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[Sakamaki Izayoi]

 

 

I'm not saying it was a hit to the pair I'm saying its more like restraining it from moving on further.

 

They are still at the "kind of sort of friends but maybe sort of ambiguously closer than that" level if they are going to move onto being an actual pair (which Kishi most likely will) he needs to get around the corner he wrote himself in with the land of iron situation. NS didn't take a hit from what happened but this pair isn't going anywhere until the problems in the summit arc have been solved (Sakura getting over Sasuke, and Naruto actually accepting that etc.)

 

It was pretty straight-forward, concerning who she loves and she thought of Sasuke, granted ofcourse its an anti SS moment but at this point I don't really buy the fact that she doesn't love Sasuke anymore until its actually proven because her still loving him despite seeing what a psychopathic douche he was and trying to kill her several times didn't stop her from loving him I just don't believe she automatically stopped loving him at all off-panel and turned to Naruto all of the sudden without it being shown. 

 

I know what you're trying to imply which is the same mindset i had.
People keep putting doubts on a straightforward scene like the lover ninja which is obvious that she still loves Sasuke.

As for Sakura the summit shows it, Kishi indeed wrote himself into the corner with NS to a point that it wont progress further until she actually fall in love with Naruto which she didnt and if she did would be off-panel and unlogical because there would have "problems".

Also the arguments are that she "hasnt realized she loves Naruto" however my counter-argument and on which has always been is that on her confession to Naruto she realized those feelings however, it was enough for her to be with him but the problem is that she didnt loved him and that wasnt right.

 

Also my issue with Naruto confessing is that the current Sakura leaves the suggest that she might have chosen Naruto but the problem like i pointed out is that she doesnt love him, she's restraining or rejecting her feelings for Sasuke because of what he's now and it's not a person she should been in love but that doesnt bring a positive turn towards NS.
Naruto confessing he would not distinguish if she is returning his feelings because she loves him or she's returning his feelings because she doesnt want to be with Sasuke and is giving a chance to Naruto.

In a way that's horrible, the only way to get out of that is to actually write the moment where Sakura falls in love with Naruto.

 

 

Sasuke tried to kill her, after those chapters it was never really shown that she still fully loves him. 540 would have been straight forward if it would have been like:" theres someone that i like" then sakura thinking of sasuke not:"if its somebody that you love hes bound to be a great person."

 

That would make SS look in a positive tone  .

It's straightforward because Kishi wanted to show Sakura's approach on this issue after the summit moment.
On the summit she admits she loves him and it's shown on the flashbacks but he tried to kill her and it's feelings that she's not proud of.
The conclusion is that she loves Sasuke but it's not proud of those feelings, that doesnt show that her feelings for him decreased.

But rather the possibility for her to falling in love with someome else on further chapters.

That's illogical to assume that after the summit she suddenly pulls that she doesnt love Sasuke anymore.

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 13 March 2014 - 12:44 AM.

[PhenixElite]

I know what you're trying to imply which is the same mindset i had.
People keep putting doubts on a straightforward scene like the lover ninja which is obvious that she still loves Sasuke.

As for Sakura the summit shows it, Kishi indeed wrote himself into the corner with NS to a point that it wont progress further until she actually fall in love with Naruto which she didnt and if she did would be off-panel and unlogical because there would have "problems".
Also the arguments are that she "hasnt realized she loves Naruto" however my counter-argument and on which has always been is that on her confession to Naruto she realized those feelings however, it was enough for her to be with him but the problem is that she didnt loved him and that wasnt right.
 
Also my issue with Naruto confessing is that the current Sakura leaves the suggest that she might have chosen Naruto but the problem like i pointed out is that she doesnt love him, she's restraining or rejecting her feelings for Sasuke because of what he's now and it's not a person she should been in love but that doesnt bring a positive turn towards NS.
Naruto confessing he would not distinguish if she is returning his feelings because she loves him or she's returning his feelings because she doesnt want to be with Sasuke and is giving a chance to Naruto.
In a way that's horrible, the only way to get out of that is to actually write the moment where Sakura falls in love with Naruto.
 
