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[Nintendist]

Man, today is about cancellation. It's disheartening....

what is going to be cancelled is not narusaku is, please no, please don't say yes 

[Gojira]

666 Satan got cancelled I doubt Naruto will.

 

Atleast I think that's what were talking about

Edited by Pepsi, 03 March 2014 - 04:33 AM.

[Raito]

I really want Sakura to start seeing Naruto in a new light after this, if not now i don't see it happening since Naruto is almost about to end soon. I really hope her lingering feelings for Sasuke Die out as soon as possible, he doesn't really care about her, even once team seven reunited, he thought of saving Naruto, and Jugo. And the fact that Sasuke wants to erase his past l believe while looking at team seven photo and he focuses on Naruto meaning he wants to kill him in the future l'm guessing. If a fight happens between them l hope she ultimately chooses Naruto side and helps him in every way, even killing Sasuke. She is not a kid anymore she needs to be ready to kill Sasuke if he atttacks her village.

[Gojira]

I said this in another forums so i'll go ahead and repeat it here.

 

I just have this nagging feeling that its gonna go something like 

 

Naruto wakes up

 

Obito: "sweet it worked"

 

Sakura: "oh thankgoodness"

 

Naruto: "whats going on"

 

Sakura: "Madara is super OP now we have to hurry back out there they need our help"

 

Thats my initial worry that despite building this up (intentionally or not) Kishi will just end up rushing through it to get back to the serious matter at hand even though this is pretty much a golden opportunity to get this thing over with (i mean after building it up for several years and all)

[Corza575]

Hi everyone i'm new to this site but i'm a huge fan of this ship and i would love to share my opinion on why i believe this ship is canon.

 

First of all sakura's lingering feeling's for sasuke are rooted in the past, all evidence that points to her feelings are connected to the time they shared in team seven however the recent chapter's show that no matter how much they wish for it team seven can never be the same.

 

team seven for reunited briefly in the war but nobody was convinced that sasuke's intentions were good not even sakura did, and the reason for that is the fake smile i know many sasusaku fans will say that she does trust him due to her words sounding sincere, but this is not the case and this is why i think so:

 

sai throughout the series has brought up a few subtle hints about narusaku with his books such as the honorific's scene and how people smile very brightly when talking about or to someone they love and sakura's fake smile make's me believe she may be letting go of her feelings for sasuke because she may be finally realising that the past is is the past and sasuke will never be the same, and there is also the honorific's comment even now sakura call's sasuke 'sasuke kun' which sai pointed out that one will always be out of your romantic reach should you keep this honorific, something she continues to do with sasuke but not with naruto.

 

words can sound sincere but that doesnt mean they are, lies are determined my change's in body language which is what a fake smile is, so sakura may very well be finally giving up on sasuke and we will see narusaku come full circle, that was my opinion on sasusaku's sinking ship now here's why i belive narusaku is strongly afloat.

 

the buildup of this ship is undeniable, its present throughout parts i and ii from very subtle hints to almost outright saying it, here are a few example's

 

The CPR scene: ok ok i know that ALOT of sasusaku and naruhina fans will say that it is just cpr and that is what it appears to be but the reasons surrounding it and a couple of other things make it seem like more to me, sakura in the past has treated CPR as a genuine kiss, she has tried the fake drowning trick a couple of time's to get a kiss out of sasuke which show that she does in fact consider the act a kiss and everytime she was foiled by naruto, however she is now a fully qualified medical nin and cpr shouldnt be such a big deal right? well i believe that she is still a typical japanese girl and that she has never had to actually perform this on a patient because none of them have ever been so utterly close to death and the fact that she was willing to do this for naruto, giving her sacred first kiss to naruto to save his life just show's how far she has come and that she is willing to risk her life and pride just so he can live, and i also think that in the following chapters she will reprimand him for making her give him her first kiss. :)

 

The past and the present: Sakura is a dead set ringer for naruto's mother kushina who has the same temper. mannerism's and even initial view's of there significant other's, the resemblance is uncanny and with road to ninja i believe that this was intentional,

all the prominent teams be it the sannin's or team minato and sadly team seven, they all have the same pattern the hero loves the girl but she loves someone else then the hero dies before the girl can come to love him, tsunade and rin were implied to potentially reciprocate jiraiya and obitos feeling's eventually however the latters supposed death and the former's definite one shattered any chances of that, naruto is supposed to represent the breaking of this cycle which mean's getting the girl, becoming hokage and saving the ninja world.

