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[sushi.]

We can only wait and see how Kishi works this out. Lately, we have been surprised with the choice of scenes in a good way, so this could be a great thing. However, let's not get carry away since we are left with a huge impression from Kishi, so I wouldn't blame you thinking very highly. I'm going to keep it neutral as possible, waiting for another surprise.

Yeah, there is a fine line between hoping and expecting. It's just so easy to drift over. : p

[bthug]

So with Naruto on his way back and the absence of a Sakura "becoming emotional distressed" scene, do you think this will come later? Or perhaps Kishi will avoid that type of scene entirely, he seems to avoiding typical shonen moments when it comes to these two. Perhaps in the eyes of Kishi, Sakura acting "emotional" would be a step backwards and so the full reveal will come from a very strong women type of perspective. 

 

What do you guys think?

[KnS]

Okay, about this "Sakura isn't emotional enough" business....

 

Remember when Sasuke took the brunt of Haku's needle attack and Sakura ran to him, and despite knowing it was against her shinobi training to show her emotions she cried her heart out over his "dead" body?

 

Remember Sakura's confession to Sasuke?  All the tears and sniffling, and the unrealistic promises of happiness that weren't hers to make?  How she was so desperate and lacking in self esteem that she pledged to leave behind her family and commitments, pledged to kill for him, to do absolutely anything he wanted?  And when the begging and bargaining didn't work, rather than accept Sasuke's feelings and wishes she stooped to making threats? 

 

Sakura has never been like that with Naruto, even though she feels very deep emotion for him.  Compare all that to when she found out how difficult it is to be a jinchuriki and that when the biju is extracted they die.  How she ran to Naruto when he transformed with four tails, and then how disappointed she was in herself that she could only do the smallest things for him.

 

Remember how she got on Hinata's case for worrying about Naruto when he confronted Tobi, saying he could take care of himself?

 

Remember how she spoke for Naruto while she was healing him, how she said that everyone had to do what was within their power and if they were "going to die anyway, it is better to die fighting than doing nothing"?

 

Now I realize some people will argue that these examples are apples and oranges.  Some will say that the reason Sakura has been more emotional with Sasuke than Naruto is because she loves Sasuke and not Naruto.  But I don't think it's that at all.  I think her behavior is different for two specific reasons.

 

First, with Sasuke she has no confidence.  It's hard to even call their interactions a relationship because he neither respects her nor treats her as an equal.  She has no control in their relationship, and no influence over his feelings whatsoever.  I believe that disparity has made her feelings for Sasuke become larger than life, and feel more desperate and important than they are.    

 

Second, she believes in Naruto completely.  He is always there and never lets her down.  She doesn't worry about him because she believes that he is, in a sense, unstoppable.  She responds to Naruto's crisis moments with strength and bravery because that's what he inspires in her.  

 

Sakura's heart is full of emotion for Naruto.  We know she chose him above Sasuke and herself.  She's not falling apart right now because her long history with Naruto has taught her she can depend on him.  He never gives up and always comes through, and she is determined to help him every step of the way.  She wants to do more than the smallest things for him.

 

It's just my opinion, but I don't think an emotionally rattled Sakura is what we want.  I'd rather see her be in steely command of her feelings until he's out of danger, and then either give Naruto another slug/hug for scaring her or an impetuous kiss.  

 

P.S.  After nearly three years I decided to change my icon. 

Edited by KnS, 02 March 2014 - 08:07 AM.

[TouKen4Life3g]

Nothing screams "Naruto is dead!" It only screams "We have a chance!" So Sakura maintained herself. She was going to choke when she realized her healing didn't work, but Gaara explained and yeah, there's hope. If there's none, well yeah, she would be in a different story. After all, her first reaction does says it all.

 

@KnS: Oh, new avatar. Now I feel outdated. XD

Edited by NaruSaku4Life3g, 02 March 2014 - 03:21 AM.

[tricksie]

@KnS - I'd also add to your great post that Sakura's emotional resolve sets her up as surpassing Tsunade when faced with possibly losing the love of her life underneath her own hands. It adds another facet as to why she's not weepy/freaking out. 

 

Also, I noticed you changed your avatar!!   I had to double check the name/icon. lol. I like it!

