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[Codus N]

Analysis on Obama's speech on Libya.

What do you guys think???

Edited by Codus N, 29 March 2011 - 02:43 PM.

[catsi563]

Honestly I was satisfied with his answer.

He clearly and concisely presented why we were there, and what was expected of both us and our allies. He didnt act unilaterally as prior administrations did. He waited until their was not only international consensus but as he said a direct plea from the Libyan people.

Further more the Arab league also threw its hat in the ring on this one. Congress has its notificaton and explanation, and the people do as well so unlike Iraq and Afghanistan where Bush rejected Nato and other nations assistance we spent out time getting that assistance early so there would be international consensus in the first place.

As he bascially stated had we waited khaddafy would have murdered untold numbers of civillians and other dictators would have followed suit and mass slaughter of populations would have ensued upon any uprising. At least now we not only draw a bright red line, but we have the world community behind us as well.

[Nick Soapdish]

This isn't really in response to anything in particular other than that we're in the middle of another military action, but I really like the job that Robert Gates has done as Secretary of Defense and I'm a bit nervous about his potential successor. I wasn't a strong supporter of his initially, mainly just saying "at least Rumsfeld is out", but he's really won me over.

[Sakura Blossoms]

Omg, they just need to kick Scott Walker and his Republican allies out of office. They have now thoroughly pissed off a judge by trying to go around her court order to put that ridiculous law of theirs on hold:

http://news.yahoo.co...n_budget_unions

[catsi563]

Yeah I love the two stepping BS they used to justify it.

It has to be enforced because they published it in a local news paper hence its law.

But it doesnt defy the judges order because the newspaper they published it in wasnt the official newspaper in which laws are published

So it has to be law, but it doesnt violate the judges ruling becauser they used a different newspaper???????

[Sakura Blossoms]

Yeah I love the two stepping BS they used to justify it.

It has to be enforced because they published it in a local news paper hence its law.

But it doesnt defy the judges order because the newspaper they published it in wasnt the official newspaper in which laws are published

So it has to be law, but it doesnt violate the judges ruling becauser they used a different newspaper???????

Jeebus

[Nick Soapdish]

I can't believe that it looks like a state came off worse than Florida with their new governor. At least in Florida, when the governor tries to break the laws, the legislature occasionally complains.

[catsi563]

Please dont get me started on Florida. We have crook for a govenor. Im sorry but you dont plead the Fifth 75 times in a deposition unless your sure you're gonna go to jail.


Hes a corporate politician and running the place like a ceo. and considering the last time he was ceo he was responsible for the largest medicair fraud in history and the largest fine as well. I cant wait to hear that hes raiding peoples pension plans becuase of an "" economic emergency""

Also hes cut 1.75 billion in education from k-12, supposedly to balance the budget. unfortunately he replaced it with 1.82 billion in tax breaks for corporations. So in effect he made the defecit worse.

Add in that hes put on hold the Suntrans project and denied the federaly funded high speed rail line both of which were approved by the state legislature, and ready to go, and both of which would have created numerous jobs.

Edit update:

A new poll shows that Scott is worse then we thought. How bad you ask?

A new poll shows that if the election were held today Scott would lose to democratic challenger Alex Sink by 19 points 37% to 56%

Hes not the only one. Walker would lose to his democratic challenger 47-52, and kasich would lose by 13 points.

Edited by catsi563, 30 March 2011 - 11:55 PM.

[Insurrection]

This is the Story of a man, a man named Terry Jones, the preacher who last year decided he was going to burn the Quran on 9/11 because of the Islamic Center/Mosque being built near the World Trade Center Site. After a large amount of international condemnation, AND WARNINGS BY THE UNITED STATES GOVERNMENT, he decided to postpone this event.

However after a few months he decides to hold his "trial" against Islam and found it guilty of being violent, and then he and his 50 followers Burned the Koran last Sunday Though under the first amendment he's able to do so.

