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[Dkey]

Even though we know Kishi is going to make this canon, there's still some stuff to go through before it reaches that point, people are saying they could cover all this stuff in the end but I still think some of it needs to be cleared up now, its not really as simple as boy confesses loves and girl returns love.
 
Like I said Naruto has to confess his feelings for Sakura who despite listing all the reasons why she should love him (during the Fake Confession) doesn't and only sees him as a friend and comrade similar to how Naruto feels towards Hinata. Even though Yamato said over 300 chapters ago that Sakura loves Naruto, i'm starting to see less and less of what he's talking about. Not only does Sakura have to return those feelings but she also has to convince him that she's over Sasuke, something Naruto simply didn't believe last time because he appears to be under the impression that once your in love with someone that's it there's no going back otherwise you're just "lying to yourself"
 
This is why I hate the Fake Confession its a cluttered mess and pretty anti NS even after all that happened afterwards (Naruto saving Sakura and giving her hope again) she doesn't even consider him a love interest (the love fodder scene proves that) atleast she doesn't think she does according to the databooks.
 
The Fake Confession is confusing as hell because it goes from pro NS (sakura's confession) to anti NS and pro SS (Sakura was lying and loves Sasuke so much she can't bring herself to kill him) and then just fizzles out. Then the love fodder scene which is anti SS and yet not pro NS (it was more or less just her losing the hope Naruto gave her earlier)
 
I ahve no idea what to think of this whole mess its too confusing. 
 
Another reason why I sort of want hints that Sakura's developing feelings for Naruto right now, because at this point if listing all the reasons why she should like him (fake confession) and him being at death's door doesn't get her to realize or atleast contemplate her feelings for him then I don't care what Yamato says there's really nothing else Naruto can do at this point to get her like him. 

look the confession and pretty much the entire team 7 reunion was a low point for all the members of team 7. Sakura was in a low spot but both Sasuke and Naruto were there too. Sasuke with the falling into darkness and Naruto with the hyperventilating but imo the lowest he has in that he refused to fight sasuke even thou all his friends were for it. All 3 fell victim to the complications their lives asked of them. and there was a reason for all of that. we just have to wait

[Nostradamus]

OMG Not this again    . Let's talk about 631 and 632 because it seems people are well not very bright. First of all Naruto's reaction in 631 was perfectly normal. His father who's dead by the way, came back and ask Sakura if she was his girlfriend. Do any of you seriously expected Minato to ask that question? Of course some shippers wanted Minato to ask that question, but no one really expected it. Not even the characters in the story. Naruto's reaction was normal because it was an unexpected question. And it wasn't a joke, anyone how uses this argument clearly refuses to acknowledge this moment. Moving on to 632 that moment was done to reinforce the Sakura-Kushina parallel that was done in the previous chapter, it's pretty much the same reaction Naruto had in the Kushina flashback chapters. And this does not in same bizarre way nullify the moment from 631. Nor does it make it a joke.

[Gojira]

Someone mentioned this in another thread and is kind of a good point.

 

NaruSaku is the most likely one to become canon, even so why is Kishi setting Hinata up for a heartbreak? She says she plans on being with Naruto forever, and says that after the war she plans on being up-front and actually attempt to be a couple with him as oppose to just following him around.

 

I would think that Kishi would distance her emotions slightly more and more romantically from Naruto so it won't be as big of a letdown for her.

 

 

Reposting something I've posted twice before.  Unfortunately the old threads are locked so I can't repost it properly....

 

 

This is what Naruto looks like when he's joking / not serious / lying about his relationship with Sakura.  You can tell he's lying not only by his words but by his expression and posture as well.  There's always some kind of "tell" when he's joking.  He's got a cheesy smile, or he's doing something completely outrageous, or he's sneaking around, or he's generally being a doofus. 

Then there's #631....

 

 

We get a significantly different expression and response from Naruto. He is as sober as a judge here. The look on his face is serious.  The words he uses are serious.  There's no hint of joking whatsoever.  HE IS NOT JOKING.

 

I can understand why anti-NS folks would want to downplay this moment as a joke or something casual, but I can't understand why any NS fan would say he is joking here when he clearly is not.  He's not even smiling, for crying out loud!

