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[TouKen4Life3g]

Her feelings for him are irrelevant because they did not shine through with that statement. She blatantly said she wanted to be by Naruto's side, just like everyone else.

I'm with this one. This one really tells me while she loves the man, she's really in the same pediment as others. No real standout. Should have just have her with Naruto and Gaara and Sakura I suppose to make me believe it.

[luffyq1]

Her feelings for him are irrelevant because they did not shine through with that statement. She blatantly said she wanted to be by Naruto's side, just like everyone else.

And not everyone else loves Naruto romantically like Hinata does. Oh wait, she's the only one in this series that has been confirmed to love Naruto romantically. Pretty much every panel she gets we are reminded how much she loves the guy. Hinata wants to have her feelings reciprocated.

Edited by luffyq1, 09 March 2014 - 09:12 PM.

[sushi.]

And not everyone else loves Naruto romantically like Hinata does. Pretty much every panel she gets we are reminded how much she loves the guy. Hinata wants to have her feelings reciprocated.

You are basing this of her feelings alone. Nothing in the text, or the subtext indicates it is true.

 

It is possible to like someone without wanting to pursue them.

Edited by sushi., 09 March 2014 - 09:16 PM.

[luffyq1]

You are basing this of her feelings alone. Nothing in the text indicates it is true.

 

It is possible to like someone without wanting to pursue them.

I'm basing my beliefs on her feelings and her statement, which is why I said it can be interpreted the way I pointed out. And I'm well aware that selfless love exist in this series. 

[Elicit]

Her actual intention expressed from her declaration seems pretty questionable. It's more reasonable that she means to be by his side not necessarily in a romantic way but by walking with him as an equal. The idea that she wants her feelings to be reciprocated "once this war ends" hardly seems realistic considering that he has given no indication of liking her back.

[sushi.]

I'm basing my beliefs on her feelings and her statement, which is why I said it can be interpreted the way I pointed out. And I'm well aware that selfless love exist in this series. 

How can you base your beliefs on the statement when it contradicts what you're saying? You said what really separates her from Shikamaru & Co. is her feelings, but they are not demonstrated in the text. You indirectly admitted it. If this had been the introduction of Hinata, no one would know she harbors romantic feelings for Naruto.

 

(Hinata may not want to pursue Naruto, but that does not make her feelings selfless.)

[luffyq1]

How can you base your beliefs on the statement when it contradicts what you're saying? You said what really separates her from Shikamaru & Co. is her feelings, but they are not demonstrated in the text. You indirectly admitted it. If this had been the introduction of Hinata, no one would know she harbors romantic feelings for Naruto.

Demonstrated in the text? Really? Her character is used for nothing but pairing fodder. We get "demonstrations" of her love and wanting to be with him majority of the time she's given panel time.
 

(Hinata may not want to pursue Naruto, but that does not make her feelings selfless.)

Exactly my point. It's all about want she wants, not what Naruto wants.
 

 

It's all platonic in what she says? 

[TouKen4Life3g]

You know, it's because of the fact we know the character love interest is what somewhat manipulated us. Like if a normal guy says it, it's ok. If that girl says it, it's a new level. Well to me, if the person who didn't progress higher than already is (Naruto) doesn't show anything more, why should I care?

[Superman333]

You know, it's because of the fact we know the character love interest is what somewhat manipulated us. Like if a normal guy says it, it's ok. If that girl says it, it's a new level. Well to me, if the person who didn't progress higher than already is (Naruto) doesn't show anything more, why should I care?

What do you mean if he didn't progress higher than he is ?

[sushi.]

No need to show me a panel of the chapter I've already read.

It can be interpreted in two ways.

1. She wants to be by his side as his spouse.

2. She wants to be by his side as a comrade, like everyone else.

 

This panel here leads me to the second one.

 

[luffyq1]

No need to show me a panel of the chapter I've already read.

It can be interpreted in two ways.

1. She wants to be by his side as his spouse.

2. She wants to be by his side as a comrade, like everyone else.

 

This panel here leads me to the second one.

 

You got your panel, I got mine. 

 

Agree to disagree k?

