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#15401 Branden

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Posted 05 April 2013 - 04:31 PM

QUOTE (NaruSaku4Life3g @ Apr 5 2013, 09:18 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Lol funny. I did it quick and didn't go full explanation on it, but if it's good enough, then fine by me. happy.gif

Well to be honest the real question is "Are we bias or are we just right?"
I had a feeling that when i posted that the response would be quick and to the point and most likely something I would agree with. I just don't want us to fall victim to bias and end up glorifying NaruSaku while discrediting NaruHina.

Is that even possible though? There's no way to remove bias, and everyone has it.

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Posted 05 April 2013 - 04:33 PM

QUOTE (Branden @ Apr 5 2013, 12:02 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I got 3 question for all of you :

Prior to 615 what were Naruto's feelings towards Hinata?

Did Naruto's feelings towards Hinata change in 615?

If Naruto's feelings towards Hinata changed in 615, how did they change?




Some of you may be asking me why I'm asking these question. My answer is simple, right now the NaruHina fandom is basically 51% 615 and 49% the rest of their shipping.


1. Most likely the same as they ever been, just plain friends. Considering nothing was done with hinata's confession, that is still ultimately on the ropes. Even after the events of pain, we see a flashback reason for Naruto's love to Sakura, he feels undeserving of her because he has still not fulfilled the promise, this also meant he was doing a noble thing with his unrequited love, he would only feel deserving of Sakura if he either finished that or Sakura came to him honestly on her own because she wanted, not what he wanted. He didn't accept it at the fake confession cause, he knew her better than that and knew there was a reason for her coming all the way out there, not just for a love confession, espcially with a full team. Naruto would not just deny Sakura outright, he would rather her be honest with herself and him, so if the point comes for when she really does love him and tries admitting it again, under different cirumstances he would accept it then because after the events of the reunion and possible shift to him and maturity, realizing who is important to her, etc. She would be open and honest this time, then Naruto would accept it (if things lead this way). Basically Naruto's love for Sakura is selfless and has an act of nobility, he does her a lot and though he hopes to be with her, he would only do it if both she and himself were fully accepting of it.

2. Still too early to call, I mean it was short and for what could have been a longer moment, he just lets go and gives it out to everyone else, possibly the plan was already in his head before the ten tails attack hit the ninja HQ during this time Shikaku transmitted his final plan to the allaince. The 2 short times Kakashi and Guy got their energy restored gave him a theroy that anyone could do it, considering Kurama also said transfering chakra was an easy effort for tailed beasts. Its easier to debate against his feelings changing rather trying to support that they have. With so little, its much easier to say it was only for friendship efforts and ending the story and development between Naruto and the huyguas until we see otherwise, hell until we see Sakura as well, nothing can say that his feelings for Hinata are somehow bigger than his love for Sakura. Its hard to argue that they changed even more because of the one panel for Sakura in 615 possibly being an indicator for future potential development off this event. This is all without the fact that Naruto has not shown any waivering feelings for Sakura, even then he would still forgive her for the event in most logical reasoning for his character, he is a forgiving guy, if he can come to forgive and respect Nagato, he can do it for Sakura espcially since Sai admitted it was partically his fault for driving Sakura to do what she did. Even then there has still been nothing in anycase showing he is over Sakura. Even though Naruto did remember Hinata defending him from pain, thats not enough, I mean there are many other things he remembers with Sakura doing something to help or encourage him now wasn't there? That memory could just be him seeing how there is more to her in talent but not outright just starting to love her.

