelevant to the point I am attempting to make. It's not a matter of status or prestige but what her intentions were which was to assist Naruto. Whilst she may not have been able to save him directly Hinata was concerned for his well being and made an effort to protect him.



It's not any attempt to revitalize that pairing. Only to provide credit where credit should be appropriately assigned for her intentions. I fail to see how the romance dilemma is associated with Minato wanting to express a minor hint of gratitude to this girl who attempted to protect her son. Honestly, should Sakura have disregarded Lee's efforts to protect her in the Forest of Death despite his irrelevance to NS or his status as a side-character? Well I'm not aware of what you believe but I personally feel that it would have been discourteous to not even acknowledge his efforts.


The problem I have with this is that Hinata would receive a treatment at least a bit more superior than any other member of the Konoha 11. And considering how everyone is fighting in this war to protect Naruto (as Gaara mentioned in his speech), I think everyone deserves praise for protecting him. Can it be discusssed that Hinata tried to protect Naruto? Yes. But so did everyone else. And this could go back even further, as we can recall many people who have protected Naruto and have encouraged him whenever he was feeling down. I'm not saying that her moment should be downplayed. What I mean is that she doesn't deserve any more attention than the rest of the people.

So in the end, we could argue that Sakura was "lucky" to be at the right place and at the right time, but the comparison made by Minato actually makes it a more meaningful comment because his thoughts are a perfect match to Kushina's wish for her son.

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Posted 25 May 2013 - 03:15 AM

QUOTE (Atheck @ May 24 2013, 07:53 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Regardless of her romantic affections shouldn't Minato at least acknowledge Hinata's efforts to assist Naruto? That is if he is actually aware of her in the first place.


Only thing I can think of if it is never brought up is that all those moments must not have supposed to be taken as highly as they were by fans.

Kishi may truly have just used it as her development and nothing more and if that is true then there is no reason for Minato to bring it up since he plays 0 roles in Hinatas development.

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Posted 25 May 2013 - 03:21 AM

QUOTE (Shadow Wolf @ May 24 2013, 07:02 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
The problem I have with this is that Hinata would receive a treatment at least a bit more superior than any other member of the Konoha 11. And considering how everyone is fighting in this war to protect Naruto (as Gaara mentioned in his speech), I think everyone deserves praise for protecting him. Can it be discusssed that Hinata tried to protect Naruto? Yes. But so did everyone else. And this could go back even further, as we can recall many people who have protected Naruto and have encouraged him whenever he was feeling down. I'm not saying that her moment should be downplayed. What I mean is that she doesn't deserve any more attention than the rest of the people.

So in the end, we could argue that Sakura was "lucky" to be at the right place and at the right time, but the comparison made by Minato actually makes it a more meaningful comment because his thoughts are a perfect match to Kushina's wish for her son.


Not to mention Kishi making Minato recognized Hinata's effort will be a move to try and revive the pairing and resume the shipping war. After this chapter Kishi really gave a critical hit to the NH pairing if he makes Minato say anything to Naruto about Hinata it will lift the hopes of the fanbase and they might start saying Hinata/Kushina parallel, this is just...please no. I said it's not important to the plot to know that the Japanese fans weren't probably that faze with NH getting the boot because they're logical and they have known all along who is the endgame pairing.
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Posted 25 May 2013 - 03:24 AM

QUOTE (Shadow Wolf @ May 24 2013, 11:02 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
The problem I have with this is that Hinata would receive a treatment at least a bit more superior than any other member of the Konoha 11. And considering how everyone is fighting in this war to protect Naruto (as Gaara mentioned in his speech), I think everyone deserves praise for protecting him. Can it be discusssed that Hinata tried to protect Naruto? Yes. But so did everyone else. And this could go back even further, as we can recall many people who have protected Naruto and have encouraged him whenever he was feeling down. I'm not saying that her moment should be downplayed. What I mean is that she doesn't deserve any more attention than the rest of the people.

So in the end, we could argue that Sakura was "lucky" to be at the right place and at the right time, but the comparison made by Minato actually makes it a more meaningful comment because his thoughts are a perfect match to Kushina's wish for her son.

