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[TouKen4Life3g]

Sure, you can say NS one-sided in terms of love, but again, this whole part has been showing Sakura's side, so it's progressing and that's why people must brush it off as much as they can.

[narusaku256]

for some reason I just don't think Gai will die .

I hope it turns out the way you say.

[Raito]

I hope Gai dies because, at least it will seem like a war when a main character dies. This entire time only Neji has died who is a main, we need more deaths to make this war a real one.

[narusaku256]

I hope Gai dies because, at least it will seem like a war when a main character dies. This entire time only Neji has died who is a main, we need more deaths to make this war a real one.

Gosh you are harsh XD( I don't mean it at all). BTW since we have Kabuto's redemption do we have any chances that Orochimaru might return to the village after this war is over?

[MoonDrop04]

Gosh you are harsh XD( I don't mean it at all). BTW since we have Kabuto's redemption do we have any chances that Orochimaru might return to the village after this war is over?

Nah probably not :( but I do wanna see Kabuto maybe absorb orochimaru!!! Plot Twist!!! XD

[narusaku256]

Nah probably not :( but I do wanna see Kabuto maybe absorb orochimaru!!! Plot Twist!!! XD

XD Orochimaru is still at whole new level as compared to Kabuto B)

[Gojira]

not sure about that Kabuto was giving Sasuke and Itachi a run for their money...at the same time.

[MoonDrop04]

XD Orochimaru is still at whole new level as compared to Kabuto B)

Meh XD It was worth a shot lol

[xxRomanceGirlxx]

@Darkest:

 

The difference between Hinata and Naruto's feelings is quite obviously level of importance. Their one-sided feelings are on different spectrums because Naruto is the main character and Hinata isn't. Naruto's feelings always come first since the story revolves around him. Hinata's feelings, from a story-telling POV, really doesn't matter. Therefore, it is relevant. Think about it. Naruto is the main character. Naruto has an established love interest from Ch. 3. Naruto shows no feelings towards Hinata. One of the themes are never giving up and surpassing the previous. Hinata falls nowhere in this equation because of her side-character status so I don't see why she needs to be seen a threat.

 

Darkest, I understand your desire to not jump to conclusions but I simply can't agree with you. Yes, I know that realistically there's no true confirmation Sakura loves Naruto. But comparing her to Karin? They're very different and have different levels of control. Sakura didn't burst into tears over Naruto like she did in the Tenchi Bridge scene, but that doesn't have anything to do with whether or not she loves Naruto. It has to do with development and control. Can you honestly picture 15-year old Sakura staying together this well? I can't, especially considering she started crying way back over even the thought of this happening to him.

 

My opinion is that Sakura loves Naruto and I have evidence that could support it. I firmly believe in that idea so I can't agree with you saying she doesn't. Just agree to disagree.

Edited by xxRomanceGirlxx, 11 March 2014 - 05:54 AM.

[narusaku256]

But we can't just disregard her feelings for Naruto, can we? Her confession as well as Sakura's need to be addressed!

[TouKen4Life3g]

You know, if you ask me, now that I think about it, if what people like to say Hinata quit as soon as she falls down, well perhaps she doesn't really fall down in the line of never give up in all circumstances. That would apply to love as well. Basically what I'm trying to say is that because of her not giving up really only apply to strength and confidence. Everything else is ok to "give up", because really, it's not her character to be the way like Naruto already grasps. It's much like Sakura has the character of learning mistakes and reroute and/or improve it. The movie couldn't make it any more clearer. Anyway, the point is that only Naruto got that level of not giving up applying to all. So yes, not doing the characters properly will result a forever circle (open ended) since Naruto will not stop and shall not suffer that eternal defeat. So yeah, Naruto can't give up ever. Unless you want to push it and apply to something like...

 

Naruto: I will get you back up, Obito. I will never give up! Hey, are you here? Yoohoo. Oh, I give up.