[narusaku256]

 

Okay, about this "Sakura isn't emotional enough" business....

 

Remember when Sasuke took the brunt of Haku's needle attack and Sakura ran to him, and despite knowing it was against her shinobi training to show her emotions she cried her heart out over his "dead" body?

 

Remember Sakura's confession to Sasuke?  All the tears and sniffling, and the unrealistic promises of happiness that weren't hers to make?  How she was so desperate and lacking in self esteem that she pledged to leave behind her family and commitments, pledged to kill for him, to do absolutely anything he wanted?  And when the begging and bargaining didn't work, rather than accept Sasuke's feelings and wishes she stooped to making threats? 

 

Sakura has never been like that with Naruto, even though she feels very deep emotion for him.  Compare all that to when she found out how difficult it is to be a jinchuriki and that when the biju is extracted they die.  How she ran to Naruto when he transformed with four tails, and then how disappointed she was in herself that she could only do the smallest things for him.

 

Remember how she got on Hinata's case for worrying about Naruto when he confronted Tobi, saying he could take care of himself?

 

Remember how she spoke for Naruto while she was healing him, how she said that everyone had to do what was within their power and if they were "going to die anyway, it is better to die fighting than doing nothing"?

 

Now I realize some people will argue that these examples are apples and oranges.  Some will say that the reason Sakura has been more emotional with Sasuke than Naruto is because she loves Sasuke and not Naruto.  But I don't think it's that at all.  I think her behavior is different for two specific reasons.

 

First, with Sasuke she has no confidence.  It's hard to even call their interactions a relationship because he neither respects her nor treats her as an equal.  She has no control in their relationship, and no influence over his feelings whatsoever.  I believe that disparity has made her feelings for Sasuke become larger than life, and feel more desperate and important than they are.    

 

Second, she believes in Naruto completely.  He is always there and never lets her down.  She doesn't worry about him because she believes that he is, in a sense, unstoppable.  She responds to Naruto's crisis moments with strength and bravery because that's what he inspires in her.  

 

Sakura's heart is full of emotion for Naruto.  We know she chose him above Sasuke and herself.  She's not falling apart right now because her long history with Naruto has taught her she can depend on him.  He never gives up and always comes through, and she is determined to help him every step of the way.  She wants to do more than the smallest things for him.

 

It's just my opinion, but I don't think an emotionally rattled Sakura is what we want.  I'd rather see her be in steely command of her feelings until he's out of danger, and then either give Naruto another slug/hug for scaring her or an impetuous kiss.  

 

P.S.  After three nearly three years I decided to change my icon. 

 

First of all, a perfect post! Agree with all you have said. I'll like to add that maybe Sakura is not all emotional now because she knows that one wrong move and her beloved(XD)Naruto is gone forever! Since she does not want this to happen she is all in control now. Its quite paradoxical like crushing the emotions which show her love only to show how much she cares and loves him and will almost do anything for his sake. Its also like the same thing as when the news of Jiraiya dying hit Tsunade. She did not start going all emotional and all but at the end of the episode her words and emotions showed how much Jiraiya meant to her. Also most of the times Sakura has put Naruto ahead of Sasuke. Sakura has stood up for Naruto when she really needed to and the fact that she stated 'he can take care of himself' shows that she has utmost faith in Naruto's abilities unlike Hinata who jumped in to save Naruto(during Pain arc) when he had told everyone not to interefere and in a way she showed she has little faith in Naruto's abilities. So maybe in a way these mangas meant as a character development as well as pairing development.

Edited by narusaku256, 02 March 2014 - 05:54 AM.

[Nostradamus]

So with Naruto on his way back and the absence of a Sakura "becoming emotional distressed" scene, do you think this will come later? Or perhaps Kishi will avoid that type of scene entirely, he seems to avoiding typical shonen moments when it comes to these two. Perhaps in the eyes of Kishi, Sakura acting "emotional" would be a step backwards and so the full reveal will come from a very strong women type of perspective. 

 

What do you guys think?

