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#15101 Shadow1275

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Posted 03 April 2013 - 05:32 AM

QUOTE (narulsaku @ Apr 3 2013, 05:28 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
thet doesnt mean she cant get a boost

Yeah, I'm just guessing. Tsunade could possibly use lightning jutsu because when she fought Kabuto she used electricity. Sakura may get some sort of nature technique, sage mode, or even Naruto might have taught her the rasengan.

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Posted 03 April 2013 - 05:43 AM

QUOTE (Awes9 @ Apr 3 2013, 12:37 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
No, he copied it and most likely improved from Tobirama, just last week we have seen Tobirama use a justu called Hirashingiri and even when he was fighting Obito he said Obito's Kamui is superior to his space time jutsu and Tobirama's. Tobirama is the one who created the first version of Hirashin.
QUOTE (narusakurama @ Apr 3 2013, 12:39 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I believe that was the 2nd Hokage , or at least if he did not invent it , he is shown to know it , as recent as the latest chapters . Minato's version is more advanced though .

I don't think that Tobirama's and Minato's space-time jutsus related, mainly because at the oldest Minato was a toddler when Tobirama was killed, so the only way they could be related would've been through Hiruzan and Jiraiya, who neither has even been mentioned to know a Space-time ninjutsu, also if I remember right it was said somewhere that the Flying Thunder God Jutsu works on the same principals as the Revers Summoning Jutsu.

Even if the Flying Thunder God Jutsu is based off of Tobirama's jutsu, it is probably a case like the Rasenshuriken, while Minato created the Rasengan, the Rasenshuriken was created by Naruto, and thus the Flying Thunder God Jutsu was created by Minato.

Also as for the Hirashingiri, given what we've seen of it, it looks to be just a kenjutsu technique, most likely related to the speed at which the blade is swung.

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Posted 03 April 2013 - 05:44 AM

Do you guys really think there's enough time for a Sakura training arc?

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Posted 03 April 2013 - 05:47 AM

QUOTE (Branden @ Apr 2 2013, 10:44 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Do you guys really think there's enough time for a Sakura training arc?

To be honest? No.
And I kinda doubt that Tsunade has a lightning affinity. Her technique to jumble the opponents nervous system is more or less associated with her expertise in medical ninjutsu.

With that said, Tsunade's four rules of a medic-nin still feels like painfully obvious foreshadowing of Sakura achieving Byakugo.


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Posted 03 April 2013 - 05:55 AM

QUOTE (Branden @ Apr 3 2013, 08:44 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Do you guys really think there's enough time for a Sakura training arc?


Not really no. But the only one who had serious training in the manga chapters is Naruto. Even for Sasuke after the time-skip it was all more hate ===> more power ( or better said asspulls). But if the others in K11 showed their strength in this shinobi arc I think the only one who didn't had some progress on the fighting skills is Sakura.

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Posted 03 April 2013 - 06:02 AM

QUOTE (Branden @ Apr 3 2013, 05:44 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Do you guys really think there's enough time for a Sakura training arc?

Haha, it's called flashbacks. the cheap way to squeeze in development when your too lazy. happy.gif

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Posted 03 April 2013 - 06:06 AM

QUOTE (Shadow1275 @ Apr 2 2013, 11:02 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Haha, it's called flashbacks. the cheap way to squeeze in development when your too lazy. happy.gif

Yes let's have Sakura suddenly become as strong as a jonin, because that wouldn't be a total asspull at this point. tongue.gif

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Posted 03 April 2013 - 06:16 AM

QUOTE (Baguette @ Apr 3 2013, 06:06 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Yes let's have Sakura suddenly become as strong as a jonin, because that wouldn't be a total asspull at this point. tongue.gif

Haha you got it. Hey Bag, have you ever considered writing your own Manga?

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Posted 03 April 2013 - 06:18 AM

How is that an asspull Sakura has already fought and beaten an s ranked criminal Sasori

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Posted 03 April 2013 - 06:20 AM

QUOTE (Shadow1275 @ Apr 2 2013, 11:16 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Haha you got it. Hey Bag, have you ever considered writing your own Manga?

No I could never manage that. Lack of any drawing skills aside, I've actually tried my hands on fanfiction, but then again that involves using already established characters with pre-existent development.
So no, not in a million years.

