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[Nate River]

Am I still the only person is saying that's a piece of BS statement that suddenly came out of nowhere? The only thing I can believe in that if that specific person said "I considered him/her as my brother/sister" in bold print. (But then it will turn out to be another HP bad writing coming back to take us down.)

No. Every time I see it, I demand they prove it and have called it an argument convenience multiple times.

[Daissuke]

More arguments:

In my opinion, Kishimoto has been plenty up front about his romantic subplots. I don't doubt Sakura's confession to Sasuke nor Hinata's more recent confession to Naruto. All had plenty of hints leading up to them that made them make sense. I no longer find any what-if conflicts here. My issue is not with how the girls feel - we know how the girls feel. How do the boys feel is what ought to be of concern. It's been consistently proven that neither Sasuke nor Naruto have not given the matter much thought. Sasuke in particular has not shown ANY interest in ANYONE or thought of anything outside Itachi and Konoha. SasuSaku may be my OTP, and I may believe in the strength of Sakura's feelings, but if Sasuke turns out to really not give two hoots about her, well, not much that can be done about it can it? Of course, I have my reasons to believe she is something to him and he will care, but until we get that interaction, I have no place claiming anything.

NaruHina has the most potential to go canon in my opinion. The ball is in his court now, he just needs to do something on his end (or not). I don't see anything negative about their potentiality for getting together. Hinata's a nice girl who loved him when he was nothing, Naruto's a great guy who gives everyone who hasn't squandered it a chance. I don't ship them but I don't object to them either. There's nothing bad there. I don't see the negative things others see. If Naruto decides to give Hinata a chance, it wouldn't be the most unbelieveable thing to happen in this manga. I've seen plot twists that make way the heck less sense than this.

But, in order for Sakura to actually return those affections, I must say, as promised, that Sasuke becomes a large factor. After all, she must obviously realize that while Naruto cares for her and had a crush on her when they were younger; he is still clearly obsessed with getting Sasuke back. Sasuke will always be first and foremost the main bond in Naruto’s life. If she were to return his affections, she would have to realize that she would not be one that Naruto cares about the most, and I can imagine that such would be difficult for her to accept. But accept she must, because no matter who she ends up picking, the boys’ brotherly bond will stand in her way.

Look, I ship two pairings; naruhina as it's the most logical hetero couple and narusasu as it's by far the most canon.

The problems narusaku has are a lot.

Hinata has confessed to loving Naruto; Sakura ignored Naruto's feelings, Sasuke ignored Sakura's-large problems with these couples. However, Naruto was just oblivious-not that he knows we'll see what he will do, but it's likely she will be requited.

And if naruhina doesn't happen I don't see narusaku likely at all; the boy's far too obsessed with Sasuke, no matter what Sakura currently feels for Naruto. Sasuke is his most important person, and the narusasu bond overshadows ns completely.

I have manga facts he's his most important person. Haku's quote is directly linked to what Naruto said to Sai: 'He's the person that, more than anyone else, accepted me and my existence.' So with Sasuke being most important and Sakura not or at least equal with Sasuke I don't see narusaku happening.

I believe naruhina will occur though, as Kishi probably won't make narusasu overtly canon.

[Freakazoid]

have manga facts he's his most important person. Haku's quote is directly linked to what Naruto said to Sai: 'He's the person that, more than anyone else, accepted me and my existence.' So with Sasuke being most important and Sakura not or at least equal with Sasuke I don't see narusaku happening.

I believe naruhina will occur though, as Kishi probably won't make narusasu overtly canon.



Hypocrite right there.


Gotta love Anti-NaruSaku fans telling us to PROVE that Naruto/Sakura don't have just a brother/sister relationship! Seriously? Now come on, that's just silly!

[RyrineaHaruno]

Look, I ship two pairings; naruhina as it's the most logical hetero couple and narusasu as it's by far the most canon.

The problems narusaku has are a lot.

What problems do they have I am just asking? I have know idea what you are trying to say here just because Hinata confessed doesn't mean Naruto x Hinata is cannon people get that straight.

Hinata has confessed to loving Naruto; Sakura ignored Naruto's feelings, Sasuke ignored Sakura's-large problems with these couples. However, Naruto was just oblivious-not that he knows we'll see what he will do, but it's likely she will be requited.

No Naruto x Hinata is not the most logical. I mean have they ever gotten romantic development. So what if she confessed, have you seen the same Manga we have been I mean. Rin confessed, Hinata confessed, Sakura confessed, Did the boy fall madly in love with them no they didn't. Naruto has shown that he loves Sakura in one or more chapters. He never bothered with Hinata so called feeling so why would he know?

