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#15181 Nostradamus

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Posted 04 March 2014 - 12:10 AM

I see the argument everywhere. It's weird. I don't believe the CPR and the handholding can be compared thou. What could the CPR symbolize? At best, Kishi may have grabbed the opportunity to make NS lock lips. She was just trying to save his life, but it's a work of fiction so the scene was not really necessary.

Sakura holding Naruto's heart pretty much symbolizes that Naruto's heart belongs to Sakura, the symbolism behind this moment is obvious. I mean Hinata got to hold Naruto's hand but Sakura got to literally hold Naruto's heart. :wink:


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Posted 04 March 2014 - 12:13 AM

Does Kishi use symbolism? Has he done it before?

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Posted 04 March 2014 - 12:15 AM

Does Kishi use symbolism? Has he done it before?

Many times yes.



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Posted 04 March 2014 - 12:16 AM

Sakura holding Naruto's heart pretty much symbolizes that Naruto's heart belongs to Sakura, the symbolism behind this moment is obvious. I mean Hinata got to hold Naruto's hand but Sakura got to literally hold Naruto's heart. :wink:

Oh CPR is the heart surgrey too? I thought it was just the mouth to mouth. :sweat: I agree.

Does Kishi use symbolism? Has he done it before?

Yes, most recently he used birds to represent Neji's freedom. It reminds me of the song 'Fly' by Celine Dion, which is a beautiful song btw. ^^


Edited by sushi., 04 March 2014 - 12:18 AM.

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Posted 04 March 2014 - 12:26 AM

Oh CPR is the heart surgrey too? I thought it was just the mouth to mouth. :sweat: I agree.

Well Sakura got tired of waiting for Naruto, so she decided to just take Naruto's heart. :chuckle:


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Posted 04 March 2014 - 12:29 AM

Anime doesn't count. What you are saying here is that you predicted NS based on the first cover. :v
I see the argument everywhere. It's weird. I don't believe the CPR and the handholding can be compared thou. What could the CPR symbolize? At best, Kishi may have grabbed the opportunity to make NS lock lips. She was just trying to save his life, but it's a work of fiction so the scene was not really necessary.

That Sakura has Naruto's heart and that will never change.
 
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Posted 04 March 2014 - 02:07 AM

Who else agrees this time its Naruto`s turn to confess his feelings to Sakura after the war? I think this is the way to do it, be a man about it.


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Posted 04 March 2014 - 02:16 AM

^ I agree.

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Posted 04 March 2014 - 02:28 AM

Who else agrees this time its Naruto`s turn to confess his feelings to Sakura after the war? I think this is the way to do it, be a man about it.

 

I DO want this, I feel like their story builds up to him confessing to her. I'm crossing my fingers for the #1 unpredictable confession


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Posted 04 March 2014 - 02:49 AM

Many times yes.

When?

 

 

Who else agrees this time its Naruto`s turn to confess his feelings to Sakura after the war? I think this is the way to do it, be a man about it.

 

 

Doesn't Sakura already know? then again i can't really Sakura re-confessing again, she'd have to say the same thing but somehow make it sound more convincing. She's gonna have to give some proof she's over Sasuke this time.

 

Also Naruto probably isn't even gonna bother confessing, he did introduce Sakura to his dad as his girlfriend after all.


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Posted 04 March 2014 - 02:53 AM

He thought Obito is like invisible. No one knows how that thing works until the battle happens. That's when he realized it was connected, rather being "speed". Sakura thought it wasn't speed, it's as if his body went to a new world. That's our clue. We just didn't put the puzzle right until we got it. Though you can say we did once Madara (Edo) showed up.

Yeah, but here is the thing. Kakashi didn't even question it nor was it even brought up that he even thought about it being Obito. There were at least three clues to Kakashi right off the back with the Kamui being similar, this guy knowing of that technique that Kakashi has, and the fact that this man knew he was Kakashi.

I understand him not figuring it out, but to never question it seems rather funny.

I bring this point up because of the whole "Karin didn't recognize the mysterious man chakra so it can't be Kabuto" theory. From a writing standpoint, it wouldn't make sense for Kakashi never to question it because it would have given away the identity a long time ago.


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#15192 Gojira

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Posted 04 March 2014 - 02:56 AM

I always just assumed Kakashi was in denial.


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Posted 04 March 2014 - 03:27 AM

Yeah, but here is the thing. Kakashi didn't even question it nor was it even brought up that he even thought about it being Obito. There were at least three clues to Kakashi right off the back with the Kamui being similar, this guy knowing of that technique that Kakashi has, and the fact that this man knew he was Kakashi.

