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[AzureWaters]

I don't think she's being purposely selfish. There's nothing wrong with wanting to be with the person you love. She's motivated, but if Naruto came out and said that he couldn't accept her, then Hinata wouldn't force herself on him or anything like that.

There hasn't been focus on Hinata being bothered by Naruto's feelings towards some else like it is for Naruto and SasuSaku. This is why I'm cautious on the potential for the "Hinata sees that Naruto loves Sakura so she backs off" scenario. For the character, she hasn't yet acknowledged this as being a problem. Things would be entirely different if Hinata were shown thinking of Sakura as a rival or even jealously. But she simply hasn't.

[kidNinja]

I don't think she's being purposely selfish. There's nothing wrong with wanting to be with the person you love. She's motivated, but if Naruto came out and said that he couldn't accept her, then Hinata wouldn't force herself on him or anything like that.

There hasn't been focus on Hinata being bothered by Naruto's feelings towards some else like it is for Naruto and SasuSaku. This is why I'm cautious on the potential for the "Hinata sees that Naruto loves Sakura so she backs off" scenario. For the character, she hasn't yet acknowledged this as being a problem. Things would be entirely different if Hinata were shown thinking of Sakura as a rival or even jealously. But she simply hasn't.

Or at least it has not been revealed on-screen to us yet.

[ichaichamaster]

Just noticed guys, on chapter 573, when hinata says she wil be holding hands with naruto she looks kind of sad, while after sakura finishes her little inner speech, kishi drawned a full page sun after the rain.

What do you guys think? is it a narusaku implying or just random? For me i gotta say it doesn't a coincidence at all, but maybe i'm reading too much into it

[Paptala]

That said, if Hinata does become more forward with her feelings, either Naruto will officially say no, she'll give up because of some event involving Sakura and instead wish Naruto luck, or her feelings will just be forever unresolved, which probably won't happen.

Agreed completely - though I definitely feel that the Naruto turning her down officially is less likely to happen than her realizing that Naruto and Sakura have something going on and backing off on her own volition.

I don't think she's being purposely selfish. There's nothing wrong with wanting to be with the person you love. She's motivated, but if Naruto came out and said that he couldn't accept her, then Hinata wouldn't force herself on him or anything like that.

Agreed; she's not intending to come off as selfish, even though she is a bit (described below).

There hasn't been focus on Hinata being bothered by Naruto's feelings towards some else like it is for Naruto and SasuSaku. This is why I'm cautious on the potential for the "Hinata sees that Naruto loves Sakura so she backs off" scenario. For the character, she hasn't yet acknowledged this as being a problem. Things would be entirely different if Hinata were shown thinking of Sakura as a rival or even jealously. But she simply hasn't.

Well, that all depends on how you take her dots in her speech bubble (her emphasized silence) when she saw Sakura hugging Naruto. I'm not saying that she was hurt by it or bothered to the level that Naruto was over SS, but it suggests that she wasn't 100% okay with what she saw (at least, imo).

That being said, if she doesn't realize how Naruto feels about Sakura after having observed him for years, that really doesn't say much on her ability to understand Naruto. If she does realize how Naruto feels about Sakura, perhaps Hinata is ready to win Naruto over by being more forward, as to her knowledge, Sakura hasn't actually reciprocated Naruto's feelings.

Just noticed guys, on chapter 573, when hinata says she wil be holding hands with naruto she looks kind of sad, while after sakura finishes her little inner speech, kishi drawned a full page sun after the rain.

What do you guys think? is it a narusaku implying or just random? For me i gotta say it doesn't a coincidence at all, but maybe i'm reading too much into it

That's probably reading a bit too much into it; that was at the conclusion of all the rookies' thoughts as they raced to help Naruto after all.

That being said, Sakura's thoughts come off much less selfish than Hinata's.

"Naruto-kun...I've always been chasing after you...even now. But once this war ends, I'm going to stop once and for all. Next time I'll be next to you, holding you hand...walking with you! Wait for me!"