 

The comment Naruto made in #632 -- "I'll never, never turn on Sakura-chan again... she'll pulverize me...." or "Ne-never again... I can't ever poke fun of Sakura-chan again... otherwise she'll turn me into a stain...."  (depending on the translation) -- WAS a joke.  You can tell by the "lady lips" caricature of his face and the overall silliness. He's referring to all the stupid jokey crap he's done over the years to get a rise out of her -- the Oiroke no Jutsu, teasing her about being strong, etc. -- NOT his feelings for her.

 

Remember his reaction in #469?  How he told Sakura -- twice -- that joking about something like loving him or choosing him over Sasuke wasn't funny?  Right.  But we're supposed to believe he turned around and "joked" about Sakura being his girlfriend to his father?  Please. 

 

As far as I'm concerned, trying to link the obvious joke in #632 to Naruto's answer to his father in #631 is either willful blindness or a desperate attempt to invalidate Naruto's declared feelings for Sakura.

 

for me I more or less hear the argument "that moment doesn't count because Naruto assumes Sakura is his girlfriend when she really isn't" even though she didn't deny it like she did when Konohamaru asked

 

her response was left purposefully ambiguous 

Edited by Pepsi, 09 March 2014 - 03:46 PM.

[TacticalFox88]

"Sakura hitting Naruto shows she's disgusted by the idea of being with Naruto after he said that to his dad!!!"

 

Well, here's the thing, Sakura ISN'T disgusted by the idea of being with him. Want proof? Go back towards the confession. How do you think it would be had Naruto accepted it and not called her out on her kitten? They'd be together. So clearly the idea has been in her head at SOME point. 

[sushi.]

"Sakura hitting Naruto shows she's disgusted by the idea of being with Naruto after he said that to his dad!!!"

 

I think a much more solid proof is this

 

The reactions are so similar, I think it's painfully clear Kishi don't draw these faces to show disgust.

[Gojira]

 

I think a much more solid proof is this

 

The reactions are so similar, I think it's painfully clear Kishi don't draw these faces to show disgust.

I'm not disagreeing with you or anything but what does the Naruto/Karin parallel have to do with anything? 

[narusaku256]

Sakura's expression and Naruto's and Karin's expression are the same when put in a similar situation implying that they are something between embarassed and shocked and NOT disgusted. I think, this is what is to be deduced from that pic.

[Gojira]

I wouldn't say she was embarrassed. If she was she would be blushing slightly like Karin is.

 

I got the impression that she was irritated that Naruto was talking to his father about their relationship in the middle of a war zone  

[Namaenash]

@Pepsi: "...even so why Kishi is setting Hinata up for a heartbreak?"

Well, I think the same argument can be used if NS is not meant to be canon isn't it? If NS is not the end game, why Kishi is setting Naruto up for a heartbreak? This story is about his journey right? What was the purpose of all the developments for NS then?

As for Hinata, she made the pledge to stay by Naruto's side forever. The focus is always coming from her side: "I want to be equal to you", "I want to hold your hand", "I want to be with you forever"... or something along those lines. It's not "I want to see you happy", or "I want to protect your happiness". For NH, it's always about Hinata... Yet in 662, she fell and gave up in the time where Naruto is definitely in the verge of dying. The way I see the panel is more or less a symbolism that she's not the one for Naruto, even though she tried. She isn't there when Naruto needed help the most. I'm discounting 615, because essentially she wasn't the only one lifting Naruto's spirit... Kurama and Kakashi were there to remind him.

On the contrary, Naruto never pledges anything with regards to his love for Sakura. He just do it for her sake. It shows. Ever since the battle with Gaara, Tsunade's search, Promise of a Lifetime, Tenchi Bridge, and many more. It just shows how much he would do just to bring her happiness. That's how selfless Naruto's love to Sakura is. He never do it for his sake. He just want to protect her happiness, even though it costs him a great pain...

