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[Qia]

A NaruHina fan told me that, had Sakura been the one to hold hands with Naruto, we would be reacting 100% differently than we are now. This made me curious. How would we have reacted had it have been Sakura that held hands with Naruto? Would we have considered it a mutual moment?

To me, the difference would be that Naruto and Sakura have a different relationship than Naruto and Hinata do. In the case of Naruto and Hinata, we don't know whether or not Naruto has any feelings for her that are beyond friendship. In fact, we have to come to the conclusion that he still loves Sakura because, so far, he hasn't stated otherwise. In Naruto and Sakura's case, the person in question is Sakura. While we know that Sakura still loves Sasuke, it's also a cannon fact that Sakura's feelings for Naruto have changed.

So, is it bias to say that the same moment occurring between Naruto and Sakura would be more romantic than it was between Naruto and Hinata?

Personally, I can't really say because it depends. Why? Because Naruto and Sakura have a closer relationship, so it's hard for me to say how Naruto would have reacted if it was Sakura instead. If Sakura was saying the same words as Hinata (basically it was just a pep talk) then no I still wouldn't declare Narusaku canon from it, especially if Naruto's reaction was the same as the actual chapter. But again...if Naruto's reaction was like "Sakura's holding my hand" and if Sakura had blushed or something (no straight face about it at all), then yea I would have a different reaction and no I wouldn't consider it biased. If her reaction was really normal about it and there was a different reaction then yes it would be biased to me. It's really hard to say >.<

Edited by Qia, 31 December 2012 - 12:18 AM.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

A NaruHina fan told me that, had Sakura been the one to hold hands with Naruto, we would be reacting 100% differently than we are now. This made me curious. How would we have reacted had it have been Sakura that held hands with Naruto? Would we have considered it a mutual moment?

To me, the difference would be that Naruto and Sakura have a different relationship than Naruto and Hinata do. In the case of Naruto and Hinata, we don't know whether or not Naruto has any feelings for her that are beyond friendship. In fact, we have to come to the conclusion that he still loves Sakura because, so far, he hasn't stated otherwise. In Naruto and Sakura's case, the person in question is Sakura. While we know that Sakura still loves Sasuke, it's also a cannon fact that Sakura's feelings for Naruto have changed.

So, is it bias to say that the same moment occurring between Naruto and Sakura would be more romantic than it was between Naruto and Hinata?

Nope, because it wasnt about love and it would be OOC for Sakura to remind Naruto's about his ninja way, Sakura has her own and her development is not about it, that scene when she hugged Naruto was an acknowledgement no one could give that hug only her it had a symbolism of Naruto, he seemed surprised like her hug touched his heart.

Yes, because the way Naruto hold her hand, and i doubt sakura would make comments about Naruto's hand.

[sushi.]

A NaruHina fan told me that, had Sakura been the one to hold hands with Naruto, we would be reacting 100% differently than we are now. This made me curious. How would we have reacted had it have been Sakura that held hands with Naruto? Would we have considered it a mutual moment?

To me, the difference would be that Naruto and Sakura have a different relationship than Naruto and Hinata do. In the case of Naruto and Hinata, we don't know whether or not Naruto has any feelings for her that are beyond friendship. In fact, we have to come to the conclusion that he still loves Sakura because, so far, he hasn't stated otherwise. In Naruto and Sakura's case, the person in question is Sakura. While we know that Sakura still loves Sasuke, it's also a cannon fact that Sakura's feelings for Naruto have changed.

So, is it bias to say that the same moment occurring between Naruto and Sakura would be more romantic than it was between Naruto and Hinata?

If you kiss your mother on the cheek, it's not romantic, If you kiss your girlfriend on the cheek, it is. It depends, but yes, I think it would be bias.

I don't think this was a romantic moment from Naruto's side, because I don't think he would've acted romantically during the war. (Especially after his friend just died!! ) If so, I would be utterly disappointed in him. Hinata however, I didn't expect more of her..I don't like her and do not hold any high expectations because of that, nor do I care.

