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#15141 Akashi

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Posted 03 April 2013 - 05:29 PM

QUOTE (T XD @ Apr 3 2013, 08:20 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
You know, I'd love that so much but I can't see it happening. If anything, Sasuke will be with his other friends wandering or settled in some place.

The most probable for Sasuke in the end is that either he dies ( which I really don't want to ) or be a wanderer with his friends.

Who knows what that Kishimoto's plotting.. Knowing him, anything could happen.
If Sasuke lives, he should pay the price for all the things he did in the past. Helping to protect the peace (following his brother's steps) is a good option.

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Posted 03 April 2013 - 05:32 PM

QUOTE (Tauriel @ Apr 3 2013, 12:29 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Who knows what that Kishimoto's plotting.. Knowing him, anything could happen.
If Sasuke lives, he should pay the price for all the things he did in the past. Helping to protect the peace (following his brother's steps) is a good option.

I feel like his eyes will be taken, but that's too much. Maybe. I feel like there will be consequences and I think not able to go back is one. Kishi does make people who kills or do the wrong deed get their punishment in some sort of way.

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Posted 03 April 2013 - 05:36 PM

QUOTE (NaruSaku4Life3g @ Apr 3 2013, 08:27 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Or perhaps create a hidden village on his own. Again, the keyword is hidden. Orochimaru did one in a way, so you never know. I always feel like they may do. I remember Suigetsu made the prisoners to spread the word that Sasuke's the savior. I wonder why.

Agree. A hidden village is possible, but what makes me doubt about it is that after all he has done, will he be able to make a village that he wants to protect especially after he wanted to destroy his own village ?

If he does, I 'll be happy for him for wanting to achieve something like this. But, if not, I won't be surprised.

QUOTE (Tauriel @ Apr 3 2013, 08:29 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Who knows what that Kishimoto's plotting.. Knowing him, anything could happen.
If Sasuke lives, he should pay the price for all the things he did in the past. Helping to protect the peace (following his brother's steps) is a good option.

Yeah, but I believe that being a wanderer and not back in the village will be a lesson for him as long as he lives and remembers.

Edited by T XD, 03 April 2013 - 05:38 PM.


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Posted 03 April 2013 - 05:38 PM

QUOTE (NaruSaku4Life3g @ Apr 3 2013, 06:32 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I feel like his eyes will be taken, but that's too much. Maybe. I feel like there will be consequences and I think not able to go back is one. Kishi does make people who kills or do the wrong deed get their punishment in some sort of way.


That would probably be a good punishment. To take avay the sharingan. Maybe give him some regular eyes.

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Posted 03 April 2013 - 05:43 PM

QUOTE (StrikerTheNoble @ Apr 3 2013, 08:38 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
That would probably be a good punishment. To take avay the sharingan. Maybe give him some regular eyes.

But how giving him regular eyes ? The only idea that I can think of is that if something happens and all of the power in his eyes are gone. But, giving him regular eyes won't be that much of punishment. Plus, it can make him rid of them from their effects that can be done to the person.

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Posted 03 April 2013 - 05:43 PM

QUOTE (T XD @ Apr 3 2013, 08:36 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Yeah, but I believe that being a wanderer and not back in the village will be a lesson for him as long as he lives and remembers.

Like I said anything could happen. We might be wrong, you and I.

I wasn't expecting Hashirama to stab Madara in the back, for example.. I bet no one was. People used to say that Kishi is predictable and all, but what do we see now? Lots of plot twists and even more trolling.

Anyway, I just hope that Sasuke won't die.
QUOTE (T XD @ Apr 3 2013, 08:43 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
But how giving him regular eyes ? The only idea that I can think of is that if something happens and all of the power in his eyes are gone. But, giving him regular eyes won't be that much of punishment. Plus, it can make him rid of them from their effects that can be done to the person.

That would be way too cruel. sweatdrop.gif

Edited by Tauriel, 03 April 2013 - 05:45 PM.


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Posted 03 April 2013 - 05:52 PM

QUOTE (Tauriel @ Apr 3 2013, 02:43 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Like I said anything could happen. We might be wrong, you and I.

I wasn't expecting Hashirama to stab Madara in the back, for example.. I bet no one was. People used to say that Kishi is predictable and all, but what do we see now? Lots of plot twists and even more trolling.