"Naruto...you saved Konoha...and now you're trying to save the entire shinobi world...you always get left with these insurmountable tasks. But no matter what you say this time...we're going to be together...not just me...we're all going to fight this time!"

Hinata's speech is focused on "I, I, me", while Sakura's is focused on "you, you, we, we". Sakura is thinking about Naruto's situation, how to help him - Hinata is focusing on her own feelings. Thus, Hinata's comes off as more selfish than Sakura's.

Edited by Paptala, 18 June 2012 - 11:10 AM.

[Don-kun]

Here is the why I start seeing Hinata more selfish since 437, I will use this description to show how I feel about her.

The girl think of Naruto like he is the only human being on planet earth, when Sakura did it we all looked on her with a lot of disfavor, while the only difference between Hinata and Sakura, is that with Hinata there was no Naruto trying to impose himself with what she wanted, that made Sakura seeing more mean, but if we are honest they have practically similar situations the fact that Hinata had a more difficult past, while Sakura did publicly chase after Sasuke, in contrast of Hinata being very sweet, so most people overlook on the fact that her only purpose is to get Naruto so they tend to overlook on her flaws.

Lets start 434 until 437.
By the way this is not My post.

Hinata didn't have to improvise in her confession. Originally she was going to rush out the second she realized Naruto was fighting Pain alone, but Ko stopped her.
http://www.mangahere...47/c434/12.html
Ko even told her to do so would make her a burden to Naruto. Most likely alluding to the fact that she doesn't have what it takes to help him. This happened in chapter 434 she doesn't run in to help him until chapter 437. Don't you think she thought about what Ko said and tried a thousand scenarios trying to figure out a way to help? Given her reactions to being forced on the sidelines and to what Naruto was going through I would say so.
http://www.mangahere...47/c434/16.html
http://www.mangahere...v47/c437/3.html
Hinata couldn't take not being able to do anything. No doubt her mind raced with all the possibilities. This is pretty much confirmed when Naruto tells to get out of there, and that she isn't a match for Pain. Hinata confesses she is aware of that and goes on to say she is being selfish.
http://www.mangahere...v47/c437/9.html
http://www.mangahere...47/c437/10.html

Now I have heard a lot of theories as to why she is being selfish, but personally I don't see why there is a debate. She says this right after confessing she knows she isn't a match for Pain. She had to realize that her chances are, she is only going to die with him. The fact that her friends, family, and Naruto wouldn't want that had to have crossed her mind, but she isn't thinking about what they want just what she wants. She even goes on to say she is there of her own free will when he tries to talk sense into her. In the official translation she says, "I'm here because I want to be."

She then goes on to calmly confess her love for him and charge Pain head on.
http://www.mangahere...47/c437/12.html
Now she could have hoped that she would provide some help with her sacrifice, but she had to know the chances where slim to none. So things may not have ended the way she wanted, but things most likely ended the way she expected. Minus the Kyuubi part of course.

Hinata... First, there was no emotional out burst from her. She was completely calm about the whole thing. Only gaining intensity as her confession went on. In fact she was too calm.
http://www.mangahere...47/c437/10.html
The more I look at this the more I am begining to believe she wasn't really all that desperate. The moment before she burst on to the scene could have been to show she had made up her mind.
http://www.mangahere...v47/c437/3.html
That shadow on her face often signifies grim determination.

Second, why not? She had already come to terms with her imminent death.
http://www.mangahere...47/c437/11.html
There was nothing to lose, and I doubt she would want to die without telling him the truth.

Another thing. You do realize that planning out your confession doesn't make it less honest, so her feelings are genuine, but she did put a burden on Naruto when she confessed and sacrifice her life that way and for that alone she was being selfish.


Now think people, does anyone believes that if Pierrot didn't change a thing with her confession in chapter 166, her confession will be seeing that wonderful?

Edited by donjoseph19, 18 June 2012 - 01:00 PM.

[Konoha'sCrimsonFox]

I still have very large doubts any dates will ever happen for any characters. If hinata were to get closer to Naruto, it would have to be some other way. And she's already confessed, so what is there next? A second confession?