The bolded is why I could actually like Sakura holding Naruto's hand instead. (It wouldn't be right to replace her in this moment though). It's just because it shows how deep their bond is, and that they holding hands are not a big deal for them. For me, it would almost flow along with their relationship. Instead of how shocked Naruto looks whenever Hinata approach him close enough. Because I feel like Hinata would "invade" Naruto's intimatacy limit by doing so, and Sakura wouldn't.

Edited by sushi., 31 December 2012 - 12:16 AM.

[Slextrem]

I have a question, how many of you still think NaruHina is cannon? A large number of people did when the chapter first came out.

It's not cannon. It has a higher chance of becoming cannon, and it very well could become cannon, but for now it's not. We still need to see Naruto's perspective of the situation to clarify.

[HalfStarStudios]

A NaruHina fan told me that, had Sakura been the one to hold hands with Naruto, we would be reacting 100% differently than we are now. This made me curious. How would we have reacted had it have been Sakura that held hands with Naruto? Would we have considered it a mutual moment?

To me, the difference would be that Naruto and Sakura have a different relationship than Naruto and Hinata do. In the case of Naruto and Hinata, we don't know whether or not Naruto has any feelings for her that are beyond friendship. In fact, we have to come to the conclusion that he still loves Sakura because, so far, he hasn't stated otherwise. In Naruto and Sakura's case, the person in question is Sakura. While we know that Sakura still loves Sasuke, it's also a cannon fact that Sakura's feelings for Naruto have changed.

So, is it bias to say that the same moment occurring between Naruto and Sakura would be more romantic than it was between Naruto and Hinata?

It would be different because there would be no other reasons for her to hold his hand unlike Naruto holding Hinata's hand.

[Luna]

hmmmm I could so see obito attacking kakashi and Sakura jumped in front of kaakshi and get hit in the chest like Rin and obito will have some form of nostalgia and naruto gonna be all angry and sh** while kakashi will be too shocked to do anything( Sakura is always with kakashi in the recent chapters) then Sakura WILL BE REVIVED!!!

[TouKen4Life3g]

To answer two questions:

First of all, do I believe NH is canon? No, I never did. It needs a follow-up to prove that this is a real deal. The reason why it needs one is because Naruto didn't show any love look as to say the feeding scene, and honestly, you can't really say that there's no time. He can blush during the battle, just not going all love. He didn't do that at all. To make it work, it needs a follow-up starting with Naruto since he's the one with no feelings for her. I'm surprised Kuruma didn't bother to compare Hinata with Kushina or anything. The chapter is clear with fanservice: it's about Naruto being connected to everyone.

Now the next question is that if it happens to Sakura, would I think differently? Not really to be honest. I will see it as a moment like how I see it for NH, but not a declared winner. It's all about the presentation of that scene. Actually, Sakura wouldn't fit all that well for this scene and if it's not romantic at all, then it's ok with me because Hinata needs to grow up and she did it in here. She is like a mirror of Naruto, so you can say a image of himself tell him to get a grip. It's like if a superhero lose all hope and a fan tells him to get back up and remember your way. Sakura does have a different bond with Naruto, which is why it's lovely. Bottom line, I wouldn't think any different. All depends on the image.

[Branden]

hmmmm I could so see obito attacking kakashi and Sakura jumped in front of kaakshi and get hit in the chest like Rin and obito will have some form of nostalgia and naruto gonna be all angry and sh** while kakashi will be too shocked to do anything( Sakura is always with kakashi in the recent chapters) then Sakura WILL BE REVIVED!!!

*sigh*
Do you really want a person to have an impactful death just to be revived AGAIN? It happens too much and honestly I'm beginning to have doubts if Neji is dead permanently or not.

[Don-kun]

"I will never let go of your hand"
Naruto didnt said this.

"their mutual desires for gaining acknowledgement "
Naruto didnt worked to have Hinata's acknowledgement.

"This will a be spot for Hinata's growth and development as a character, deepening the friendship bond she has with Naruto."
Disagree again, her development is her having her own determination and she had it.

But he made good points, but still i disagree with her development part, mutual acknowledgment and deepening the friendship bond with Naruto is not a part of her development, this war just states her growing as someome who does not need to depend of being cheer up and in need of confidence boosts all the time, she must be strong if she wants to be the leader of her clan, she must have her own resolution if she wants to surpass Neji.

Her moment to shine was the moment she didnt needed a confidence boost when Neji's died, she didnt needed a cheer up.

