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[TrueSacrifice]

Couldn't copy image on my mobile but for those who wanted to see that tweet on NH:

http://miiami16.tumb...anything-biased

 

Honestly the fact that the SJ editor likes NaruHina doesn't bother me. Everyone is entitled to like what they like. The fudged translations is something else though and definitely harms their credibility as reliable translators. Especially when pairing fans use their translations as manga evidence of a given pairing.

 

This is one of the biggest reasons I stay away from any debates that deal with mistranslated lines such as the silly "girl-friend thing." The entirety of the manga is larger than any one line and the story will reveal itself in time.

[Don-kun]

^^Fair enough. It's just sometimes it feels like we supposed to know that it's over but we only got reassured by Kakashi more so than confirming. I have seen this argument and it could be true. I'm not that sold on it, but I could see why it's a valid argument. It does connect to volume and anime, but we shall wait and see.

Am not saying that I disagree with you since I being wondering when will that awful pairing that is only pretty for some fans in fan fic but terrible in the Manga will ever die and die for good.

But my biggest blow will always be 540, in all honesty not in a million years I would ever belive anyone that Sakura will admit to still loving Sasuke since all the evidence leading to that point made Naruto the obvious choice.

keep in mind that the first time I ever visit any forum was back in June 2011 few weeks after the famous 540.

[luffyq1]

@NaruSaku4Life3g

No pairing is dead until it's actually dead in other words one pairing need to be finalize for the other one or ones not have any chance.

I didn't give my opinion because I greatly disagree with many of the opinions here, but I do agree with the fact that if our translation is correct

SS got a big blow since the biggest part of their argument is Sakura's undying love for Sasuke it shows me how easily they switch arguments to keep their faces high.

This is how I see SS.

 

You so much as fart on it it's dead.

[Don-kun]

@TrueSacrifice

 

I don't remember asking you this question before, but when reading your post they always remind of of another user in NF named Benzaiten.

[Gravenimage]

As I said before I see SS as a corpse that's been dead for years. As for NH please don't get me started on that pairing.

[Hanabi]

Couldn't copy image on my mobile but for those who wanted to see that tweet on NH:

http://miiami16.tumb...anything-biased

i hope they get butthurt over minato's talk, hinata's trip and the kiss of life.

 

Main topic of discussion at #SJ Headquarters this morning: Will Naruto and Hinata get married? If so, who's best man? Maid of honor, etc. UB

Edited by Hanabi, 13 May 2014 - 05:05 PM.

[ramenanmitsu]

i hope they get butthurt over minato's talk, hinata's trip and the kiss of life.
 

Main topic of discussion at #SJ Headquarters this morning: Will Naruto and Hinata get married? If so, who's best man? Maid of honor, etc. UB

I don't think SJ have their own opinions in regards to pairings. It's just that since they are a company with the purpose to bring in profits, it's natural for them to do marketing by creating discussions with the most popular pairing. It's all the more understandable since many NH fans have lost hope, and so they try to sustain it as long as possible, by doing interactive discussions with said pairing. Kishi is quite straightforward with the endgame pairing, and so all the more reason for SJ to cover up potential losses occurring from his writing..

1. Fair enough I suppose but again you can't really deny that the thought of being with Naruto hasn't crossed her mind, the whole genuine/fake confession revolved around that so we know she has atleast thought about it I mean she did openly admit naruto being better for her than Sasuke. Not exactly sure where the interview fits in terms of legitimacy but people here seem to be pretty split about it.2. As far as I can tell Kakashi didn't say she fell out of love because of the murder attempts in fact again 540 causes a problem with that because from the looks of it she didn't seem too bothered by it until the thought of Sasuke not being a great guy came back3. I agree that its ridiculous that her change of heart because of the murder attempts didn't entirely start affecting her until 540 but that is the impression its giving me either that or its being misinterpreted and she was originally referring to someone else. Which also kind of begs the question why she wasn't really affected as much when he tried to kill her and the others during the Sai arc.

1. If Naruto would have accepted her confession, I believe they would have been together. But the whole point of her trying to get together with Naruto at that moment was so that he could return to Konoha, and stay away from the danger that is Sasuke. I agree with you that she did consider getting together with Naruto but the reasons are different as I stated above.

