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#1501 trang95

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Posted 09 May 2015 - 01:08 AM

 

Well the problem is the early stuff, while the design for Luffy and Zoro has not changed much over the years, everything else has evolved quite a bit. For the time the design for One Piece was unique, most other manga's were similar to the way Naruto was done, which is typical Shounen design. So you had to get past a preconception of how the drawings should look and actually read the manga for it's story. Plus when you look at the early designs of Luffy, and Nami specially, they were kinda basic, Luffy's been the shorts, the hat, and the waistcoat, and Nami was skirt with simple striped top.

 

It gave off the impression that the manga was aimed at younger kids, so specially in the west it got overlooked due to assumptions on the quality and demographic it was aimed at, the 4-Kids version did not help matters much either, as they took the anime, kiddified it and destroyed any possability of the anime succeeding in the West. Remember this was a time when the internet was still early, so TV dubs were how most of us were introduced to animes. And One Piece made the worst possible first impression, an impression that stuck to with many fans.

 

You look through the chapters from One piece and you see massive improvements in the artwork, The same can't be said for Naruto, if anything it could be argued the charactor designs in Naruto just got plain lazy, you just have to compare the original generation as kids with the new generation, even the adult versions of the original generation are plain lazy.

 

One Piece is not an easy sell in the west, I couldn't convince my nephews to read it, even me it took my friend ages to convince me, and if I hadn't watched Naruto and Bleach first I probably wouldn't have given it a chance either. The thing about Bleach and Naruto is they get you hooked from the first chapter, where with One Piece you have to get to the Arlong Park ark to really get to the interesting arcs.

Ah, I see. Yes, that is true. One Piece truly didn't get interesting until Sanji joined the crew, and the first serious arc did not start until the Arlong Arc. I've started reading One Piece from Ch.1 last year, so the drawing style is still fresh in my mind. Strangely enough, it didn't bug me... Though the artstyle has evolved over the years, I already liked it. Yes, it looked childish, but it was consistent and clean (in my eyes). Did I mention the humor that was already topnotch from the start?

As I've mentioned before in previous, I've started watching One Piece more than ten years ago, so I'm totally used to the style already and ventured into the manga already knowing what to expect. It was the German dub, and the voice actors completely nailed the characters and were kind enough to dub the Jap openings (while the US opening version...).

With all that being said, I'm not completely a fan of the female body proportions in One Piece (yes, I'm picky), but that is not a major issue in my eyes. In comparison, Naruto seems to completely scrapped the idea of realistic body proportions for either gender and has sloppy artwork (like seriously, if it weren't for the hair and facial features, some of the women look like men). The artwork sucked back then and isn't that much better now.

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I always despised the artwork in Naruto, but I'm not someone who will drop or not start reading a manga b/c the artwork is bad (aka Magi)- but that's just me who doesn't appreciate manga artwork enough.


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Posted 09 May 2015 - 01:14 AM

luffy is being paralleled to roger, zoro is being paralleled to rayeligh, and soon nami will follow with rouge. i'm not a big fan of parallels, but that's the direction i see oda heading into.
 
i remember when this cover came out and the shippers were freaking out lol
 

  
I love that pic! Queen Nami is always close by :chuckle: :smug:

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Posted 09 May 2015 - 03:53 PM

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Posted 09 May 2015 - 03:58 PM

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Posted 09 May 2015 - 04:09 PM

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Goddess Nami in that suit though :smug:

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Posted 09 May 2015 - 04:31 PM

Love that artwork in One Piece. Still don't see how people dislike the artwork in One Piece and think Naruto's art is superior to that of this manga :/

Me neither. Make no mistake, I do think Naruto is good, but I really like creativity of One Piece.

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Posted 09 May 2015 - 04:42 PM

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Nami though

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Posted 09 May 2015 - 06:43 PM

Goddess Nami in that suit though :smug:

 

 

Nami though

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heheheh yeah nami looks pretty cool.


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Posted 09 May 2015 - 06:45 PM

That Avengers picture is really spot on.

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Posted 09 May 2015 - 07:37 PM

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Posted 09 May 2015 - 07:41 PM

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No wonder Makino had his kid :chuckle:

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Posted 09 May 2015 - 08:38 PM

No wonder Makino had his kid :chuckle:

About Makino: Who do you think is the father?


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Posted 09 May 2015 - 08:42 PM

About Makino: Who do you think is the father?


It's definitely Shanks. Oda pretty much teased a confirmation.

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Posted 09 May 2015 - 08:47 PM

Please, we both know that there's not enough room on that bird for Nami to anywhere else but on his shoulders :chuckle:

And we both know that there's nowhere Nami would rather sit :chuckle:

 

Oda just loves dropping these little teases. 


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Posted 09 May 2015 - 09:07 PM

Me neither. Make no mistake, I do think Naruto is good, but I really like creativity of One Piece.

Naruto is much more artistic but it gone overtime.

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Posted 09 May 2015 - 09:12 PM

Naruto is much more artistic but it gone overtime.

It is done based on mythology, which is probably given to see more of those artistic. One Piece is literally on its own world. That requires too much imagination.

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Posted 09 May 2015 - 09:18 PM

It is done based on mythology, which is probably given to see more of those artistic. One Piece is literally on its own world. That requires too much imagination.

Onepiece use mythology too, and much more creative. Wait for wano arc and we will get some japan myth.

What I mean is the art in naruto, not story building. Kishi is an art bachelor, while oda is "just" watsuki assistant, naruto is much more artistic but in the last five or seven years, it doesn't artistic like In the past.

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Posted 09 May 2015 - 09:23 PM

Onepiece use mythology too, and much more creative. Wait for wano arc and we will get some japan myth.

What I mean is the art in naruto, not story building. Kishi is an art bachelor, while oda is "just" watsuki assistant, naruto is much more artistic but in the last five or seven years, it doesn't artistic like In the past.

Yeah, I know.

I feel like Kishi wants to do more of real life approach more so than a Shounen approach, because when it comes to design, he seems to lack on it, especially currently. Like I feel like he does the basic generic more or less character designs, while real life doesn't require too much "larger than life" designs. One Piece is the perfect example of Shounen designs and more. After all, Kishi did say it himself that he had to learn how to make things Shounen.

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Posted 09 May 2015 - 09:39 PM

Yeah, I know.

I feel like Kishi wants to do more of real life approach more so than a Shounen approach, because when it comes to design, he seems to lack on it, especially currently. Like I feel like he does the basic generic more or less character designs, while real life doesn't require too much "larger than life" designs. One Piece is the perfect example of Shounen designs and more. After all, Kishi did say it himself that he had to learn how to make things Shounen.

Maybe it's kishi way to transition to seinen manga. Me and nar123 that the peak of kishi art is on search for sasuke arc to immortal arc. After that we got much more rough design, I think he want to make it much more realistic. But I think his clean artwork is the best. Well kishi saving grace is his art.

For oda, I always feel that his artwork is more cartoonish (like caricature?). And it suit the comedic aproach of his manga. So the gag doesn't feel out of place with the art, unlike naruto last glove years manga where his comedy become dry and boring.

Well he want to make seinen, so his shonen feel more seinen. But I think he's not succeed in doing so. The only one who successfully do that is togashi and have togashi doesn't goes hiatus, hxh will become the second popular character, naruto third, bleach fourth. And we got big four, until kubo and kishi fall(running out of idea).

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Posted 09 May 2015 - 09:51 PM

please no more naruto talk.  :down:


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