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#14921 Inferno180

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Posted 23 February 2014 - 10:57 PM

I find it funny how Kishi actually did follow up on what he said in that interview long ago at the end of part 1 in 2005-06 (in Japan, in the U.S. around mid 2007, when we had the pre shippuden fillers, viz was rushing and getting 3 volumes out at quarters until they reached the final volumes of part 1 in december of 2007 before volume 28 hit the U.S. in march 08) Anyways in that interview when the interviewers asked him about the unretiquted love ordeal, when he did say one thing may occur, well I am honestly suprised he went through with it as NS, I mean at the end of part 1, you could say NS and NH were even, NS was cemented by the promise as a big part of the plot, while NH had an opportunity due to the events after the chunin exams but with all this focus on NS, well its funny how fans reacted.

 

I mean Kushina's foreshadow was an indicator he made good on that old interview, I'm not sure what he said exactly, if he said maybe or at least one there, but whatever the case he made it clear there would be one canon pairing, one half naruto, the other a girl like kushina and well, I still find it funny how some NH and SS clung to this saying it would be NH, though it was obvious who Kushina was like. The 631 came, the internet crashed, riots broke out, the fire nation attacked, north korea became a free nation, and the second coming of all religious figures occurred simultaneously creating a traffic jam to the various versions of the afterlife. Thats essentially what 631 did in a nutshell. and after that, many said this foreshadow didn't matter. At this point, if another Kushina or even rin relation to Sakura comes up, well what are people going to expect? With Obito possibly going to give Yin kurama back, he may just get enough strength to stand up, assimilate black zetsu into his own being (remember obito is part zetsu, this is why black zetsu was able to control or merge with him, so in theory if he could do this then he could possibly become the shortest yin kurama jinchurki). Well despite the number 666 having a bad omen, it would be funny to see either a 666 satan reference (from kishi to his brother, I'd expect some artwork if anything given the family relation and chapter number, maybe something like the recent eslyium artwork kishi did?) otherwise some people would expect more despair to occur in the chapter. Though it seems things were brighter for a short time since this recent chapter ended.



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Posted 23 February 2014 - 11:05 PM

 

I'm waiting for the day to see this happen as well. 

Well this last few chapters certainly foreshadowed that and that ObiRin parallel :)  i wonder how their confessions will be played out and when before or after the Naru vs Sasu fight any head canons guys ?


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Posted 24 February 2014 - 12:25 AM

Well this last few chapters certainly foreshadowed that and that ObiRin parallel :)  i wonder how their confessions will be played out and when before or after the Naru vs Sasu fight any head canons guys ?


It depends on the situation, I think Naruto and Sakura will have a conversation similar to Tsunade and Jiraiya before he goes to battle Sasuke. Then after the fight, Naruto returns completely beat up almost like the Pain Arc, and she gives him a giant hug with tears down her eyes.

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Posted 24 February 2014 - 12:37 AM

ok this is a bit off topic but I found it and thought it was hilarious and wanted to share it.

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Posted 24 February 2014 - 12:49 AM

Hey, I would really appreciate if anyone could trasnlate these two panels for me:

 

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I've run across the argument that Naruto is saying here that Naruto is dropping the promise or saying that it doesn't matter to him anymore.  And I just wanted to be positive on what exactly Naruto is saying, since I have seen conflicting fan scanlations of these lines.

 

Thanks in advance! :-)

 

約束の問題じゃねーんだ
This isn't a matter of promise.

サクラちゃんとの約束がなくなっても  関係ねーよ
It doesn't have to do with with your promise, Sakura-chan...
even it's still valid or not.

 

I am not sure if I have translated very well the last part in eng. The core of Naruto's speech is that whatever the promise to her is still ongoing or not, all this didn't have to do with that. Naruto wasn't trying to save Sasuke because of that promise, as thought by Sakura for mistake at the first. Anyway I just took a liberal way there because it wasn't so esplicite in original.


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Posted 24 February 2014 - 01:18 AM

 

約束の問題じゃねーんだ
This isn't a matter of promise.

サクラちゃんとの約束がなくなっても  関係ねーよ
It doesn't have to do with with your promise, Sakura-chan...
even it's still valid or not.

 

I am not sure if I have translated very well the last part in eng. The core of Naruto's speech is that whatever the promise to her is still ongoing or not, all this didn't have to do with that. Naruto wasn't trying to save Sasuke because of that promise, as thought by Sakura for mistake at the first. Anyway I just took a liberal way there because it wasn't so esplicite in original.

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Posted 24 February 2014 - 01:33 AM

can anyone translate this 

 

twitterでの人気(いずれもトップユーザー) 海外 sakura haruno→フォロワー11,612人 hinata hyuga→フォロワー1,852人 日本 春野サクラ→フォロワー873人 日向ヒナタ→フォロワー500人 ヒナタなんぞ2chでしか人気ないのよ

 

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Posted 24 February 2014 - 01:38 AM

can anyone translate this 

 and thanks ^_^

I think it compares the popularity of Hinata and Sakura, based on number of followers. Metnions 2chan and twitter. (or something)

 

why is this important


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Posted 24 February 2014 - 01:59 AM

I so want this to happen  :nslove: it looks so real such an amazing art 

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This is wonderful.