Kishi's interview makes me go meh... Where is that Sakura development he promised? Add to the fact that we don't really have a reliable source since the interview script are ear to ear between fans, and not actually written in an official magazine or official website.

2. Oh no, I didn't say she fell out of love BECAUSE of the murder attempts. There are probably multiple reasons or no reasons behind her change of heart that we will never know.

My point was, Kakashi's comment is the most reliable one when considering chapter 540, because the timeframe is the same. It makes sense to think that her feelings have already changed gradually until the time of Kakashi's comment. In this case, Kakashi's comments are credible because it's only two days after chapter 540.

3. It did affect her. It's just that Kishi decided to show the panels in chapter 540, which he should have shown it earlier.

Edited by ramenanmitsu, 13 May 2014 - 05:21 PM.

[Don-kun]

I borrow thin image from someone in NF just to show how I see SS as the Manga goes on.

And the ones who support it well that is another story.

[TrueSacrifice]

@TrueSacrifice

 

I don't remember asking you this question before, but when reading your post they always remind of of another user in NF named Benzaiten.

 

Hopefully in a good way! 

 

But no I'm not that user, and I don't think I've ever read any of their posts. I tend to stay away from any Naruto forums other than this one. Too much focus on technical details such as power levels and jutsus and stuff I'm not that interested in and the pairing sections are generally pretty bad.

[Nate River]

2. Oh no, I didn't say she fell out of love BECAUSE of the murder attempts. There are probably multiple reasons or no reasons behind her change of heart that we will never know.

My point was, Kakashi's comment is the most reliable one when considering chapter 540, because the timeframe is the same. It makes sense to think that her feelings have already changed gradually until the time of Kakashi's comment. In this case, Kakashi's comments are credible because it's only two days after chapter 540.

I think it's well established that Murder is not a deal breaker in any relationship in Naruto. In fact, if they all had Hidan powers they'd probably just put themselves back together and again profess their love/friendship/brother bond as the case may be.

"You killed me? Ah, no big deal, I didn't want to be alive anymore anyway."

I'm more inclined to believe Kakashi because it's never been Kishimoto's MO to do something like this and have them be wrong. It's internal contemplation so it's not like he'll be proven wrong to someone (unless Kishimoto is setting this up to show what a poor judge of character he is) I think it's purpose is simple to tell the reader where everyone is which is bolstered by the fact that a scene that is written through him does zippo to develop him. He's just the go-between for the message.

As to 540, I think its entirely consistent with what Kakashi said no matter what translation you are talking about. 540 is vague as hell if left standing alone. This is the context that solidifies 540's meaning and it's vagueness means it can be easily bent either way.

[Hanabi]

I don't think SJ have their own opinions in regards to pairings. It's just that since they are a company with the purpose to bring in profits, it's natural for them to do marketing by creating discussions with the most popular pairing. It's all the more understandable since many NH fans have lost hope, and so they try to sustain it as long as possible, by doing interactive discussions with said pairing. Kishi is quite straightforward with the endgame pairing, and so all the more reason for SJ to cover up potential losses occurring from his writing..

I don't think so. the date is 12 Jan 2013. 

Edited by Hanabi, 13 May 2014 - 05:30 PM.

[ramenanmitsu]

I think it's well established that Murder is not a deal breaker in any relationship in Naruto. In fact, if they all had Hidan powers they'd probably just put themselves back together and again profess their love/friendship/brother bond as the case may be."You killed me? Ah, no big deal, I didn't want to be alive anymore anyway."I'm more inclined to believe Kakashi because it's never been Kishimoto's MO to do something like this and have them be wrong. It's internal contemplation so it's not like he'll be proven wrong to someone (unless Kishimoto is setting this up to show what a poor judge of character he is) I think it's purpose is simple to tell the reader where everyone is which is bolstered by the fact that a scene that is written through him does zippo to develop him. He's just the go-between for the message.As to 540, I think its entirely consistent with what Kakashi said no matter what translation you are talking about. 540 is vague as hell if left standing alone. This is the context that solidifies 540's meaning and it's vagueness means it can be easily bent either way.