 

sakura's and naruto's feelings: no matter how you look at it, these two are soulmates however at the moment you could call them more than friends but less than lover's this is just a challenge naruto has to face, both have been shown to not understand the feelings of other's so long as they are directed at them such as naruto's observant nature to the romantic feelings one character has for another when they are directed at him though he has absolutely no idea unless he is told which is the same for sakura she had no idea of naruto's feeling until sai of all people told her about them, which means there will have to be an honest and sincere show of affection between the two to get the message across and i bet that kishi will bring us just that.

it has also been stated in the third databook that sakura does have feelings for naruto she just doesnt realise that she has them which is why i believe that the nine tails extraction was meant to be used as a catalyst to show not only obitos redemption of his character but sakuras realization that naruto is the most important person in her life.

 

phew...... thanks for reading guys because this ship is just too damn beautiful to give up on and i just wanted to share that with everyone :)

Edited by Corza575, 03 March 2014 - 06:24 AM.

[xxRomanceGirlxx]

Sort of off-topic,  but what exactly does the majority of us think about Naruto's stance on his relationship with Sakura? I always believed that Naruto still firmly believes his love for Sakura is completely one-sided and that she's still in love with Sasuke, but after his behavior in #631 I've been questioning just how accurate that interpretation is.

 

Naruto saying Sakura's "more or less" his girlfriend isn't something I'd usually think too much on. He's called Sakura his girlfriend before back in Part 1 and it was a blatant lie. Comedy moment, laugh, move on. But #631 is just .... different. Naruto wasn't blushing or laughing when he called Sakura is girlfriend like he usually goes. His expression doesn't look joking at all, something you'd sort of expect based on his past behavior. Even his wording is weird: he never said Sakura's "more or less" his girlfriend. Was he just surprised Minato asked that? I know it's such a small scene, but it just really gets me sometimes.

 

I still have trouble believing Naruto can change his mindset that fast. During the time of the conversation, he made it perfectly clear he didn't doubt at all she didn't love him. So could he really go from that to #631? I still don't think he believes she loves him ... but maybe he might acknowledge their relationship is actually complicated (which is seriously a leap for someone as dense as him).

 

What do you guys think?

Edited by xxRomanceGirlxx, 03 March 2014 - 07:27 AM.

[Transformers03]

Sort of off-topic,  but what exactly does the majority of us think about Naruto's stance on his relationship with Sakura? I always believed that Naruto still firmly believes his love for Sakura is completely one-sided and that she's still in love with Sasuke, but after his behavior in #631 I've been questioning just how accurate that interpretation is.

 

Naruto saying Sakura's "more or less" his girlfriend isn't something I'd usually think too much on. He's called Sakura his girlfriend before back in Part 1 and it was a blatant lie. Comedy moment, laugh, move on. But #631 is just .... different. Naruto wasn't blushing or laughing when he called Sakura is girlfriend like he usually goes. His expression doesn't look joking at all, something you'd sort of expect based on his past behavior. Even his wording is weird: he never said Sakura's "more or less" his girlfriend. Was he just surprised Minato asked that? I know it's such a small scene, but it just really gets me sometimes.

 

I still have trouble believing Naruto can change his mindset that fast. During the time of the conversation, he made it perfectly clear he didn't doubt at all she didn't love him. So could he really go from that to #631? I still don't think he believes she loves him ... but maybe he might acknowledge their relationship is actually complicated (which is seriously a leap for someone as dense as him).

 

What do you guys think?

 

I think it was just pointless scene, that really served only two purposes. One of the purposes is to have a comedic scene in an overall serious situation, simply to lighten the mood. The other purpose was to establish that Sakura (just like many of us have already theorized beforehand) is similar to Kushina. Now why Kishi would want to point out a connection between Sakura and Kushina, especially considering it matches up with Kushina's request to Naruto to find a girl just like her, is up to readers to deduce...