 

Same thing with Sakura. She never really pledges anything with regards to her love towards Naruto. She just do it for his sake. It shows. Whether it's romantic or not is not yet explicitly stated, but you can see from her act and judge yourself. It really doesn't take a genius to deduce where the story is going from romance perspective. Unless, Kishi decided to reverse his own storytelling --something that I have in mind when 615 came out. But after 631, I'm very sure NS is just around the corner to be canonized. If Kishi consider NS is a red herring, he would never do 631 or 663.

 

I'll state it again here: NH/SS moments have always been concluded by NS moment. Judging from this pattern, one should be able to draw a conclusion already.

 

I consider the "bench scene" as a symbolism to Sakura's feeling and the dynamics between her and Naruto.  The one moment that she's hoping in terms of romance and love came from Naruto disguised as Sasuke. Before she can see the "true love" beyond the "disguised" one, all she will see is Sasuke. It is her journey to discover who is behind that disguised figure...

[narusaku256]

@Pepsi do you really think a battlefield is a place to be blushing around? Besides, her blushing would have confirmed NS and would have killed all suspense the writer intends to put? Get my point?

[TacticalFox88]

Honestly sometimes I have a whim that since Naruto said Sakura was his girlfriend that too to his father and Sakura not outright denying it, I think they have already confessed to each other and already become a couple off panel XD. Only it remains for us to be seen how that took place XD. LOL I know there's nothing like this but it is just a thought XD.

Naruto and Sakura hooking up off-panel?
 

OH LAWD.

You have any idea how completely HILARIOUS that would be? 

 

 JESUS!

 

I'm kittenin crying! 

[PhenixElite]

@Pepsi do you really think a battlefield is a place to be blushing around? Besides, her blushing would have confirmed NS and would have killed all suspense the writer intends to put? Get my point?

The only reason kishi showed sakura react that way was because its a common tsundere reaction in romantic cases and especially to draw the kushina parallel.

[narusaku256]

Naruto and Sakura hooking up off-panel?
 
OH LAWD.
You have any idea how completely HILARIOUS that would be? 
 
 JESUS!
 
I'm kittenin crying! 

Did you read the last line I stated? It was merely a funny thought and was never meant to be implied seriously in the first place.

Edited by narusaku256, 09 March 2014 - 07:31 PM.

[BakeNeko-Chan]

 

Someone mentioned this in another thread and is kind of a good point.

 

NaruSaku is the most likely one to become canon, even so why is Kishi setting Hinata up for a heartbreak? She says she plans on being with Naruto forever, and says that after the war she plans on being up-front and actually attempt to be a couple with him as oppose to just following him around.

 

I would think that Kishi would distance her emotions slightly more and more romantically from Naruto so it won't be as big of a letdown for her.

 

 

 

I'm sorry, but where does she say that?

 

 

She says that once the war is over she going to stop chasing him. She says absolutely nothing about being with him romantically and to say she does is reading more into her words than what is actually there. Hinata has said that she wants to be by Naruto's side, but that in itself is not romantic because Shikamaru has also said the same thing. She has already held his hand, and was able to encourage him like he'd done for her in the past. That's what Naruto and Hinata's relationship, if you can call it that, always comes back to -- encouragement. Naruto inspired HInata to stand up for herself and not give up and she pushed him to do the same in 615.

 

We know Hinata has feelings for Naruto, no sense in denying it, but I think people place more importance on those feelings than Kishimoto may have actually intended for there to be. And by that I mean the idea that Hinata will be heartbroken if she doesn't get with Naruto. I don't think Hinata has any expectation of being with Naruto in the romantic sense, she just wants to be like him and to be someone worthy of standing beside him. At the core, she simply admires him and all the he stands for. She has made no attempt to actually get to know him, let alone shown an interest in who he is outside of his nindo.

 

It's true that Hinata's feelings haven't faded and maybe they never will, but I see nothing that suggests she will be heartbroken when Naruto ends up with Sakura. I would personally like to see Kishi give her some resolution by finding some goal to reach for outside of Naruto, but I truly don't know what he intends to do with her. Every time people say her development is complete and her relevance is over, Kishi almost inevitably brings her back into the picture.

Edited by BakeNeko-Chan, 09 March 2014 - 06:54 PM.