Lol, you're so right. And that really bugs me especially:

Minato stopping Kakashi from killing Obito.
I do feel sorry for Obito that his love interest died, but what he did afterwards were so evil and cruel, he just doesn't deserve any sympathy. He killed his former Sensei(who really cared for him) and his wife just for the sake of Kyuubi, and he even planted a bomb on a newborn baby. What makes him more cruel is that he attacked Kushina when she was weak and after childbirth because it was easiest to take Kyuubi out. That's purely cold hard calculation with no sense of morality. How come Minato is okay with this? And what about Kakashi's resolve? That guy got his best friend killed(or so he thought) from saving him, was forced to kill his only teammate with his own hands, had his father commit suicide, had his sensei killed by the very best friend he had, and now that best friend despises him and blames him for Rin's death. The kittening nerve! Kakashi can easily blame Obito, for his sensei's death as well. And now, Obito has to be forgiven for doing whatever he wants and destroying people's lives while there are people like Kakashi who had gone through a lot more but didn't do any of those things!?

I don't think so. the date is 12 Jan 2013.

Well, I still think they are just doing it for the sake of social media marketing not for their own biased opinions.

Edited by ramenanmitsu, 13 May 2014 - 05:56 PM.

[Don-kun]

 

Hopefully in a good way! 

 

But no I'm not that user, and I don't think I've ever read any of their posts. I tend to stay away from any Naruto forums other than this one. Too much focus on technical details such as power levels and jutsus and stuff I'm not that interested in and the pairing sections are generally pretty bad.

There are people who's opinion I consider greatly because despite being Pro NS they are pretty honest with their views when things don't go the way they were hoping, in other words I take people very seriously when they can admit their mistake and she is one of then.

Edited by Don-kun, 13 May 2014 - 06:28 PM.

[arian_rad]

New argument that the word that 'we' indicated as past tense is actually past principle. Meaning that kakashi is referring to the "old sasuke" that sakura used to love. They are saying the whole thing is showing how Sakura still had hope that the old Sasuke still exists and she wants that Sasuke that she loved. It really makes no sense given the context but is it possible??

[TouKen4Life3g]

I would say that at times, they surprised me more with their views and you would expect them differently. For example, when 615 happened, in here, it was the end of the world. In there, many new users show up and want to join because if that chapter and it's not like "because I want to fight back." They see it differently. Now, viz translations actually made them laugh that they killed SS more than MP.

Case in point, all of us has different views. In my first reading, I was convinced that SS is gone. If I read viz first, I'll be like "Hm..."

[TouKen4Life3g]

New argument that the word that 'we' indicated as past tense is actually past principle. Meaning that kakashi is referring to the "old sasuke" that sakura used to love. They are saying the whole thing is showing how Sakura still had hope that the old Sasuke still exists and she wants that Sasuke that she loved. It really makes no sense given the context but is it possible??

That's like bad English if we go by that.

You know what, I'm going to see that South Park episode again. This is too much for me to handle.

[narusaku256]

Believe it or not, Kakashi is one of the characters who have had one of the worst life one can ever have! He lost everyone whom he cared for. People say he failed, but no! Sasuke refused to inculcate Kakashi's philosophies and instead chose revenge and power instead.

[arian_rad]

That's like bad English if we go by that.

You know what, I'm going to see that South Park episode again. This is too much for me to handle.

Watch the poop episode. Where they have a contest to see who takes the biggest dump. Lmao

[TouKen4Life3g]

Believe it or not, Kakashi is one of the characters who have had one of the worst life one can ever have! He lost everyone whom he cared for. People say he failed, but no! Sasuke refused to inculcate Kakashi's philosophies and instead chose revenge and power instead.

Yeah, that's why they can relate, but Sasuke being Sasuke. That's why they need Team 7 to be alive again.

[TouKen4Life3g]

Watch the poop episode. Where they have a contest to see who takes the biggest dump. Lmao

Lol I was just thinking of that episode with the trapper keeper because this whole war is what reminded me now.