Edited by RyrineaHaruno, 19 June 2009 - 09:41 PM.

[catsi563]

how is naruhina the most logical pairing? I can count on one hand the amount of direct person to person interaction the two have had and still have fingers left to count with.

Id have to use both hands and my feet to count the amount of naruto and sakura interactions and id still need an abacus to keep counting.

Naruto and Sakura have had the most direct interactions of any couple in the series hell fo any 2 people in the series period even naruto and sasuke.

and once again people on both sides misunderstand the the importance and symbolism behind Hinatas confession. it wasnt a direct confession of romantic love. It was a declaration of her intent to step beyond her limitations and fears because of her love for him. her intent to die to protect him because of the example he had laid out before her.

Im going to pretty well stick a pin in the hinata confession at this juncture because quite frankly had kishimoto any intentions of following through with it wed have had the two talking as of this chapter or the last one. Hinatas expression during "The Hug" was very clear and easy to read.

As to narusasu it is the most canon but not in a romantic way ((sorry fangirls)) it is the most important relationship in the series as it is the focal relationship which drives the protagonist to the lengths of heroism he is determined to go to. In many ways sasuke has driven both naruto and sakura to improve themselves to even greater extents then they may have otherwise. so in point off act that makes NaruSakuSasu (ie team 7) an even more important relationship.

Hinata has confessed to loving Naruto; Sakura ignored Naruto's feelings, Sasuke ignored Sakura's-large problems with these couples. However, Naruto was just oblivious-not that he knows we'll see what he will do, but it's likely she will be requited.

Ive ocvered this in my analysis of "The confession" Hinata is highly unlikely to be requited because quite frankly this si simply not what shes about. Hinata is about surpassing naruto in order to surpass her own weakness and failings. She has done this and thats it. there simply is no more relelvance to her character in the manga beyond a potential subplot involving the hyuuga clans branch members and her in some fashion freeing them , by adopting narutos promise to change the hyuuga clan as her own.

but even if she did this would be a separate issue and dealt with at another time.

[TashaJ]

The one thing about NaruHina, is that most of it is in fillers in the anime...which isn't logical at all as they don't have many real interactions.
She only appears a few times in the manga and even then it's every few hundred chapters.
It makes me wonder if half the NaruHina fans would exist if filler arcs were never shown,
it gets kind of annoying on NaruSaku amv's when the NaruHina fans write in big capital letters that Hinata confessed so they are togehter. Not all of them obviously, but some.
I really don't believe that NaruHina will be canon over NaruSaku in the end.
As he didn't seem to acknowledge her confession (which like catsi563 said) wasn't really meant as an over all romantic confession as she was smiling when Naruto and Sakura hugged and she wasn't one of the people to greet him over the crowd who were cheering for him, when he returned from figthing Pein.
It was only Sakura who personally greeted him and actually went as far as having physical contact with him, then interacting with him further in later chapters.
NaruSaku have also had a lot of development and romantic hints, especially that chapter when Sai tricked her into protecting Naruto, when naruto was training and learning that new technique, Sakura went as far as watching in the rain for him, I thought that was a very big hint. And as a lot of people have said before there has been no indicatio of Sasuke returning Sakura's feelings and even rejecting her. Naruto and Hinata are the same, Naruto hasn't shown any indication of returning Hinata's feelings, although he hasn't rejected her yet.

[Jenskott]

I'm sorry, but I couldn't read past the first lines. It was another batch of absurd, self-reassuring arguments, and I had no patience for it. And all in all, Catsi has brought them down wonderfully.

Scratch that, I'll comment on one thing:

have manga facts he's his most important person. Haku's quote is directly linked to what Naruto said to Sai: 'He's the person that, more than anyone else, accepted me and my existence.' So with Sasuke being most important and Sakura not or at least equal with Sasuke I don't see narusaku happening.

First of all, you're admitting yourself Naruto didn't say he was his most important person. He said Sasuke was the person more accepted his existence. It isn't the same thing and it doesn't mean they love romantically at each other or they'll end together.

Nothing -NOTHING- in this argument makes sense. Neither of your sentences link to each other. When has said Naruto Sasuke was his most important person? How his ACTUAL words mean Sasuke is his most important person? What Haku's words have to do with it? And at any rate, how Sakura not being so important like Sasuke would mean NaruSaku will not happen? Moreover, you're telling Sasuke being more important to Naruto than Sakura guarantees NaruSaku will not happen. Then why are you so sure NaruHina will happen? Hinata is NOT more important to Naruto than Sakura, and Naruto is in love with Sakura, not with Hinata.

