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Posted 26 November 2014 - 04:02 PM

 

No, I wish I did have some proof. Just supposition. 

 

People never like spin offs as much as the first show/book/movie, etc. And there's nothing in the epilogue, the movie marketing, or the character designs that hooks audiences as well as or better than the first Naruto did. So with an underwhelming design and an as-of-yet non-existent plot hook, why exactly should new audiences (and old fans) hang on to see what's coming next in the new series? Are they banking it all on this ninja romance movie to push fans over to the new series?

 

Because of the undewhelming design and the lack of a hook, I just feel like it's not going to stand out or be memorable. A kid who is the son of the top man in the village but still has a chip on his shoulder is was less interesting than an orphaned child who is shunned by the village for his mysterious history and facial marks, and yet who still happens to look like their late beloved leader.

 

They've broken with the original Naruto fans, except for the NH ones, so they absolutely have to pick up new fans. But the illustrations so far look so unimaginative, I think they're going to have an uphill battle.

 

That's why I predict this series will be shortlived. Better series, ones who've kept faith with their fans and presented them imaginative and entertaining storylines to build on, have been cut short. (Legend of Korra, I'm looking at you.) I don't see why Naruto is any exception.

In fact, the spin-off will be shortlived. It's only going to last until the summer. Kishi has stated it himself somewhere.

I agree, there is nothing really appealing about the spin-off. Some people are simply interested in seeing what some of the Rookie 9 will be like as adults (including me tbh), but I can imagine that the majority does not see a reason to give this series a try.

The Legend of Korra is great. But I'm mad as hell that the producers are given such a hard time: Horrible advertising, moving the show from the TV to replace it with SpongeBob, cutting the budget for season 4... It just makes me realize that creators often are more restricted in their freedom than we originally thought they would be.


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Posted 26 November 2014 - 04:04 PM

So, I'm not spreading some hope, just a case to show, how "max lvl" of misleading or "troll" if you could name it being done. You know there is a game series Metal Gear Solid, and a father of it - Hideo Kojima. So this event took place on the 4th game - "Metal Gear Solid 2: Sons of Liberty" before game is actually got to shops, every trailer and magazine article was about series main hero - Solid Snake (hero of first 3 games) as a main hero of this game, but what was the shock when people get a disc with game and start it, and they saw that main hero of this game was a whole new character that was never seen in any gametrailer before. And you know what? This game didn't suck at all, because of how plot was handed perfectly in MGS style and Solid Snake wasn't just a marketing toy, he has his role in the game. So... What is purpose of sh**ting on manga that has 15 years main hero and heroine to justify some bullsh** with pairing one to minor pairing fodder character, and another get a train wreck on her development? It's either kittenload of fake spoilers or just horrible awful destroing of story.


Edited by NarutoUzumaki01, 26 November 2014 - 04:09 PM.


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Posted 26 November 2014 - 04:15 PM

lol apparently some ss fans are going to boycott the movie coz there's no ss previews


SS do actually have devenploment. I think it calls NEGATIVE DEVENPLOMENT.

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naruto singing


Is this gonna be a Disney movie? Where the character's sings and performs duet with each other. Can't wait to see Saskue perform in a song (°_°)

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Posted 26 November 2014 - 04:16 PM

Who knows if two years from now Kishimoto will pulled a Rowling telling fans he regrets making NH and SS canon.


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Posted 26 November 2014 - 04:21 PM

SS most developed huh... obvious ch.3 was where this lovely couple all began21.jpg

 

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Posted 26 November 2014 - 04:21 PM

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Posted 26 November 2014 - 04:21 PM

Who knows if two years from now Kishimoto will pulled a Rowling telling fans he regrets making NH and SS canon.

Imagine when he finish last chapter of part 3 bs, and make interview like "Wooh, that was awful, It's all my fault, Naruto was better to be finished with getting Sakura as his wife and a couple of chapters about how all is after war, with finish as Naruto becoming Hokage, and get a Shinakuchi name child as a sign of his love for Sakura, because handling all this mess after The Last was one hell of a nightmare, what was I thinking of?"



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Posted 26 November 2014 - 04:25 PM

Who knows if two years from now Kishimoto will pulled a Rowling telling fans he regrets making NH and SS canon.