 
 
That would make SS look in a positive tone  .
It's straightforward because Kishi wanted to show Sakura's approach on this issue after the summit moment.
On the summit she admits she loves him and it's shown on the flashbacks but he tried to kill her and it's feelings that she's not proud of.
The conclusion is that she loves Sasuke but it's not proud of those feelings, that doesnt show that her feelings for him decreased.
But rather the possibility for her to falling in love with someome else on further chapters.
That's illogical to assume that after the summit she suddenly pulls that she doesnt love Sasuke anymore.

she actually fall in love with Naruto which she didnt and if she did would be off-panel and unlogical because there would have "problems".

the above:

Funny that yamatos sentence suggests otherwise.

 

540 shows her decreasing feelings for sasuke and why would the author show something like this? Because shes about to loose those feelings for him.

Edited by PhenixElite, 13 March 2014 - 12:52 AM.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

she actually fall in love with Naruto which she didnt and if she did would be off-panel and unlogical because there would have "problems".

the above:

Funny that yamatos sentence suggests otherwise.

 

540 shows her decreasing feelings for sasuke and why would the author show something like this? Because shes about to loose those feelings for him.

If she was actually in love they would have been canon since the summit.

 

Yamato's part is true however the manga shows up diferent kinds of love, he would not be wrong about saying that she loved Naruto but however is not the romantic love which we are discussing.

[PhenixElite]

If she was actually in love they would have been canon since the summit.

 

Yamato's part is true however the manga shows up diferent kinds of love, he would not be wrong about saying that she loved Naruto but however is not the romantic love which we are discussing.

Yamatos sentence supports the: sakura not realizing her feelings for naruto possibilty as well as databook 3 with:"how does she feel about naruto? she ´hasnt found an answer yet".

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

Yamatos sentence supports the: sakura not realizing her feelings for naruto possibilty as well as databook 3 with:"how does she feel about naruto? she ´hasnt found an answer yet".

An databook outdated...
I can counter it with the summit which i expressed on my post above.

 

Before the poal, she thought about her feelings and Naruto and it turned out she wasnt in love with him.

This "she doesnt realizes she loves Naruto" it's illogical because Naruto hasnt followed the criteria of other shounens whom face kind of problem, we never saw Sakura being jealous about Naruto and other girl, never we have only one where she was sad about Hinata willing to sacrifice her life for Naruto which could mean about Sakura's mentality about not doing enough for Naruto.

Anyway i would believe on this "she hasnt realized her feelings for Naruto" if Kishimoto showed Sakura being jealous at Naruto or being annoyed at the possibility of him being with another girl we didnt get none of that.

The only pairing who mirrors NS was Minato and Kushina and it only became canon because Minato changed Kushina and made her stop thinking low about herself which is something that Naruto didnt do to Sakura and it's probably going to be adressed later with the forehead thing or whatever.

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 13 March 2014 - 01:23 AM.

[PhenixElite]

An databook outdated...
I can counter it with the summit which i expressed on my post above.

A databook also shows the intentions of the author, so it doesnt matter if its outdated. Do you really believe that kishi made sakura unsure about her feelings for naruto but then at the summit she comes to the conclusion that in the end there was nothing for him. pls thats just pathetic.

 

Also how would they be canon if sakura already loved naruto during the summit? Naruto was the one who didnt accept her confession.

 

About the sakura beeing jealous thing: In my opinion it was clearly shown during pain that sakura was saddened that hinata loved naruto.

 

Edit:

 

Before we drag this conversation into the neverending, why dont we just turn it all around and you guys dont think about the possibilitys of NS happening but about the possibilitys of it not happening since we have so many doubters for god knows what reasons-

 

As far as i know there are 3 options beside NS:

NH, SS and open ending.

 

Now someone pls tell me how one of these above is going to happen without asspulling and leaving plotholes.

Edited by PhenixElite, 13 March 2014 - 01:38 AM.

[HokagexNaruto]

NH could happen because she has big boobs. /sarcasm.

SS could happen because she doesn't care about Naruto and wants the ''cool'' guy. /sarcasm. 

An open-ending could happen well... because... the author can do that, I guess. 

