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[TouKen4Life3g]

Thats because Hinata does not affect Naruto the way Sakura does as evidenced by 615 where Hinata could not get to Naruto, the Fox was the one who got to him. However, Naruto completely suppressed the Nine tailed fox until his fight with pain after Yamato told him that it hurt Sakura.

I know. It's just that I don't understand how NS get treated crap when really, Naruto has what guys have when it comes to women: keep that smile. And guess what? All of them wins their heart in the end. So why Naruto is like taboo from this. Again, Naruto shows it a lot and Naruto always protect that smile, because it makes him happy. Unbelievable. This is why I get pissed off when people downplay his love out of all people.

[StrikerTheNoble]

I know. It's just that I don't understand how NS get treated crap when really, Naruto has what guys have when it comes to women: keep that smile. And guess what? All of them wins their heart in the end. So why Naruto is like taboo from this. Again, Naruto shows it a lot and Naruto always protect that smile, because it makes him happy. Unbelievable. This is why I get pissed off when people downplay his love out of all people.

Naruto probably has the most genuine reason to love than anyone else. Sasuke was the cool kid, Hinata was just basicly leeching of his willpower, Lee just thinks Sakura is gorgeous. Naruto actually realised he loved her when he found out they were the same. They both wanted acceptance. And they are basicly soul mates. I guess thats what Lee and Naruto have in common: Good taste in women.
What I hate most about SS/NH fans is that they don`t support one of Naruto basic driving points: To protect Sakura and her smile. And I find that precious. He has all the reason to be sad, depressed and in pain, but he bottles it deep down and always puts on a smile around Sakura. Even when it hurt him to hell, like when she hugged Sasuke.
Sasuke also had somewhat of a tragic past but he goes all emo about it: IM SAD: EVERYONE ELSE WILL BE SAD.

Naruto deserves Sakuras love because of a simple prinicpal:

I`m sad. Why should she be sad aswell? vs I`m sad and angry. Why should she be happy?

I would probably ship NS even if Sakura didn`t have such a big change of heart. Because when it comes down to it, he risked his life and his happiness for her. Doesn`t he finaly deserve some happiness of his own. And what brings him the happiness is Sakura`s smile.

[TouKen4Life3g]

Naruto probably has the most genuine reason to love than anyone else. Sasuke was the cool kid, Hinata was just basicly leeching of his willpower, Lee just thinks Sakura is gorgeous. Naruto actually realised he loved her when he found out they were the same. They both wanted acceptance. And they are basicly soul mates. I guess thats what Lee and Naruto have in common: Good taste in women.
What I hate most about SS/NH fans is that they don`t support one of Naruto basic driving points: To protect Sakura and her smile. And I find that precious. He has all the reason to be sad, depressed and in pain, but he bottles it deep down and always puts on a smile around Sakura. Even when it hurt him to hell, like when she hugged Sasuke.
Sasuke also had somewhat of a tragic past but he goes all emo about it: IM SAD: EVERYONE ELSE WILL BE SAD.

Naruto deserves Sakuras love because of a simple prinicpal:

I`m sad. Why should she be sad aswell? vs I`m sad and angry. Why should she be happy?

I would probably ship NS even if Sakura didn`t have such a big change of heart. Because when it comes down to it, he risked his life and his happiness for her. Doesn`t he finaly deserve some happiness of his own. And what brings him the happiness is Sakura`s smile.

Exactly.

Btw, what did Lee love about Sakura? Was it because she was cute to him and that's it?

[Sakura_Blossom]

I can really understand why NH has many fans, at least the female part. I mean, most of them are like Hinata, imagine that a girl is in school, she sees the most popular guy, but is too shy to talk to him, so she wonders one day have the courage to declare themselves, and that day he also shows that he liked her and they will be happy forever. It is the reality of many girls, so I can really understand why they both cheer for her because it's like their own history. It's like a fairy tale, that's what stories and children's films make us want.

Some exceptions of girls, on the other hand, prefer this real love that Naruto and Sakura have, they grew up together, they lead a life together, know and understand. That is true love. Although I know it's hard to give up such an ideal - fairy tale with a happy ending. But I really can not understand how the boys may like that kind of attitude, my only theory is that it should do well to your ego, having a girl always looking at his back. Still, I do not make much sense.

[FoolishYoungling]

Btw, what did Lee love about Sakura? Was it because she was cute to him and that's it?