Anyway, I just hope that Sasuke won't die.

That would be way too cruel. sweatdrop.gif

I could not see Sasuke on the village because of the Team Taka and what will happen about the Taka Team?
And Sai?
this is the reason why i dont see Sasuke coming back, the old team 7 ways were gone, Naruto will be hokage and he wont be able to go on a team anymore, neither Sakura who will obviously be Naruto's assistant since he's too dumb.
Sasuke will stick with the team Taka unless if all of them die.

Now Hashirama back stabbing Madara i could see it perfectly but what i could not see if he was able to kill Madara, backstabbing is not a big deal.
I dont see the last chapter as an asspull and trolling i just did not understand why Hashirama take up the blame when it was Madara plotting against the Ninja world with his stupid dream, it was him who manipuled wars and also was indirectly responsible for good part of all the evil things on the manga.
Hashirama despicted the village as evil and it's the reason why it will only reassure Sasuke's will to destroy the village.

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Posted 03 April 2013 - 06:01 PM

Naruto's not dumb. He has a lot of wise friends who could guide him: Kakashi, Yamato.. etc.
Sakura will most definitely take Tsunade's place as the head med in the hospital.
Sai may become the head of the ANBU.

Sasuke, Karin, Suigetsu and Juugo are unlikely to stay in Konoha..

I guess a lot of things about how shinobi world works and stuff will change after the war is over.

Edited by Tauriel, 03 April 2013 - 06:01 PM.


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Posted 03 April 2013 - 06:03 PM

QUOTE (Tauriel @ Apr 3 2013, 03:01 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Naruto's not dumb. He has a lot of wise friends who could guide him: Kakashi, Yamato.. etc.
Sakura will most definitely take Tsunade's place as the head med in the hospital.
Sai may become the head of the ANBU.

Sasuke, Karin, Suigetsu and Juugo are unlikely to stay in Konoha..

I guess a lot of things about how shinobi world works and stuff will change after the war is over.

We saw this on the chuunin exam could not even answer one question.
Naruto is smart when in battle but sucks with administrative skills and i dont think Shikamaru will be his assistant because he is going to deal with Asuma's kid, and will be a teacher.
Kakashi also is not the type of one that does administrative stuff, the only one who has experience is Sakura, i cant see Kakashi doing this job and Yamato is an Anbu.

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Posted 03 April 2013 - 06:08 PM

QUOTE (Tauriel @ Apr 3 2013, 12:43 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Like I said anything could happen. We might be wrong, you and I.

I wasn't expecting Hashirama to stab Madara in the back, for example.. I bet no one was. People used to say that Kishi is predictable and all, but what do we see now? Lots of plot twists and even more trolling.

Anyway, I just hope that Sasuke won't die.

That would be way too cruel. sweatdrop.gif

To be honest, I didn't think it was unpredictable, rather curious which path is it: spare or kill. Turns out he did kill him, well you know. Anyway, this does make people think will Naruto end up doing this. Not the kill but how it all leads to it. It's between the village or your best friend. That's where Naruto's final challenge will be. That's why Sasuke will go against the world once more and have Naruto to fight him with everything he got.

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Posted 03 April 2013 - 06:10 PM

QUOTE (Dαrkrєrsŧ @ Apr 3 2013, 09:03 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
We saw this on the chuunin exam could not even answer one question.
Naruto is smart when in battle but sucks with administrative skills and i dont think Shikamaru will be his assistant because he is going to deal with Asuma's kid, and will be a teacher.
Kakashi also is not the type of one that does administrative stuff, the only one who has experience is Sakura, i cant see Kakashi doing this job and Yamato is an Anbu.

Well looking at Hashirama as Kishi portrayed him in the last few chapters you can tell that he wasn't the brightest shinobi too. But that didn't stop him from creating the first hidden village of shinobi & becoming the first kage in history...

@NaruSaku4Life3g The fight will definitely take place.. I'm a bit worried about "we will both die" part though.. But Naruto's death doesn't make any sense..

Edited by Tauriel, 03 April 2013 - 06:15 PM.