"Naruto rejecting her would hurt her?"
There's no greater pain to be with someome that you love but does not love you back, Naruto loves Sakura.

I don't know if I should

or

Hinata always wanted to be acknowledge by Naruto and Naruto always wanted to be acknowledge by others (Village).
She also say that Naruto and Hinata will deepens their bond, that way Hinata can finally see Naruto has a person.
The views she made on her post are one of the best views I've read regarding this chapter.
In the end she believes that Kishi would not focus on Sakura feelings for Naruto and the development they have to toss it aside.

No disrespect, to you, but I think you should fully understand the users post before you judge her that way.



@Slextrem
I've happy and a lot more confident, but like I mention before after Sakura feelings for Sasuke are resolve is the only way I've sure that NS will be the end pairing.

[Luna]

*sigh*
Do you really want a person to have an impactful death just to be revived AGAIN? It happens too much and honestly I'm beginning to have doubts if Neji is dead permanently or not.

I wouldn't want sakura to be permanently dead...

[TouKen4Life3g]

To me, if ending NH happens here, it's pretty much settle that NS will happen. Otherwise, what's the point to end NH only to bring it back at the end as to say, "Um, Hinata, I decided to like you more than friend." Also, like others had said, if this battle or arc ends in a high note on NS, then that settles it. Not to mention that Naruto never let go on anything. Feel free to disagree.

[kirabook]

No, I doubt believe it was canon and maybe it'd be a good idea to make a poll and get a good idea of what the overall fanbase thinks.

As for if it were Sakura doing this instead of Hinata, I think it would be a NS moment. Maybe it is my bias speaking, but Sakura doesn't need development like Hinata needs development. This was a moment for Hinata to get closer to Sakura's level of encouraging Naruto and being supportive. Sakura is already supportive, if it had been her doing this, it would just be further progression for the NS we already see. As the situation stands now, I feel that this has only built a foundation for NH that NS built a long time ago.

From Hinata's perspective, it is romantic. She commented on his big warm hand after all. I only consider something a pairing moment if both sides are progressing towards each other, as in, there's interactions on a mutual non-dense level of understanding. NS has had plenty of moments like that, whereas Hinata and Naruto haven't really had any, this most recent being their first interaction that is not exactly romantic, but as most of us agree, something we expected Sakura to do for Naruto.

[Don-kun]

I don't know if this has been posted, but here you go:

http://browse.devian...ku 615#/d5prd1g

It's a very good read, and it's coming from a NaruHina fan (although admitted to be more neutral than the rest).

Just like Slextrem amazing video, I recommend all of you people to go and read this.

ASAP.

All of our point has being pointed out on her post with some plus.

[StriderC]

A NaruHina fan told me that, had Sakura been the one to hold hands with Naruto, we would be reacting 100% differently than we are now. This made me curious. How would we have reacted had it have been Sakura that held hands with Naruto? Would we have considered it a mutual moment?

To me, the difference would be that Naruto and Sakura have a different relationship than Naruto and Hinata do. In the case of Naruto and Hinata, we don't know whether or not Naruto has any feelings for her that are beyond friendship. In fact, we have to come to the conclusion that he still loves Sakura because, so far, he hasn't stated otherwise. In Naruto and Sakura's case, the person in question is Sakura. While we know that Sakura still loves Sasuke, it's also a cannon fact that Sakura's feelings for Naruto have changed.

So, is it bias to say that the same moment occurring between Naruto and Sakura would be more romantic than it was between Naruto and Hinata?

Of course it would be different given their status, and Naruto's feelings for her. It wouldn't even have been played the same way because Obito would of likely noticed there that Naruto LOVES Sakura.

[PhenixElite]

Just like Slextrem amazing video, I recommend all of you people to go and read this.

ASAP.

All of our point has being pointed out on her post with some plus.

Yup, that post is really awesome, everyone who is loosing hope should read ti.

[TouKen4Life3g]

Just like Slextrem amazing video, I recommend all of you people to go and read this.

ASAP.

All of our point has being pointed out on her post with some plus.

