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[Superman333]

Anywho
 
This is definitely the closest pair to getting canon, the only problem is that where exactly do they progress from here? Who confesses at this point?
 
Naruto? Well Sakura already knows, Sai basically confessed for him, not to mention Naruto seemed to get his point across when he introduced Sakura as his sort of girlfriend to his dead father
 
Sakura? Possibly but we need to see her get that "love epiphany" people have been talking about (it would be kind of odd to transition from Sasuke to Naruto off-panel, granted she does have feelings for him but judging from what Yamato and Kishi himself stated she hasn't yet understood them) even then when she finds out she does love him, how exactly will the re-confession go? Will it be like last time only now Naruto somehow believes she's finally over Sasuke?
 
hence why I said this is sort of in a deadlock, I do think its gonna be canon I just have no idea how Kishi's gonna go about doing it.

Naruto got to be a man and confess for himself .

[Gojira]

Exactly. It doesn't matter if it was only one moment. That one moment answered a lot of questions, it is very relevant.

 

The fact that Naruto doesn't know that Sakura knows is relevant too. That means only one thing is preventing him from confessing, but it seems that he'll succeed in that too. When Sasuke is back, nothing will stop Naruto from confessing to Sakura. So why do you think he won't?

It'll also be good for her to hear it from his mouth, she only knows that he loves her, not why or for how long.

Wasn't his promise to bring Sasuke back himself? Doesn't that count if he returns on his own?.....and possibly getting imprisoned? Again what exactly is this supposed to change? She knows he's loved her for quite a while.

 

 

On a separate note I find this pretty interesting

 

The shonen shipping foreshadowing that they love doing. (pretty much the author making a pair canon before he makes it canon)

 

 

Dragonball

Chapter 433

http://www.mangapand...hapter-433.html

Chapter 519

http://www.mangapand...hapter-519.html

 

Rave

Chapter 67

http://www.mangahere...09/c067/15.html

Chapter 296

http://www.mangahere...35/c296/53.html

 

FMA

Chapter 13

http://manga.animea....13-page-39.html

http://manga.animea....13-page-40.html

Chapter 108

http://manga.animea....8-page-105.html

 

Rurouni Kenshin (sort of)

Chapter 16

http://www.mangapand...chapter-16.html

Chapter 255

http://www.mangapand...hapter-255.html

 

Naruto

Chapter 631

http://www.mangapanda.com/naruto/631/5

Maybe?

http://fc09.devianta...t93-d3kx9fo.jpg

 

I wonder if I forgot any.

Edited by Pepsi, 05 March 2014 - 12:54 AM.

[BakeNeko-Chan]

 

Wasn't his promise to bring Sasuke back himself? Doesn't that count if he returns on his own?.....and possibly getting imprisoned? Again what exactly is this supposed to change? She knows he's loved her for quite a while.

 

 

But Sakura still hasn't heard it from him. I don't think Sai telling her that Naruto loves negates the possibility or likelihood of Naruto making a confession of his own in the future. Hearing about Naruto feelings for her from a third party isn't the same as hearing it from Naruto himself. Hinata confessed to Naruto and Sakura confessed to Sasuke; what would make you think Naruto -- the main character -- would not get the chance to tell the girl he loves how he feels?

Edited by BakeNeko-Chan, 05 March 2014 - 01:17 AM.

[Gojira]

 

But Sakura still hasn't heard it from him. I don't think Sai telling her that Naruto loves negates the possibility or likelihood of Naruto making a confession of his own in the future. Hearing about Naruto feelings for her from a third party isn't the same as hearing it from Naruto himself. Hinata confessed to Naruto and Sakura confessed to Sasuke; what would make you think Naruto -- the main character -- would not get the chance to tell the girl he loves how he feels?

I'm not questioning whether or not he's going to do it, I'm asking how exactly does this change anything? Again I don't think Sakura simply falls for Naruto and gets over Sasuke off-panel, we still need to see some way of her epiphany.

[KnS]

Wasn't his promise to bring Sasuke back himself? Doesn't that count if he returns on his own?.....and possibly getting imprisoned? Again what exactly is this supposed to change? She knows he's loved her for quite a while.