Sasuke is Naruto's friend/rival/surrogate brother. Sakura is the girl he loves. They are two different kinds of love, and it's ridiculous trying comparing them.

Besides, this is an action-themed manga (I dislike simply telling shonen manga because there're also romance-themed shonen mangas). The strongest relationship in that kind of comics is always or nearly always the one between the main character and his friend/foe/rival.

In Captain Tsubasa, Tsubasa -the main character- had a very strong rivalry with Kojiro. According your theory, he shouldn't have got together with Sanae -the female main character- because his and Kojiro's relationship was strongest and more complex. Guess what? Tsubasa and Sanae got married, and in the last chapters she's going through her second pregnancy. And their romance wasn't so heavily hinted like NaruSaku at all.

Hinata has confessed to loving Naruto; Sakura ignored Naruto's feelings, Sasuke ignored Sakura's-large problems with these couples. However, Naruto was just oblivious-not that he knows we'll see what he will do, but it's likely she will be requited.

Sakura didn't ignore Naruto's feelings, she was unaware of them. And using your logic, she should have hooked up with Rock Lee for now.

How is NaruHina likelier? Why is likely Naruto will return his feelings? He's in love with other girl. When he returned, that girl hugged him publically, and now he's spending time with her. He isn't in love with Hinata, and we haven't seen scenes implying he's beginning to develope romantic feelings for her. In fact, he hasn't thought about Hinata or her confession not one single time, and we haven't even seen one puny scene where he gives her a simple thanks.

Again, if your logic worked, Sakura and Lee should have got together for now. Actually, if you realize, the situation is playing EXACTLY like it did back then: Character A confesses loving Character B; Character B reacts with a "WTH?" expression; Character A gets badly hurt trying protecting Character B; Character B is grateful, acknowledges Character A's feelings and considers that person a cherished friend, but doesn't talk again to Character A (actually, Sakura showed more gratitude for Lee back then than Naruto has displayed towards Hinata so far).

And if you realize, when Naruto and Sakura are hugging, Hinata and Lee's pannels are placed closely, and both characters wear matching smiles.

how is naruhina the most logical pairing?

Good question, my friend. Good question.

Ive ocvered this in my analysis of "The confession" Hinata is highly unlikely to be requited because quite frankly this si simply not what shes about. Hinata is about surpassing naruto in order to surpass her own weakness and failings. She has done this and thats it. there simply is no more relelvance to her character in the manga

Indeed. She's grown one spine and has confessed, and that's it. There's nothing more to be done with her. She isn't relevant to the plot, she isn't actively involved with either of the main, IMPORTANT plotlines, and she isn't strong enough for participating in the next fights. Sakura barely hangs like it is because her main character status and her superior power, but Hinata? Hinata isn't mighty or important enough.

The last chapters are proving it. She's dissappeared again.

[Daissuke]

Did some more lurking, found some more quotes:

SS will happen.

The db2 said Sakura filled his lonely existence-this was not said for other people. You may doubt this is significant, but that is just selective reading. As for Hinata and that stupid fox boy, I could care less, but it's very likely to occur after SS happens; they need to pair the main character up with someone besides having him pine for Sasuke/Sakura, so he may as well end up with the girl who loves him.

*More from earlier guy*

naruhina is my het OTP; I expect in the future if it does occur Hinata will be at Sasuke's level of importance to naruto. I can see his talk with her will prove interesting-he may requite or reject her. We'll see. If he does reject her though I still have my OTP. I doubt he will though, seeing as she's his most likely het partner.

BY FAR.

I'm not forcing you to like narusasu.

But to deny they're each other's most important person is stupid, and unless a female's importance gets to that level their bond will weigh down on all other pairings.

Sasuke said it himself.

'You have become...my most precious person.'

naruto is even more obvious.

All of his other bonds pale in comparison-his obsession is his driving force. Gaara labeled Sasuke his important person in 217, a title that does not belong to anyother. Haku's quote is something you can't argue. AT ALL.

Haku, chapter 29, to naruto: "If someone who acknowledged you from the bottom of their heart appeared, wouldn't they become your most important person?"

naruto, chapter 303, to Sai: "He's (Sasuke) the person that, more than anyone else, accepted(or acknowledged; depends on the trans you're reading) me and my existence."

Obvious link is obvious.