[narusaku256]

Personally, I think Hinata will herself realize that she is no where near to Sakura when it comes to Naruto. She will herself realize that Sakura is indeed the perfect match for Naruto and she(Hinata) can't handle his personality. I mean just look at Sakura and Naruto they are too damn good to be a couple. Hinata can in no way provide such support or boost or anything you call it to Naruto. All she can do is just help him and fight by his side. But that's certainly not the case with Sakura she can stand head to head with him and guide him down the right path even if it costs her own life(My assumption that she can reach any lengths for doing something for Naruto). We've also seen that both Sakura and Naruto can remain firm and even if one of them breaks, the other makes sure they're back up again. In Hinata's case Naruto would only have to consolidate her into thinking that she is not weak and all that. Yeah we've seen Hinata attempting to boost Naruto's morale but that's how many times? Just once. But Naruto and Sakura have done that countless number of times for each other and still do. Infact, they both are an inspiration for each other and this iself has got a green card from Kishi. I just don't see Hinata doing things for Naruto at Sakura's level. Naruto and Sakura are too good to be a couple. Goddamn it, they're soul mates! BTW anyone having links for spoilers for tomorrow or they haven't been released yet?

Edited by narusaku256, 11 March 2014 - 08:37 AM.

[Otaru]

Hinata's statement is debatable. Her feelings for Naruto are different than Shikamaru's so it could be argued she is referring to a romantic sense. The "hold your hand" part for example. It would honestly be a little weird if Shikamaru said something like that.

 

Hinata in that scene seems to have romantic undertones, but it wouldn't make much sense if she was saying she was pursuing him as a partner. Naruto hasn't given any indication he returns her feelings so why would she suddenly get this confident? Looking back on it, that part doesn't make much sense that way.

 

It's most likely referring to being Naruto's equal and supporting him now that I re-analyze it. I think what made me really think more on this was how Hinata reacted to Naruto dying vs. Sakura.  If Hinata has this undying wish to be with Naruto romantically forever and prove just how much she loves him and whatnot, then why did she give up so easily on his life? No matter what excuse NH fans say about Hinata loving Naruto and not Sakura, she did give up. The prayer to Neji was obvious, there's no denying it.

 

The chapters of 662--663 just proved how much we exaggerate Hinata's feelings for Naruto. No one can say they weren't surprised on how fast Hinata gave up, then you see how Sakura refused to even for a second and it makes you wonder. 663 really showed that Sakura is the one that truly loves Naruto, not Hinata. She reacted so much more violently to Naruto's impending death than Hinata ever did.

 

I personally think Kishi did wrong to Hinata's character by doing this.

Hinata has been portrayed as someone with the same nindo as Naruto, never giving up.

She gained that from Naruto.

She admired him and she wanted to become like him.

So why, after all this progression and evolution, why did Kishi made her give up ?

Even if she's out of chakra, if she was like Naruto, she would got up continue to run/walk, or even crowl (like Pierrot made her do in that Pain filler LOL).

 

I really don't know if there was a message from Kishimoto, centred on Hinata's character specifically.

Not in her bond with Naruto, but on her personal progression.

 

I have to admit, after what he made her do, I was really surprised to see her giving up. Really.

 

 

i'll disagree, because there was no dramatic moment from Sasuke to a point that we can simply drop the gun and claim that she truly loves Naruto, Sakura was doing her job and doing her best but we didnt got any drama on it, she wasnt "OMG NARUTO PLZ DONT DIE T_T".
I think Karin had a way more dramatic reaction than Sakura we can Karin she truly loves Sasuke due to her reaction, she even asspulled a new jutsu.

 

I have to admit at first I thought just like you.

But after reflection, I now think that Karin's reaction was more dramatic because Sasuke's condition was more dramatic. She's a sensor. She realised Sasuke wasn't 'sensable' at all anymore. So to her, he was dead, really dead.

In Sakura's case, Naruto looked really damaged but there was hope.

So she did her best to not let him die.

 

And she had a strong reaction when she decided to cut him open and grab his heart.