 

That was the whole point of Sakura releasing Naruto from the promise.  After she did, Naruto replied that whether the promise counted or not, he still wanted to save Sasuke for his own reasons.  (He wants Sasuke to live without being filled with hate and revenge.)

 

After Sakura told him she didn't need the promise anymore, we got this:

 

 

The takeaway message was that Naruto had let go of the burden of his promise to Sakura, since he still had the burden of saving Sasuke. 

 

There's no deadlock.  

 

And.... It may seem to us as if Sakura has known for a long time, but it hasn't been long in manga time.  

 

Naruto needs to make the confession himself, and his words to Sai indicate that he wants to confess to Sakura.  He needs to own his feelings for her and tell her.

 

Sakura may know he loves her, but she doesn't know that it was really him -- and not Sasuke -- who thought of kissing her forehead.  If she is brought to realize the truth of the bench scene, she will know that Naruto liked her and was attracted to her -- for herself -- from the beginning.

Edited by KnS, 05 March 2014 - 01:54 AM.

[BakeNeko-Chan]

I'm not questioning whether or not he's going to do it, I'm asking how exactly does this change anything? Again I don't think Sakura simply falls for Naruto and gets over Sasuke off-panel, we still need to see some way of her epiphany.

 

Sakura has already shown that she does not trust Sasuke and when she thought of him in 540(?) she did not have the look of a girl in love. I think she's a lot closer to "over him" than many people think. Granted, there still needs to be a final resolution to show the audience that those feelings of hers are truly in her past, but regardless of that, she wouldn't be "simply falling for Naruto" -- like it came out of the blue -- since their relationship has been built up over much of the manga.

Edited by BakeNeko-Chan, 05 March 2014 - 02:34 AM.

[Gojira]

 

 

That was the whole point of Sakura releasing Naruto from the promise.  After she did, Naruto replied that whether the promise counted or not, he still wanted to save Sasuke for his own reasons.  (He wants Sasuke to live without being filled with hate and revenge.)

 

After Sakura told him she didn't need the promise anymore, we got this:

 

 

The takeaway message was that Naruto had let go of the burden of his promise to Sakura, since he still had the burden of saving Sasuke. 

 

There's no deadlock.  

 

And.... It may seem to us as if Sakura has known for a long time, but it hasn't been long in manga time.  

 

Naruto needs to make the confession himself, and his words to Sai indicate that he wants to confess to Sakura.  He needs to own his feelings for her and tell her.

 

Sakura may know he loves her, but she doesn't know that it was really him -- and not Sasuke -- who thought of kissing her forehead.  If she is brought to realize the truth of the bench scene, she will know that Naruto liked her and was attracted to her -- for herself -- from the beginning.

 

 

Yeah this is the part of the arc that confused the hell out of me.

"I can't confess, because i can't even keep my promise"

 

"This doesn't have anything to do with the promise"

 

In this case he should have confessed already 

 

Also don't get me wrong I think clearing up the whole bench scene would be a fantastic way to tie in with the beginning. problem is sakura hasn't ever thought about that moment so it was never really significant, which is a shame because Kishi could have used that point as the reason why Sakura loved Sasuke because he thought he craed about her when it was really Naruto.

Edited by Pepsi, 05 March 2014 - 02:11 AM.

[luffyq1]

 

 

That was the whole point of Sakura releasing Naruto from the promise.  After she did, Naruto replied that whether the promise counted or not, he still wanted to save Sasuke for his own reasons.  (He wants Sasuke to live without being filled with hate and revenge.)

 

After Sakura told him she didn't need the promise anymore, we got this:

 

 

The takeaway message was that Naruto had let go of the burden of his promise to Sakura, since he still had the burden of saving Sasuke. 

 

There's no deadlock.  

 

And.... It may seem to us as if Sakura has known for a long time, but it hasn't been long in manga time.  

 

Naruto needs to make the confession himself, and his words to Sai indicate that he wants to confess to Sakura.  He needs to own his feelings for her and tell her.