3. If they changed, this is one tough issue for Kishi to fix, I mean Hinata is not even in 100 chapters, not really good to somehow make a character major when they are not even in 1/6th of the story, espcially compared to the others. If they have changed, Naruto would need just some rapid insane shifts in development to resonate with Hinata more and just somehow leave the past interaction with him and Sakura as only close friendship. Not to mention if NH is the way things will go, what happens to Sakura then? Where can he end her without going SS which would reduce the story to an insane fanfiction and leave Sakura and Sasuke adversely effected? This is something that would grow on from question 2, but its still just so hard. Its just the big problem here is Kishi had time in the past to develop Hinata more, make her into a more prominent character like Shikamaru or Tsunade. Hell even Bee is more important than Hinata. Only 1 real arc of importantce and 2 moments in the second half does not help the case of trying to cram a new love development this late in the series compared to one which actually has some mutality in it. Reason for NaruSaku is not because Naruto loves Sakura or Sakura showing a close friendship for Naruto, its how they both act selfless to each other and display mutual growth from their events and all the good and bad they go through caused on both of them, alone, and even to each other. The events ranging from the 4 tails to the fake confession, even when they were hurt in some way by each other, in many other ways aside from this, they still maintain that friendship and never saw each other any differently, I mean Naruto still calls Sakura, Sakura-chan its safe to say his appriation of her has not changed and Sakura still feels the same happiness with Naruto. Even as simple friends they enjoy each other and have the potential for a better relationship, one that gives the story a good goal and does no damage. Does NaruHina have anything as long and enduring? No it does not.

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Posted 05 April 2013 - 04:36 PM

QUOTE (Branden @ Apr 5 2013, 05:31 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Well to be honest the real question is "Are we bias or are we just right?"
I had a feeling that when i posted that the response would be quick and to the point and most likely something I would agree with. I just don't want us to fall victim to bias and end up glorifying NaruSaku while discrediting NaruHina.

Is that even possible though? There's no way to remove bias, and everyone has it.


Its a shipping war. Its are we right or are they right. Its imposible for us to be unbiased. Honestly we arent even the stuck up faction. Its the neutrals that think they are better than us for not caring.

SO FEEL THE BIAS FLOW RIGHT TROUGH US. SHOW ME THE NS LOVE and what not.

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Posted 05 April 2013 - 04:54 PM

QUOTE (Branden @ Apr 5 2013, 11:31 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Well to be honest the real question is "Are we bias or are we just right?"
I had a feeling that when i posted that the response would be quick and to the point and most likely something I would agree with. I just don't want us to fall victim to bias and end up glorifying NaruSaku while discrediting NaruHina.

Is that even possible though? There's no way to remove bias, and everyone has it.

I'm not biased nor being the truth. I'm analyzing what the manga presented itself and the way how it handles from past to now, this one doesn't suggest Naruto moving on, rather another moment a friend helps him. If it has the atmosphere or the moment that Naruto address something new feeling inside of him with Hinata, then I think it's obvious. Other than that, you can say for now it's up for grabs. If NS moment happens, then no doubt, this moment is a friendship moment with a closure.

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Posted 05 April 2013 - 04:56 PM

QUOTE (StrikerTheNoble @ Apr 5 2013, 11:36 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Its a shipping war. Its are we right or are they right. Its imposible for us to be unbiased. Honestly we arent even the stuck up faction. Its the neutrals that think they are better than us for not caring.

SO FEEL THE BIAS FLOW RIGHT TROUGH US. SHOW ME THE NS LOVE and what not.

So, what happens at the end of the "shipping war"? What's the big prize? Bragging rights because one side was more right than the other? huh.gif

I wish we could all just enjoy our pairings and not make it a big deal if someone else prefers another ship. At the end of the day, it all comes down to preference. Even if NaruHina is the canon pairing, I'm still going to prefer NaruSaku, and I'll enjoy all of their development regardless.

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Posted 05 April 2013 - 05:00 PM

QUOTE (Slextrem @ Apr 5 2013, 04:56 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
So, what happens at the end of the "shipping war"? What's the big prize? Bragging rights because one side was more right than the other? huh.gif

I wish we could all just enjoy our pairings and not make it a big deal if someone else prefers another ship. At the end of the day, it all comes down to preference. Even if NaruHina is the canon pairing, I'm still going to prefer NaruSaku, and I'll enjoy all of their development regardless.