QUOTE (sakurx @ Apr 2 2013, 11:18 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
How is that an asspull Sakura has already fought and beaten an s ranked criminal Sasori

Sasori allowed himself to be defeated. He should have won that fight, like Chiyo said.

Edited by Baguette, 03 April 2013 - 06:21 AM.


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Posted 03 April 2013 - 07:08 AM

QUOTE (Jake @ Apr 3 2013, 07:43 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I don't think that Tobirama's and Minato's space-time jutsus related, mainly because at the oldest Minato was a toddler when Tobirama was killed, so the only way they could be related would've been through Hiruzan and Jiraiya, who neither has even been mentioned to know a Space-time ninjutsu, also if I remember right it was said somewhere that the Flying Thunder God Jutsu works on the same principals as the Revers Summoning Jutsu.

Even if the Flying Thunder God Jutsu is based off of Tobirama's jutsu, it is probably a case like the Rasenshuriken, while Minato created the Rasengan, the Rasenshuriken was created by Naruto, and thus the Flying Thunder God Jutsu was created by Minato.

Also as for the Hirashingiri, given what we've seen of it, it looks to be just a kenjutsu technique, most likely related to the speed at which the blade is swung.

Hirashingiri litterally means "flying thunder god slash". We know that they both have space time jutsu and they have a technique which has the same name, we didn't see the beginning of the attack, just the outcome so we don't know what happened beforehand, there is nothing that shows it was a simple slash but the name of the technique clearly implies a relation between the 2 techniques.

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Posted 03 April 2013 - 07:27 AM

QUOTE (Awes9 @ Apr 3 2013, 03:08 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Hirashingiri litterally means "flying thunder god slash". We know that they both have space time jutsu and they have a technique which has the same name, we didn't see the beginning of the attack, just the outcome so we don't know what happened beforehand, there is nothing that shows it was a simple slash but the name of the technique clearly implies a relation between the 2 techniques.


Just because they have a similar name doesn't mean they are the same, Minato my have named his technique in honor of Tobirama's Hirashingiri. Furthermore every time the Flying Thunder God Jutsu has been mentioned (most recently by the Mizukage) it was called the Yondaime Hokage's technique, which says to me that it is known throughout the Shinobi world that Minato was the jutsu's creator and given that Tobirama is known for his skill in Water jutsu, and Edo Tensei, you'd think he would also be well known for creating the Flying Thunder God Jutsu as well.

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Posted 03 April 2013 - 07:29 AM

QUOTE (Jake @ Apr 3 2013, 12:27 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Just because they have a similar name doesn't mean they are the same, Minato my have named his technique in honor of Tobirama's Hirashingiri. Furthermore every time the Flying Thunder God Jutsu has been mentioned (most recently by the Mizukage) it was called the Yondaime Hokage's technique, which says to me that it is known throughout the Shinobi world that Minato was the jutsu's creator and given that Tobirama is known for his skill in Water jutsu, and Edo Tensei, you'd think he would also be well known for creating the Flying Thunder God Jutsu as well.

Considering how Hashirama had become almost mythical by Naruto's time, with only a select few knowing about his Wood Style, perhaps the same thing happened with Tobirama?

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Posted 03 April 2013 - 07:31 AM

QUOTE (Baguette @ Apr 3 2013, 03:29 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Considering how Hashirama had become almost mythical by Naruto's time, with only a select few knowing about his Wood Style, perhaps the same thing happened with Tobirama?


Where was it said that few people know about Hashirama's Wood Release? Because if I'm not mistaken it was stated the he was famous for his Wood Release.

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Posted 03 April 2013 - 07:37 AM

QUOTE (Baguette @ Apr 3 2013, 02:20 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Sasori allowed himself to be defeated. He should have won that fight, like Chiyo said.

Still, Sakura and Chiyo did push Sasori to his limits. He even used his 100 puppets that took down an entire country, yet Sakura and Chiyo fought them off.

I'd say that Sakura is already jounin level in terms of skill. Remember how Kankuro, who's already a jounin, easily lost to Sasori. Even though Sakura had Chiyo's help she did an impressive job at holding her own against Sasori.