 

Sakura may know he loves her, but she doesn't know that it was really him -- and not Sasuke -- who thought of kissing her forehead.  If she is brought to realize the truth of the bench scene, she will know that Naruto liked her and was attracted to her -- for herself -- from the beginning.

 

Finding out that it was Naruto who gave her the compliment is nice and all, but I don't think it will solidify NS. I read lots of theories that Sakura will instantly love Naruto once she finds out it was Naruto and not Sasuke during the bench scene. My problem with it is that it has not been referenced in the manga. I'm specifically talking about the "forehead compliment", not the conversation that came after it. I never got the impression that that scene should hold so much weight into solidifying NS, especially since Sakura isn't insecure about her forehead anymore. Honestly, we really don't know why she loves Sasuke. But if it does in fact turn out that she fell in love with Sasuke simply because he complimented her forehead, don't you think it would be touched on more? What's your take?

[TyranntX]

Does Kishi use symbolism? Has he done it before?

 

Kishi Is a symbolism addict. especialy when it comes to NS.

 

 

Finding out that it was Naruto who gave her the compliment is nice and all, but I don't think it will solidify NS. I read lots of theories that Sakura will instantly love Naruto once she finds out it was Naruto and not Sasuke during the bench scene. My problem with it is that it has not been referenced in the manga. I'm specifically talking about the "forehead compliment", not the conversation that came after it. I never got the impression that that scene should hold so much weight into solidifying NS, especially since Sakura isn't insecure about her forehead anymore. Honestly, we really don't know why she loves Sasuke. But if it does in fact turn out that she fell in love with Sasuke simply because he complimented her forehead, don't you think it would be touched on more? What's your take?

 

 your kidding right? it dose help solidify NS. and we do know why she loved him. its the same reason why all girls at sakura's age (in act I) say they are in love with a boy. Looks alone! now that we are very deep into act II we can clearly see that she is not in love with sasuke any more. She doesn't know that, but its obvious that she doesn't.

 

I for one think that the bench scene is a very powerful NS moment, in fact its the firs NS moment, its what made people believe that NS was a possibility back then. Now a days we know that Sakura will be with naruto, but that dose not mean that the bench scene is useless... it's just a minor piece to the puzzle.

Edited by TyranntX, 05 March 2014 - 02:53 AM.

[xxRomanceGirlxx]

@luffyq1:

 

That is exactly how I feel about re-visiting the Bench scene too. I don't have an issue with it as an idea, but the whole scene was never mentioned again or emphasized. If it was supposed to be meaningful to her, then wouldn't Sakura flashback on it more? For example ... Sasuke's "thank you" when he left the village. That clearly meant a lot to her and the couple flashbacks of it since then prove it. Sakura could still be insecure about her forehead, but  it doesn't seem important enough to be brought up. Even in Sakura's confession to Sasuke, she didn't flashback to the forehead comment or the time she almost "kissed him". It was when Sasuke got mad at her near the bench ... ironic.

 

I agree that MinaKushi gave more relevance to the forehead comment, but that still doesn't mean that's going to happen. Naruto complimented her forehead just like Minato complimented Kushina's hair and we can just leave it at that.

 

I see NaruSaku being canon another way ... maybe redressing her confession in the Land of Iron or the build-up leading towards the Naruto vs. Sasuke fight.

[KnS]

Finding out that it was Naruto who gave her the compliment is nice and all, but I don't think it will solidify NS. I read lots of theories that Sakura will instantly love Naruto once she finds out it was Naruto and not Sasuke during the bench scene. My problem with it is that it has not been referenced in the manga. I'm specifically talking about the "forehead compliment", not the conversation that came after it. I never got the impression that that scene should hold so much weight into solidifying NS, especially since Sakura isn't insecure about her forehead anymore. Honestly, we really don't know why she loves Sasuke. But if it does in fact turn out that she fell in love with Sasuke simply because he complimented her forehead, don't you think it would be touched on more? What's your take?

 

If it happens, I don't think Sakura will suddenly fall in love with Naruto because of it, or that it will close the gap.  I think NS will "more or less" be solid by the time any bench scene revisit comes up anyway.