Well considering the preview we're going to get a meeting between Naruto and the Rikudou, if that preview is correct. So the NS moment will happen when Naruto wakes up. The way I see that happening will be something similar to the OVA, Sakura hugging Naruto having a "I thought I lost you" moment. Maybe even a kiss considering the fact that she doesn't have a problem "lip locking" him. Or maybe a forehead kiss, possibly transferring some chakra to her. This is will also give us an answer on why we didn't see Sakura in 616 getting chakra. From the three options I mentioned I would say the first one has about 80% chance of happening, the second 10% and the third 10%. This being said I actually like the way Sakura was portrayed in these last chapters. I'm glad Kishimoto didn't make Sakura into a needy girl. I'm glad we didn't get a moment of "Oh my God I love you please come back to me", we saw the pain that she had when she realized that Naruto's heart stopped but she didn't give up on him. She didn't have a "Neji please take care of him" moment. What she did was her job, she did all that she could to keep Naruto alive. She became Naruto's life support. Sakura is a strong female character with a big heart.

Edited by Nostradamus, 02 March 2014 - 12:27 PM.

[sushi.]

The fact that Sakura is not losing her cool speaks tons of her development to me. She's grown so much.

[TouKen4Life3g]

Indeed. Imagine her just cry as Naruto just started to die. That would be....pretty bad for her...and fandom.

[Nostradamus]

The fact that Sakura is not losing her cool speaks tons of her development to me. She's grown so much.

Indeed. Imagine her just cry as Naruto just started to die. That would be....pretty bad for her...and fandom.

Correct. She is keeping her emotions in check in order to do her job. In order to do what must be done.

Edited by Nostradamus, 02 March 2014 - 04:51 PM.

[James S Cassidy]

Wait I just thought of something....

When Kakashi met Tobi for the first time and Tobi told him that his Kamui would not work on him, how did Kakashi not know it was Obito right then and there?

[TouKen4Life3g]

Wait I just thought of something....

When Kakashi met Tobi for the first time and Tobi told him that his Kamui would not work on him, how did Kakashi not know it was Obito right then and there?

He thought Obito is like invisible. No one knows how that thing works until the battle happens. That's when he realized it was connected, rather being "speed". Sakura thought it wasn't speed, it's as if his body went to a new world. That's our clue. We just didn't put the puzzle right until we got it. Though you can say we did once Madara (Edo) showed up.

[Gojira]

Hello I'm new here.

 

I hope this relationship will be canon and imo it most likely will (i'd say it has a 70-80% chance of working out) but I do have some concerns so i'll go ahead and write them down.

 

The main problem is that Sakura's schoolgirl crush on Sasuke is harder to kill then a cockroach on steroids. He tried to brutaly kill her several times and Naruto on the other hand has spent the entire series trying to make her happy and save her life and the love fodder nin scene made it clear that when it comes to someone she loves she only thought of Sasuke, Naruto wasn't even a possibility. Honestly if it turns out later she still does (atleast thinks she does) love Sasuke after this situation I'm just gonna start losing hope in this pairing because even going so far as to die wouldn't get her to see how she feels.Not only that, every confusing thing that happened in the Kage Summit arc complicates the problem even more

 

The second problem is Hinata's conviction to be with Naruto keeps getting stronger, despite the fact that this is a one-sided pair the reason this is a problem is because during the whole scene where Naruto's friends were heading to the battlefield she claims that after this war is over she plans to stop being shy and actually be with him (while Sakura was pretty much just thinking about how she wants to be there for him as a comrade which is disappointing I thought atleast something ambiguous would have been nice) and this conviction doesn't disappear when she takes a mini juubi out and further claims that she "will be with Naruto forever"

 

The final problem is that this relationship is in a total deadlock (atleast for right now) Naruto claims he is not going to tell Sakura his true feelings until he brings Sasuke back to the village, the problem with this is that now he says that bringing Sasuke back has nothing to do with the promise and now even when he does bring him back its already been established that Sakura still very much loves him (ofcourse the SS relationship would still not work since Sasuke is just flat out not interested and even after supposedly becoming a good guy he was perfectly fine with letting most of the shinobi alliance die, Sakura included) not to mention Sasuke decided to return of his own free will so Naruto technically still technically hasn't fulfilled his promise.

