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#15041 MoonDrop04

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Posted 26 February 2014 - 06:21 PM

I need plot progression. They can't stay dead forever, it's been 6 chapters already. I am ready.  :fu: Besides, Naruto's revival might trigger a NS moment and no one is there to interrupt it. :spaz:


I Know What You Mean X) I Can't Wait For Another NS Moment Either. I Just Wanted Kishi To Drag Out Their Death States A Few More Chapters So We Can Get Some More Story Progression On Some Things And Later Get An Even Bigger NS Moment In The Future!!!! And This Moment Is Different From What People Are Saying They Think Would Happen Already like sakura hugging naruto or sakura crying for joy or naruto kissing her forehead. >:) People Might Get Impressed With My Version Of It But I Don't Wanna Sound Cocky!!!!..........Oh!? Wait I Already Sound Like That Don't I??? GOD DANGIT!!!! >XD lol

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Posted 26 February 2014 - 08:48 PM

 

Her confession is a troubling plot point for me too. This topic has been on my mind for a while now too.... 

 

I like your idea that is wasn't a lie or the truth. I tend to think that her choosing Naruto, hoping to sway him to return home, was part of her plan to protect Naruto/stop Sasuke/save-them-from-themselves-and-each-other, but when she actually confessed, it turned into something she hadn't quite bargained for: the truth about her own feelings (that she hadn't even admitted to herself). 

 

It's been a while since someone has written such a thoughtful, in-depth post on Sakura's confession so thank you for that.  (Thanks to RomanceGirl, too!)

 

One of the things I love about the way Kishimoto wrote it is that it resists definitive analysis, and continues to be something for fans to reflect upon and question as new information surfaces.  I don't know if he planned for it to be as complex as it turned out, but it's really a thing of beauty in that it moves the pairing forward and yet it doesn't.

 

I agree with what you said, particularly about Sakura's honesty.  Not only did Kishimoto go on record as saying she was an honest girl, but his reaction to fans not understanding her or her motives underscores his intention to characterize her as perhaps stumbling and uncertain and artless, but honest nevertheless.

 

Likewise, I've said this before but by her own thoughts and words -- immediately after Sai's revelation of Naruto's love for her and Shikamaru's insistence that the time had come to confront Sasuke's lawlessness -- she recognized that she had been thinking wrong, and vowed not to make any more mistakes.

 

Why would a girl who believed she had been "getting it wrong" and was determined not to screw up then turn around and immediately go to Naruto and lie to his face?  Why would she say she loved him in front of witnesses, and place his welfare above Sasuke's or even her own, if she didn't mean it?

 

In truth, I find comfort in the discomfort of her confession.  As she said, it's not easy for a girl to confess her love.  It wouldn't be easy to do for anyone, especially under those circumstances, and she felt compelled to tell Naruto things that didn't make her look good and left her vulnerable -- i.e., admitting she had been stupid about Sasuke, and that she finally woke up and chose Naruto.

 

How would anyone say that -- especially in front of other people?  She had to expose herself to criticism and disbelief that her change of heart was real and true.  There was no other way to do it. 

 

And, as you said, Naruto was not only still stuck in the past in terms of accepting that things could and had changed, but he was sorely lacking in sensitivity in his reaction.  He hasn't had an easy time of it, considering he grew up without much in the way of expressed love, tenderness, or feeling as if he could possibly be at the center of anyone's heart.  But it was Kishimoto's way, I believe, of showing Naruto's own issues and immaturity, and it was remarkably effective.

 

There are many overused tropes out there that make no sense but continue to be reused over and over again.

 

Yes.  My favorite overused and nonsensical trope is the time travel paradox.   It's used in fiction a lot, and often makes for an interesting story, but... yeah.  Most of the time they're written in a way that actually doesn't work if it is logically deconstructed. 


Edited by KnS, 26 February 2014 - 09:17 PM.


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Posted 26 February 2014 - 10:14 PM

 

It's been a while since someone has written such a thoughtful, in-depth post on Sakura's confession so thank you for that.  (Thanks to RomanceGirl, too!)