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Posted 03 April 2013 - 07:37 AM

QUOTE (Jake @ Apr 3 2013, 12:31 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Where was it said that few people know about Hashirama's Wood Release? Because if I'm not mistaken it was stated the he was famous for his Wood Release.

It was mentioned around here a while ago. I honestly don't know for sure myself.

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Still, Sakura and Chiyo did push Sasori to his limits. He even used his 100 puppets that took down an entire country, yet Sakura and Chiyo fought them off.

I'd say that Sakura is already jounin level in terms of skill. Remember how Kankuro, who's already a jounin, easily lost to Sasori. Even though Sakura had Chiyo's help she did an impressive job at holding her own against Sasori.

Sakura might qualify for Tokubetsu-Jonin status based on her medical skills alone, but as far as being a jounin goes.....meh.
Post Sasori-fight, her hyped dodging skills haven't really been displayed much at all.
Remember how she couldn't even dodge Omoi's kick? Or how in recent chapters Kakashi had to help pull her away from the Juubi's spikes?
Sometimes I wonder if she's regressed.

Edited by Baguette, 03 April 2013 - 07:41 AM.


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Posted 03 April 2013 - 07:41 AM

QUOTE (redragon88 @ Apr 3 2013, 02:37 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Still, Sakura and Chiyo did push Sasori to his limits. He even used his 100 puppets that took down an entire country, yet Sakura and Chiyo fought them off.

I'd say that Sakura is already jounin level in terms of skill. Remember how Kankuro, who's already a jounin, easily lost to Sasori. Even though Sakura had Chiyo's help she did an impressive job at holding her own against Sasori.

The fact Sakura hold him off is really impressive feat and that's something we can't ignore. Even in the movie, she didn't get beat down, rather it was stopped because Naruto was back on his feet. Hell, she was about to fight Tobi all on her own if she has to. There's just many excuses for her not battling people, which is why we don't see it. Like going to find Shikamaru, fight ended. Fighting Tobi, keep dodging. Fighting Pain, first people because everyone was getting killed and civilians weren't evacuated. Fighting Sasuke, first she was off-guard, second her old emotions got the best of her. In war, rescuing people and discover the sneak attack by Zetsu. Now, it's all up for grabs.

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Posted 03 April 2013 - 07:44 AM

QUOTE (Jake @ Apr 3 2013, 09:27 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Just because they have a similar name doesn't mean they are the same, Minato my have named his technique in honor of Tobirama's Hirashingiri. Furthermore every time the Flying Thunder God Jutsu has been mentioned (most recently by the Mizukage) it was called the Yondaime Hokage's technique, which says to me that it is known throughout the Shinobi world that Minato was the jutsu's creator and given that Tobirama is known for his skill in Water jutsu, and Edo Tensei, you'd think he would also be well known for creating the Flying Thunder God Jutsu as well.


I think the basic technique they both use is the same and was proabably invented by Tobirama . And Minato developed it even further , like Naruto's rasenshuriken , into thunder good technique level two , which is what he uses to defeat Obito (chapter 502)

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Posted 03 April 2013 - 08:09 AM

We know that Naruto and Sasuke have surpassed their teachers, but has Sakura surpassed Tsunade?

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Posted 03 April 2013 - 08:09 AM

QUOTE (Baguette @ Apr 3 2013, 03:37 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Sakura might qualify for Tokubetsu-Jonin status based on her medical skills alone, but as far as being a jounin goes.....meh.
Post Sasori-fight, her hyped dodging skills haven't really been displayed much at all.
Remember how she couldn't even dodge Omoi's kick? Or how in recent chapters Kakashi had to help pull her away from the Juubi's spikes?
Sometimes I wonder if she's regressed.

I guess that makes Kankuro an even more meh ninja then. laugh.gif

You put too much hype in jounin, remember that also Temari and Neji have that rank. Do you really think they're that much stronger than Sakura?

Just saying, the fact that Sakura could hold her own against Sasori for such a long time when Kankuro, a jounin, couldn't even last ten minutes against him, plus the fact that Chiyo kept praising Sakura's skills over and over, that can pretty much tell you that Sakura was already beyond the level of a chunin.

Also, you're making too big of a deal about Omoi kicking her, people get hit when they fight. And remember that Sakura needs to understand the pattern of an attack before she's able to flawlessly dodge.




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