There is no big prize. If there isnt a Naruto x Sakura life manga spinoff than ultimatly its been all for nothing. We will see it end enjoy the way its ended, feel sad and forget about this place. It all kinda depressing when you think about it. I really wish Kishi would make a in the life of Naruto and Sakura romance manga so we can see what happens to these two.

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Posted 05 April 2013 - 05:05 PM

QUOTE (StrikerTheNoble @ Apr 5 2013, 12:00 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
There is no big prize. If there isnt a Naruto x Sakura life manga spinoff than ultimatly its been all for nothing. We will see it end enjoy the way its ended, feel sad and forget about this place. It all kinda depressing when you think about it. I really wish Kishi would make a in the life of Naruto and Sakura romance manga so we can see what happens to these two.

I second this. I would love a continuation with them. I always like a spin-off after a good movie/show.

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Posted 05 April 2013 - 05:14 PM

QUOTE (StrikerTheNoble @ Apr 5 2013, 09:36 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Its a shipping war. Its are we right or are they right. Its imposible for us to be unbiased. Honestly we arent even the stuck up faction. Its the neutrals that think they are better than us for not caring.

SO FEEL THE BIAS FLOW RIGHT TROUGH US. SHOW ME THE NS LOVE and what not.

well the biggest problem in a shipping war is the vastly different view points.

I hate to use some cheesy video game reminiscent system here (I actually enjoy it) but let's assume that all pairing moments have a pairing value.


We'll take for example the Hug.

The Hug has a NaruSaku pairing value of 7.

When viewed by a NaruSaku fan the hug's pairing value is increased to 10.

When viewed by a NaruHina fan the hug's pairing value is decreased to 4.



So the main point I wanted to make here is that bias works both ways and causes the difference in viewpoints to grow tremendously as a result.


QUOTE (StrikerTheNoble @ Apr 5 2013, 10:00 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
There is no big prize. If there isnt a Naruto x Sakura life manga spinoff than ultimatly its been all for nothing. We will see it end enjoy the way its ended, feel sad and forget about this place. It all kinda depressing when you think about it. I really wish Kishi would make a in the life of Naruto and Sakura romance manga so we can see what happens to these two.


This ties directly into what I was just saying. The prize is satisfaction. most shipping fans believe their pairing will be cannon. the only problem with that is most of the shipping fans are going to be wrong (unless there's some kind of love party at the end where Naruto turns into an ero manga). I think I might just now be realizing that the reason I've been so interested in this ship is because it's an excellent way for me to gain experience and knowledge of what bias is and what it does to two sides of an argument. Debating is such a complex and interesting subject and ultimately NaruSaku has never been about the end goal, it's been about the journey getting there, it's about the thought provoking conversations we've had and the themes we can relate to. it's about the feelings it evokes and the messages we can learn from. Kishimoto has sparked deep thinking for so long now that no matter how he decides to end it, Naruto will have been worth following all this time.


A quick comparison is in LOTR when Gandulf could have easily just had an eagle fly Frodo but that would have taken from the journey.

One final note, I'd like to acknowledge that this quickly turned from a question to a personal epiphany.

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Posted 05 April 2013 - 05:17 PM

QUOTE (Slextrem @ Apr 5 2013, 01:56 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
So, what happens at the end of the "shipping war"? What's the big prize? Bragging rights because one side was more right than the other? huh.gif

I wish we could all just enjoy our pairings and not make it a big deal if someone else prefers another ship. At the end of the day, it all comes down to preference. Even if NaruHina is the canon pairing, I'm still going to prefer NaruSaku, and I'll enjoy all of their development regardless.

Well, to me if Naruto changes his feelings and if Sakura still wants to pursue Sasuke after all is said and done it will leave a strange feeling in me regardless of how incredible the rest of the ending could be.

It's not just about preference, it's about seeing the story come to a proper conclusion.

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Posted 05 April 2013 - 05:23 PM

QUOTE (redragon88 @ Apr 5 2013, 12:17 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Well, to me if Naruto changes his feelings and if Sakura still wants to pursue Sasuke after all is said and done it will leave a strange feeling in me regardless of how incredible the rest of the ending could be.