 

One of the things I love about the way Kishimoto wrote it is that it resists definitive analysis, and continues to be something for fans to reflect upon and question as new information surfaces.  I don't know if he planned for it to be as complex as it turned out, but it's really a thing of beauty in that it moves the pairing forward and yet it doesn't.

 

I agree with what you said, particularly about Sakura's honesty.  Not only did Kishimoto go on record as saying she was an honest girl, but his reaction to fans not understanding her or her motives underscores his intention to characterize her as perhaps stumbling and uncertain and artless, but honest nevertheless.

 

Likewise, I've said this before but by her own thoughts and words -- immediately after Sai's revelation of Naruto's love for her and Shikamaru's insistence that the time had come to confront Sasuke's lawlessness -- she recognized that she had been thinking wrong, and vowed not to make any more mistakes.

 

Why would a girl who believed she had been "getting it wrong" and was determined not to screw up then turn around and immediately go to Naruto and lie to his face?  Why would she say she loved him in front of witnesses, and place his welfare above Sasuke's or even her own, if she didn't mean it?

 

In truth, I find comfort in the discomfort of her confession.  As she said, it's not easy for a girl to confess her love.  It wouldn't be easy to do for anyone, especially under those circumstances, and she felt compelled to tell Naruto things that didn't make her look good and left her vulnerable -- i.e., admitting she had been stupid about Sasuke, and that she finally woke up and chose Naruto.

 

How would anyone say that -- especially in front of other people?  She had to expose herself to criticism and disbelief that her change of heart was real and true.  There was no other way to do it. 

 

And, as you said, Naruto was not only still stuck in the past in terms of accepting that things could and had changed, but he was sorely lacking in sensitivity in his reaction.  He hasn't had an easy time of it, considering he grew up without much in the way of expressed love, tenderness, or feeling as if he could possibly be at the center of anyone's heart.  But it was Kishimoto's way, I believe, of showing Naruto's own issues and immaturity, and it was remarkably effective.

 

 

I agree with everything you guys have said except maybe with the bolded one. I don't think i can blame Naruto for thinking like that that Sakura didn't love him considering the fact that just a wile ago before the confession she was sad (Tazuna,Inari scene) and crying about Sasuke (Kumo ninja's scene) and also the fact that he missed so many of Sakura's tender moments toward him , but the fact that the only memory of SS he had was from the past with Sakura fangirling over him indeed showed that he was stuck in the past , but ultimately i think that everything that happened in that arc served as a wake up call to both him and Sakura that things have very much changed and that Sakura indeed might be falling for him hence the 631 scene She's more or less my girlfriend thing . .


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Posted 26 February 2014 - 10:47 PM

I agree with everything you guys have said except maybe with the bolded one. I don't think i can blame Naruto for thinking like that that Sakura didn't love him considering the fact that just a wile ago before the confession she was sad (Tazuna,Inari scene) and crying about Sasuke (Kumo ninja's scene) and also the fact that he missed so many of Sakura's tender moments toward him , but the fact that the only memory of SS he had was from the past with Sakura fangirling over him indeed showed that he was stuck in the past , but ultimately i think that everything that happened in that arc served as a wake up call to both him and Sakura that things have very much changed and that Sakura indeed might be falling for him hence the 631 scene She's more or less my girlfriend thing . .

 

I don't necessarily disagree with you.  I get that Naruto would be reluctant to accept that Sakura's feelings would change.  I mean, if it was one of the things -- if not THE thing -- you wanted most, you would be afraid to believe it. 

 

What I was trying to say was not that Naruto's feelings were wrong or not understandable, but that the way he expressed them -- accusing her of lying to herself (again, in front of other people) -- was not the sensitive way to handle something like that.  That's all.

 

And I thought of something else I'd meant to mention in the previous post.  Another thing that points to Sakura's honesty in the confession is her reaction to Naruto's confirmation to Minato that she is "more or less" his girlfriend.  If she felt even the slightest pang of serious guilt about his misperception, or concern that she had lied to him about her feelings or intentionally misled him, she would not have done the tsundere bit. 