[Gojira]

You know, it's because of the fact we know the character love interest is what somewhat manipulated us. Like if a normal guy says it, it's ok. If that girl says it, it's a new level. Well to me, if the person who didn't progress higher than already is (Naruto) doesn't show anything more, why should I care?

You could make the same argument with NS granted it has Kishi dropping hints that help give it an advantage.

[TouKen4Life3g]

You could make the same argument with NS granted it has Kishi dropping hints that help give it an advantage.

Not really. Because these moments are coming from a person who isn't designed to like the other person. Whatever Hinata do is not a surprise because we already know her. Sakura is a shock factor because it is yet said that she loves Naruto.

[xxRomanceGirlxx]

Hinata's statement is debatable. Her feelings for Naruto are different than Shikamaru's so it could be argued she is referring to a romantic sense. The "hold your hand" part for example. It would honestly be a little weird if Shikamaru said something like that.

 

Hinata in that scene seems to have romantic undertones, but it wouldn't make much sense if she was saying she was pursuing him as a partner. Naruto hasn't given any indication he returns her feelings so why would she suddenly get this confident? Looking back on it, that part doesn't make much sense that way.

 

It's most likely referring to being Naruto's equal and supporting him now that I re-analyze it. I think what made me really think more on this was how Hinata reacted to Naruto dying vs. Sakura.  If Hinata has this undying wish to be with Naruto romantically forever and prove just how much she loves him and whatnot, then why did she give up so easily on his life? No matter what excuse NH fans say about Hinata loving Naruto and not Sakura, she did give up. The prayer to Neji was obvious, there's no denying it.

 

The chapters of 662--663 just proved how much we exaggerate Hinata's feelings for Naruto. No one can say they weren't surprised on how fast Hinata gave up, then you see how Sakura refused to even for a second and it makes you wonder. 663 really showed that Sakura is the one that truly loves Naruto, not Hinata. She reacted so much more violently to Naruto's impending death than Hinata ever did.

Edited by xxRomanceGirlxx, 10 March 2014 - 07:25 AM.

[Kster95]

It was not romantic. Hinata says herself she will hold Naruto's hand and after the war she will stop chasing after him. 

 

What happens, she holds his hand and nothing but friendship comes out of it so now after the war she is done chasing after Naruto for a romantic relationship. 

 

And with that kishi I believed signified the end of NH when it comes to a romantic thing.  

[Heartsbattle]

I think that a lot of people tend to think that Hinata's actions are strictly romantic... But I just don't see that being the case. I mean all of the people in the village have come to admire Naruto and rely on him. Why should Hinata be any different? She can want to stand beside him and be his equal without it being because she is 'in love' with him. Just like the rest of his comrades.

On the other side of that coin though, the reasoning why she feels that way probably stems from her romantic feelings for him. But the two don't always have to be part of the same package. If anything the feelings of romance and admiration probably enhance one another.

As far as her letting him go after the war... I don't recall that being mentioned. Does anyone know where that is?

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

It's all platonic in what she says? 

Krautchan FTW.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

Hinata's statement is debatable. Her feelings for Naruto are different than Shikamaru's so it could be argued she is referring to a romantic sense. The "hold your hand" part for example. It would honestly be a little weird if Shikamaru said something like that.
 
Hinata in that scene seems to have romantic undertones, but it wouldn't make much sense if she was saying she was pursuing him as a partner. Naruto hasn't given any indication he returns her feelings so why would she suddenly get this confident? Looking back on it, that part doesn't make much sense that way.

I think i'd get what he's trying to say but what Naruto feels about her or what he showed towards her it's irelevant because it also applies to Naruto aswell.
Remember he knew Sakura loved Sasuke but he didnt give up on being her partner.
Hinata recent speechs are ambiguous, it either can be interpreted as her desire to be with him or be interpreted as comradeship/self friendzone.
But it depends on what's going to happen on next chapters about her.
 