Amen.

You know, how would the situation be like if Hinata was the one behind Naruto. Naruto may straight up say no for all we know. If yes, Hinata will go stuttering and Minato may be like "Not what Kushina wanted but no one is perfect." Honestly, Sakura was just perfect for this moment and that's all there to it. It's like you go from one moment to another and it worked.

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Posted 25 May 2013 - 03:26 AM

QUOTE (Shadow Wolf @ May 24 2013, 11:02 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
The problem I have with this is that Hinata would receive a treatment at least a bit more superior than any other member of the Konoha 11. And considering how everyone is fighting in this war to protect Naruto (as Gaara mentioned in his speech), I think everyone deserves praise for protecting him. Can it be discusssed that Hinata tried to protect Naruto? Yes. But so did everyone else. And this could go back even further, as we can recall many people who have protected Naruto and have encouraged him whenever he was feeling down. I'm not saying that her moment should be downplayed. What I mean is that she doesn't deserve any more attention than the rest of the people.

So in the end, we could argue that Sakura was "lucky" to be at the right place and at the right time, but the comparison made by Minato actually makes it a more meaningful comment because his thoughts are a perfect match to Kushina's wish for her son.


I would argue that attempting to single-handedly protect Naruto as he was inevitably going to be removed from Konoha by the leader of Akatsuki to be killed would take a greater degree of precedence than an entire group of shinobi arriving to assist a battle-active Naruto who is going to be restored to full stamina to fight once again. The former implies hopeless determination amidst insurmountable odds whilst the latter only suggests a temporary sacrifice with the hope of abeyance from their suffering once the person they have attempted to protect is able to defend himself once again.

They're two different situations.

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Posted 25 May 2013 - 03:32 AM

QUOTE (NaruSaku4Life3g @ May 24 2013, 10:50 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
This.

It's not like he would come out and quickly recap on Hinata and say, "My mistake, THIS must be your girlfriend." Once you got the approval, it's too late. End of story.


I'm a little sad actually, earlier I was looking at other sites, some people proclaim that now with Sakura having this power, they are calling her selfish, Aka any little thing kishi does, they try to find anyway they think of to bash her.

I'm still seeing comments about, "This was an anti-ns chapter, Naruto is like Kushina and Sakura is like Kushina, kishi even said he was not going to pair the main guy with the main girl. You don't marry your mother."

facepalm.png How hard is it to understand? Did kishi ever say this? What interviews are they talking about?

Did they ever consider that this statement itself actually is what NH tends to be? Hinata idolized Naruto, what do people do with their idols? Try to follow their example and way, in this same sense, can we call Hinata a Naruto? So it would be either Naruto and Naruto or Naruto and Kushina with NH?

They say, "He has been dead for 16 years, what does he know about his own son? He is just like Yamato and Sai who have no idea what they are talking about."

Man this statement with the chapter being anti-ns, minato being wrong, some saying the parallel is used against us so the whole naruto-kushina and sakura-kushina locks out the possibility of NS. (Yet they still claim Hinata is like Minato?)

I have much more enjoyment this week, but this is only the first time the rapid anti-NS fanbases have been hit, its a total nightmare to logic. I mean I'm still been listening to some NH arguements for this, some think that Hinata may assert herself, this I can at least say was a rational one compared to all this drable. At this point, wendsday cannot come soon enough cause listening to this stuff is really breaking my brain down, I mean come on, Sakura and Kushina have very similar traits and occurrences in their pasts with Naruto and Minato respectively, if that was not obvious and Minato just confirmed it, what more will it take? Naruto's forehead compliment? Minato saying he listened to his mom before he leaves?

I honestly feel like this right now:



You know what? I'm glad we are in another action phase rather than dialogue like the majority of the past few weeks, at least if they are fighting this stuff should die down for a bit. If its at least just focused on team 7, its really just NS and SS possibilities if anything. You know what? I'm actually happy for SS to be around, it may have been halted but it makes more sense right now than NH cause there are still loose ends for Sakura towards Sasuke. Least you don't see those fans going insane despite the fact that this ship was hit in the land of iron. Maybe as long as the focus does not include hinata, we can get more stanity cause remember, apparently Hinata is always right and Sakura is always wrong.