She confessed that she is in love with him. Now she wants to hook up with him after the war. Kishi has already stage this, which is why i don't see why many of you accepting this like a cliche. Surely, we can see that Kishi is planning to dump Naruto over to some bimbo heiress from the Hyuuga Clan, so that Sakura can be use like an Uchiha sex slave. Or, he's planning to use Hinata to unite both Naruto and Sakura. Surely, Sakura will resent the fact that Hinata will try to claim Naruto as her own, rather Hinata succeeds or not. This will shake Sakura to her foundation, knowing that there are women beside her are admirably want to be incest with Naruto.

It's like Kagomi from Inuyasha. How did she felt when Kikiyo and Inuyasha had an history together? She'd envied Kikyo. And do you think Sakura will be in the same situation if Naruto and Hinata, or any other woman shared a history together? Sure, it's the same old c*** that Naruto will never love another woman. But put yourself in Sakura shoes, do you think she will have the confidence to believe that Naruto will never romantically be involve with other women, like us NS shippers? By right, she shouldn't think like that, if she consider herself an Uchiha property. That's if SS came to that in the manga.

The sad thing is that Kishi is clearly making the potential pairings be in an angst, dramatically situation. It's to my intuition, that Kishi has portrayed Sakura to be romantically in-love with both her teammates and can't decide who she will like to spend the rest of her life with. Now it comes down to the outcome of Naruto and Sasuke's final battle to determine who will reign supreme over Sakura's heart. Clearly, the pairing wars are not fought over the net, blogging, but in the manga as well. Who will fall at the end? Will it be us shippers, or both NH and SS?

As a loyal fan to NS, no matter that it's a 1% percent chance of happening, I will say that NS will prevail in the end. Don't like it because we're minority, compared to two fanbase, then jump ships.

Edited by Konoha'sCrimsonFox, 18 June 2012 - 01:00 PM.

[ninja_salamander]

I won't say their is 1% chance for NS to happen but I can say it has equal chances as any other pairing in Naruto.
I see many people saying that narusaku is the most developed and sensible pairing which is true only up to the developed part.
The sensible part is not much in NS just as it is absent in SS and NH. The reason I love NS is only because of the selfless
feelings displayed by Naruto. Even if I know many of you guys here won't agree with me but their are many flaws in NS
just like their are many flaws in NH and SS. I can't therefore say that any pairing is dead or NS will be canon for sure in the end
but I can say that I will really like to see NS happening since Naruto deserves every happiness he can get but only if sakura comes to resolve her
very very big problems of romantic feelings towards both boys.

Their is also one more thing guys, since I was enjoying my holidays I decided I can read Naruto from page 1 and the one thing I saw was
that all the pairings included NS seems very much one sided. I did not remember reading anything from Sakura's(only Sakura's P.O.V and not parallels etc.) P.O.V where she saw any kind of love interest in Naruto(their was always respect, jealousy, care, but I did not see Love their). The only point I believed
sakura may have developed feelings for Naruto was Yamato's unfinished sentence but during her confession(which also seems like it was forced) Yamato's expression made me think he was not going to say sakura that she loves Naruto but only something like deep care.

Once again guys this is only my perception and it can be completely useless to some people but I truly believe that all pairings have fully equal
chances of happening depending on whether Kishi has really thought out well for the romantic side of story or not. And I believe he has not really
given full thought of romantic side which he also said in one of his interviews if I remember correctly. And If he has not done proper thinking about
Romantic side of story, we have a complete chance of seeing SS and NH as well.

[Namaenash]

As a loyal fan to NS, no matter that it's a 1% percent chance of happening, I will say that NS will prevail in the end. Don't like it because we're minority, compared to two fanbase, then jump ships.

I don't think NS is minority. Not in Japan, at least. Even NejiHina is more prefered rather than NH there.

Popularity does not change the author's intent to write their stories. We would have more Kakashi Iruka if that were the case.