[RyrineaHaruno]

SS will happen.

The db2 said Sakura filled his lonely existence-this was not said for other people. You may doubt this is significant, but that is just selective reading. As for Hinata and that stupid fox boy, I could care less, but it's very likely to occur after SS happens; they need to pair the main character up with someone besides having him pine for Sasuke/Sakura, so he may as well end up with the girl who loves him.

So, why would Kishi make Ss cannon when their hardly any romantic development in part two. I doubt Kishi would change his plans for a character that was add at the last min.

Oh and that goes for Naruto x Hinata too. Hinata was added at the last min by him be cause his publishers thought Naruto need classmates

[Freakazoid]

All of these arguments don't seem to take in any view point of NaruSaku, and really they are all so weak I don't think I'll bother to debate them. Also, "stupid fox boy"? What kind of fan is that, I definatly can't take any argument from him serious after that line.


Can anyone confirm what the db2 says for Sakura and Sasuke? Sounds like a load of crap to me.

Edited by Wolfheart, 20 June 2009 - 03:24 PM.

[RyrineaHaruno]

he db2 says for Sakura and Sasuke?

No, it was a mistranslation that what I heard at least. I doubt it even said that.

Me too these arguments are so weak. When I SAW THE stupid fox boy comment I did . That came from a Sasuke fan no doubt.

[Derock]

I gonna have to say this:

Ignore those comments because he/she just bashed Naruto. And I know none of us are appreciating this.

[Jenskott]

I'm not in the mood for writing rebuttals for that nosense. And that was before knowing he had called Naruto "fox boy", which nullifies any valid his/her claims could have got. Clearly that's the kind of fan only wants what he/she wants seeing, linking unrelated events and giving them extremely biased interpretations so he/she gets what he/she wants.

This persons insists on: Sasuke is the most important person for Naruto. Therefore, NaruSaku is impossible. Therefore, NaruHina will happen.

There's not "therefore" here. There's no logic connecting those sentences. The second phrase isn't the logical conclusion of the first one, and the third sentence isn't the only possible outcome of the second. Sasuke being Naruto's most important person doesn't mean NaruSaku won't happen. And even if it doesn't happen, it doesn't imply NaruHina will happen.

Sasuke is Naruto's friend/rival. Naruto has always wanted he acknowledges his strength. Sakura is the girl Naruto loves. Naruto has always wished she loves her back. It's always been like this since the beginning of the manga. Naruto wanting Sasuke acknowledges his strength means Sakura won't love him back? I don't understand that logic. Sasuke acknowledging Naruto has nothing to do with Sakura loving Naruto or not.

It sounds like if that person pulled that argument out from nowhere.

Its no different an argument from the Katara Aang nonsense that was spewed through most of the series. This inspite of the insessant and constant blushing going on between the two through out their interactions.

Indeed, it has nothing to fall back on.

The "Naruto didn't hug back Sakura, so it means he doesn't like her anymore!" argument reminds me of a Yu Yu Hakusho related discussion I read not long ago. Keiko kissed Yusuke in one of the last chapters. Since Yusuke seemed more shocked than glad, and he didn't drape his arms around her, Yusuke/Botan shippers (whose fabled hints I never saw when I read the series) claim that it means he didn't love her. Thus, they didn't end up together.

That argument ignores that, several chapters before, Yusuke proposed Keiko.

Of course, shipper's twisted logic ignores all the inconvenient facts for the sake of the argument.

I have no patience for shipper's twisted logic.

[Daissuke]

Some narusaku shippers accept Sasuke as most important, some don't. Their ignorance is quite admirable. Honestly, if you were unbias you'd see naruto pretty much saying Sasuke is his most important. The links are there, obviously. Haku's words stand, naruto words correlate. It may be hard to admit but it is true. Like, I was lurking on the lj of narusaku and some guy was asking questions. The 1st reply was:

However much I like the pair, I don't think refuting the last one is possible. Because he does about Sasuke more than Sakura. He cares more about Sasuke than he cares about anything else.

At least this guy admits it, sheesh.

Sasuke is coming back, and along with him Sakura's choice. A female for him is between her and Karin. I am an SS fan and I did squee at the latest chapters but I won't deny she has some feelings for her blond teammate. I also think Naruto does actually love her, but will be torn with Hinata also in the mix. I do however believe Sakura will choose Sasuke as her love feelings are stronger, allowing Naruto to move on with someone else

[Hopestar]

Okay how about this... we ignore SS because they are desperate for any SS moments and are willing to crash & burn to avoid the growing NS development. Let me remind them it was Sasuke who killed it, and it has been 3 years! Obviously Sakura isn't pwning over him hell she doesn't even mention her feelings towards him only Naruto's!