It's not just about preference, it's about seeing the story come to a proper conclusion.

This.

I said this in the other thread, I will be "Oh that sucks" as a NS fan. But the general fan within me is going to have a huge problem and that's when I quit the manga and don't want anything in here anymore. So yeah, for me, you got bypass two obstacle to make me happy.

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Posted 05 April 2013 - 05:25 PM

QUOTE (Branden @ Apr 5 2013, 02:14 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
well the biggest problem in a shipping war is the vastly different view points.

I hate to use some cheesy video game reminiscent system here (I actually enjoy it) but let's assume that all pairing moments have a pairing value.


We'll take for example the Hug.

The Hug has a NaruSaku pairing value of 7.

When viewed by a NaruSaku fan the hug's pairing value is increased to 10.

When viewed by a NaruHina fan the hug's pairing value is decreased to 4.



So the main point I wanted to make here is that bias works both ways and causes the difference in viewpoints to grow tremendously as a result.




This ties directly into what I was just saying. The prize is satisfaction. most shipping fans believe their pairing will be cannon. the only problem with that is most of the shipping fans are going to be wrong (unless there's some kind of love party at the end where Naruto turns into an ero manga). I think I might just now be realizing that the reason I've been so interested in this ship is because it's an excellent way for me to gain experience and knowledge of what bias is and what it does to two sides of an argument. Debating is such a complex and interesting subject and ultimately NaruSaku has never been about the end goal, it's been about the journey getting there, it's about the thought provoking conversations we've had and the themes we can relate to. it's about the feelings it evokes and the messages we can learn from. Kishimoto has sparked deep thinking for so long now that no matter how he decides to end it, Naruto will have been worth following all this time.


A quick comparison is in LOTR when Gandulf could have easily just had an eagle fly Frodo but that would have taken from the journey.

One final note, I'd like to acknowledge that this quickly turned from a question to a personal epiphany.

I think everyone is a little biased but things that we all need to avoid is double standards, James give a good example on another thread, like people say that Hinata was brave when she declared her love despite she being selfish on that moment, she put a lot of things on the risk and Naruto did not earned anything but on the other hand when Sakura does the same she's called a b*tch and blamed.
As an example that i see on NF on the last year which was the last time i lurked on that forums, NH fans claiming that NS ship was drowning while SS still had better chances than NS.

If people could at least avoid double standards we would have a better debate, all the NH fans that came here didnt make a single claim without making arguments like i said above.
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Posted 05 April 2013 - 05:44 PM

Wouldn't a good thing about this thread be that despite our different views or preceptions on Naruto and Sakura, being a debate thread, that all our answers and views end up in the same place, the end result being NaruSaku, I mean thats just the common goal we want to see no matter how we tend to treat it.

I mean one of my views on NaruSaku is, I personally still believe the promise to be on, Sakura tried to relieve Naruto of it by killing Sasuke as a way to make amends for causing him a lot of pain, she cannot break the promise since Naruto made it, Naruto made the promise, its only given up if he gives up on it. Sakura tried to push him into giving up on the promise. Either way Naruto still has not given up on resolution with Sasuke weather this means going back to the village or not. The promise is what makes Naruto not able to confess to Sakura and Sasuke is the goal for this and Hokage. I don't see how it would just end like this, espcially since Naruto has his own reasons for his bonds and the aspect of understanding revenge, basically I view the promise and understanding revenge stacked on top of each other, just makes saving Sasuke more important. I viewed the fragmenting of the team in Naruto's mind as his fear that he could have lost his bonds entirely, both scared and shocked at what Sakura out of all people was doing, to try to stop Sasuke from going any lower and risk having Naruto hate her if it meant stopping his pain. Naruto was shock and scared at losing his bonds and was unprepared for what everything had turned out to. The answer he wanted from Sasuke at the reunion was how to fix everything with all the events that lead to this moment, dying was likely so they would not need to have anymore pain, he would die with Sasuke as he said so neither of them would be suffering as a jinchurki or uchiha anymore. Of course he did not plan on dying or killing Sasuke, Naruto's new plan is a new form of resolution we have yet to see. Kakashi's line for the burden, I feel that its was not the promise but how Naruto had to take Sasuke back, what could he have done to get Sasuke back or at least save him? Now he has that answer, I feel like its that Naruto knows there is still one way to resolve all this and that is with his fight with Sasuke. Even if the promise did die, it still leads to the same ending, saving Sasuke or giving him and ending that makes him accept himself becoming hokage and confessing to Sakura.