[Don-kun]

I won't say their is 1% chance for NS to happen but I can say it has equal chances as any other pairing in Naruto.
I see many people saying that narusaku is the most developed and sensible pairing which is true only up to the developed part.
The sensible part is not much in NS just as it is absent in SS and NH. The reason I love NS is only because of the selfless
feelings displayed by Naruto. Even if I know many of you guys here won't agree with me but their are many flaws in NS
just like their are many flaws in NH and SS. I can't therefore say that any pairing is dead or NS will be canon for sure in the end
but I can say that I will really like to see NS happening since Naruto deserves every happiness he can get but only if sakura comes to resolve her
very very big problems of romantic feelings towards both boys.

Their is also one more thing guys, since I was enjoying my holidays I decided I can read Naruto from page 1 and the one thing I saw was
that all the pairings included NS seems very much one sided. I did not remember reading anything from Sakura's(only Sakura's P.O.V and not parallels etc.) P.O.V where she saw any kind of love interest in Naruto(their was always respect, jealousy, care, but I did not see Love their). The only point I believed
sakura may have developed feelings for Naruto was Yamato's unfinished sentence but during her confession(which also seems like it was forced) Yamato's expression made me think he was not going to say sakura that she loves Naruto but only something like deep care.

Once again guys this is only my perception and it can be completely useless to some people but I truly believe that all pairings have fully equal
chances of happening depending on whether Kishi has really thought out well for the romantic side of story or not. And I believe he has not really
given full thought of romantic side which he also said in one of his interviews if I remember correctly. And If he has not done proper thinking about
Romantic side of story, we have a complete chance of seeing SS and NH as well.

Your P. O. V is a little off with NH and NS and complitely wrong with SS. Not only Yamato question her feelings, Sai did it and Sakura question herself back in chapter 11. The fact that Kishi at all means keeps her feelings for Naruto unknown speak a lot by itself.

Also the problems we have with SasuSaku is that he's:

-murderous
-abusive
-emotionally callous and/or distant
-and most of all, uninterested

One can at least concede to NaruHina and NaruSaku that they have some shipteases that would open the door to possible reciprocation. The same cannot be stated for SasuSaku at all, particularly considering Sasuke's behavior as of late and Sakura's diminishing relevance to the matter of his redemption.

NH may have a chance but we clearly seeing that Sakura starts to behave differently from what she behave in the past, Kishi was even being questioned about it and his reply was Naruto is close but Sakura still ....
While we haven't seeing anything close to Naruto thinking romantically about Hinata or any character implying that Naruto may harbor feelings for her, that's something that even the NH fans know and the main reason why they try so hard to deny Naruto's feelings for Sakura.

Edited by donjoseph19, 18 June 2012 - 03:27 PM.

[Gravenimage]

I don't think NS is minority. Not in Japan, at least. Even NejiHina is more prefered rather than NH there.

Popularity does not change the author's intent to write their stories. We would have more Kakashi Iruka if that were the case.

Or Naru/Sasu for the matter.

[Nate River]

I won't say their is 1% chance for NS to happen but I can say it has equal chances as any other pairing in Naruto.
I see many people saying that narusaku is the most developed and sensible pairing which is true only up to the developed part.

I love it when people try to quantify the odds of a pairing happening. I suppose if we were bookies or held Vegas style odds when would have to do it, but we aren't, which means the numbers have no basis in anything.

The only point I believed
sakura may have developed feelings for Naruto was Yamato's unfinished sentence but during her confession(which also seems like it was forced) Yamato's expression made me think he was not going to say sakura that she loves Naruto but only something like deep care.

What is "deep care?" Based on the context I assume you mean friendship or the brother/sister relationship.

Why have her act surprised and cut Yamato off if he is only stating what is basically a truism at that point? The scene makes no sense any other way. The audience, the characters themselves; everyone by that point knows she cares deeply cares for him. She surprised to learn (or had not realized) something Kishimoto had already clearly demonstrated? She surprised to learn she only "deeply cares" about him? Maybe in the early parts of Part 1 (particularly Wave Country) by not by Part 2.