Now all we have left is NH and they proclaim "Hinata confess and now Naruto must feel something" therefore we should worry. HAHAHAHA wrong you morons! Even on NF they are ridiculous with the Sakura bashing. Some of you are have made a point if the amine didn't exist then NH wouldn't be so popular. To debate with them it requires tons of patience because some of them get real crazy and flames can easily spout.

Luckily we have the advantage since the beginning of part 2; with Sasuke gone & Hinata rarely in the scenes there's only NS remaining. Plus there actually mutual agreement, hints developing from both sides, and other characters have even see their potential. Now we continue to sit there and wait for "our" moment of truth.

Of course we have the Sasuke factor, but now he's officially a villain (btw you're welcome to put this sentence on NF) and remember Sakura vow to protect her boys but that was when Sasuke was endanger under Oroichimaru and Naruto has the Akatsuki on his back. Yo SS that was back then as in over 200 chapters ago... Now she'll be force to choose in between her boys while Naruto is force to choose in between his village & Sasuke. Not good combo but the decision is obviously they just choose to ignore the reality. Remember Sasuke brought this onto himself and he doesn't care about he consequence and will do anything to get his even possibly eliminating his ex-teammates. Not good BF material for Sakura & Naruto deserves a better friend.

[Freakazoid]

Everyone keeps brining up the Hinata confession, but the lack of it being a topic in the latest chapters brings me to think it was definatly just a plot device.

[RyrineaHaruno]

Sasuke is coming back, and along with him Sakura's choice. A female for him is between her and Karin. I am an SS fan and I did squee at the latest chapters but I won't deny she has some feelings for her blond teammate. I also think Naruto does actually love her, but will be torn with Hinata also in the mix. I do however believe Sakura will choose Sasuke as her love feelings are stronger, allowing Naruto to move on with someone else

Sasuke joined Akatsuki ( IE: the people who are trying to kill Naruto), so why would he be her choice. I mean Naruto loved Sakura and he desvers her a lot more that Sasuke.

Oh and about the comment made that we don't see Sasuke as a s accept Sasuke as most important person to the both of them is load of crap. I think we see a lot more then other shippers do.

Sasuke isn't coming back. A female for him is Karin. I am an SS fan and I did squee at the latest chapters but I won't deny she has some feelings for her blond teammate. I also think Naruto does love her, I do however believe Sakura will choose Naruto as her love feelings are stronger, allowing Sasuke to move on with someone else

Fixed it

Edited by RyrineaHaruno, 21 June 2009 - 10:51 PM.

[Nate River]

I'm not forcing you to like narusasu.

But to deny they're each other's most important person is stupid, and unless a female's importance gets to that level their bond will weigh down on all other pairings.

Sasuke said it himself.

'You have become...my most precious person.'

naruto is even more obvious.

All of his other bonds pale in comparison-his obsession is his driving force. Gaara labeled Sasuke his important person in 217, a title that does not belong to anyother. Haku's quote is something you can't argue. AT ALL.

Haku, chapter 29, to naruto: "If someone who acknowledged you from the bottom of their heart appeared, wouldn't they become your most important person?"

naruto, chapter 303, to Sai: "He's (Sasuke) the person that, more than anyone else, accepted(or acknowledged; depends on the trans you're reading) me and my existence."

Obvious link is obvious.

They seem to misunderstand Naruto and Sasuke's relationship. One does not have to be "in love," as it is commonly understood, with someone for that person to be their "most important person." I don't see how it would weight down on Sakura. She of all people ought to understand this.

[RyrineaHaruno]

I agree, with you Nate Yoai fans seem to take that anyone with a male friend must be gay. They can't except that Naruto see Sasuke as his bother and not as a lover ( that for Sakura heee)

[Cloud]

They seem to misunderstand Naruto and Sasuke's relationship. One does not have to be "in love," as it is commonly understood, with someone for that person to be their "most important person." I don't see how it would weight down on Sakura. She of all people ought to understand this.

Nate, you're preaching to the Yaoi choir section.

They're so blinded by the slash fanfics, that they can't even decipher a brotherhood from a male/male relationship.

So far, its only making them spew utter crap.

I don't get how "most important person" always has to be a "gay" thing. So, sons and fathers that share a intimate family relationship is suddenly Yaoi too?