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Posted 03 April 2013 - 06:13 PM

QUOTE (Tauriel @ Apr 3 2013, 03:10 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Well looking at Hashirama as Kishi portrayed him in the last few chapters you can tell that he wasn't the brightest shinobi too. But that didn't stop him from creating the first hidden village of shinobi & becoming the first kage in history...

well but he didnt despicted him like Naruto, he wasnt untalented and moreover didnt show that he was dumb only that he was like Naruto when dealing with Sasuke.

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Posted 03 April 2013 - 06:16 PM

QUOTE (NaruSaku4Life3g @ Apr 3 2013, 04:54 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
This is how I see it:

Hashirama gave many chances to Madara from the past till now (the end of VotE). When he finally pulls the right trigger (renegade), he pretty much changed his character's direction. Because of that, he failed to be all pure with Madara. Friendship completely destroyed. That said Naruto will go all paragon to the very end. I think Sasuke may compare his life with Madara when Sasuke is on his knee and bout to die like Madara's fate, which he will be wrong because Naruto is not like that. Remember, Naruto is the guy who hates the current Ninja system. So, pretty much we will return to the old development from first arc. We'll see how Kishi handles it. Madara left before the VotE, so perhaps Sasuke will continue to be outsider after all. Again, we'll see.

Agreed. Naruto has to affect Sasuke somehow in their final fight because then it would seem like all this I'm going to find a way to end all the violence and Naruto's promise of a lifetime to Sakura will seem like nothing. Was that a mass effect reference with the trigger comment. Mass Effect= Easily one of the best game series ever. I was pissed when in Mass effect 3 Miranda couldn't be a squadmate. Back to Naruto, the other thing is until Kishi develops Sakura further, we know that she still cares for Sasuke and if Naruto kills him before she gets over Sasuke, there could be problems.

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Posted 03 April 2013 - 06:19 PM

QUOTE (Dαrkrєrsŧ @ Apr 3 2013, 09:13 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
well but he didnt despicted him like Naruto, he wasnt untalented and moreover didnt show that he was dumb only that he was like Naruto when dealing with Sasuke.

I don't think that dumb and untalented person would master jutsu like rasengan, create rasenshuriken, etc.

A lot of moments in the manga prove that Naruto's not stupid: remember when at the beginning of part 2, when he found out Kakashi's weak point when even Sakura couldn't figure it out?

Edited by Tauriel, 03 April 2013 - 06:19 PM.


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Posted 03 April 2013 - 06:19 PM

QUOTE (Shadow1275 @ Apr 3 2013, 03:16 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Agreed. Naruto has to affect Sasuke somehow in their final fight because then it would seem like all this I'm going to find a way to end all the violence and Naruto's promise of a lifetime to Sakura will seem like nothing. Was that a mass effect reference with the trigger comment. Mass Effect= Easily one of the best game series ever. I was pissed when in Mass effect 3 Miranda couldn't be a squadmate. Back to Naruto, the other thing is until Kishi develops Sakura further, we know that she still cares for Sasuke and if Naruto kills him before she gets over Sasuke, there could be problems.

Like what?
If she choose Naruto over Sasuke.

The problems that i can see is from Naruto failing to fulfill the only thing that the girl he loves asked to him, then thinking that he's unworthy of her and also not accepting the hokage's position and even going into an exile just because of the emo.

@Tauriel it was part of the battle unfortunatly Naruto's intelligence only comes up when he's fighting, there are even moment that Sakura called him dumb just because he said reading books was a waste of time.

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Posted 03 April 2013 - 06:21 PM

QUOTE (Dαrkrєrsŧ @ Apr 3 2013, 09:19 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Like what?
If she choose Naruto over Sasuke.

The problems that i can see is from Naruto failing to fulfill the only thing that the girl he loves asked to him, then thinking that he's unworthy of her and also not accepting the hokage's position and even going into an exile just because of the emo.

@Tauriel it was part of the battle unfortunatly Naruto's intelligence only comes up when he's fighting, there are even moment that Sakura called him dumb just because he said reading books was a waste of time.

SS and NH fans would say that NS happened only because Sasuke died. dry.gif
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@Tauriel it was part of the battle unfortunatly Naruto's intelligence only comes up when he's fighting, there are even moment that Sakura called him dumb just because he said reading books was a waste of time.

Well how about the moment when he helped Shikamaru to decipher the note Jiraya left him?

Edited by Tauriel, 03 April 2013 - 06:24 PM.