I'm still waiting for the mighty goddess Hinata to beat the ten tails by herself, oh wait she can't, cause its up to team 7, taka, the edo hokages, Bee, kakashi, and possibly the other kages (Maybe Guy too? I mean he and kakashi are very powerful).

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Posted 25 May 2013 - 03:33 AM

QUOTE (zatheko @ May 24 2013, 07:15 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Only thing I can think of if it is never brought up is that all those moments must not have supposed to be taken as highly as they were by fans.

Kishi may truly have just used it as her development and nothing more and if that is true then there is no reason for Minato to bring it up since he plays 0 roles in Hinatas development.


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Posted 25 May 2013 - 03:36 AM

y'know? I'd wonder how Ss would react if Sakura called Minato father in Law after the battle? tongue.gif Just a thought. Not likely I know.

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Posted 25 May 2013 - 03:46 AM

QUOTE (Phantom_999 @ May 24 2013, 11:36 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
y'know? I'd wonder how Ss would react if Sakura called Minato father in Law after the battle? tongue.gif Just a thought. Not likely I know.


I know how I'd react, I would send an angry letter to Kishi (I don't care if he couldn't read it) demanding to know why we didn't see the ceremony.

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Posted 25 May 2013 - 03:53 AM

QUOTE (Jake @ May 24 2013, 11:46 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I know how I'd react, I would send an angry letter to Kishi (I don't care if he couldn't read it) demanding to know why we didn't see the ceremony.

You know, it's a good thing people in here don't know his address. I would be alarm if I was Kishi. I wonder his wife read the chapter and goes aww and such.

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Posted 25 May 2013 - 04:03 AM

QUOTE (Inferno180 @ May 24 2013, 08:32 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I'm a little sad actually, earlier I was looking at other sites, some people proclaim that now with Sakura having this power, they are calling her selfish, Aka any little thing kishi does, they try to find anyway they think of to bash her.




The greatest favor you can do for yourself is to steer clear of the vortex of hate and denial. There's so much good to think on. So much great stuff ahead. smile.gif

I actually feel sorry for anyone whose expectations have grown to such unrealistic proportion that it is no longer possible for them to enjoy the story. We've believed for a long time that Naruto was going to succeed and make his dreams come true. He stands to become a very happy young man. It's a shame that so many readers of the story won't be happy for him.




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Posted 25 May 2013 - 04:03 AM

QUOTE (NaruSaku4Life3g @ May 24 2013, 08:53 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
You know, it's a good thing people in here don't know his address. I would be alarm if I was Kishi. I wonder his wife read the chapter and goes aww and such.


Does kishi really have a wife? because in other sources it never mention his marital status. headscratch.gif

I know in the interview it mentioned about how other mangaka's made a joke about sakura is similar like kishi's wife.

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Posted 25 May 2013 - 04:05 AM

QUOTE (rikakim94 @ May 25 2013, 12:03 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Does kishi really have a wife? because in other sources it never mention his marital status. headscratch.gif

I know in the interview it mentioned about how other mangaka's made a joke about sakura is similar like kishi's wife.

Yeah, he's married. He has a family. In fact, the report had it that his family went to see RtN early screening. One interview said that he's a family man.

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Posted 25 May 2013 - 04:08 AM

QUOTE (NaruSaku4Life3g @ May 24 2013, 09:05 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Yeah, he's married. He has a family. In fact, the report had it that his family went to see RtN early screening. One interview said that he's a family man.


May i see the source of the interview? also how many kids he have? happy.gif

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Posted 25 May 2013 - 04:15 AM

QUOTE (rikakim94 @ May 25 2013, 12:08 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
May i see the source of the interview? also how many kids he have? happy.gif

Well I have to dig for it. Someone should fill me in. Playing game.




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