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[Tokura Misaki]

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Kyeopta! As expected from DWTD. 

[六道仙人]

It's funny how they're bashing Sakura 'cause she said  that he forgotten to breathe against madara's power

[melovechoco]

@hanabi

Well,okay then.

[arian_rad]

It's funny how they're bashing Sakura 'cause she said  that he forgotten to breathe against madara's power

Reminder that Hinata got taken out by a rock.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

It's funny how they're bashing Sakura 'cause she said  that he forgotten to breathe against madara's power

I'm waiting for Naruto to wake up and notice Sakura's arm inside his chest he will certainly freak out.

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 26 February 2014 - 01:34 PM.

[Tokura Misaki]

It's funny how they're bashing Sakura 'cause she said  that he forgotten to breathe against madara's power

 

Always expecting Sakura bashing. It never changes. 

 

inb4SakuradidntsaveNardo

[Hanabi]

"lol dat sakura not doing anything again haha"

 

[TyranntX]

i considered it done already, haha

 

that's not completely the way it happened, Sakura's the one who grabbed a hold to Naruto's heart 

[tricksie]

Sakura's confession is one of the major NS events in the series that is still hard for me to wrap my head around. There's just so much depth, complications, and motivations. You have one character saying one thing, then another character saying another, and then you're at the point we're you're just so confused and you still don't get the insight that matters ... Sakura's. Naruto believed she didn't love him while Sai seemed to take almost a neutral stance on the matter (it felt more like he wasn't definitely saying Sakura loved Naruto but he wasn't saying she was lying either) so what exactly are you supposed to believe? Naruto? He could've been dense. Sai? Not helping much. Sakura? Nothing that isn't debatable.

 

We won't know for sure until the confession between Naruto and Sakura is re-addressed, but I always got the feeling Sakura was so screwed up mentally in that arc she didn't know what she was really feeling and because of Sai's confession, she was forced into a situation that she was not remotely ready for. Her confession to Naruto and her failure to kill Sasuke were all really clear with that.

 

Sakura meant to approach Naruto in romantic light. Sai's words about Naruto's true feelings made her seriously consider being in a relationship with him and shutting out her feelings for Sasuke all so she could make him happy. Sakura seems willing to be with Naruto and move on from Sasuke, but the problem was she wasn't doing that by her own feelings. She was doing that all on Naruto's; an attempt to free the promise and be with him. I'm not trying to say she went there thinking she didn't love or have feelings for Naruto, though it seemed like she believed she could love Naruto romantically.

 

Sakura's issue is that the circumstances made her rush into all this too fast and that was why her confession to Naruto seemed insincere at times and why she failed to kill Sasuke. Yes, Sakura wants to love Naruto and move on from Sasuke. However, in both these cases she just wasn't ready. With Sasuke, she only recently acknowledged him as a criminal and all the wrong things he did; to add insult to injury everyone wanted him dead. Sakura couldn't just turn off her emotions and chose now to forget Part 1 Sasuke without any trouble even though she tried; Naruto was very right about this. The Kage Summit Arc made her want to move on, but she can't do it overnight. I feel like the fandom and Sakura herself expected too much from her.

 

As for Naruto ...  same. Sakura was rushing things and that's how it screwed up. I don't feel like she ever gave much thought to her feelings for him before. She knew she had complicated feelings for him, but she didn't know what it was. I think that aspect remained in her confession. I do believe Sakura loves Naruto, but I think it was too soon for her to be aware of it at the time of confession. To me, it wasn't a lie or a truth. That's my take on the matter.

 

Her confession is a troubling plot point for me too. This topic has been on my mind for a while now too.... 

 

I like your idea that is wasn't a lie or the truth. I tend to think that her choosing Naruto, hoping to sway him to return home, was part of her plan to protect Naruto/stop Sasuke/save-them-from-themselves-and-each-other, but when she actually confessed, it turned into something she hadn't quite bargained for: the truth about her own feelings (that she hadn't even admitted to herself). 

 

So I guess in that respect I don't think she lied, and I don't think she went there intending to manipulate with/lie to Naruto about her feelings. I think she went there with the goal of convincing Naruto to come home...and she realized her true feelings in the moment.  