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Posted 24 February 2014 - 02:11 AM

I think it compares the popularity of Hinata and Sakura, based on number of followers. Metnions 2chan and twitter. (or something)

 

why is this important

oh It is about popular!! thank you.


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Posted 24 February 2014 - 03:19 AM

I so want this to happen  :nslove: it looks so real such an amazing art 

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I have a feeling that it will happen.


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Posted 24 February 2014 - 03:40 AM

 

約束の問題じゃねーんだ
This isn't a matter of promise.

サクラちゃんとの約束がなくなっても  関係ねーよ
It doesn't have to do with with your promise, Sakura-chan...
even it's still valid or not.

 

I am not sure if I have translated very well the last part in eng. The core of Naruto's speech is that whatever the promise to her is still ongoing or not, all this didn't have to do with that. Naruto wasn't trying to save Sasuke because of that promise, as thought by Sakura for mistake at the first. Anyway I just took a liberal way there because it wasn't so esplicite in original.

I would say : "Even without this promise with you Sakura-chan, (it wouldn't change anything) it has nthing to do with it"

@Sindy: Sushi's right. It's comparing Sakura and Hinata's popularity on twitter in foreigners countries and in Japan. And in each cases, Sakura has more followers. 


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Posted 24 February 2014 - 06:30 AM

I'm sad to say it, but at this point I feel that NauSaku must happen for me to feel satisfied with the end of this manga. I believe and hope that it will, but the threat of an open ending (mostly due to a threat of NaruHina fan backlash and plummeting residual sales) has been nagging the back of mind lately, so I thought I would reaffirm my reasons for believing in NaruSaku by putting them into words.

 

#1 - I think that it's obvious to most of us on this site that Kishimoto has been planning NaruSaku since the very beginning. Many point to the facts that this is a Shounen manga and Kishimoto has mentioned not caring so much about romance in past interviews. However, in reviewing some of Kishimoto's interviews, I have concluded that, at times, he intentionally feigns a lack of interest and foresight into certain aspects of the manga to thrown off speculation. For instance, saying that he has no plan to defeat Madara recently. If he would have said this in Part 1, I might have believed it, but at this stage in the game, there's no way he couldn't have at least an outline of the events. He has been working toward this for more than a decade. And while the intricate details maybe worked out closer to publication, I can't conceive that he wouldn't have something in mind. Kishimoto could have left love out and focused on friendship from the very beginning, but he didn't. He created the Team 7 love triangle from the onset. To what end? Having the heroine of the story end up with a guy that at best has not acknowledged her virtues throughout the story? Having the hero give up on his dream girl and instead settling for a girl that has more of fixation on him than deep and profound feelings? A character that may not have been nearly as consquential if she had not drawn such fan support. The answer is NO! This is Kishimoto's story, Naruto is its' hero, and Naruto is in love with Sakura. Not just because she thought he was cute or because of her impressive skills in Part 2, but because she sought acknowledgement from Sauske just as he did. He related to that and fell for her. Those feelings have only deepened as the story has moved forward (based on the interation of the two in Part 2). I can't believe that Kishimoto would take something in which he has invested so much of his life and not follow through due to external pressures. If Naruto had not become as popular, I don't believe that there would still be a debate at this point. The question would be when, not if. An open ending would not follow through with the original vision, and not send the positive message of the nice guy winning the girl over through perserverance and action.

 

#2 - As was mentioned in a previous post, the setup at this stage is too perfect. Too many parallels. Too much development. How will Sakura react once Naruto is revived? Her reactions to him have been increasingly affectionate throughout the story. I don't think that she will just say "yeah" and slap him on the back. The idea of her revisiting her thoughts of losing him forever before his final confrontation with Sauske is also interesting. The only, and I mean only, roadblock to NaruSaku now is Sakura's lingering misconception about Sauske. The only thing that could possibly be holding her back at this point is the bench scene at the very beginning. I don't think that the importance of this scene can be overstated. Basically, Naruto unintentionally imprinted Sakura with the idea that Sauske is her soulmate. While you might say that they were just kids, something this profound was bound to have a lasting impact, as we have seen throughout the course of the manga. Once Sakura realizes that it has been Naruto all along and not Sauske, the deal is done, as far as Sakura is concerned. In Naruto's case, Sauske must be saved and Sakura must make an uninhibited choice. I just can't see a long sappy confession from either Naruto or Sakura leading to this end. Confessions tend not to end well in this story. Both characters are at their best when they take action. I see it going something like this.

Naruto is about to face Sauske

He has one last meeting with his classmates

He tells them why they cannot interveine as previously foreshadowed (possibly in small groups or at once using shadow cones).

Sakura is the last one he sees.