 

It doesn't concern me at all that the bench scene hasn't been thought of by a character or brought up directly since.  It was hinted at again, indirectly, when we found out that Minato complimented the very physical attribute of Kushina's that she hated.  That's what made her fall in love with him.  If Kishimoto did more than that in terms of bringing up the same point between Naruto and Sakura (the bench scene), it would be too obvious.

 

Of course, none of us can be certain that it will or will not be brought up again.  If it is, it will merely be a way to bring NS full circle -- the cherry on top, so to speak.  After all, it is in that scene -- when Henge!Sasuke!Naruto nearly kissed Sakura that we knew for sure he loved her.  It seems fitting to revisit it when he finally says he loves her.

 

It just makes sense to me that the forehead kiss will happen, in some way, even if there is no dialogue.  Naruto wanted to kiss her forehead and he probably still does.  It seems very much like something Kishimoto might do. 

[Raito]

While Naruto confess from his heart l wanna see her in tears like she she's never been before 

[Dalton.T.R]

I don't have a problem with the bench scene...but...it's not really...very realistic when you think about it. If Sakura was concerned more about the size of her forehead then Kishi should have gone back to it from time to time. I think that was Kishi's way of putting...the 'girly side' in Sakura's character. Not trying to sound sexist here, but women these days seem to always think there's something wrong with them. Whether it be their weight, looks or something else. 

 

I think that's all Sakura complaining about her forehead was.

[Otaru]

I don't have a problem with the bench scene...but...it's not really...very realistic when you think about it. If Sakura was concerned more about the size of her forehead then Kishi should have gone back to it from time to time. I think that was Kishi's way of putting...the 'girly side' in Sakura's character. Not trying to sound sexist here, but women these days seem to always think there's something wrong with them. Whether it be their weight, looks or something else. 

 

I think that's all Sakura complaining about her forehead was.

 

Yes but it also happens that Naruto likes this part of her she hated so much, just like Kushina hated her hair.

It's way too much similar for it not to be brought up again.

 

@everyone

 

Minato said to Kushina he loved her hair, and then, Kushina fell completely for him.

Sakura was so pleased and surprised when "Sasuke" told her he found her forehead beautiful.

Since the beginning of this manga, Kishi TOLD US THAT NARUTO WAS EXACTLY THE TYPE OF MAN SHE REALLY WANTED DEEP DOWN INSIDE. But didn't know about it because she was blinded by "good looking and awesome Sasuke". Like many girls, she fell for the typical alpha male that every girl loved.

 

This is not real love.

 

All this seems weird to us because Kishi was forced to make it last too much longer because Naruto's manga was a big success.

I'm sure he always wanted to finish it with Naruto winning the heart of Sakura.

 

I swear, if by some dark miracle NaruHina would appear, then I would really don't understand at all Kishi's logic.

 

Almost EVERYTHING in this manga is a parallel for NaruSaku.

How many hints do we need ?

 

MinaKushi (they are just the same !) / ObiRin (yeah she loved Kakashi BUT the story shows she cared a lot more for Obito) / YahiKonan (they are basically a copy paste of NaruSaku LOL) / JiraTsu (Yeah they never were together but it could have be, it's implied in the story)

 

Not to mentioned what Kushina said, the encounter with Minato, what Naruto said to Sai, AND THE FACT THAT NARUTO IS THE MAIN CHARACTER WHO IS SUPPOSED TO SUCCEED IN EVERYTHING.

 

=D

Edited by Otaru, 05 March 2014 - 11:28 AM.

[Gojira]

 

Yes but it also happens that Naruto likes this part of her she hated so much, just like Kushina hated her hair.

It's way too much similar for it not to be brought up again.

 

@everyone

 

Minato said to Kushina he loved her hair, and then, Kushina fell completely for him.

Sakura was so pleased and surprised when "Sasuke" told her he found her forehead beautiful.

Since the beginning of this manga, Kishi TOLD US THAT NARUTO WAS EXACTLY THE TYPE OF MAN SHE REALLY WANTED DEEP DOWN INSIDE. But didn't know about it because she was blinded by "good looking and awesome Sasuke". Like many girls, she fell for the typical alpha male that every girl loved.

 

This is not real love.

 

All this seems weird to us because Kishi was forced to make it last too much longer because Naruto's manga was a big success.