 

The tsundere reaction was played for laughs, and to sort of reset the angst between them to a more normal mode of interaction, but it was a sign that in her own way she accepted the statement. 

 

All you have to do is contrast Sakura's reaction in #631 to her feelings / countenance when she thought of Sasuke in #540.  #631 was a natural, typical response from her, while #540 was a dark, depressing sense of shame and guilt.  Both were honest feelings.


Edited by KnS, 26 February 2014 - 10:49 PM.


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Posted 26 February 2014 - 11:20 PM

I really want to see the revival scene next week (if we get that scene) I just hope we get a good reaction to naruto's revival from sakura, there has to be a scene like that. I mean we have guy going 8 gates next week possibly and sasuke is still accompanied by a foot but there has to be a good NS scene next week after all this, I mean it would seem a bit like a downer if there wasn't a good scene for sakura and obito to see naruto revived and obito in another way to explain himself to naruto. I'm not counting anything major, but a hug in this situation from sakura to naruto in a situation like this, I mean why not? I would be sad if kishi bypassed this and just showed naruto having come back ready to fight without sakura stitching him up first.

 

She still has her hand in his chest, anyone suspect the possibility of naruto question sakura why she did that and a short funny scene later on possibly due to the CPR stuff?


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Posted 26 February 2014 - 11:37 PM

 

You and I just have different views on the situation that apparently don't coincide. I don't believe Sakura was going to kill Sasuke "because she loves him" not when she couldn't kill him for the same reason. The whole thing contradicts itself. The way I see it, Sakura knew Sasuke was going to be killed either way and she didn't want anyone else to have to carry the burden, and she knew Naruto wouldn't be able to do it, so she took the burden on herself. She thought she could put aside her feelings and that was what made her believe she could kill Sasuke, but she realized too late that she couldn't follow through.

 

I think you might've misunderstood me in this part.

 

I said that the reason Sakura took the mission to kill Sasuke was for Naruto's sake, not because she loves Sasuke. And I think that the point, according to Sai, which Sakura used to justify being capable of killing a loved one was the whole "not wanting to see him get more corrupted".

 

Protecting Naruto was Sakura's reason to kill Sasuke, and "saving a loved one from darkness" was Sakura's justification to kill Sasuke despite loving him. This is all according to Sai and I would like to think that there's more to it than his explanation, but until we get more insight from Sakura I'll have to go with what he said.

 

 

There are many overused tropes out there that make no sense but continue to be reused over and over again. This one in particular just happens to be one I don't agree with, at least not in the situation with Sakura and Sasuke. But that doesn't mean I don't acknowledge that it exists. Besides, I wasn't even talking about tropes to begin with, you were the one who brought that up.

 

Because I consider the situation regarding Sakura going to kill Sasuke as a form of trope. It's within my rights to refer to it as such if I want to. You said you weren't talking about a trope but the statement that I made, but I consider that statement part of the trope so I associate it with it as well. If you don't consider the statement to be linked with the trope I'll agree to disagree, but I'll keep bringing it up as such because that's my perspective on it.

 

I hope I'm not sounding hostile or anything, that is not my intention. But just as you said, our perspectives are different so I just wanted to present my view points as well.


Edited by redragon88, 26 February 2014 - 11:47 PM.


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Posted 26 February 2014 - 11:48 PM

Update edition question!

Your status for NS, SS, NH, and introducing SK.

New choice: black. It means done aka dead.

So, tell me your status on these pairings today.

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Posted 26 February 2014 - 11:59 PM

I really want to see the revival scene next week (if we get that scene) I just hope we get a good reaction to naruto's revival from sakura, there has to be a scene like that. I mean we have guy going 8 gates next week possibly and sasuke is still accompanied by a foot but there has to be a good NS scene next week after all this, I mean it would seem a bit like a downer if there wasn't a good scene for sakura and obito to see naruto revived and obito in another way to explain himself to naruto. I'm not counting anything major, but a hug in this situation from sakura to naruto in a situation like this, I mean why not? I would be sad if kishi bypassed this and just showed naruto having come back ready to fight without sakura stitching him up first.