The chapters of 662--663 just proved how much we exaggerate Hinata's feelings for Naruto. No one can say they weren't surprised on how fast Hinata gave up, then you see how Sakura refused to even for a second and it makes you wonder. 663 really showed that Sakura is the one that truly loves Naruto, not Hinata. She reacted so much more violently to Naruto's impending death than Hinata ever did.

i'll disagree, because there was no dramatic moment from Sasuke to a point that we can simply drop the gun and claim that she truly loves Naruto, Sakura was doing her job and doing her best but we didnt got any drama on it, she wasnt "OMG NARUTO PLZ DONT DIE T_T".
I think Karin had a way more dramatic reaction than Sakura we can Karin she truly loves Sasuke due to her reaction, she even asspulled a new jutsu.
Also for Hinata she just failed and even despite knowing she wasnt capable of doing nothing she still wanted to help him but anyway.
THis Sakura moment that you're claiming as proof that she truly loves him will depend on further chapters, at least on my opinion.

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 10 March 2014 - 10:42 AM.

[Inferno180]

Thats just it though, the main problem involving NH is just the infrequentness, spontaneous occurances, and unresolved events as they happen. Not really a good basis for bringing in a relation by development.

 

I mean its like this:

 

Due to infrequentness, its largely overshadowed by occurances in not only NS but also yes SS, SS even for all its negative occurances even when Sasuke isn't present, NH just doesn't occur that often, this is the first issue it has, easily the biggest reason why it doesn't have much development. If it was more frequent then its events would hold more merit but its just that, it seems whenever it pops up, its the odd event out of the bunch. I mean again, look at the big moments like pain and 615, despite the postive NH moments, (well positive for Hinata anyways) its just look at how much of the series has emphasiszed not the NH moment, rather the other aspects such as everything pain told naruto or nejis death. Really this is what I mean, Hinata's love confession is just buried beneath all the other stuff. Naruto remembers how she defended him, but thats all we got so far as recently as 559 and well, its not much. Naruto has been focused on everything nagato said and neji's death, not confession nor hand holding. I'm not saying its anti-NH, rather, its just not as emphasized as many make it to be, its like these events happen in the dire area alongside something else naruto has actually rode along with, like all the stuff Nagato told him about similar pain and understanding. Its just the infrequentcy is just not good for NH. Its major events just happen in the middle of the action or just suddenly stop the action all at once for her to say stuff and then resume. It just feels a bit out of place, I mean back in the love confession, I feel with her character, kishi dropped the L-bomb too fast, this is what caused not only the rampent love hystera for Hinata, its also what followed with 450, 457, and 469 that flared up the pairing wars and left a troublesome situaiton for kishi, he essentially wrote himself into a corner, either he would have gone ahead with NH (as many fans thought NS ended in 09) or he didnt and well it seems so far as of recently he did the latter.

 

The spontaneous occurances are just another deal, I mean going on with how events like 437 and 615 were just so out of place, its just what the basis of NH is now, spontaneous occurances, this is exactly what the hopes of NH and to another degree SS ride on. Because of infreqtueness, because of no collateral or spaced out development, it seems the main thing NH is riding on in hopes of occuring is spontaneous occurances. Just randomized events, its not a good basis. Its literally a terrible basis for a pairing, espcially now since naruto was recently wounded and Hinata only got a sense of him dying, not actually taking part in saving him like Sakura did. Its literally the same as because Hinata wasn't linked with Kushina like many thought (despite the obvious similarities to Sakura) and now one of the moments in the entire story when the hero needed help the most, why out of all people was she left behind? I mean its the same as why didn't kishi just give the kushina foreshadow to Hinata or just skip it? He could have had Hinata come along for moral support even but no, he left her out. So just what are people expecting now? After some close call event where Sakura, Gaara, Minato, and so on all feared losing Naruto, Hinata who took no part in the effort just still gets with him? Thats just so much missed development for Hinata right there, did fans even care about her missing out? This is just another big gap in the NH theory and poential at this point, I mean the infrequentness was one thing, the kushina foreshadow (as of so far with only sakura canonically compared) was another. But now this moment, its like we have a potential NS moment coming in the future if there is a wakeup scene, we have a potential again for a Sakura-Rin parallel, its seems too good to be true with just Sakura and Obito in the dimension right now tending to naruto, I mean to think that either we just skip a scene like this, have some wakeup moment, or at least some interaction between Naruto and Obito, the priority characters in this situation, to think that some interaction between naruto and sakura, naruto and obito, or sakura and obito won't occur and we just end up back at the fight outside no wakeup scene is practically insane in itself, I mean it would be shocking in any case to not see some interaction, pairingwise to NS or not, I mean even just going on general development between naruto and obito for past and future stuff and obito thanking naruto even if that were to happen, to think it wouldn't is just again silly, espcially when many are actually expecting a NH moment to occur despite no priority or meaning for it.