I can at least see this if the promise died: Naruto cannot bring Sasuke back but save him from a dark fate. When he "saves" sasuke, he saved his friend so he could become hokage, if he has the courage to become hokage then he could feel confident to confess to Sakura. Despite the promise being on or not, these effects remain in tact as I see it, until the Sasuke goal is met, he does not feel he can become hokage or confess to Sakura, these goals will give him acceptance and the confidence to do these once or around the time team 7 gets that good ending as Sakura said she still believed to be possible.

One thing I honestly feel will make an impact is when Naruto or Kakashi explains the truth about Itachi to Sakura, Sakura is part of the team, she needs to know, during the confession they both hid stuff from each other, Naruto figured out Sakura was lying and her motives to protect him and try to take out Sasuke but Sakura did not figure out the truth about Itachi, Kakashi shut him up before the real reason for revenge could be discovered. Sakura only figured out that there was something related to Itachi from what Naruto was about to say before Kakashi silenced him. Out of the K11, Sakura is the only one aware that his reason (according to screentime) for handling Sasuke revolves around Itachi, Sakura is in a unique position, she knows what the reason is related to, just not why. (This is all assuming that the rest of the K11 did not find out offscreen kinda like about Naruto being the 9 tails jinchurki, I still wonder when the rest of them found this, it had to be anytime after the reveal to Sakura and Temari and when he actually went enraged against pain).

Though as I said in the start of this post, this is my view, others will argee or disagree with my views on the promise, but even then all these lead to one common goal, NaruSaku as we hope. Thats what I like about this debate thread. We all just see different reasoning or ways it will come about from the events.

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Posted 05 April 2013 - 06:04 PM

QUOTE (Inferno180 @ Apr 5 2013, 06:44 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
One thing I honestly feel will make an impact is when Naruto or Kakashi explains the truth about Itachi to Sakura, Sakura is part of the team, she needs to know, during the confession they both hid stuff from each other, Naruto figured out Sakura was lying and her motives to protect him and try to take out Sasuke but Sakura did not figure out the truth about Itachi, Kakashi shut him up before the real reason for revenge could be discovered. Sakura only figured out that there was something related to Itachi from what Naruto was about to say before Kakashi silenced him. Out of the K11, Sakura is the only one aware that his reason (according to screentime) for handling Sasuke revolves around Itachi, Sakura is in a unique position, she knows what the reason is related to, just not why.


This is the one Lifeline SS kind of has left. Sakura doesn't know why Sasuke is so messed up. SS believes when she finds out from Naruto/whoever she will forgive him and understand why he's done all he's done.

Then go back to square one - "OMFG SASUKE-KUNN GIMME BABIEZ NAO!!!!!" love.gif love.gif love.gif
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Anyway, about the bias thing. I've noticed that we have downplayed the kitten out of 615. NH has downplayed the hug. We are sometimes as bias as NH are if not all the time.

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Posted 05 April 2013 - 06:11 PM

QUOTE (HauntedCake @ Apr 5 2013, 02:04 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
This is the one Lifeline SS kind of has left. Sakura doesn't know why Sasuke is so messed up. SS believes when she finds out from Naruto/whoever she will forgive him and understand why he's done all he's done.

Then go back to square one - "OMFG SASUKE-KUNN GIMME BABIEZ NAO!!!!!" love.gif love.gif love.gif
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Anyway, about the bias thing. I've noticed that we have downplayed the kitten out of 615. NH has downplayed the hug. We are sometimes as bias as NH are if not all the time.