 

She still has her hand in his chest, anyone suspect the possibility of naruto question sakura why she did that and a short funny scene later on possibly due to the CPR stuff?

I think Naruto will only comment the CPR if he's paranormal but i believe on a short funny scene even then her hand is inside his chest it's creepy.

 

 

Update edition question!

Your status for NS, SS, NH, and introducing SK.

New choice: black. It means done aka dead.

So, tell me your status on these pairings today.

 

NS : Likely to be canon the only threat is the possibility of an open ending which is real.

SS : Dead from Sasuke's part but there's still the need for Sakura to adress her current feelings to end this once and  for all.

NH : Completely dead and no signs of reciprocity from Naruto thoughout the entire manga, it's done because he reafirmed his love for Sakura on two occasions after the handholding and it's unlikely that his feelings would change.


Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 27 February 2014 - 12:01 AM.

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Posted 27 February 2014 - 12:06 AM

Update edition question!

Your status for NS, SS, NH, and introducing SK.

New choice: black. It means done aka dead.

So, tell me your status on these pairings today.

NS: Growing strong. (lol got reference) A few 'levels' from canon, although the remaining steps are quite big.

SS: Hanging on a thin thread. PS; the thin thread is Sakura's lingering feelings.

NH: Black! :) Dead and resolved. Next up is team 7 arc, then done. Sorry Hinata, no room for you.

SK: I'm not too sure on this one tbh..I'll have to say something more subtle. Had a tough rift in the bond, but he apologized; they haven't reached the forgiveness stage, but step one is complete. They can only go up.


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Posted 27 February 2014 - 12:28 AM

NS: Confirmed, too much has happened between Naruto and Sakura. not putting them together is a real kitten move.

 

NH: Black from the beginning. no offence to the Hinata fans, but I feel like she is almost useless. she dose almost nothing FOR naruto's sake unlike sakura. hell did you see what happened when she confessed? NOTHING!!!!!!! that's right nothing! after that they don't do anything with/for one another, they don't even hang out.

 

SS: Black. I never liked this couple, I really think it died in act 1 on episode 3, and if not their then its definitely when Sasuke left the village to join up with Orochimaru. Sakura (although she would not admit it back then) seem to care so much more for naruto in a way, and that is seen even more so when Sasuke left.

 

SK: unknown. I don't know what to think about this pairing, other than its the EVIL version of NS. but Karin no doubt loves sasuke and deep down sasuke might feel the same for karin. I dont mind this couple, but i'm going to have to see some more hints of it before I start rooting for it.


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Posted 27 February 2014 - 12:34 AM

Update edition question!

Your status for NS, SS, NH, and introducing SK.

New choice: black. It means done aka dead.

So, tell me your status on these pairings today.

 

I just want to say that manga is not over, and any outcome is still possible. We are not Kishi, and we wont know the whole story until the end. With that said, I find it really hard to believe NS wont happen in the end. It still may not, but with everything that has happen in the manga, I really don't see how he has been writing this manga this whole time and NOT have been building up NS for that long. I don't think the other pairings are out, as I mention is not over yet, it is just that NS has had the most development and matches closely with the themes of the series. The Road to Ninja movie would be incredible awkward to watch again if Kishi wasn't planning Naruto and Sakura to get together in the end, and that Kushina comment from Minato in 633 (or was it 632?) wouldn't really make sense at all if anything outside NS happens.



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Posted 27 February 2014 - 01:24 AM

 

I think you might've misunderstood me in this part.

 

I said that the reason Sakura took the mission to kill Sasuke was for Naruto's sake, not because she loves Sasuke. And I think that the point, according to Sai, which Sakura used to justify being capable of killing a loved one was the whole "not wanting to see him get more corrupted".

 

Protecting Naruto was Sakura's reason to kill Sasuke, and "saving a loved one from darkness" was Sakura's justification to kill Sasuke despite loving him. This is all according to Sai and I would like to think that there's more to it than his explanation, but until we get more insight from Sakura I'll have to go with what he said.