Pretty much. Honestly Lee would be 10x better with Tenten. They are very close, and with Neji gone, he doesn't have any competition. And no I'm not a LeeTen fan. Other than NaruSaku/SasuKarin or NaruSaku/SasuHina (I know SH is VERY unlikely to happen), I could care less about who everyone else ends up with.

Edited by FoolishYoungling , 04 April 2013 - 08:15 PM.

[StrikerTheNoble]

Exactly.

Btw, what did Lee love about Sakura? Was it because she was cute to him and that's it?

Yea he had the hots for her. Again can we blame the guy? She is cute and thats all the reason he needed.

@ Sakura_Blossom

Well it`s simple but it`s not.

Like you said many girls can connect with Hinata. Il try to do a quick demographic of pairing supporters:

NS: Guys who are looking for soul-mates, girls who are looking for soul mates, guys who were rejected by a girl and yet never gave up (im one of them btw).
NH: Girls who are shy or unpopular, jocks (dumb guys) who like boobs and one night stands.
SS: I don`t really know. But I guess its the unpopular girls who have the hots for the popular guys. And we mustn`t forget the women hitters.
LeeSaku: Those creepy guys who have the hots for a random girl (Sorry Lee I like ya, but your kinda creepy at times)

All In all I think we need to ask ourselves what the message could be from the pairings, here are my opinions on this:

NS: True love takes time, patience and selfsacrifice, but will ultimatly be that much rewarding./ Not every love is good love and theres someone special for you where you werent looking.
NH: There is always someone who will love you and will settle with being the second choice./ If your love doesn`t work out go for the first girl that comes your way. /Stalking is great for a relationship.
SS: Hooking up with smart hot chick to annoy your best friend is a good idea / Love is blind and shows no limit.


Which of these do you guys think sends the best message: My opinion NS, the rest kind of sound like criminal implications.



Also, how bored would Naruto be with Hinata. The oposites attract theory works only with the Guy & Girl Sitcoms. Naruto and Hinata could not share a prolonged conversation or fun sexy time at night. I just don`t see it.

Edited by StrikerTheNoble, 04 April 2013 - 08:12 PM.

[Baguette]

@StrikerTheNoble
You are generalizing way too much here.

[TouKen4Life3g]

Pretty much. Honestly Lee would be 10x better with Tenten. They are very close, and with Neji gone, he doesn't have any competition. And no I'm not a LeeTen fan. Other than NaruSaku/SasuKarin or NaruSaku/SasuHina (I know SH is VERY unlikely to happen), I could care less about who everyone else ends up with.

I see. Funny, I see Lee and Hinata have one thing in common: make their love interest look good. Hm, I got a new dialogue in mind now. I don't want to disappoint Striker now.

But back to you, I do like LeeTen but not a big fan. Just think if it happens, it happens. I guess that's what fillers and SD trying to address.

@StrikerTheNoble
You are generalizing way too much here.

Perhaps, but I do see his point. Either way, it's all good.

[Tsubaki]

When Sakura worries in front of Sasuke:

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When Sakura worries in front of Naruto:

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But obviously, Sasuke is better for Sakura. True love, am I right?

I think that scene is a good example too:

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[TouKen4Life3g]

I think that scene is a good example too:

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Exactly! Huge difference. If it was Sasuke, he'll be like, "Not again." Honestly, Naruto knows everything about Sakura. You know, I have to give him credit for not falling for Sakura in the confession because if he wasn't serious about her, he probably gave in. For example, if Lee was in that position, he probably just take it and be all "Gai-Sensei, I did it!" It's one of those moments where a guy who really loves a girl can tell something is wrong or not. For example, when a man look at his love interest, who happened to be a "fake", he will know something is wrong. Otherwise, he will smile when the girl is truly her.

Btw slextrem, someone in NF wanted to thank you for those hard work you did.

[Sakura_Blossom]

I understand your point of view @StrikerTheNoble. What I meant is that I can not understand why boys can accept this kind of "relationship" that demonstrates NH. With SS is different because I know what it is, Sasuke does not like Sakura, but she has something for him and his fight for recognition, as well as Naruto does for her, though he did suffer a lot and she should have stopped since hurting herself.

Tell me how a man can love a couple like NH? There is nothing attractive for them beyond the breasts Hinata and as I said his own inflated ego to have a girl behind him. Even though he'd been out of the girl he likes and desist, there would be more natural to turn to some girl with whom he could have a relationship like we hoped to have with the girl he liked? I do not know if I'm explaining myself very well, as I said, girls who like NH has some reason for this, but men do not. How can he love a girl that haunts him? She saw at its worst and yet did not help, but still ensures love him?
I've asked friends about it and none can give me a convincing explanation. It makes no sense.