 

Given all the evidence Kishi's been giving us, NaruxSaku is definitely the relationship he's going for, that is without a doubt but the problem is he's sort of written himself into a corner with this little dilemma

 

I think without a doubt this will become canon but there's a lot of kitten to go over before it does and its sort of hard to do that when their in the middle of the most dire situation they've ever had so I guess Kishi might wait until the end to clear all this stuff out? 

Edited by Pepsi, 02 March 2014 - 07:28 PM.

[Transformers03]

 

Hello I'm new here.

 

I hope this relationship will be canon and imo it most likely will (i'd say it has a 70-80% chance of working out) but I do have some concerns so i'll go ahead and write them down.

 

The main problem is that Sakura's schoolgirl crush on Sasuke is harder to kill then a cockroach on steroids. He tried to brutaly kill her several times and Naruto on the other hand has spent the entire series trying to make her happy and save her life and the love fodder nin scene made it clear that when it comes to someone she loves she only thought of Sasuke, Naruto wasn't even a possibility. Honestly if it turns out later she still does (atleast thinks she does) love Sasuke after this situation I'm just gonna start losing hope in this pairing because even going so far as to die wouldn't get her to see how she feels.Not only that, every confusing thing that happened in the Kage Summit arc complicates the problem even more

 

The second problem is Hinata's conviction to be with Naruto keeps getting stronger, despite the fact that this is a one-sided pair the reason this is a problem is because during the whole scene where Naruto's friends were heading to the battlefield she claims that after this war is over she plans to stop being shy and actually be with him (while Sakura was pretty much just thinking about how she wants to be there for him as a comrade which is disappointing I thought atleast something ambiguous would have been nice) and this conviction doesn't disappear when she takes a mini juubi out and further claims that she "will be with Naruto forever"

 

The final problem is that this relationship is in a total deadlock (atleast for right now) Naruto claims he is not going to tell Sakura his true feelings until he brings Sasuke back to the village, the problem with this is that now he says that bringing Sasuke back has nothing to do with the promise and now even when he does bring him back its already been established that Sakura still very much loves him (ofcourse the SS relationship would still not work since Sasuke is just flat out not interested and even after supposedly becoming a good guy he was perfectly fine with letting most of the shinobi alliance die, Sakura included) not to mention Sasuke decided to return of his own free will so Naruto technically still technically hasn't fulfilled his promise.

 

Given all the evidence Kishi's been giving us, NaruxSaku is definitely the relationship he's going for, that is without a doubt but the problem is he's sort of written himself into a corner with this little dilemma

 

I think without a doubt this will become canon but there's a lot of kitten to go over before it does and its sort of hard to do that when their in the middle of the most dire situation they've ever had so I guess Kishi might wait until the end to clear all this stuff out? 

 

 

My thoughts exactly, Kishi definitely gotten himself in a corner.

[KnS]

Hello I'm new here.

 

Hello, Pepsi, and welcome to H & E!  

 

While I understand your concerns -- naturally we've gone over and over and over the same issues list on this forum many times -- I think you may be focusing too much on what is perceived as negative, and not enough on the positive.

 

I'll take your points in order.

 

The main problem is that Sakura's schoolgirl crush on Sasuke is harder to kill then a cockroach on steroids. 

 

Actually, this is not true.  Sakura's feelings for Sasuke have been in steady and documented decline since he left the village.  Among the most recent events we saw her not overreact when Sasuke appeared on the battlefield; we were given an interaction with Sai in which we were clued into the fact that she does not trust Sasuke; and we saw Sakura claim her right to fight as a part of Team 7 -- and direct that claim to Naruto.  Sasuke might as well have not even been there.

 

At the previous Team 7 reunion (when Sakura tried again to kill Sasuke and he turned the kunai on her, and Naruto arrived in time to save her), Sakura said she couldn't do anything but believe in "both of them."  Sakura has since gone all in to support Naruto no matter what. 

 

As I've already mentioned, we now know that Sakura actually doesn't trust Sasuke, and if his goals are in fact contrary to Naruto's and Sasuke still intends to kill Naruto as a means to finally erase his past, there is no way Sakura will side with Sasuke.

 

The second problem is Hinata's conviction to be with Naruto keeps getting stronger

 

The romantic aspirations of a secondary character like Hinata are irrelevant, especially compared to the hero's.  Besides, the specific moment you mention -- when she takes out the mini juubi -- is debatable in terms of what Hinata meant.  