[TouKen4Life3g]

In short, Hinata was only portraying equality. Yes, she loves him, but it never deepened after 437.

[Gojira]

 

I'm sorry, but where does she say that?

 

 

She says that once the war is over she going to stop chasing him. She says absolutely nothing about being with him romantically and to say she does is reading more into her words than what is actually there. Hinata has said that she wants to be by Naruto's side, but that in itself is not romantic because Shikamaru has also said the same thing. She has already held his hand, and was able to encourage him like he'd done for her in the past. That's what Naruto and Hinata's relationship, if you can call it that, always comes back to -- encouragement. Naruto inspired HInata to stand up for herself and not give up and she pushed him to do the same in 615.

 

We know Hinata has feelings for Naruto, no sense in denying it, but I think people place more importance on those feelings than Kishimoto may have actually intended for there to be. And by that I mean the idea that Hinata will be heartbroken if she doesn't get with Naruto. I don't think Hinata has any expectation of being with Naruto in the romantic sense, she just wants to be like him and to be someone worthy of standing beside him. At the core, she simply admires him and all the he stands for. She has made no attempt to actually get to know him, let alone shown an interest in who he is outside of his nindo.

 

It's true that Hinata's feelings haven't faded and maybe they never will, but I see nothing that suggests she will be heartbroken when Naruto ends up with Sakura. I would personally like to see Kishi give her some resolution by finding some goal to reach for outside of Naruto, but I truly don't know what he intends to do with her. Every time people say her development is complete and her relevance is over, Kishi almost inevitably brings her back into the picture.

That's what statement about being next to him holding his hand was referring to, I don't think she meant that in a platonic way especially since she said she would stop chasing after him.

 

Obviously she didn't mean it in the same way Shikamaru did (working alongside him in the future) it seemed pretty clear what she meant.

Edited by Pepsi, 09 March 2014 - 07:33 PM.

[TouKen4Life3g]

That's what statement about being next to him holding his hand was referring to, I don't think she meant that in a platonic way especially since she said she would stop chasing after him.
 
Obviously she didn't mean it in the same way Shikamaru did (working alongside him in the future) it seemed pretty clear what she meant.

Later on, it's more clear it's about keeping up the level. I believe 633 and 649 were really telling and connect well enough. You could even argue 662 downplay it as well by making it seem like Hinata and Neji (spiritual speaking) are counting on Naruto to win and live.

[BakeNeko-Chan]

That's what statement about being next to him holding his hand was referring to, I don't think she meant that in a platonic way especially since she said she would stop chasing after him.

 

Obviously she didn't mean it in the same way Shikamaru did (working alongside him in the future) it seemed pretty clear what she meant.

 

But that is exactly what she did in 615, she held his hand and was able to stand by his side. Did she mean it with some romantic connotation? Maybe, but it's only an assumption based on the fandom's mindset that anything Hinata says in regard to Naruto must be romantic "because she loves him", in the same way that the fandom tends to interpret anything Sakura says or does in regard to Naruto as platonic "because she loves Sasuke." Did Kishi intend for Hinata words to imply that she would pursue Naruto romantically after the war? 615 would suggest that is not the case. She accomplished her goals and all that's left is for her to 'stop chasing him', like she said she would.

[luffyq1]

Are people really arguing whether or not Hinata wants to pursue a romantic relationship with Naruto? Of course she's want to pursue the guy, but it doesn't mean he'll say yes to her. Like what pepsi said, her statement in 649 can be interpreted as wanting to purse a romantic relationship with Naruto because she "loves" him. That's what separates her statement from Shikamaru's.

 

Key word: Love.

Edited by luffyq1, 09 March 2014 - 08:46 PM.

[sushi.]

Are people really arguing whether or not Hinata wants to pursue a romantic relationship with Naruto? Of course she's want to pursue the guy, but it doesn't mean he'll say yes to her. Like what pepsi said, her statement in 649 can be interpreted as wanting to purse a romantic relationship with Naruto because she "loves" him. That's what separates her statement from Shikamaru's.

 

Key word: Love.

Her feelings for him are irrelevant because they did not shine through with that statement. She blatantly said she wanted to be by Naruto's side, just like everyone else.