Well it depends. Itachi told him to never reveal the truth and remain the way it is. Kakashi doesn't know if it's 100% legit. It's more like should I take it or not. Naruto knows it officially, but Itachi told him to keep it the way it is. Naruto and Sasuke are the only ones to destined to know each other the most. Yes, Sakura knows a lot about Naruto, but again, there is a limit and from the look of it, Kishi never had Sakura to know more about Sasuke, rather than acknowledge that he's changed. Think as Big Boss, only he knows the truth behind his old master and yes it is tragic, but it's just the way it is.

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Posted 05 April 2013 - 06:15 PM

QUOTE (Branden @ Apr 5 2013, 05:02 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Prior to 615 what were Naruto's feelings towards Hinata?

Naruto sees Hinata like an important person in his heart.
But he only sees her as a friend.
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Did Naruto's feelings towards Hinata change in 615?

No, we didn't see any changes, he always sees her like a friend, no romantic feelings to be seen yet.
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If Naruto's feelings towards Hinata changed in 615, how did they change?

I can't give you a logical answer, but if it does, I think it changed after Sakura's confession. He just moved on and he probably gave her his answer on the battlefield.
This would make sens to the commantary of Kiba "don't be a tough guy when Hinata's around.


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Posted 05 April 2013 - 06:20 PM

QUOTE (NaruSaku4Life3g @ Apr 5 2013, 11:11 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Well it depends. Itachi told him to never reveal the truth and remain the way it is. Kakashi doesn't know if it's 100% legit. It's more like should I take it or not. Naruto knows it officially, but Itachi told him to keep it the way it is. Naruto and Sasuke are the only ones to destined to know each other the most. Yes, Sakura knows a lot about Naruto, but again, there is a limit and from the look of it, Kishi never had Sakura to know more about Sasuke, rather than acknowledge that he's changed. Think as Big Boss, only he knows the truth behind his old master and yes it is tragic, but it's just the way it is.

Except that Sakura still wouldn't truly understand.

This is the same problem Naruto fell for. Naruto thought after he fought Nagato and lost Jiraiya that he understood Sasuke but in reality Naruto didn't understand anything and ended up just insulting Sasuke which fuels his rage even further. If Sakura learns about it I imagine her response would be to talk to Naruto about it. Depending on the results of that conversation anything could happen.

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#15417 TouKen4Life3g

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Posted 05 April 2013 - 06:28 PM

QUOTE (Branden @ Apr 5 2013, 02:20 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Except that Sakura still wouldn't truly understand.

This is the same problem Naruto fell for. Naruto thought after he fought Nagato and lost Jiraiya that he understood Sasuke but in reality Naruto didn't understand anything and ended up just insulting Sasuke which fuels his rage even further. If Sakura learns about it I imagine her response would be to talk to Naruto about it. Depending on the results of that conversation anything could happen.

But ok, he is his best friend. In fact, the Kage Summit Arc was the best time for her to know, but instead, Naruto and Sasuke went to the next dimension to talk about stuff that only they can relate, hence why Sasuke was able to be moved by his words. When it comes to best friends, at times, secrets remain within. It's just a guy code you can say. Besides, the truth of Itachi doesn't really change anything drastic because like Tobi said, he chose to become an avenger, not being manipulated or anything. That's something you can't feel pity. You just have to accept it and help him with your own knowledge and power. Otherwise, Kakashi wouldn't do the way he did back in last arc. Naruto is about moving forward, not stay with it. Think Luffy from One Piece. He didn't get any knowledge about Nami but he still helps and only care what's now, not what happened, which is why he walked out from the story.

#15418 Sakamaki Izayoi

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Posted 05 April 2013 - 06:40 PM

QUOTE (NaruSaku4Life3g @ Apr 5 2013, 03:11 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Well it depends. Itachi told him to never reveal the truth and remain the way it is. Kakashi doesn't know if it's 100% legit. It's more like should I take it or not. Naruto knows it officially, but Itachi told him to keep it the way it is. Naruto and Sasuke are the only ones to destined to know each other the most. Yes, Sakura knows a lot about Naruto, but again, there is a limit and from the look of it, Kishi never had Sakura to know more about Sasuke, rather than acknowledge that he's changed. Think as Big Boss, only he knows the truth behind his old master and yes it is tragic, but it's just the way it is.