However he was stupid enough to celebrate his accomplishment and put it on the web AND SATELLITE TV and people found out, in Afghanistan.

http://www.huffingto...d_n_843562.html

http://www.thedailyb...d=hp:mainpromo2

20 UN workers were killed, two beheaded halfway around the world because of a obnoxious pastor annouced he burned the Koran.

Edited by Insurrection, 02 April 2011 - 06:31 AM.

[Codus N]

MOTHERkittenIN' SONOFAkitten!!! I for one wouldn't mind if his kitten were blown to bits by some terrorists. HOW THE HELL DID THE FED MISS THIS!!!! maybe he took advantage of the chaos in the middle east and knew this was the perfect chance to do it since the govt would be too busy to notice what he's trying to do. And oh, did I forget to say that this is also going to make matters in the middle east worse than it has been??? I dunno about you guys, but it looks like we're definitely going into WWIII.

Edited by Codus N, 02 April 2011 - 06:22 AM.

[Strangelove]

Well, maybe some Muslims should go to his house and burn his bible.

Also, Afghanistan has a violent moment...? wow...the whole thing is stupid, we are led to believe Islam is a violent religion, truth is almost all religions are violent, it depends as to who controls the government. Whether is Zealot Christian lunatics like what we have in America, or whether is Islamist extremists like Iran.

Edited by Strangelove, 02 April 2011 - 03:26 PM.

[Insurrection]

Well looks like they're still protesting because of Jones' Koran burning. These started in one of Afghanistan's 'safer' cities I think the Taliban siezed it to use momentum, but nice going guy.


And the reaction is still too crazy on its own

http://www.msnbc.msn...d_central_asia/

Edited by Insurrection, 03 April 2011 - 05:04 PM.

[Sakura Blossoms]

Government shutdown has once again arrived. Who will come out unscathed this time? Democrats, or will the Republicans lose again like they did with the last major government shutdown. Somehow, I think both parties are going to take the brunt of the blame this time around:

http://news.yahoo.co...cm_csm/374778_1

[Insurrection]

Government shutdown has once again arrived. Who will come out unscathed this time? Democrats, or will the Republicans lose again like they did with the last major government shutdown. Somehow, I think both parties are going to take the brunt of the blame this time around:

http://news.yahoo.co...cm_csm/374778_1

Haven't they learned anything from another great American Institution, the NFL!?! Lockouts Don't Work if no one likes either side you only lose fans!

Edited by Insurrection, 06 April 2011 - 05:50 AM.

[Strangelove]

Government shutdown has once again arrived. Who will come out unscathed this time? Democrats, or will the Republicans lose again like they did with the last major government shutdown. Somehow, I think both parties are going to take the brunt of the blame this time around:

http://news.yahoo.co...cm_csm/374778_1

Agrees ^^

This is the first time i been to a govt shutdown? Does the whole country looses its mind?

Edited by Strangelove, 06 April 2011 - 05:54 AM.

[catsi563]

Not really it didnt in 1995 but with the economy still recovering like it is, a shutdown will cause a lot fo uncertianty which speculators will flock to like a fish to water. Thisll cause prices to rise astronomically and everything to go crazy.

Plus with many various and assorted government functionaries out of work the bureacracy will slow down to a virtual crawl. military service men and women wont get payed nor will benefits be available. Social security will still be paid but new applicants will be delayed for an unknown amount of time.

Both dems and repubs will take some blame for it but repubs will once again take the Lions share this time around since they are not only calling for it like it was some game, but there stubborn refusal to negotiate at all will cost them. Compromise is a two way street and theyre driving down the wrong side.

Add in that their so called budget plan represnts a massive and unabashed attack on the middle class and you have a party that is close to seeing its last sunset politically.

The irony is that with Dems unwilling to fight and Repubs fighting too hard independants are going to start having to step up and if they do youll see both parties rapidly drop off.

[Nick Soapdish]

Please dont get me started on Florida. We have crook for a govenor. Im sorry but you dont plead the Fifth 75 times in a deposition unless your sure you're gonna go to jail.