 

Finally its just those unresolved events, I mean they will be resolved but just what are we to expect when we keep seeing more emphasis on other elements? Naruto still hasn't addressed Hinatas confession despite 631 saying he still loves sakura, he gave a short memory of her defending him from pain but thats it. again nothing hand holding related has come from him either thoughtwise. So what are we to expect? Sakura at least shows signs of closer feelings for naruto, naruto has shown no change in regards to sakura as she has to sasuke. So what about hinata? Really if it wasn't for her crush on naruto, she would unneeded from the story like shino kurenai at this point. Even then, Hinata still has a small template of development for just ending on her own as a clan leader, theres still a spec of a development path that kishi could ride on with her even if naruto needed to confront her and say thanks but i dont have the same feelings, but I admire your talents, etc. Even if a moment came where naruto confronted and said he doesnt feel the same way to her, kishi could still end hinatas development in a mature way with her gaining a role succeeding her father, it would be a full term development in her own right opposed to the start when hisashi disowned her. But its just again, what are we honestly expecting to occur at this point with the infrequentness and spotaneous occurances? Its just a convolued mess.

 

Really we can sum it up like this:

 

NS: It has a development path, it has been shown many times in the series, its easy to see one event flow to another, easily with how sakura started hating him and then we get a moment with her going how she cannot let naruto die, wanting him to become hokage when his dream is close.

 

SS: Its been an antagonising one on Sakura's end, it has its own development in right as a plot point of impacting her and to a lesser degree naruto. It was in a bit a catalyst reason for the land of iron stuff, but even as a pairing just fully onesided and being an antagonisizing element in the romance subplot, it still serves its purpose, this is what it has practically become, if NS is the romance subplot, SS is the antagnonist romantic subplot which caused some driving elements in NS to go futher, heck its just character development for sakura to not trust sasuke in 635. Its just in a way her growing up and its not hard for many to imagine part of sakuras ending development is knowing the difference between idealism love and the real thing.

 

NH: Its just an unconnected, sponetaneous, unresolved mess, there I said it. Its not bashing but its just, what can you suspect or honestly piece together when some many of its own events are either scattered, unresolved, or hindered by other events further promoting other pairngs? The only thing NH has over anything is that its the only pairing not centered with a girl on sasuke, otherwise its also more positive than SS, not negative, but even then, its just small and limited, just what are we to expect from it when Hinata herself is excluded from some important events? If hinata had gotten on the sand cloud or Kishi didn't bring 631 with the kushina stuff, it would still have that imagine of 615, but now, its just getting harder to believe 615 was the end as many thought. NH has shown itself in small bits, but its not enough when its been brought forward as an unresolved unfocused scattered mess of events that just seem out of place at points.

[BakeNeko-Chan]

I think that a lot of people tend to think that Hinata's actions are strictly romantic... But I just don't see that being the case. I mean all of the people in the village have come to admire Naruto and rely on him. Why should Hinata be any different? She can want to stand beside him and be his equal without it being because she is 'in love' with him. Just like the rest of his comrades.

On the other side of that coin though, the reasoning why she feels that way probably stems from her romantic feelings for him. But the two don't always have to be part of the same package. If anything the feelings of romance and admiration probably enhance one another.

As far as her letting him go after the war... I don't recall that being mentioned. Does anyone know where that is?

 

It's in the panel below.

Of course, technically, she does not say she'll 'let go', just that she'll stop 'chasing after him'. Whether she means romantically or not is dependent on your perspective.