But this secret about Itachi does not make sense and also it's not important for Sakura and Sasuke or whatever, because for whatever reason does not justify his actions towards her.
Sakura knew Sasuke would leave the village while Naruto believed he would not fall for Orochimaru, about Naruto she understand pratically everything, but not his pain but understand his responsability and the huge burden he has to carry on and she only wanted to not let Naruto carry everything by himself, about Kakashi he knew and the reason why he said if it was legit or not is that Itachi sacrificed it also for the Uchiha's name to keep they honor and not be viewed as a clan of traitors this is the reason why Kakashi stopped Naruto and also the reason he didnt wanted Naruto to tell anyone.

Also Sakura knowing or not about this does not change the impact of Sasuke's decision to kill her on that event because it does not justify.
Sakura never had a development that lead to revengefull feelings and lose her parents and everything she had, the only girl that has this development so far is Ino who lose her father and her teacher and also wanted to revenge her teacher.

QUOTE (Branden @ Apr 5 2013, 03:20 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Except that Sakura still wouldn't truly understand.

This is the same problem Naruto fell for. Naruto thought after he fought Nagato and lost Jiraiya that he understood Sasuke but in reality Naruto didn't understand anything and ended up just insulting Sasuke which fuels his rage even further. If Sakura learns about it I imagine her response would be to talk to Naruto about it. Depending on the results of that conversation anything could happen.

I which i could understand why you guys still touch on this subject when it's not even sure about what happens.
Talk about of what?
She will not understand Sasuke.
This does not justify what he did.
There's no development or even a conclusion for her character if she learns about this, only will make her more sad and i'm sure that Naruto wants to avoid that.




Naruto loves Sakura why he would make her cry?

About the bolded Sasuke didnt acknowledge Naruto since part 1, he even says "i told you before you never had parents and etc..." it's not Naruto who doesnt understand Sasuke is Sasuke who refuses to acknowledge Naruto as an equal.

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 05 April 2013 - 06:55 PM.

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#15419 TouKen4Life3g

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Posted 05 April 2013 - 06:55 PM

QUOTE (Dαrkrєrsŧ @ Apr 5 2013, 02:40 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
But this secret about Itachi does not make sense and also it's not important for Sakura and Sasuke or whatever, because for whatever reason does not justify his actions towards her.
Sakura knew Sasuke would leave the village while Naruto believed he would not fall for Orochimaru, about Naruto she understand pratically everything, but not his pain but understand his responsability and the huge burden he has to carry on and she only wanted to not let Naruto carry everything by himself, about Kakashi he knew and the reason why he said if it was legit or not is that Itachi sacrificed it also for the Uchiha's name to keep they honor and not be viewed as a clan of traitors this is the reason why Kakashi stopped Naruto and also the reason he didnt wanted Naruto to tell anyone.

Also Sakura knowing or not about this does not change the impact of Sasuke's decision to kill her on that event because it does not justify.
Sakura never had a development that lead to revengefull feelings and lose her parents and everything she had, the only girl that has this development so far is Ino who lose her father and her teacher and also wanted to revenge her teacher.

That's true.

Sakura seems like she's against the idea of revenge to begin with. I mean I remember her not liking the way Naruto spoke about avenging Jiraiya. Luckily, he did the paragon route. Anyway, I don't think it makes a difference. The point is that because of Itachi's truth, Sasuke chose his path, not being manipulated.

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Posted 05 April 2013 - 06:58 PM

QUOTE (Dαrkrєrsŧ @ Apr 5 2013, 07:40 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>



Naruto loves Sakura why he would make her cry?


What??? can you clarify what you are saying here cos i don't quite understand you.

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