I understand him not figuring it out, but to never question it seems rather funny.

I bring this point up because of the whole "Karin didn't recognize the mysterious man chakra so it can't be Kabuto" theory. From a writing standpoint, it would make sense for Kakashi never to question it because it would have given away the identity a long time ago.

Well Kakashi isn't like a hidden character. Remember, Madara is what Tobi called himself, so the world believed it since he was being haxer and what not. I mean imagine this.

 

Kakashi: I'll stop him with kamui

Tobi: Not so fast, that wouldn't work on me.

Kakashi: OBITO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

But seriously, Kakashi was already convinced that he was dead. Once they learned that Madara is not Tobi, then witnessing it, the puzzle starts to make sense. It's like you have the puzzle of obito, but it's 1000 pieces, so you have a hard time to place it. Once I told you it's Madara, you stopped working. But then you find out I lied. So now, it's back to work. Then you start seeing Obito. That's how it works. Again, you can say the "truth" and people would buy it especially if you "prove" it. After all, Tobi did train under him.



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Posted 04 March 2014 - 06:31 AM

Does Kishi use symbolism? Has he done it before?

 

 

Kishi is a symbolism whore.


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Posted 04 March 2014 - 07:01 AM

Well Kakashi isn't like a hidden character. Remember, Madara is what Tobi called himself, so the world believed it since he was being haxer and what not. I mean imagine this.

 

Kakashi: I'll stop him with kamui

Tobi: Not so fast, that wouldn't work on me.

Kakashi: OBITO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

But seriously, Kakashi was already convinced that he was dead. Once they learned that Madara is not Tobi, then witnessing it, the puzzle starts to make sense. It's like you have the puzzle of obito, but it's 1000 pieces, so you have a hard time to place it. Once I told you it's Madara, you stopped working. But then you find out I lied. So now, it's back to work. Then you start seeing Obito. That's how it works. Again, you can say the "truth" and people would buy it especially if you "prove" it. After all, Tobi did train under him.

Ummm....what are you talking about, 4life? You seemed to have missed the point I was trying to make. There is actually enough evidence for Kakashi to actually consider Tobi being Obito, but truth is Kishi never wrote that part in because if would have blown the entire reveal apart. The idea that "Kakashi knew he was dead" kind of works for Madara as well seeing as many knew of the great battle and how Hashirama defeated him. I am pretty sure they would know that Madara would be dead too at that point seeing how it was a good...what, 80 years difference at least?

The point I was also try to show is that you can't just sit here and say "Well, because this character doesn't recognize them doesn't mean it can't be them." Many want to claim that it can't be Kabuto because Karin didn't recognize the chakra, but we all know this is bull and Obito is an example of it no matter how you slice it.

Plus as I said, from a writer's standpoint, if you have characters recognize them, then it takes away from the mystery. If Karin said "I recognize this chakra," then obvious it would be Kabuto and the "mystery" behind the "mysterious man" would pointless.

See where I am getting at?


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Posted 04 March 2014 - 07:21 AM


 
Kishi is a symbolism whore.


He's more of a parallelism whore. :banana:


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Posted 04 March 2014 - 07:24 AM

When?

 

There are so  many examples that it makes me tired to think of listing them.   :twitch:

 

Try these links.  I found them a while back.  Not sure I agree with all the conclusions, but it will give you an idea.

 

Narutology: An Introduction to Japanese Mythology and Symbolism in Naruto

 

Symbolism of Naruto



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Posted 04 March 2014 - 09:29 AM

He's more of a parallelism whore. :banana:

 

Don't limit him. He's both. :argh:



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Posted 04 March 2014 - 10:43 AM

Who else agrees this time its Naruto`s turn to confess his feelings to Sakura after the war? I think this is the way to do it, be a man about it.

 

I really would like him to do so...

But I'm afraid Kishi put Sai here to confess it to Sakura for Naruto.

Maybe Naruto will never tell her.


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Posted 04 March 2014 - 11:04 AM

 

I really would like him to do so...

But I'm afraid Kishi put Sai here to confess it to Sakura for Naruto.

Maybe Naruto will never tell her.

Sai saying to Sakura that Naruto loves her is not the same as Naruto telling her or confessing himself , Sai didn't tell her why does Naruto loves her and what about her makes him love her so much , how she makes him feel she doesn't know the reasons for it . So no its not the same there is a big difference to it .      


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