 

So that's my take-away from the actual moment. And to me, that's in keeping with Sakura's character up to that point. But there's more that solidifies my belief:

 

The build-up: If you look at the build up, and you accept that her feelings have been steadily building, and you believe that outward expression of love toward Naruto (the hug, feeding ramen) are true and from the heart and not just out of friendship, then her stumbling on her feelings in the midst of pleading for Naruto to come home and put himself first before Sasuke for a change, rings true. It doesn't make sense that Sakura would let her true feelings show for the hug, but then somehow have mysteriously lost them by the time the confession rolls around. If you accept the idea of the build-up, then Sakura's confession is a logical stepping stone in that long path. Not something that's a manipulative lie or completely out of the blue.

 

Kishimoto's description of Sakura: This is the thing that gets me, the author actually describes her as a determined, honest girl. Honest. So why would he make her do this lying, manipulative thing if in fact she's supposed to be honest? Why would he so terribly undermine the heroine of his story? And in a way that breaks the heart of the hero? It doesn't make sense. So to me that says that there's more to the confession than what's on the surface. That if you believe she's lying, then her stumbling words on the surface back that up. But if you look at her character, you can see her true feelings behind her words.

 

No second confession: So because I think the truth was behind her words, I don't think Kishimoto will write a second confession. It wouldn't make sense. She said it all in her first one. The problem was that Naruto didn't believe her. Like I said, Sakura's confession is part of the long upwards climb of the build-up. Just because Naruto doesn't accept her feelings doesn't mean they stop. And when Naruto comes around and finally openly shows her affection (like a hug or a forehead kiss), her affection will be right there waiting for him.

 

Naruto's feelings: It is so often skipped over, but I think his behavior in the confession is the other side of the coin here. It is no less important than Sakura realizing her feelings for Naruto. The other point that was made in this confession was that Naruto was stuck in the past. He rebuffs Sakura by telling her he "hated people who lied to themselves." But really at that point Naruto was the only one who was lying to himself. Sakura had just come clean to herself and him about her changing feelings. But Naruto was still the one viciously clinging to the past. So much so that he soonafter hyperventilated and passed out while thinking about their old team and how radically everything changed. This didn't come from Sakura, that came from him. So I think the other side of the confession was to introduce Naruto to his own feelings, forcing him to recognize things he was refusing to see.

 

Another note about Naruto's feelings, in rl, if I ever said "I love you" to a guy and he came back with "I hate people who lie to themselves," I'd tell him off right there and never have a thing to do with him again. And I would tell any girl the same thing. Unequivocally. Someone like that is not worth your precious time. No matter how great they are supposed to be. 

 

Naruto's response to Sakura was cruel and crushing. And instead of knocking Naruto into next week like you would expect Sakura to do, she is stunned. But is doesn't diminish her feelings for him. Why? Because she understands the true intent behind his words. Not only does she still love him, but now she's saving him like her life depends on it.

 

It is such a double standard that it's perfectly okay for Sakura to accept Naruto's crappy words, seeing the intent behind them, while Naruto condemns her for her words, refusing to see her feelings behind them. 

 

I don't give Naruto a free pass for his behavior. But I don't think it will be apologized or even addressed. 

 

The best that I hope for is that when everything is resolved, the affection will come from him this time. He's the one person who's always held back, putting himself behind others (Sasuke) instead of reaching out and fighting for what he's wanted (Sakura). People hug Naruto, Naruto doesn't hug back. They reach out and touch him, but it doesn't go the other way. Sakura offered her love, but he wouldn't accept it.

 

So in the resolution, I hope he reaches out for Sakura and surprises her with affection for a change. That will show that he loves himself enough to love others, and to be loved in return.

 

Because I think the love Sakura has for him has always been there. The kind of love and devotion Sakura has is not something that was flipped on at the confession. 

 

I believe in the build up. 

 

So to me the confession isn't just a one-sided thing, but a mutual realization of the change in both their feelings. For Sakura, there's no turning back. Her admiration has steadily turned into love, and she no longer sees Naruto or Sasuke the way she did when she was a child. For Naruto, this pushes him to realize that he can no longer see things as a child either. 