 

But seriously, if those did happen, there would be a lot of plotholes, tbh and I don't think it will go like that. 

Edited by HokagexNaruto, 13 March 2014 - 01:55 AM.

[luffyq1]

When Naruto wakes up I demand that she hugs him, maybe if we're lucky we'll get a hug, an even more intimate huge than the pain arc if that's even possible. And I want to see a heart-to-heart conversation from these two. They've got to get somethings off of their chest.

Edited by luffyq1, 13 March 2014 - 02:07 AM.

[redragon88]

By saying what he did the way he did, Sai made it sound as if Sakura's main and true motive was killing Sasuke for Sasuke's good because she loves him so much -- as if Sasuke was her focus and motivation for everything.  It's the main element that casts the entire confession in a questionable light.  It's the element that makes it seem as if the feelings for Naruto that she confessed were completely phony.

 

No he didn't.

 

Sai was simply responding to Naruto's objection that Sakura wouldn't be capable of committing such an act because of her feelings for Sasuke. Sai then proceeded to elaborate on how Sakura could use her love for Sasuke as a way to justify killing him (saving him from darkness).

 

It was very clear that Sakura wouldn't have done the killing attempt if Sai hadn't pointed out Naruto's pain to her.

 

There's a difference between the reasons you do something and how you look to justify them.

 

Imagine stealing money from a corrupt man in order to feed your family. What you have in your mind at all times is how your family needs to be provided for, but you still feel bad for committing a crime. Therefore you find comfort in thinking on how corrupt the man you're stealing from is in order to lessen the burden of committing a crime.

 

What Sakura has in her mind at all times is Naruto's safety, but she still feels bad for killing someone she loves. Therefore she finds comfort that she'll save Sasuke from darkness in order to lessen the burden of killing someone she loves.

 

Just to be clear I'm simply explaining how Sai viewed the situation, whether he's accurate to think like that or not.

[HokagexNaruto]

 

When Naruto wakes up I demand that she hugs him, maybe if we're lucky we'll get a hug, an even more intimate huge than the pain arc if that's even possible. And I want to see a heart-to-heart conversation from these two. They've got to get somethings off of their chest.

 

This. This. This.  This. This. 

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

 

When Naruto wakes up I demand that she hugs him, maybe if we're lucky we'll get a hug, an even more intimate huge than the pain arc if that's even possible. And I want to see a heart-to-heart conversation from these two. They've got to get somethings off of their chest.

 

In front of Obito i dont know...

[luffyq1]

In front of Obito i dont know...

Obito can just turn his head and ignore them.

 

[Heartsbattle]

 

When Naruto wakes up I demand that she hugs him, maybe if we're lucky we'll get a hug, an even more intimate huge than the pain arc if that's even possible. And I want to see a heart-to-heart conversation from these two. They've got to get somethings off of their chest.

 

Yeah, you're right. This needs to happen. 

[Raito]

As much as we all expect a hug or something you guys get ready for disappointment because Kishi will speed through it. Gai's death will have a really big impact that it will make NS moment feel like nothing :/ 

[KnS]

My point is that everything in the Land of Iron that happened has took this pairing and made it difficult for it to move forward in a realistic way

 

In the post I linked to, I explained why the Land of Iron is not a deal-breaker.  Sakura has since shown that she is not siding with Sasuke and does not even trust him, and Naruto has since admitted to his father that Sakura is more or less his girlfriend.  That's pretty clear proof that he's a lot closer to accepting her than you're saying.

 

Before we drag this conversation into the neverending, why dont we just turn it all around and you guys dont think about the possibilitys of NS happening but about the possibilitys of it not happening since we have so many doubters for god knows what reasons-

 

I know.  Like I said, it doesn't seem much like a NS forum to me these days.  You have to argue in favor of NS with people on this site too.

 

No he didn't.

 

I appreciate that it's your opinion, but it is not mine.  

 

The way I interpret it, Sai shatters the credibility of Sakura's feelings for Naruto immediately by telling Naruto that she did not come out there to confess her love.  That in itself would not necessarily have proved she was insincere, just that she had not originally planned to tell Naruto how she felt about him.