Hes a corporate politician and running the place like a ceo. and considering the last time he was ceo he was responsible for the largest medicair fraud in history and the largest fine as well. I cant wait to hear that hes raiding peoples pension plans becuase of an "" economic emergency""

Also hes cut 1.75 billion in education from k-12, supposedly to balance the budget. unfortunately he replaced it with 1.82 billion in tax breaks for corporations. So in effect he made the defecit worse.

Add in that hes put on hold the Suntrans project and denied the federaly funded high speed rail line both of which were approved by the state legislature, and ready to go, and both of which would have created numerous jobs.

Edit update:

A new poll shows that Scott is worse then we thought. How bad you ask?

A new poll shows that if the election were held today Scott would lose to democratic challenger Alex Sink by 19 points 37% to 56%

Hes not the only one. Walker would lose to his democratic challenger 47-52, and kasich would lose by 13 points.

Don't get me wrong. I'm a state employee and I have the same contempt for him that he has for us. But at least he doesn't have the Republican legislature acting like his lapdog. Instead, they complain when he breaks laws such as selling the state plane and using the money for his pet projects instead of following the budget set by the legislature. He seems to think that state revenues are his kitty.

I may have spoken a bit too soon about the Florida legislature's respect for the constitution. In addition to the ridiculous ideas such as putting golf courses in state parks when about 300 golf courses have closed in Florida over the last couple years and existing golf courses are still hurting for customers (thankfully withdrawn) or the bill to prevent local governments from passing gun control laws, making the politicians that enact regulations subject to harsh fines (might be unconstitutional, but who would want to risk it?), they want to restrict the court's ability to regulate amendments.

The Florida Legislature has complained in the past about the ease of the constitutional amendment process in Florida, claiming that it binds their hands. They are also the biggest proponent of amendments, submitting six to be on the ballot just last year. However, 3 of their 6 got knocked off by the courts due to vague and misleading language and 4 of the last 5 of theirs that have been challenged.

As a voter who has frequently faced amendments, I assure you that the amendments are confusing (and not just theirs). It doesn't even have to be deliberate, but trying to summarize an amendment into a title and short paragraph is tough. Legislators can get around that in bills by giving them whatever misleading name that they want because the legislators are supposed to take the time to actually read them - or at least have their staffs do it. But when they have a paragraph that talks about property tax reform (removing residency requirements, introducing portability in two forms and raising the homestead exemption) or concurrency laws, I'm stumped and I'm only confident about the ones that I've researched before the election. They do give you a sample ballot for that, but the ballot itself isn't helpful. And these are the ones that the court has allowed.

The bigger issue is that the legislature wants to pass a law to restrict judicial authority. Wouldn't that require a constitutional amendment?

Government shutdown has once again arrived. Who will come out unscathed this time? Democrats, or will the Republicans lose again like they did with the last major government shutdown. Somehow, I think both parties are going to take the brunt of the blame this time around:

http://news.yahoo.co...cm_csm/374778_1

I agree. I still don't understand why the Democrats couldn't or wouldn't get it passed in the lame duck session or even before the election. It's also weird that they've apparently settled on a dollar figure, but not the exact cuts. If it's about specific programs, then the dollar figure should be immaterial. The specific figure is more central for deficit reduction. I'll be a bit charitable and assume that maybe the Democrats say that there are X programs that absolutely can't be cut, but they'll cut $33M of them anyway.

It's also kinda funny that the dollar figure is the original one that Boehner had proposed before the Tea Partiers rebelled on him.

[catsi563]

Scott walker appearntly doesnt think that nepotism and croneyism applies to him.

The word for the day is nepotism can yous ay nepotism? i knew you could.

[Sakura Blossoms]

Republicans and Democrats need to get their acts together and do what they need to do to prevent this shutdown:

http://finance.yahoo...374261.html?x=0

[Greed-Sama]

Republicans and Democrats need to get their acts together and do what they need to do to prevent this shutdown:

http://finance.yahoo...374261.html?x=0

Lol. You know even though my father will be losing his paycheck if this happens, I think this is rather humorous in the dark humor kind of way. Seriously our government has a habit of irritating me, both Republicans and Democrats so the blame is spread evenly across the board.