[TouKen4Life3g]

what is going to be cancelled is not narusaku is, please no, please don't say yes 

It won't, don't worry.

 

666 Satan got cancelled I doubt Naruto will.

 

Atleast I think that's what were talking about

Yeah, it just coincidence that I was talking about cancellation with others and I happened to see this portion. It's coincidence.

[HauntedCake]

We really need SS to have a moment so akura can reveal her feelings whichever way they go. So we aint gonna get anything good until Madara is out of the picture and even then we could be trolled with Sakura still "loving" sasuke... who knows

[Inferno180]

At this point, just leaving anything like NS and NH open ended is really an understatement considering he put in the kushina foreshadow and then attributed it to sakura as recently as 631.

 

Really the pairing wars did get jumbled around a lot due to one part kishi's writing, another part fandom overload.

 

On kishi's end, it was a problem for him when it came to his female characters, excluding tsunade, he had trouble getting sakura "off the ground" to become a heroine, I mean he didn't design her with any real powers being what passes for normal in the naruto universe, she was in the same league as Iruka and most others, no real special heritage talents. However she became stronger due to Tsunade, essentially Tsunade was the pinnicle or threshold Sakura had to be like. Though there were other ordinary people like Jiraya and Minato, they are the end results of those who became very powerful as well. Its in the long run though, any shortcomings Kishi put on Sakura, the rest of the female cast followed, I mean Ino wasn't nessessarly one who could have her own one on one fight situations with an actual dangerous enemy like anyone from the akasuti, she was a telepath and more of an intel ninja, not a fighter. Tenten was just well, not used, she could use weapons but its a funny irony. Hinata had powers, but wasn't used as much in favor of neji, people liked neji more due to his intial dual weights, his fathers sacifice and being part of the lesser branch made people sympathize with him more, along with the fact neji had powers he shouldn't have been able to get by his clans laws. Hinata did have the capability to fight but kishi didn't use her. Sakura at least got her fight with sasori and this is really all kishi needed to do more of, more fights like this with his female characters. The reason many still like the sasori fight out of many is because it was a fight in which its not only how sakura grew or how much people loved sasori, its a fight that had basically most of what a good shouen fight at the end of an arc needed, both good guys and bad guys use everything in their arsenal to take each other, sasori had all his powers, sakura (not counting assisstance form chiyo) used not only her powers but also her mind to overcome him, even using and being able to time the effects of her own antidote to take on sasori which was one reason i like the series, each villian fight had some mechanic the heroes needed to get around, almost like boss battles, I mean it seems silly but its much better to see how a hero thinks rather than just bash through things like superman. But in anycase, this weakness of kishi's involving female characters, its just he one part bypassed using sakura and others when he should have or could have. I mean if he was serious about developing hinata, he would have done more before the 615 events, even during the war if he was serious about NH going canon and 469 having been the end of NS, he could have made it this way but he didn't. Kishi has his missed opprtunities with sakura and giving her action, but the scale of missing opportunities for development is much larger on Hinata's end. I mean where Sakura still has her problems storywise, Hinata's only real story problem was back in the chunin exams and its long since been solved. This is why to this day, even I feel the whole love confession in pain maybe should have been saved until later, I mean by the manga, we still didn't know much about hinata, the chunin exams introduced her and the resolution in fighting neji was her sendoff for a potential future, but she didn't have any important role in part 1 beyond that. We saw her again early in part 2 but that was just for a short reintroduction, sure she tagged along with team 7 and team 8 in the itachi pursuit arc, but that arc didn't really involve development for anyone save sasuke, taka, itachi and naruto. Then the pain event occurs, but thats the deal, in part 1 her problem was solved, she had a sendoff for a potential developed future but it didnt come. Then 615 comes in later and its more neji if anything, the manga even made this clear, 615 is nejis death over NH, neji has gone around in naruto's head more than even hinata ever has, so if naruto is thinking about neji more, then does this mean NN is more possible than NH? The aspect of it all is that Hinata hasn't really had a colateral problem with other characters that actually presented a conflict past the chunin exams, if she actually had a colateral problem that was actually intregal to the plot like before during the time of the chunin exams then yeah she would have more priority but for other characters like Sakura, Tsunade, Shikamaru, Gaara, etc who have problems like the promise, jiraya's death, asuma's death, and being a former jinchurki who corrleated more with naruto's own events then yeah she would have more priority but she doesnt. Really its by this if kishi was to make the endgame open ended, then Hinata should have just either died or not even confessed in the pain arc, its not like events such as kushinas foreshadow, 631, and sakuras reaction to narutos state would even matter if its just going to be friendship.