I'm sure he always wanted to finish it with Naruto winning the heart of Sakura.

 

I swear, if by some dark miracle NaruHina would appear, then I would really don't understand at all Kishi's logic.

 

Almost EVERYTHING in this manga is a parallel for NaruSaku.

How many hints do we need ?

 

MinaKushi (they are just the same !) / ObiRin (yeah she loved Kakashi BUT the story shows she cared a lot more for Obito) / YahiKonan (they are basically a copy paste of NaruSaku LOL) / JiraTsu (Yeah they never were together but it could have be, it's implied in the story)

 

Not to mentioned what Kushina said, the encounter with Minato, what Naruto said to Sai, AND THE FACT THAT NARUTO IS THE MAIN CHARACTER WHO IS SUPPOSED TO SUCCEED IN EVERYTHING.

 

=D

 

 

When did Kishi say that?

Edited by Pepsi, 05 March 2014 - 12:04 PM.

[Chatte]

When did Kishi say that?

Well, you can actually tell from the context, deduce it...

[Otaru]

Well, you can actually tell from the context, deduce it...

 

Yeah that was what I meant.

I used the verb "to tell" because to me it's basically it.

 

It is what Kishi shows through his story, without any doubt.

Sakura was pleased by what Naruto said.

She thought it was Sasuke, but it was Naruto.

 

With this small chapter, Kishimoto created the problem of the love triangle, and he also gave the answer.

With this small chapter, Kishimoto gave us, the readers, the desire to see Naruto win Sakura's heart, and the desire to see Sakura really notice Naruto.

Edited by Otaru, 05 March 2014 - 12:15 PM.

[Gojira]

Well, you can actually tell from the context, deduce it...

The way she said it though made it seem like Kishi said it in an interview

 

 

Yeah that was what I meant.

I used the verb "to tell" because to me it's basically it.

 

It is what Kishi shows through his story, without any doubt.

Sakura was pleased by what Naruto said.

She thought it was Sasuke, but it was Naruto.

 

With this small chapter, Kishimoto created the problem of the love triangle, and he also gave the answer.

With this small chapter, Kishimoto gave us, the readers, the desire to see Naruto win Sakura's heart, and the desire to see Sakura really notice Naruto.

I'm pretty sure Sakura liked Sasuke long before the forehead comment.

 

Anyway its like I said before if he no longer has the burden of the promise why didn't he confess already?

Edited by Pepsi, 05 March 2014 - 12:19 PM.

[Otaru]

Yes Sakura liked Sasuke before but with this she thought it was stronger.

Although "Sasuke" said to her what he said could be the words of Naruto and then she felt depressed.

So maybe it hadn't influenced her feelings for Sasuke that much.

 

But you see, once a word is said, it is said.

I've always thought a word could influence the feelings of the person you're talking to, even if you would take back your words.

So, even if "Sasuke" said to her it could be something Naruto would say, he actually said it to her, and created a feeling in her with those words. I think it had an influence on her. Like Naruto said, he has made "Sasuke looks cool". Naruto even wanted to go back and make Sasuke looks like a jerk, but you see Naruto didn't even need to do that because guess what, Sasuke didn't need help to look like a jerk.

He was harsh to her. He was right, and Sakura was childish and all, but Sasuke was harsh. And at the end, this was needed, because it was Sasuke that made her begin to change toward Naruto.

I think Kishimoto didn't wanted Naruto to ever be harsh to Sakura, even if he would henge himself into Sasuke.

 

Naruto is only supposed to be gentle to Sakura.

 

I think this will be brought up in the future.

 

I totally see Naruto saying that to her again, and Sakura connecting everything, realising that Naruto is the one she really wanted.

 

Naruto yet hasn't confessed to her.

Even if the burden of the promise is no more on his shoulders, Naruto is really not the type to think about himself before others.

The moment will come, but not now.

 

Kishimoto is keeping it for later IMO. Maybe he is keeping it for the end.

Edited by Otaru, 05 March 2014 - 12:52 PM.

[melovechoco]

This... I agree...all of this need an end...sooner or later, both of them will realise it.