[Don-kun]

I love it when people try to quantify the odds of a pairing happening. I suppose if we were bookies or held Vegas style odds when would have to do it, but we aren't, which means the numbers have no basis in anything.



What is "deep care?" Based on the context I assume you mean friendship or the brother/sister relationship.

Why have her act surprised and cut Yamato off if he is only stating what is basically a truism at that point? The scene makes no sense any other way. The audience, the characters themselves; everyone by that point knows she cares deeply cares for him. She surprised to learn (or had not realized) something Kishimoto had already clearly demonstrated? She surprised to learn she only "deeply cares" about him? Maybe in the early parts of Part 1 (particularly Wave Country) by not by Part 2.

I think that what is going on right now, is that many NaruSaku fans are losing hopes due to the lack of NaruSaku moment and the focus on Hinata's feeling, what many fail to understand is that Hinata is a one dimensional character that is focus 99.5% on her love towards Naruto.
Sakura has more things on her mind like saving others life, war, friends etc.
Naruto saving everyone, bringing peace, Sasuke, friends etc.
Sasuke doesn't give a **** about love, he wants to kill Naruto and wipe out Konoha.

Hinata character wasn't created to think of anything else other than Naruto.
So It's obvious that each time we see Hinata she will be thinking about Naruto.

[Gravenimage]

I think that what is going on right now, is that many NaruSaku fans are losing hopes due to the lack of NaruSaku moment and the focus on Hinata's feeling, what many fail to understand is that Hinata is a one dimensional character that is focus 99.5% on her love towards Naruto.
Sakura has more things on her mind like saving others life, war, friends etc.
Naruto saving everyone, bringing peace, Sasuke, friends etc.
Sasuke doesn't give a **** about love, he wants to kill Naruto and wipe out Konoha.

Hinata character wasn't created to think of anything else other than Naruto.
So It's obvious that each time we see Hinata she will be thinking about Naruto.

This sums up Hinata's purpose in the manga.

[kirabook]

I just wanted to say, I do not believe the pairings are on equal standing.

If we sum up everything, NH is no where near the level of possibility compared to NS or SS. A number can't be put on the possibility of something happening. This isn't a game of chance. This is a game of build up.

NS has had build up through the entire manga, but is more notable in part 2.
SS had build up in part one, but in part two it's mostly building down.
Hinata has had build up. Hinata has had about an even amount of build up throughout the entire manga. Naruto has had nothing whatsoever.

In my opinion, the two its going to come down to is NS and SS in the end. Hinata just doesn't have enough character to be considered in a pairing to me. She's just.... not important. She's not relevant, she's nothing but something like Naruto's love shadow.

[Don-kun]

I just wanted to say, I do not believe the pairings are on equal standing.

If we sum up everything, NH is no where near the level of possibility compared to NS or SS. A number can't be put on the possibility of something happening. This isn't a game of chance. This is a game of build up.

NS has had build up through the entire manga, but is more notable in part 2.
SS had build up in part one, but in part two it's mostly building down.
Hinata has had build up. Hinata has had about an even amount of build up throughout the entire manga. Naruto has had nothing whatsoever.

In my opinion, the two its going to come down to is NS and SS in the end. Hinata just doesn't have enough character to be considered in a pairing to me. She's just.... not important. She's not relevant, she's nothing but something like Naruto's love shadow.

Regardless of what happens in part one, if Sasuke was nice to Sakura, he was mean to her most of the time. While Sakura has a deep crush on him, he didn't feel the same way towards her, if Sakura was happy around him before, now she is hurt anytime someone calls his name or she is forced to think about him.

Plus the problems we have with SasuSaku is that he's:

-murderous
-he was abusive to her
-they are emotionally callous and/or distant
-and most of all, uninterested on her feeling and on top of it he try to kill her in many occasions

Sakura and Sasuke situation was similar to the one with Naruto and Hinata have, they both appreciated the girls friendship, what make it worse for SS is that Sakura was really open with her feeling, but Sasuke just throw it back in her face and make her feelings look eving more pathetic in part two.