[KeikoxYusuke]

Her confession is a troubling plot point for me too. This topic has been on my mind for a while now too.... 
 
I like your idea that is wasn't a lie or the truth. I tend to think that her choosing Naruto, hoping to sway him to return home, was part of her plan to protect Naruto/stop Sasuke/save-them-from-themselves-and-each-other, but when she actually confessed, it turned into something she hadn't quite bargained for: the truth about her own feelings (that she hadn't even admitted to herself). 
 
So I guess in that respect I don't think she lied, and I don't think she went there intending to manipulate with/lie to Naruto about her feelings. I think she went there with the goal of convincing Naruto to come home...and she realized her true feelings in the moment.  
 
So that's my take-away from the actual moment. And to me, that's in keeping with Sakura's character up to that point. But there's more that solidifies my belief:
 
The build-up: If you look at the build up, and you accept that her feelings have been steadily building, and you believe that outward expression of love toward Naruto (the hug, feeding ramen) are true and from the heart and not just out of friendship, then her stumbling on her feelings in the midst of pleading for Naruto to come home and put himself first before Sasuke for a change, rings true. It doesn't make sense that Sakura would let her true feelings show for the hug, but then somehow have mysteriously lost them by the time the confession rolls around. If you accept the idea of the build-up, then Sakura's confession is a logical stepping stone in that long path. Not something that's a manipulative lie or completely out of the blue.
 
Kishimoto's description of Sakura: This is the thing that gets me, the author actually describes her as a determined, honest girl. Honest. So why would he make her do this lying, manipulative thing if in fact she's supposed to be honest? Why would he so terribly undermine the heroine of his story? And in a way that breaks the heart of the hero? It doesn't make sense. So to me that says that there's more to the confession than what's on the surface. That if you believe she's lying, then her stumbling words on the surface back that up. But if you look at her character, you can see her true feelings behind her words.
 
No second confession: So because I think the truth was behind her words, I don't think Kishimoto will write a second confession. It wouldn't make sense. She said it all in her first one. The problem was that Naruto didn't believe her. Like I said, Sakura's confession is part of the long upwards climb of the build-up. Just because Naruto doesn't accept her feelings doesn't mean they stop. And when Naruto comes around and finally openly shows her affection (like a hug or a forehead kiss), her affection will be right there waiting for him.
 
Naruto's feelings: It is so often skipped over, but I think his behavior in the confession is the other side of the coin here. It is no less important than Sakura realizing her feelings for Naruto. The other point that was made in this confession was that Naruto was stuck in the past. He rebuffs Sakura by telling her he "hated people who lied to themselves." But really at that point Naruto was the only one who was lying to himself. Sakura had just come clean to herself and him about her changing feelings. But Naruto was still the one viciously clinging to the past. So much so that he soonafter hyperventilated and passed out while thinking about their old team and how radically everything changed. This didn't come from Sakura, that came from him. So I think the other side of the confession was to introduce Naruto to his own feelings, forcing him to recognize things he was refusing to see.
 
Another note about Naruto's feelings, in rl, if I ever said "I love you" to a guy and he came back with "I hate people who lie to themselves," I'd tell him off right there and never have a thing to do with him again. And I would tell any girl the same thing. Unequivocally. Someone like that is not worth your precious time. No matter how great they are supposed to be. 
 
Naruto's response to Sakura was cruel and crushing. And instead of knocking Naruto into next week like you would expect Sakura to do, she is stunned. But is doesn't diminish her feelings for him. Why? Because she understands the true intent behind his words. Not only does she still love him, but now she's saving him like her life depends on it.
 
It is such a double standard that it's perfectly okay for Sakura to accept Naruto's crappy words, seeing the intent behind them, while Naruto condemns her for her words, refusing to see her feelings behind them. 
 
I don't give Naruto a free pass for his behavior. But I don't think it will be apologized or even addressed. 
 