 

 

Because I consider the situation regarding Sakura going to kill Sasuke as a form of trope. It's within my rights to refer to it as such if I want to. You said you weren't talking about a trope but the statement that I made, but I consider that statement part of the trope so I associate it with it as well. If you don't consider the statement to be linked with the trope I'll agree to disagree, but I'll keep bringing it up as such because that's my perspective on it.

 

I hope I'm not sounding hostile or anything, that is not my intention. But just as you said, our perspectives are different so I just wanted to present my view points as well.

 

I see, it seems there was some misunderstanding. Now that you've given more explanation, I agree for the most part. I respect your perspective and I hope I was not too harsh myself.



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Posted 27 February 2014 - 01:53 AM

Update edition question!

Your status for NS, SS, NH, and introducing SK.

New choice: black. It means done aka dead.

So, tell me your status on these pairings today.

NS - Confirmed from chapter 3.

SS - It was never alive to begin with.

NH - It was never alive to begin with.

SK - Two nut jobs getting together, plausible.


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Posted 27 February 2014 - 02:28 AM

NS - Confirmed from chapter 3.

SS - It was never alive to begin with.

NH - It was never alive to begin with.

SK - Two nut jobs getting together, plausible.

 

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Posted 27 February 2014 - 04:15 AM

Update edition question!

Your status for NS, SS, NH, and introducing SK.

New choice: black. It means done aka dead.

So, tell me your status on these pairings today.


NS:Mutual. Almost canon.
SS:One sided. Almost dead.
NH:One side. Dead.
SK:One sided. 50/50 Happening?

Edited by luffyq1, 27 February 2014 - 04:16 AM.

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Posted 27 February 2014 - 04:53 AM

I really want to see the revival scene next week (if we get that scene) I just hope we get a good reaction to naruto's revival from sakura, there has to be a scene like that. I mean we have guy going 8 gates next week possibly and sasuke is still accompanied by a foot but there has to be a good NS scene next week after all this, I mean it would seem a bit like a downer if there wasn't a good scene for sakura and obito to see naruto revived and obito in another way to explain himself to naruto. I'm not counting anything major, but a hug in this situation from sakura to naruto in a situation like this, I mean why not? I would be sad if kishi bypassed this and just showed naruto having come back ready to fight without sakura stitching him up first.
 
She still has her hand in his chest, anyone suspect the possibility of naruto question sakura why she did that and a short funny scene later on possibly due to the CPR stuff?


I'm Sorry :( But I Just Don't Think It's The Right Time For The Revival In My Opinion. I Feel Kishi Is Gonna Show That Putting The Nine Tails Into Naruto isn't Gonna Work All The Way. It Just Feels Too Easy To Revive Him Like That........Like Something Is Missing......But I Don't Know What!?!?!? :( Now For There To Be A NS Moment Next Chapter Or 668 I Totally Agree With. A Very Possible Conversation Between Obito And Sakura That May Give Rise To An Even Better NS Moment In The Future Is My Best Bet. Next Chapter Will Be Mostly About Guy vs Madara But Kishi Will Definetly Slip In a Obito/Sakura Conversation In There.......We Just a Gotta Hope It Goes In Our Direction lol X)

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Posted 27 February 2014 - 05:17 AM

NS- Confirmed. No ifs ands or buts.

 

NH: Never existed, let alone had a chance.

 

SS- What's that? Oh, the couple of Sasuke and Sakura? Tell me more about how they were going to end up together after not having a single positive moment towards each other in Shippuden.

 

SK- Don't know, don't really care either.

 

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Posted 27 February 2014 - 05:34 AM

Wow, really good answer from you guys. I like it and nice reasons to them.

 

NS - Green. So green. So kittening green.

NH - Black.

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SK - This is hard. I will play safe and say, yellow...for now.



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Posted 27 February 2014 - 05:35 AM

What is SK? :confused:


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Posted 27 February 2014 - 05:39 AM

What is SK? :confused:


South Korea.

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