Not wanting to have any regrets, possibly going to his death, he makes a cryptic remark about still wanting to kiss that forehead, then he heads off to battle

Sakura has a ton of flash backs and she realizes what Naruto really means to her

Naruto faces Sauske and of course finally reaches him somehow

Sauske finally acknowledges that Naruto is the stronger ninja and his way is right

Sakura appears, Naruto turns for fear of seeing her rush to Sauske

Instead she tackles him and kisses him

Game over... Move on to the epilogue.

 

#3 - While less important in the grand scheme of things, I feel that Hinata's character development should finally be realized as well. As many here have stated, she has an unhealthy fixation with Naruto. Unhealthy to the point that it is doubtful that she can sustain her reason for being without him. This is not good, and it sends a bad message. Having her being able to stand on her own and forge her own future is the only way to accomplish that. The best answer in my mind would be to have her recognize how Naruto feels about Sakura and how Sakura feels about Naruto. Have her think back as she watched Naruto through the years. Have her remember how Naruto and Sakura interacted with one another. Have her understand that that is what real love is. Seeing her happy for them at the end, then having her own destiny during the epilogue would be perfect... But, and I'm literally praying that this idea is not on the table, a major cop out would be to have Naruto become the new 6 paths and create a permanent clone of himself... PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE do not let this happen!    

 

Anyway, that's all I've got.

 

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Posted 24 February 2014 - 11:03 AM

Guys, I was just reading about Team Minato. They do parallel current Team 7, don't they? And about the things I read about Rin and Obito, wasen't she doing the same things for Obito as what Sakura is doing for Naruto? Rin never thought of Obito in that sense and she loved Kakashi. Could this be the case incase of Sakura?(she caring for Naruto and always supporting him and all just like Rin did for Obito and Rin loving Kakashi just like Sakura crushing on Sasuke). Though I wish it dosen't turn out the same for Team 7, I just wanted to get rid of this possibility. So m asking you guys. Could it be that Sakura is doing the same things for Naruto(as Rin did for Obito) and she dosen't think of Naruto in that way? 


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Posted 24 February 2014 - 11:57 AM

Guys, I was just reading about Team Minato. They do parallel current Team 7, don't they? And about the things I read about Rin and Obito, wasen't she doing the same things for Obito as what Sakura is doing for Naruto? Rin never thought of Obito in that sense and she loved Kakashi. Could this be the case incase of Sakura?(she caring for Naruto and always supporting him and all just like Rin did for Obito and Rin loving Kakashi just like Sakura crushing on Sasuke). Though I wish it dosen't turn out the same for Team 7, I just wanted to get rid of this possibility. So m asking you guys. Could it be that Sakura is doing the same things for Naruto(as Rin did for Obito) and she dosen't think of Naruto in that way? 

 

Yes Team Minato paralls Team 7 and Rin does the same thing as Sakura. One of the themes of Naruto is surpassing the older generation and Naruto is the one of going to change everything, so this also applies to love, Jiraiya didnt get the girl, Obito didnt get the girl, Naruto will get the girl. You see? 

 

And thats just looking at the themes of Naruto, next look at all the development NS has. 


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Posted 24 February 2014 - 12:47 PM

Seeing how Kishi put on the latest cover, Naruto's hand reaching for Obito, which had a big emphasis in the respective chapters, makes me think that he might put the CPR on the cover, too. xD Tho' that'd be bold... What do you guys think? Could it be possible?Or Sakura holding his heart? :D


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Posted 24 February 2014 - 12:55 PM

Seeing how Kishi put on the latest cover, Naruto's hand reaching for Obito, which had a big emphasis in the respective chapters, makes me think that he might put the CPR on the cover, too. xD Tho' that'd be bold... What do you guys think? Could it be possible?Or Sakura holding his heart? :D



Well...it might be..or maybe just focus on madara recent transformation, I guess...
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Posted 24 February 2014 - 01:00 PM

Well...it might be..or maybe just focus on madara recent transformation, I guess...

Aah, true, there's the tricky part with the Bijuus and Madara's transformation. But on the other hand, he put so much emphasis on Sakura and Karin wanting to save Naruto, respectively Sasuke... Hmm, I am really waiting forward to see how the next cover will look.


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Posted 24 February 2014 - 01:06 PM

Aah, true, there's the tricky part with the Bijuus and Madara's transformation. But on the other hand, he put so much emphasis on Sakura and Karin wanting to save Naruto, respectively Sasuke... Hmm, I am really waiting forward to see how the next cover will look.

 

Well there were jokes made by the fandom about how everyone is paying attention to Sakura saving Naruto and not his transformation so I see him in the background with them in the front. 


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Posted 24 February 2014 - 01:18 PM

 

Well there were jokes made by the fandom about how everyone is paying attention to Sakura saving Naruto and not his transformation so I see him in the background with them in the front. 

Tbh that's how I imagine it as well. I see Madara somewhat with the Bijuus on the background, with Sakura/Naruto and Karin/Sasuke somewhat on the front... There's so much emphasis on their saving as well that dunno, it feels fit for Kishi to put them there. But then again, who knows? We shall see, I guess. I also see Gaara around somehow to be honest.


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