Does it mean that they (referring to men NH fans) expect she to do everything exactly as he wants? How do I know Hinata for Naruto. As if he would say "I had a party last night, sorry that my house is trashed, has broken bottles all over the place, food scraps on the floor and on the couch, you can clean up before we leave? Thank you."

If he does not want a maid instead of a girlfriend, it would be smarter to move on after an out, assuming he give up the girl he loved in the first place, and look for another girl who would have a real relationship?

Sorry, I think I'm taking this too seriously, I should not mix fiction with reality, but as fans are real, I do not know how they can support this type of pairing.

[Slextrem]

Exactly.

Btw, what did Lee love about Sakura? Was it because she was cute to him and that's it?

I think there's more to Lee's love for Sakura than just her appearance. When Lee first met Sakura, it was when the teams were gathering for the Chuunin Exams. Sakura was doubting her ability and looked rather depressed until Sasuke complimented her analytical ability.

... --Click here to view--

I hate to post SasuSaku, but the point is that Sakura ended up showing a confidence in herself that really stood out. She was able to pick up on the genjutsu before anyone else there did, even Sasuke. Shortly after that, Lee tries to ask her to date him.

Of course, physical attraction is also a part of it. As filler Naruto once said about Sakura chasing Sasuke, "When she's at it, her smile is the cutest thing. Before I knew it, I was in love with her." I can see how Lee would feel that way about her too, but I really don't think that's the only reason behind his love for her. Especially not now.

She's grown to be a confident, strong-willed, and independent woman and I think that really draws guys like Lee and Naruto to her. They had to work hard to get where they are and so did she. I think they both find that very attractive. I'm reminded of this moment:

LeeSaku --Click here to view--

Btw slextrem, someone in NF wanted to thank you for those hard work you did.

Tell them I say, "You're very welcome! "

Edited by Slextrem, 04 April 2013 - 09:06 PM.

[Shadow1275]

I can really understand why NH has many fans, at least the female part. I mean, most of them are like Hinata, imagine that a girl is in school, she sees the most popular guy, but is too shy to talk to him, so she wonders one day have the courage to declare themselves, and that day he also shows that he liked her and they will be happy forever. It is the reality of many girls, so I can really understand why they both cheer for her because it's like their own history. It's like a fairy tale, that's what stories and children's films make us want.

Some exceptions of girls, on the other hand, prefer this real love that Naruto and Sakura have, they grew up together, they lead a life together, know and understand. That is true love. Although I know it's hard to give up such an ideal - fairy tale with a happy ending. But I really can not understand how the boys may like that kind of attitude, my only theory is that it should do well to your ego, having a girl always looking at his back. Still, I do not make much sense.

Its because when SS started to die out alot of their fans went to NH. That and some fans hate Sakura because of the fact that Naruto has done so much for her and she still has feelings for Sasuke. They also think that the confession was fake and she used it to manipulate Naruto's feelings. Finally, they consider Sakura a weak character because she is always whining and that she always needs Naruto's help. That is their argument.

Now the only reason she still has feelings for Sasuke is because she is a realistic person. Plus lately the evidence points to these feelings cracking example=540. As for the confession, she did that because she thought Naruto was going after Sasuke because he had made a promise of a life-time to her. What she did not know and this was made clear by Naruto afterwards was that though her promise is a part of it, Naruto's main reason was because of the bond between Sasuke and him. He would have gone after Sasuke regardless of what Sakura asked him to do. Finally, Sakura is only weak in terms of Sasuke and Naruto. She has wwwwaaaaayyyyyy more strong moments then Hinata. Examples include Chunin exam, 2nd bell exam, healing Kankuro, Sasori fight, etc. Of course she is Weak when it comes to Sasuke because Naruto is the only one who can affect Sasuke. Even my favorite character Kakashi could not defeat Sasuke when they fought in the land of Iron. Because Sakura is the heroine she is going to get saved by the HERO that is how stories are generally written. As for being weak, Sakura is one of the few female characters who has actually won a fight.

If you want to support a pairing based on your personal preference I've got no problem, but don't insult other characters just because they're in the way of your pairing. This isn't directed at anybody, it's just my opinion.

Edited by Shadow1275, 04 April 2013 - 09:13 PM.

[TouKen4Life3g]

I think there's more to Lee's love for Sakura than just her appearance. When Lee first met Sakura, it was when the teams were gathering for the Chuunin Exams. Sakura was doubting her ability and looked rather depressed until Sasuke complimented her analytical ability.