 

This really goes in line with the second part, the fandom overassumption and mispreception, I mean Kishi never even meaned for Hinata to become as popular as she was, I mean there are many characters in many media that just become so much more popular than they should. I mean good example in recent years, Dyarl Dixon from walking dead, he is a crossbow wielding hunter tracker well prepped for the disaster of the zombie outbreak. Yet he was just an original character played by norman reedus and his overall life expectancy in the seires was never known given his character has no comic counterpart or even basis. So why did he become so popular? Maybe was it him becoming a better team player unlike his brother? Was it how he serached high and low for Sophia? Was it his devotion to finding his brother? Or was it just for his marksmenship with a crossbow? Whatever it was, he went from reoccuring in the first season to the main ever since and literally, the writers just use Dyarl now as a means of plot convinence and advancing the story as needed, he isnt a character, he is plot armor I mean when it came to events for brutally killing zombies to even taking out the governors tank, the solution is daryl, literally the writers made it so both the huge fanbase of guys and girls can be appealed to, they make scenes where he is outright devistating in action to satisfy the guys and scenes like simply holding a baby naming her little ass-kicker to appeal to the female fans. Seriously, this is what they did with a once small time character. Another example? Boba fett from starwars, I don't know why but people make such a huge case out of him, even then because he survived past the events of episode 6 on-screen, he got out of the sarlac pit (thats what its called) he caused all kinds of junk and i don't know why people love him, was it the armor, the weaponry including 2 laser pistols, a missle launcher, and flame thrower? Or was it just his history as a bounty hunter? Boba fett is insanely popular.

 

Now look at Hinata, she was never intended for so much even by kishi's knowledge, he obviously didn't respond to the fanfare since she hasn't been used as much in the manga, yet for some reason, perriot did. They fell in love with her, inserted her into many many fillers, even focusing more on such a small manga event from her that still hasn't been resolved or answered (her confession) that has also had hardly any focus or mention since then (Naruto remembers her defending him but thats all we got as of recently). Basically yess ep 166 is still been the big butt of a joke because the all the good animation skills were used on an unnessessary episode while the following fight with pain was reduced to a pile of looney toons gags and goo. Perriot used Hinata too much and hopefully when 615 comes in the anime soon it won't be an issue again, just keep the hand holding to the length it needs to be, not this overdrawn event making neji seem even more unimportant than he did at first with the hand holding. Seriously it still bothers me how she went right from crying to feeling happy to hold narutos hand, that was just not good kishi. Its fans that overtake the appearence or importance of Hinata that they think she is going to be some big role player when she has had only one event this entire time recently and thats really been it. 615 was way back im 2012 if you could believe it, and its over 50 chapters later, again its like she has 1 event every 50 or so chapters, this is a 660+ chapter manga and she only has not even 50 chapters of notabile importance, most being back in the chunin exams from over 10 years ago. Maybe fans think naruto will still change the hygua clan when he is hokage, he kind of did that already indirectly by changing neji, he still hasn't solved his issues with team 7, mainly sasuke. Its just fans who put a lot of hope in hinata are going to be dissapointed. Fans just take the perception of her too far.