 

But Sai makes it worse with his explanation.  When Naruto can't believe Sakura would do it because she loves Sasuke so much, Sai says: 

 

"It's because she loves him... that she doesn't want him to sink any lower.  It's because she loves him that she wants to rescue him from the evil path he walks now. Even if the only way to do it is with her own two hands, I believe she's prepared to do it.  Because she loves him.  Which also means she's willing to let you hate her forever, Naruto.  I think it's her way of atoning for saddling you with the burden of that promise for so many years."

 

The flavor of it shifts to being more about Sasuke. That Sakura was willing for Naruto to hate her forever because she loves Sasuke enough to be the one to kill him, and that she wanted to pay Naruto back for his promise.  

 

I'm sorry, but no matter how I slice it, Sai's comments are why so many people believe Sakura's confession was insincere, and that it was more about Sasuke than Naruto.

 

It's not what I believe, and that's why I want to believe -- or at least hope -- that Sai was incorrectly interpreting Sakura's feelings and motives.

 

When Naruto wakes up I demand that she hugs him, maybe if we're lucky we'll get a hug, an even more intimate huge than the pain arc if that's even possible. And I want to see a heart-to-heart conversation from these two. They've got to get somethings off of their chest.

 

What if... Obito restores Kurama's yin chakra (and whatever else) but Naruto's heart sputters.  Sakura continues CPR and Naruto's heart comes back online while she's still giving him mouth-to-mouth...?

 

Maybe in his woozy delirium he thinks she's kissing him, and he reveals his feelings?  

Edited by KnS, 13 March 2014 - 03:20 AM.

[Gojira]

 

When Naruto wakes up I demand that she hugs him, maybe if we're lucky we'll get a hug, an even more intimate huge than the pain arc if that's even possible. And I want to see a heart-to-heart conversation from these two. They've got to get somethings off of their chest.

 

I never understood what the big deal about the hug.

[Gojira]

 

 

In the post I linked to, I explained why the Land of Iron is not a deal-breaker.  Sakura has since shown that she is not siding with Sasuke and does not even trust him, and Naruto has since admitted to his father that Sakura is more or less his girlfriend.  That's pretty clear proof that he's a lot closer to accepting her than you're saying.

 

Its not SS I'm worried about since that's pretty much dead in the water anyway

 

its how confusing everything in the Land of Iron is. Kishi says she was being honest and stubborn. Yet its proven on 3 occasions immediately afterwards that she was in fact lying

 

The fact that Naruto had to actually think it through and say "more or less" kind of makes it seem like he's less confident compared to when the subject was first brought up by Konohamaru all those years ago (on the plus side Sakura didn't deny it immediately afterwards like she did before)

 

The only thing that I'm worried about happening is an open-ending happening because even though NS most likely will happen Kishi is making it pretty difficult for himself to make it canon

[Superman333]

I ain't gone lie , Gai's daddy looked like he was made up as Kishimoto was drawing chapter 668 .

[narusaku256]

Ok, so all we need is for Sakura to realize her feelings for Naruto. I speculate and hope that since Kishi is ending this manga now, he might start that with Naruto's awakening. Now, as for the confession part, it lies in our best interest to ignore it for now since the only role it is playing is either putting in some faith that NS is the end game or making us doubt that whether NS is the endgame. I think since Kishi got backlashed at the confession part and he could not convey what he really wanted to, so he might make a jump back to the confession in upcoming/future episodes and make the picture clearer. But that's just my opinion. Anything and literally anything is possible right now. BTW, I have seen many pics of Sakura and Naruto when they were kids like 4-5 years. I think it were he days before they joined the academy and they happen to have very cute NS moments ^_^. Are they shown in anime? If yes then can some kindly provide me with the link to those episodes?

Edited by narusaku256, 13 March 2014 - 05:30 AM.

[luffyq1]

I never understood what the big deal about the hug.

In my opinion, it's one of the best displays of intimacy shown between a hetero relationship in the series so far. Plus, the only other time we saw a hug was between Naruto and his mom. Hugs are pretty rare in this series.

Edited by luffyq1, 13 March 2014 - 05:35 AM.