 

She shows something she didn't show before too, just like Karin. It's true it wasn't a jutsu, but yet It's really impressive she cut him open.

 

She yelled at him, she encouraged him to not die. I also think she was saying all this to herself, to help persuade herself that he will not die.

To her, Naruto is like unstoppable.

I think she can't admit that he could die. She sees him as almost invincible IMO.

 

 

 

The problem is every other pair is pretty one-sided as well NS is no exception (implications show otherwise but Kishi has yet to make it official) 

 

Problem is the fact that she's a secondary character doesn't change the fact that her whole character revolves around her romantic admiration for the main character. Even if she's a secondary character that doesn't change the fact that it is still a problem. I hate to make parallels with other manga because it doesn't really seem like a good argument but i'll go ahead, Chi-Chi was a secondary whose whole purpose in dragonball was pretty much the same. Yes she admires him from afar and that is her character which is what makes her statement about wanting to be with him by the end of the war a problem. 

 

I'm not disagreeing with any of your points I'm simply pointing out what I think might prove to be troublesome. 

 

 

 

I doubt he will, likely someone would likely keep him from dying, he'll likely be incapacitated for the rest of the war but the set-up appears to be that someone might save Gai's life at the last second.

 

 

But the fact is... in Dragon Ball, Goku wasn't in love with another girl.

It's really not the same at all. Chi-Chi was his first love.

 

Moreover, if you want to compare... Chi-Chi is a tsundere, just like Sakura...

Edited by Otaru, 11 March 2014 - 02:07 PM.

[Gojira]

Gosh you are harsh XD( I don't mean it at all). BTW since we have Kabuto's redemption do we have any chances that Orochimaru might return to the village after this war is over?

considering the kitten he's done....absolutely not

[Dalton.T.R]

I hope Gai dies because, at least it will seem like a war when a main character dies. This entire time only Neji has died who is a main, we need more deaths to make this war a real one.

I must agree with this. However, we all know Kishi loves to kill off the best characters. Jarya, Itachi, Neji, and now possibly Gai. Who will be next? 

[HauntedCake]

spoilers???

[Gojira]

I wonder why Naruto never made a comment about Kushina's girlfriend statement or why it was left out of the movie (that was written by Kishi) did he just regret dropping that big of a hint?

[Otaru]

I wonder why Naruto never made a comment about Kushina's girlfriend statement or why it was left out of the movie (that was written by Kishi) did he just regret dropping that big of a hint?

 

For plot sake obviously ^^ LOL

He can't reveal it now because he's keeping it all for the end. I'm sure of it.

 

If he would reveal a canon pairing now, then some fans would drop the manga.

Edited by Otaru, 11 March 2014 - 07:16 PM.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

I have to admit at first I thought just like you.
But after reflection, I now think that Karin's reaction was more dramatic because Sasuke's condition was more dramatic. She's a sensor. She realised Sasuke wasn't 'sensable' at all anymore. So to her, he was dead, really dead.
In Sakura's case, Naruto looked really damaged but there was hope.
So she did her best to not let him die.
 
And she had a strong reaction when she decided to cut him open and grab his heart.
 
She shows something she didn't show before too, just like Karin. It's true it wasn't a jutsu, but yet It's really impressive she cut him open.
 
She yelled at him, she encouraged him to not die. I also think she was saying all this to herself, to help persuade herself that he will not die.
To her, Naruto is like unstoppable.
I think she can't admit that he could die. She sees him as almost invincible IMO.

That's what prevented her from being more emotive, her reaction was more of someome who knows Naruto and cares about him but not as a lover, obviously she didnt desperated but showed that she is not the same emotive girl who let her feelings get the best of her at least for a while but it's not enough to jump the gun and use the scene to prove that she does love Naruto now.
That's what i pointed about.

[Gojira]

Yeah i kind of find Sakura's reaction to Naruto dying was kind of underwhelming compared to Karin's reaction to Sasuke dying.

 

I get that she's trying to be in control of the situation but that doesn't mean you can't have her emotions slip out