So I honestly don't know why you think SS has better chances than NH, if the former is far more negative.

Edited by donjoseph19, 18 June 2012 - 05:43 PM.

[kirabook]

Yes... that is what I meant by:

SS had build up in part one, but in part two it's mostly building down.

[Don-kun]

Yes... that is what I meant by:

Yeah I know you said that, but you are placing SS over NH and that is the only part I failed to understand. I agree with everything you say minus the SS part.

[kirabook]

} place it above based on how much interaction there is between the characters. NL literally has No.. meat to it. Right now it's all bones that have been placed based on hide events like her conversion and Narutos long done blood promise.

SS was also bones, but it had just started having a little flesh grown on it. Now it is all sour and rotten.

NS has the bones, flesh, and is getting flusher as time goes by.

Strange anology, but that is why i place SS over NH. NH has no ground to stand on other than Hinatas crush. But, ifc Sasuke had remained in the village, i think Sakuras feelings would have grown stronger for him and Sasuke could have even looked her way someday. -though I dont really think hed ever has interest, he at least had normal and constant interactions with the one who crushed on him, completely unlike NH-

Even If Sasuke returns, I don't currently thin SS has any chance whatsoever. It's much too late, the damage is done.

[Konoha'sCrimsonFox]

I won't say their is 1% chance for NS to happen but I can say it has equal chances as any other pairing in Naruto.
I see many people saying that narusaku is the most developed and sensible pairing which is true only up to the developed part.
The sensible part is not much in NS just as it is absent in SS and NH. The reason I love NS is only because of the selfless
feelings displayed by Naruto. Even if I know many of you guys here won't agree with me but their are many flaws in NS
just like their are many flaws in NH and SS. I can't therefore say that any pairing is dead or NS will be canon for sure in the end
but I can say that I will really like to see NS happening since Naruto deserves every happiness he can get but only if sakura comes to resolve her
very very big problems of romantic feelings towards both boys.

Their is also one more thing guys, since I was enjoying my holidays I decided I can read Naruto from page 1 and the one thing I saw was
that all the pairings included NS seems very much one sided. I did not remember reading anything from Sakura's(only Sakura's P.O.V and not parallels etc.) P.O.V where she saw any kind of love interest in Naruto(their was always respect, jealousy, care, but I did not see Love their). The only point I believed
sakura may have developed feelings for Naruto was Yamato's unfinished sentence but during her confession(which also seems like it was forced) Yamato's expression made me think he was not going to say sakura that she loves Naruto but only something like deep care.

Once again guys this is only my perception and it can be completely useless to some people but I truly believe that all pairings have fully equal
chances of happening depending on whether Kishi has really thought out well for the romantic side of story or not. And I believe he has not really
given full thought of romantic side which he also said in one of his interviews if I remember correctly. And If he has not done proper thinking about
Romantic side of story, we have a complete chance of seeing SS and NH as well.

I wasn't try to imply that NS has 1 percent chance of happening.

I don't think NS is minority. Not in Japan, at least. Even NejiHina is more prefered rather than NH there.

Popularity does not change the author's intent to write their stories. We would have more Kakashi Iruka if that were the case.

In this case I wouldn't know that. Not fond if Yaoi pairings lol.

I do agree with several other points that Hinata is shaping put to be a selfish person. Do you think the Hyuuga Clan will tolerate her behavior. She's the heiress to the clan, and she must marry within the clan to strengthen the Byakugan blood-limit. how the heck she so post to do that when Naruto is not a Hyuuga.

Edited by Konoha'sCrimsonFox, 18 June 2012 - 09:52 PM.

[Strangelove]

Plus the problems we have with SasuSaku is that he's:

-murderous
-he was abusive to her
-they are emotionally callous and/or distant
-and most of all, uninterested on her feeling and on top of it he try to kill her in many occasions

Not to mention, he is really kind of a jerk...