 

Its really just that, kishi shouldn't leave things open ended due to his writing when he already invoakes actions that lean on and make NS the acceptable one and likewise other fans shouldn't just blindy presume that Hinata is the answer to everything or the she will be used in the same sense AMC responded to using Dyarl as the solution to most stuff in the walking dead. I mean the difference between Hinata and Dyarl in this case? Both are fan loved and preffered but unlike dyarl, hinata was not used. This again just proves fanbase means nothing, but being america where poularity and ratings are all that matters in media, AMC uses Dyarl as the money maker, solution, and protects him until otherwise. If they killed him right now, fans would riot. Hinata thankfully hasn't been like this but otherwise kishi didn't use her more when he could have or when she needed it. Theres a difference between positive and negative responses in fan preferred characters and when writers respond to fanfare, in dyarls case its a positive ordeal, they give him development still and though he is a solution to anything by all means, they try to limit him. Hinata's is negative though, fans expect so much from her, but neither kishi makes it happen nor what perriot does for her actually matters being most of her development is filler. In dyarls case, the writers responded to the fanfare but in a postive way, he is on the show indefinately and still limited but still a solution to anything by all means. Hinata though, kishi didn't use her when he had full opportunity and ability too. Perriot did some bad over work with her and this same amount of expectations kinda like from dyarl in the walking dead exists on her in practically the same scale, but none of the merits for these expectations exist. Dyral as a character has his merits and so there is a good reason for fans to expect big things from him. Hinata though, because she hasnt had much screentime, too many fans still expect some huge events from her that will never come. Again this all just goes back to the simple arguement, more screentime = more importance, and while both dyarl and hinata are fan favorites, dyarl as a main and constantly seen character has high expectations for his merits (though we can blame the fact that because this is America, they are going to run him as far as they can when needed because its what the people like) Hinata though, as a minor hasn't (and likewise the difference in culture and author intent is also a big reason why Hinata wasn't scaled up despite the fanfare).

[TouKen4Life3g]

We really need SS to have a moment so akura can reveal her feelings whichever way they go. So we aint gonna get anything good until Madara is out of the picture and even then we could be trolled with Sakura still "loving" sasuke... who knows

At this point, it's almost certain that the next moment is the makeup the past but no love necessary. Unless Karin dies right here, right now. Kishi made it too obvious, there's turning back. Pretty much that moment is needed: start over but no love.

[TyranntX]

Correct me if i'm wrong, but it almost sounds like a few of you guys starting to doubt NS becoming canon at all. there is too much NS build up, It's like the bubble that one of you mentioned earlier. Sakura is keeping her feelings on hold due to the war, now lets just say for arguments sake that all this NS build up is pressure. every moment they have together adds on to that pressure, and eventualy it will burst and NS will become canon. and since its been building up for years, I think we wont have to wait for very long. It's just like what Zabuza (or was it Haku?) in act I. A shinobi can try to cover up their emotions all they want and in the end they will fail on the account of being human.

heck there are times you can clearly see emotion in the characters In the middle of a mission both good and bad.

 

Thats why I think that NS is just around the corner. If not in the next 1-4 chapters then soon none the less.

[TouKen4Life3g]

Lately, we are challenging ourselves because competition grew thin. Now our true enemy is "open ending."

[TyranntX]

Lately, we are challenging ourselves because competition grew thin. Now our true enemy is "open ending."

 

of course competition is thin. there is just so much NS build up that Kishi might as well be yelling " NS BECOMES CANON" on the roof of every one's house... with a megaphone...... 4 times the original size.....  in front of a microphone......... attached to the worlds largest amp. Instead of challenging your self, be proud of it. guard it and protect its pride. the NS build up from act I to now is just flawless. there is no moment that can be contradicted, because there are other moments both new and old to back it up. I am almost tempted to start gloating on rival sites (at least the ones that are still active)... If I had one or two people to come with and back me up  .

[Gojira]

^pretty much what NS4Life said. I've said this many times already but I hope Kishi doesn't leave it open ended like his brother did.

Edited by Pepsi, 03 March 2014 - 02:16 PM.

[Otaru]

 

I think it was just pointless scene, that really served only two purposes. One of the purposes is to have a comedic scene in an overall serious situation, simply to lighten the mood. The other purpose was to establish that Sakura (just like many of us have already theorized beforehand) is similar to Kushina. Now why Kishi would want to point out a connection between Sakura and Kushina, especially considering it matches up with Kushina's request to Naruto to find a girl just like her, is up to readers to deduce...