 

She has romantic feelings for Naruto, yes, but more than anything she wants to be a strong and brave ninja, one who is able to stand by his side, or walk his path with him forever.  I don't believe Hinata expects to be with Naruto romantically; she is not an aggressive personality who would push herself on him or even entertain the fantasy of being with him in the absence of any encouragement from him.

 

Hinata wants to be Naruto's equal in strength and courage.  The one specific wish she had was to hold his hand, which she achieved in #615.  That, along with her symbolic failure to reach him when his heart was stopping, and her attitude of defeat wherein she surrendered her hope to Neji to take care of Naruto in death, has sealed Hinata's relevance.  

 

The final problem is that this relationship is in a total deadlock

 

No, not anymore.  #631 was the game-changer.  Naruto admitted to his father that Sakura was "more or less" his girlfriend.  That neutralized any remaining power of the old promise, and proves that Naruto not only still loves Sakura but that he has graduated to the point where he can admit what he wants publicly.

 

Likewise, Sakura responded to Naruto's claim in a funny way.  She was not embarrassed in the serious sense.  She did not have any private thoughts of guilt that she had given Naruto the wrong impression, and that she was going to break his heart with the truth.  She did not think of Sasuke.  No, she gave him a headbutt and told him to shut up and heal.

 

Now we have Sakura as close to Naruto as it is humanly possible to be.  She has literally given him the breath of life with her lips, and held his heart in her hand -- all while Hinata is face down in the dirt.  The symbolism couldn't be more clear.

 

I believe it is Naruto's turn to confess, and how or when he will do it remains to be seen.  But Kishimoto has moved Sakura a long way from her feelings for Sasuke and toward Naruto, and we are now past the point of no return with NS.

 

That's my opinion, anyway.  

Edited by KnS, 02 March 2014 - 09:05 PM.

[Hanabi]

@Pepsi Hinata is a fan favorite, even those who work with Kishi have stated that they see her more of a heroine than Sakura (Kishi himself have a different opinion of his heroine though, he says it is ultimately sakura  ) so Kishi is very aware of her fanbase and her focus may have made out to be bigger than it is. but if you want to worry about Hinata you might as well worry about Karin Ino Lee too, all the loves are harder to kill then a cockroach on steroids.

 

Take Lee for example, we have him first hand witnessing Sakura's confession to Naruto, and his dismayed look, yet he was still blushing around sakura in the war, and he could sense sakura on gaara's shroud without seeing her..

or Karin, who got freaking stabbed but is still emotionally affected by him and managed to awaken her chains for Sasuke anyway..

or Ino, who barely know anything except he's a missing nin, still holding a torch for Sasuke..

Edited by Hanabi, 02 March 2014 - 09:26 PM.

[Gojira]

All great points made.

 

I guess the only threat left for the coupling at this point is if Kishi pulls what his brother did and leave it open-ended

 

then again Seishi was forced to cancel and wrap up the story in a short amount of time and I believe Kishi already confirmed that Naruto will possibly have a son during the end (he did say he's been thinking of names)

[PacificWater20]

Honestly, if Kishi said there would be one confirmed couple in the end, who else could it be except for Naruto and Sakura? I mean I'm not bashing NaruHina, but exactly what evidence in the series would lead you to believe that those two would be together? Naruto is never shown to have ever had any of romantic feelings at all toward Hinata. Yet his feelings for Sakura are unwavering throughout the entirety of the series. Kishi really doesn't leave a whole lot to the imagination there.

[TouKen4Life3g]

Man, today is about cancellation. It's disheartening....

[TacticalFox88]

Honestly, if Kishi said there would be one confirmed couple in the end, who else could it be except for Naruto and Sakura? I mean I'm not bashing NaruHina, but exactly what evidence in the series would lead you to believe that those two would be together? Naruto is never shown to have ever had any of romantic feelings at all toward Hinata. Yet his feelings for Sakura are unwavering throughout the entirety of the series. Kishi really doesn't leave a whole lot to the imagination there.

This is a fanbase that, until it is LITERALLY spelled out for them, they will continue to be in denial in favor of their own biases. 

 

It's going to backfire spectacularly when reality comes crashing down.