... --Click here to view--

I hate to post SasuSaku, but the point is that Sakura ended up showing a confidence in herself that really stood out. She was able to pick up on the genjutsu before anyone else there did, even Sasuke. Shortly after that, Lee tries to ask her to date him.

Of course, physical attraction is also a part of it. As filler Naruto once said about Sakura chasing Sasuke, "When she's at it, her smile is the cutest thing. Before I knew it, I was in love with her." I can see how Lee would feel that way about her too, but I really don't think that's the only reason behind his love for her. Especially not now.

She's grown to be a confident, strong-willed, and independent woman and I think that really draws guys like Lee and Naruto to her. They had to work hard to get where they are and so did she. I think they both find that very attractive. I'm reminded of this moment:

LeeSaku --Click here to view--

Tell them I say, "You're very welcome! "

Ah yes, last positive note from Sasuke. Seriously. But I get what you mean. Sad that Lee doesn't get the attention from the fans, but I guess that's what happened when you're named "Hinata." I remember that war arc scene. It seems like Kishi is really going all out to throw fanservice for multiple characters. Funny, I only remember the game version which she was like "Thank you?" but that's what happened when the arc lasts too damn long. This better end after this volume or at least this battle.

Oh and I will!

Edited by NaruSaku4Life3g, 04 April 2013 - 09:13 PM.

[PhenixElite]

I understand your point of view @StrikerTheNoble. What I meant is that I can not understand why boys can accept this kind of "relationship" that demonstrates NH. With SS is different because I know what it is, Sasuke does not like Sakura, but she has something for him and his fight for recognition, as well as Naruto does for her, though he did suffer a lot and she should have stopped since hurting herself.

Tell me how a man can love a couple like NH? There is nothing attractive for them beyond the breasts Hinata and as I said his own inflated ego to have a girl behind him. Even though he'd been out of the girl he likes and desist, there would be more natural to turn to some girl with whom he could have a relationship like we hoped to have with the girl he liked? I do not know if I'm explaining myself very well, as I said, girls who like NH has some reason for this, but men do not. How can he love a girl that haunts him? She saw at its worst and yet did not help, but still ensures love him?
I've asked friends about it and none can give me a convincing explanation. It makes no sense.

Does it mean that they (referring to men NH fans) expect she to do everything exactly as he wants? How do I know Hinata for Naruto. As if he would say "I had a party last night, sorry that my house is trashed, has broken bottles all over the place, food scraps on the floor and on the couch, you can clean up before we leave? Thank you."

If he does not want a maid instead of a girlfriend, it would be smarter to move on after an out, assuming he give up the girl he loved in the first place, and look for another girl who would have a real relationship?

Sorry, I think I'm taking this too seriously, I should not mix fiction with reality, but as fans are real, I do not know how they can support this type of pairing.

There are a lot of boys who prefer that "hinata" kind of girls (i personally dont). They like this shyness and quietness on girls since they like to play the dominant role in a relationship. I know a lot of people like that, but well i personally will never understand how it can that awesome to have a girlfriend who never disagrees with you and does all you want. It must feel like ýour together with some kind of slave.

[HauntedCake]

There are a lot of boys who prefer that "hinata" kind of girls (i personally dont). They like this shyness and quietness on girls since they like to play the dominant role in a relationship. I know a lot of people like that, but well i personally will never understand how it can that awesome to have a girlfriend who never disagrees with you and does all you want. It must feel like ýour together with some kind of slave.

Agreed.

Its not healthy to have one person dominant in a relationship

[Inferno180]

One person asked me how NaruSaku would come about after the confession even when Naruto said no to Sakura, I told him all the usual reasons for the first one (sakura was desperate and worried about Naruto, ashamed by what Sasuke became, Sai kinda pushed her to that position, it was for Narutos sake, the kishi interview over the confession, etc).

They asked me what would the difference be if she did it again, I said that Sakura approaching Naruto again after events like 540 and possibly advancing further from other events (maybe Sakura in 615?), it would be something in one part possibly apologizing, trying to explain it herself unless Naruto just already forgave her (and Naruto is a very forgiving guy, I would not expect him to stay mad a someone he considers his most important friend aside from Sasuke), if the fore-mentioned does not happen though, after a series of events that makes her realize, gradually makes her see, the difference between this first confession and the second which would be Naruto accepting it, the main difference would be honesty and possibly show how much she genuinely cares for Naruto, rather being fully open to him rather than only partially as she has been in the majority of the series, I told this person, remember Sakura is a tsundere type character, though she is openly friendly with Naruto, when feelings of concern and closeness come up, she limits herself most of the time, however in situations such as the knowledge of what happens to a bijuu being removed was revealed, the 4 tail event, and sai telling her Naruto loves her, these were real honest feelings she had projected on him, worried, concerned, and scared for him. Naruto only saw her cry for him at the bijuu removal revelation but he reassured her so this moment was caught short and this was not the only time she was concerned, Naruto is unaware of the concern and feelings she showed for him during the other 2, hell he does not know Sakura is aware of his crush on her or in moments when she admired and smiled at him.