I finally read it and wow, I am shocked. That's something I wish I will see after the pairing war ends. While there are some parts (barely) I disagree, that's not something you should stop at. The main point is that it was targeting Hinata's development, not NH. While nice to see both of them in there, that's not the point. The user also pointed out that Kuruma is the one that really filled in the rest of 50%. Like after Hinata finished talking, Naruto wasn't that sure about it and Kuruma needed to connect the dot for him. I recommend everyone to read it. You may disagree on some parts, the overall is what captured me to read more and more.

[StriderC]

hmmmm I could so see obito attacking kakashi and Sakura jumped in front of kaakshi and get hit in the chest like Rin and obito will have some form of nostalgia and naruto gonna be all angry and sh** while kakashi will be too shocked to do anything( Sakura is always with kakashi in the recent chapters) then Sakura WILL BE REVIVED!!!

I just want to say... I kittenin' love your signature. One of the best KO punches she's ever delivered. ^^

[Candleguy]

A NaruHina fan told me that, had Sakura been the one to hold hands with Naruto, we would be reacting 100% differently than we are now. This made me curious. How would we have reacted had it have been Sakura that held hands with Naruto? Would we have considered it a mutual moment?

To me, the difference would be that Naruto and Sakura have a different relationship than Naruto and Hinata do. In the case of Naruto and Hinata, we don't know whether or not Naruto has any feelings for her that are beyond friendship. In fact, we have to come to the conclusion that he still loves Sakura because, so far, he hasn't stated otherwise. In Naruto and Sakura's case, the person in question is Sakura. While we know that Sakura still loves Sasuke, it's also a cannon fact that Sakura's feelings for Naruto have changed.

So, is it bias to say that the same moment occurring between Naruto and Sakura would be more romantic than it was between Naruto and Hinata?

Well some bias will always come into play unfortunately.

But's like you said if that scene was reversed you'd have to acknowledge that Sakura's feeling have changed for Naruto. Something that has been in doubt forever. So let's say Sakura delivered Hinata's exact same lines. or she touched Naruto's face in the exact same way.

It would confirm Sakura's feelings and unless Naruto outright rejected her there, we would all think it's over for good reasons. Because reasonable people did not question if Naruto still loved Sakura, but we all had to question Sakura's feelings.


Chapt 615 while a big NH moment, may have emphasized the strength of Hinata's feelings once again, but it really did not do much to confirm Narutp's romantic intentions.

That's the difference.

Next time someone ask you that ask then what they would think if we not only reversed the people but switched them. As in Hinata was Naruto and Naruto was Sakura. And Naruto was helping Sakura "man up"

Would they concede NS canon if Sakura acted the exact same way Naruto did?


They would treat it as we did

Edited by Candleguy, 31 December 2012 - 01:20 AM.

[Arachnia]

Well some bias will always come into play unfortunately.

But's like you said if that scene was reversed you'd have to acknowledge that Sakura's feeling have changed for Naruto. Something that has been in doubt forever. So let's say Sakura delivered Hinata's exact same lines. or she touched Naruto's face in the exact same way.

It would confirm Sakura's feelings and unless Naruto outright rejected her there, we would all think it's over for good reasons. Because reasonable people did not question if Naruto still loved Sakura, but we all had to question Sakura's feelings.


Chapt 615 while a big NH moment, may have emphasized the strength of Hinata's feelings once again, but it really did not do much to confirm Narutp's romantic intentions.

That's the difference.

Next time someone ask you that ask then what they would think if we not only reversed the people but switched them. As in Hinata was Naruto and Naruto was Sakura. And Naruto was helping Sakura "man up"

Would they concede NS canon if Sakura acted the exact same way Naruto did?


They would treat it as we did

idd but even so did we forget hinata already confessed too naruto is that not a way bigger step then holding hands hint i mean telling some 1 i love you is almost sealing the deal

[Qia]

To me, if ending NH happens here, it's pretty much settle that NS will happen. Otherwise, what's the point to end NH only to bring it back at the end as to say, "Um, Hinata, I decided to like you more than friend." Also, like others had said, if this battle or arc ends in a high note on NS, then that settles it. Not to mention that Naruto never let go on anything. Feel free to disagree.

Well I'm not about to celebrate, but I agree that Naruto going back to Hinata like that wouldn't make sense. If hand holding doesn't do it for him then...