The best that I hope for is that when everything is resolved, the affection will come from him this time. He's the one person who's always held back, putting himself behind others (Sasuke) instead of reaching out and fighting for what he's wanted (Sakura). People hug Naruto, Naruto doesn't hug back. They reach out and touch him, but it doesn't go the other way. Sakura offered her love, but he wouldn't accept it.
 
So in the resolution, I hope he reaches out for Sakura and surprises her with affection for a change. That will show that he loves himself enough to love others, and to be loved in return.
 
Because I think the love Sakura has for him has always been there. The kind of love and devotion Sakura has is not something that was flipped on at the confession. 
 
I believe in the build up. 
 
So to me the confession isn't just a one-sided thing, but a mutual realization of the change in both their feelings. For Sakura, there's no turning back. She no longer sees Naruto or Sasuke the way she did when she was a child. For Naruto, this pushes him to realize that he can no longer see things as a child either.

that post was beautiful....*_*

[narusaku256]

Seeing Sakura's present reactions n her behavior I won't be surprised if she is slightly more than just happy because Naruto cheated death. If the reactions from 661, 662, 663 would have been carried on uptil now, then it was ok to estimate some NS moment. I don't think she would escalate so quickly in emotions. Nevertheless, I genuinely hope m proven wrong n we get to see if not major but even a mild NS moment

 

P.S-The scene showed by @soraandvan preferable XD

Edited by narusaku256, 26 February 2014 - 04:14 PM.

[六道仙人]

lol now they are comparing Minato to Hinata because both tripped and asking someone to save Naruto since they haven't forces ghghg.. And they share also the same nature.

[sushi.]

lol now they are comparing Minato to Hinata because both tripped and asking someone to save Naruto since they haven't forces ghghg.. And they share also the same nature.

I just hope the "sakura will go to sasuke and hinata will go to naruto" will end now, like how far can you go they're in another dimension for gods sake. :V

[melovechoco]

Hinata trip=minato trip...this is what we called 'parallel', people..

[PacificWater20]

Very nice post @tricksie. Never had I put together how Sakura's character is described as "honest", so that would in fact clear up quite a bit of the fog surrounding the confession. While we still aren't completely sure what Sakura's true intentions were with it, we can make an educated guess. All of these questions will be answered soon enough, though. I would say we could get some sort of address to the confession here shortly, with Naruto being brought back to life and all. Sakura may clear the air around the whole situation with her excitement of seeing Naruto alive and well again.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

@tricksie.
I think it's simple howeve complicated when you think about Sakura's feelings towards Sasuke my impression is that she wasnt thinking about her feelings for Naruto and it's shown during the moments of when she's reaching Naruto.
She was thinking about Naruto, Sasuke's path and what she should do from now on.
She evaluated Naruto but not her own feelings.
The buildup you commented on this topic is taken in consideration when she confesses to Naruto but however she does acknowledge that she didnt loved Naruto, so in fact there's still buildup for her to fall in love with Naruto it's not complete but close like Kishimoto suggested.
Also Kishi said Sakura has an honest expression (Carefull with that word) having an honest expression doesnt mean that someome is going to tell the truth or not people lie with an honest face and it happens everytime.
The problem is that people think that the fact Sakura lied to Naruto made her an horrible person, well they lied to each other on different occasions and Sakura also did the same expression when she said that Orochimaru hit her arm instead of telling it was Naruto on kyuubi's form.
Sakura is capable of lying to Naruto if it means that he will be safe or happy and that's the same impression she did on the confession.
This whole thing about saying Sakura is honest doesnt make invalid the fact she cant lie because she did it towards Naruto.

In my opinion her confession is a lie because her confession had nothing to do with her own feelings, her confession was purely and solely towards Naruto, and her telling Naruto that she didnt loved Sasuke anymore.
In fact she didnt loved Naruto but however she chose Naruto because that was the easiest route to bring Naruto home without having to kill Sasuke.