 

Lol so true

This manga is for YOUNG MEN

So the plot will never be too complicated for them to understand !

I think when Kishi introduces something with a supposedly "subtle" tone, it's for them to deduce or guess what will happen LOL

 

That's why it's so obvious NaruSaku have good chances to be end game.

 

I think all this "Kishimoto drove him into a dead corner"  thing has happened because Kishimoto didn't wanted to make Naruto last this long when he created it. If I remember well, he even said so in his last interview.

I think he was kind of forced to made all of this during longer as the story was supposed to last longer.

I think his editor asked him to make it last longer because it was full of success.

So Kishi introduced many things that he didn't thought about at first, like all this thing about prophecy (IMO). I think at first, he wanted Naruto to succeed without some prophecy, and maybe the Rikudo wasn't in his head at the beginning.

 

So I think because the duration of the manga was supposed to be prolonged, he made ALSO the pairing problem last longer.

I think Kishi only wants to reveal the canon pairing/pairings at the end of the manga, because he's not good at romance I think he doesn't want to write a lot about it because he's not very easy with it moreover, it's a shonen so it will always be more about fight than romance.

 

I think he always wanted Naruto and Sakura to end up together. I may be wrong, but I've always think about it since chapter 3. The way he placed everything, every feeling, to me it's all going together for Naruto to win Sakura's heart at the end.

Edited by Otaru, 03 March 2014 - 02:51 PM.

[Nostradamus]

 

Lol so true

This manga is for YOUNG MEN

So the plot will never be too complicated for them to understand !

I think when Kishi intrudoce something with a "subtle" tone, it's for them to deduce or guess what will happen LOL

 

That's why it's so obvious NaruSaku have good chances to be end game.

If the manga is targeted at young men and women and it's not meant to be complicated. Then why are a lot of the fans convinced that NH will be the end pairing? Even when there is absolutely no signs for NH happening.

[sushi.]

If the manga is targeted at young men and women and it's not meant to be complicated. Then why are a lot of the fans convinced that NH will be the end pairing? Even when there is absolutely no signs for NH happening.

"If I were Naruto, I would pick Hinata"

"I'm rooting for Hinata to get her man"

"Naruto would be Sakura's silver prize, while Hinata really loves him"

"Databook 3 NS proof is outdated, Sakura reconfirmed her love for Sasuke after that"

Or the royal argument; NS=brotp *rolls on floor*

 

That is my impression anyway. Others just cling too much on 469 and 615.

[pharix]

"Naruto would be Sakura's silver prize, while Hinata really loves him"

oh the hypocrisy. also the tired out "Hinata deserves him" nonsense like he's not even a person, just a reward

[Nostradamus]

"If I were Naruto, I would pick Hinata"

"I'm rooting for Hinata to get her man"

"Naruto would be Sakura's silver prize, while Hinata really loves him"

"Databook 3 NS proof is outdated, Sakura reconfirmed her love for Sasuke after that"

Or the royal argument; NS=brotp *rolls on floor*

 

That is my impression anyway. Others just cling too much on 469 and 615.

 

"If I were Naruto, I would pick Hinata"  -  Yes I would also pick a girl that could've saved me from my loneliness but decided not too. I would also pick a girl that doesn't really know anything about me or my dreams. I would pick her because of her ballons.

 

"I'm rooting for Hinata to get her man"  - So Hinata's development gets a back seat to her getting her man. Brilliant. Instead of wanted what's best for her character, let's hope she remains a pairing fodder. 

 

"Naruto would be Sakura's silver prize, while Hinata really loves him"  - I'm really tired of this "Hinata really loves Naruto". Why do people fail to see that she doesn't really love him, she is in love with is nindo she doesn't know anything about the boy.

 

"Databook 3 NS proof is outdated, Sakura reconfirmed her love for Sasuke after that"  -  Let's use a moment done for drama purposes and suspense as proof of Sakura loving Sasuke.

Edited by Nostradamus, 03 March 2014 - 03:31 PM.