Basically the moment would be one part full open honesty with all her feelings, not over emotional but it would be something they have dialouge over, about team 7 and mainly Sasuke in general, but because the fight between Naruto and Sasuke is the big event, if this is where the second confession occured, it would be something like Sakura showing and proving to Naruto she accepts him, acknowledges him, and shows her true feelings for him, possibly display her true concern and "Don't know what she would do with herself if Naruto failed to come back, basically advocate how important she sees him as well, even how much she is suffering from not only Sasuke like Naruto, but also suffering over the possibility that Naruto could never come back. It could be a moment of full openness and her being honest with herself and especially selfless to Naruto that would make him accept it, a combination of Sakura doing it with maturity, honesty, openness, etc but all after the development for this and reasons to switch to Naruto has happened and lead Sakura here.

It would mainly Sakura's maturity and fullcoming, this is what a situation like this would represent, it would end with acceptance of each other.

This is not even needing to factor in other stuff like their development or the parallels of the sanin, team minato, and minato and kushina.

Edited by Inferno180, 04 April 2013 - 09:54 PM.

[Shadow1275]

There are a lot of boys who prefer that "hinata" kind of girls (i personally dont). They like this shyness and quietness on girls since they like to play the dominant role in a relationship. I know a lot of people like that, but well i personally will never understand how it can that awesome to have a girlfriend who never disagrees with you and does all you want. It must feel like ýour together with some kind of slave.

True, part of being in a relationship is figuring out how to make it work because despite your differences, you care for that other person. If the other person is just doing whatever you want them to not only is it not fair, but it is also not healthy. In terms of SS, not only is that relationship one-sided, but considering he tried to kill her you could call it abusive. Now granted this is a manga and these aren't real people, but Kishi has to know that if he forces either of the other relationships without development then they won't make sense.

Starting to get deeply emotional in this forum, I' gonna have to lift some weights or throw a football around

[TouKen4Life3g]

True, part of being in a relationship is figuring out how to make it work because despite your differences, you care for that other person. If the other person is just doing whatever you want them to not only is it not fair, but it is also not healthy. In terms of SS, not only is that relationship one-sided, but considering he tried to kill her you could call it abusive. Now granted this is a manga and these aren't real people, but Kishi has to know that if he forces either of the other relationships without development then they won't make sense.

Starting to get deeply emotional in this forum, I' gonna have to lift some weights or throw a football around

I admit, this stuff happens to me when I get suck in to the forum. The thing about Naruto is that the role that Sakura is in in terms of love is that she has two directions. Most anime/manga has the girl only one direction, which can be obvious in the end, unless she gets killed off but let's not go too deep. The point is Sakura is not really in that role who has a nice childhood with the guy, who now turned either bad or only focus on one person. When it comes to that role, they both must share nice moments and happiness are shown from both sides. That's not SS. Not only that, but Sakura and Naruto share moments that only love 101 can bring. Sakura and Naruto smile, care deeply for each other, share fun moments, and of course, showing Naruto alerted by Sakura's sadness, which he immediately takes action. That's love.

If you want to see how SS should have work to make it possible, try other anime/manga or even a video game.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

I admit, this stuff happens to me when I get suck in to the forum. The thing about Naruto is that the role that Sakura is in in terms of love is that she has two directions. Most anime/manga has the girl only one direction, which can be obvious in the end, unless she gets killed off but let's not go too deep. The point is Sakura is not really in that role who has a nice childhood with the guy, who now turned either bad or only focus on one person. When it comes to that role, they both must share nice moments and happiness are shown from both sides. That's not SS. Not only that, but Sakura and Naruto share moments that only love 101 can bring. Sakura and Naruto smile, care deeply for each other, share fun moments, and of course, showing Naruto alerted by Sakura's sadness, which he immediately takes action. That's love.

If you want to see how SS should have work to make it possible, try other anime/manga or even a video game.

What about asspulls?

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 04 April 2013 - 11:10 PM.