Continuing, i'll explain why i think it's simple, if we look at her motivations they are,h "Her mistakes", "The POAL", and "The pain she bought to Naruto".
Notice that Sasuke or the fact he's in Akatsuki are not part of her motivations which are shown thoughout her actions on the mini-arc.
She confessed towards Naruto with the intetion of lifting his burden, later goes to kill Sasuke with the intention of lifting Naruto's burden but could not kill Sasuke because she loved him.
On the two plan's (A, and B) Naruto was the reasoning so in a way, she wasnt doing a confession because of love rather because of guilty of the pain she bought towards Naruto.

>Naruto's response to Sakura was cruel and crushing.

I think it was predictable and Sakura knew about it.
Sakura is smart and intelligent, she had noticed that Naruto knows about her love for Sasuke, the POAL was again another of the moments where Naruto witnessed her love for Sasuke.
In fact after all the moments Naruto witnessed, a "Love You" would never be enough to convince Naruto that's why he wanted to bring Sasuke and confess to her later because she would have a choice and his heart will be able to know if she truly loves him or not.
The confession is bad because Sakura made it seems that she chose Naruto because she could not be with Sasuke which is proved by her own words "i dont care about him anymore", "he's criminal i cant love a criminal i'm not a child anymore".

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 26 February 2014 - 05:50 PM.

[MoonDrop04]

Hey Is It Wrong For Me To Say That I Don't Want Naruto Revived Right Now Cause It Feels Too Soon For That To Happen?? I Just Feel It Would Be Much Better Option To Revive Sasuke First and Then Have Naruto Wake Up In A More Epic Way.....

[sushi.]

Hey Is It Wrong For Me To Say That I Don't Want Naruto Revived Right Now Cause It Feels Too Soon For That To Happen?? I Just Feel It Would Be Much Better Option To Revive Sasuke First and Then Have Naruto Wake Up In A More Epic Way.....

I need plot progression. They can't stay dead forever, it's been 6 chapters already. I am ready.  Besides, Naruto's revival might trigger a NS moment and no one is there to interrupt it.

[BakeNeko-Chan]

 

I don't know what to tell you. I showed you the trope. It's right there. I don't get why you're still confused about it.

 

I don't get what's the issue with the statement. It means that people choose to kill who they love because they care enough for them to not let them become even more corrupted. Is something like this really new to you when it comes to fiction?

 

And of course people would love to choose other options when it comes to saving people. When they go with the kill option is because they are out of any other possible option that could lead to a good ending. Get it?

 

Sakura, in her mind, was out of alternatives to save Sasuke. She concluded that any other option but to kill him would endanger Naruto too much (bad ending), and since she valued Naruto's safety as a priority she resigned herself to the kill option.

 

Killing someone you care for to prevent them from becoming even more of a monster has been done in fiction too many times. It's an overused trope.

 

But I'm not confused, and I don't recall where I ever said I was. And I don't know what gave you the impression that I needed you to try to paint-by-the-numbers for me. Please read what I wrote carefully before putting words in my mouth or making assumptions.

 

You and I just have different views on the situation that apparently don't coincide. I don't believe Sakura was going to kill Sasuke "because she loves him" not when she couldn't kill him for the same reason. The whole thing contradicts itself. The way I see it, Sakura knew Sasuke was going to be killed either way and she didn't want anyone else to have to carry the burden, and she knew Naruto wouldn't be able to do it, so she took the burden on herself. She thought she could put aside her feelings and that was what made her believe she could kill Sasuke, but she realized too late that she couldn't follow through.

 

There are many overused tropes out there that make no sense but continue to be reused over and over again. This one in particular just happens to be one I don't agree with, at least not in the situation with Sakura and Sasuke. But that doesn't mean I don't acknowledge that it exists. Besides, I wasn't even talking about tropes to begin with, you were the one who brought that up.

 

Again, just to make it clear, I am not confused, my perspective of the situation is simply different than yours.

Edited by BakeNeko-Chan, 26 February 2014 - 06:30 PM.

[TheFirstEvil100]

lol now they are comparing Minato to Hinata because both tripped and asking someone to save Naruto since they haven't forces ghghg.. And they share also the same nature.

God now that is just very, very sad in my eyes I mean come on they are just sad. Now I know not all I like it I mean I know a few that can be nice and even they are going WTF with their own fans.