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Posted 03 April 2013 - 06:29 PM

QUOTE (Tauriel @ Apr 3 2013, 03:21 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
SS and NH fans would say that NS happened only because Sasuke died. dry.gif

They will always will come with an excuse i dont care let their butthurt flow though.



QUOTE (Tauriel @ Apr 3 2013, 03:21 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Well how about the moment when he helped Shikamaru to decipher the note Jiraya left him?

He only said about Jiraiya's letter and he even stated that Jiraiya forced him to read his works which obviously had 0 cultural gain.

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Posted 03 April 2013 - 06:30 PM

QUOTE (Dαrkrєrsŧ @ Apr 3 2013, 06:19 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Like what?
If she choose Naruto over Sasuke.

The problems that i can see is from Naruto failing to fulfill the only thing that the girl he loves asked to him, then thinking that he's unworthy of her and also not accepting the hokage's position and even going into an exile just because of the emo.

However, because Kishi has no idea how romance works, he still has Sakura caring for Sasuke. The evidence does point to her starting to get over these feelings, however if Kishi keeps ignoring Sakura than she will still have feelings for Sasuke when Naruto fights him. If Naruto kills him, Naruto most likely will not be able to tell her how he feels, but Sakura will feel betrayed because of Naruto always asserting that he will bring Sasuke back alive. Or at least turn him good. In my opinion though, It looks like Kishi is pushing more towards Sakura getting over Sasuke than her actually having feelings for him. It has always been one-sided and the only team 7 member Sasuke actually pays attention to is Naruto, because in their VotE fight he prevented Sasuke from severing their bond.

The reason why Hashirama feels as if he betrayed Madara is because of the Hokage deal. Hashirama promised Madara that he would become Hokage. However, later on Tobirama convinced Hashirama to agree to change that decision by letting the people vote. The problem is everyone knew that if it came to a vote Hashirama would win. That was the betrayal. The reason Hashirama killed Madara was to protect the dream they both had. That is why it is unlikely that Sasuke will change his mind and become good because from his perspective, that betrayal led to the downfall of the Uchiha.

Edited by Shadow1275, 03 April 2013 - 06:32 PM.

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Posted 03 April 2013 - 06:31 PM

I'm leaning more towards a theory that Naruto won't be a Hokage or at least not one as his predecessors. Mainly because he is pushing for peace and the Hokage is an individual whose sole purpose is to protect the village at all costs. But let's say my previous statement will become obsolete then the hokage will be just a leader with administrative responsibilities. I always saw Naruto surpassing this ones by abusing clones so he can do several things at once and save time.

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Posted 03 April 2013 - 06:34 PM

QUOTE (Shadow1275 @ Apr 3 2013, 03:30 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
However, because Kishi has no idea how romance works, he still has Sakura caring for Sasuke. The evidence does point to her starting to get over these feelings, however if Kishi keeps ignoring Sakura than she will still have feelings for Sasuke when Naruto fights him. If Naruto kills him, Naruto most likely will not be able to tell her how he feels, but Sakura will feel betrayed because of Naruto always asserting that he will bring Sasuke back alive. Or at least turn him good. In my opinion though, It looks like Kishi is pushing more towards Sakura getting over Sasuke than her actually having feelings for him. It has always been one-sided and the only team 7 member Sasuke actually pays attention to is Naruto, because in their VotE fight he prevented Sasuke from severing their bond.

The reason why Hashirama feels as if he betrayed Madara is because of the Hokage deal. Hashirama promised Madara that he would become Hokage. However, later on Tobirama convinced Hashirama to agree to change that decision by letting the people vote. The problem is everyone knew that if it came to a vote Hashirama would win. That was the betrayal. The reason Hashirama killed Madara was to protect the dream they both had. That is why it is unlikely that Sasuke will change his mind and become good because from his perspective, that betrayal led to the downfall of the Uchiha.

But srsly how can she feels betrayed if the promise does not exists anymore, the promise is only from Naruto's side he's free but the burden is with him because she asked it, does not matter if he fulfills it or not for Sakura, nothing would change she made that decision on the confession, and also why she would feel betrayed? only if she's selfish which i strongly belive she wont because of a reminder she was going to break the promise for Naruto's sake, and ended up breaking it, even Naruto does not care for it anymore but it's there struck with him, as long as Naruto loves Sakura this will be struck with him.

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