I do not think he'll say something because it will seem sold for money and that for an author is a death sentence.he will lose respect from all fans including NH,No one will trust him


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Posted 26 November 2014 - 04:26 PM

Who knows if two years from now Kishimoto will pulled a Rowling telling fans he regrets making NH and SS canon.

Well he already told us NaruSaku was end game until BS reasons


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Posted 26 November 2014 - 04:42 PM

I do not think he'll say something because it will seem sold for money and that for an author is a death sentence.he will lose respect from all fans including NH,No one will trust him

Haha not like he already lost all bits of respect people had for him. :zaru:

 

NH or more precisely Hinata's fans don't care kitten all that matters it's that their hime got Nardo-kun's kitten no matter the price.



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Posted 26 November 2014 - 04:44 PM

NH or more precisely Hinata's fans don't care kitten all that matters it's that their hime got Nardo-kun's kitten no matter the price.

And they don't even get to see anything of that ^^

Because the doll that is in The Last - is not Uzumaki Naruto from manga.



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Posted 26 November 2014 - 04:51 PM

And they don't even get to see anything of that ^^

Because the doll that is in The Last - is not Uzumaki Naruto from manga.

Well the movie is not hentai, lol. But there are tons of NH 'lovey-dovey' bullcrap which is even worse.  :sick: 



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Posted 26 November 2014 - 04:56 PM

My new year resolution is this series to die.


It will part. 3 will not be successful it's not even written by kishi.

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Posted 26 November 2014 - 04:57 PM

Another thing: what is the moral? Huh? Tell me what is it?

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Posted 26 November 2014 - 04:59 PM

Who knows if two years from now Kishimoto will pulled a Rowling telling fans he regrets making NH and SS canon.

 

For kittens sake will people drop that s**t, Rowling admitted her quotes were taken out of context, and i'm getting tired of Harry/Hermione fans thinking that their pairing ever had a chance, JK Rowling NEVER WROTE THE FREAKING STORY TO EVER HINT AT HARRY/HERMIONE!!!!!!!

 

The difference between this and JKR'w work was JKR always wrote Harry/Ginny and Ron/Hermione from day one, If the novels ended with Harry/Hermione without changing the rest of the books then it would be sitting right next to the Naruto ending as the worst ending.

 

The biggest issue with the ending is the lack of development for the SS and N/H, that would have been exactly the same for H/H, they had no ROMANTIC development at all, everything between then was platonic. As far as I concerned H/Hr ending would essentially be exactly what Kishi did, changing the ending to satisfy the bigger fanbase for greed. 


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Posted 26 November 2014 - 05:03 PM

Another thing: what is the moral? Huh? Tell me what is it?

the moral is to be an amoral pile of kitten. :zaru:



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Posted 26 November 2014 - 05:09 PM

 

For kittens sake will people drop that s**t, Rowling admitted her quotes were taken out of context, and i'm getting tired of Harry/Hermione fans thinking that their pairing ever had a chance, JK Rowling NEVER WROTE THE FREAKING STORY TO EVER HINT AT HARRY/HERMIONE!!!!!!!

 

The difference between this and JKR'w work was JKR always wrote Harry/Ginny and Ron/Hermione from day one, If the novels ended with Harry/Hermione without changing the rest of the books then it would be sitting right next to the Naruto ending as the worst ending.

 

The biggest issue with the ending is the lack of development for the SS and N/H, that would have been exactly the same for H/H, they had no ROMANTIC development at all, everything between then was platonic. As far as I concerned H/Hr ending would essentially be exactly what Kishi did, changing the ending to satisfy the bigger fanbase for greed. 

 

Fans have actually been saying the ending to Harry Potter was awful/that Naruto is on par with it, and that Harry/Ginny came out of nowhere. I never read HP,  so I don't know if that's true, but I saw that a lot when the chapter came out. I guess you could say you're sitting on the SS/NH part of the fence with HP. :sweat:



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Posted 26 November 2014 - 05:10 PM

It will part. 3 will not be successful it's not even written by kishi.

Not true its confirmed that  PigSelloutmoto will be doing a short P3 series   its the novels side stories for Kakashi and others will be done by Akira Higashiyama  the guy who wrote the Blood Prison and  The Gutsy Ninja Novel (Jiraiya's Book) . 

 

Nonetheless  after this BS that he has pulled I hope every one of his projects fails and never writes again  it would fit  him as a punishment for betraying his work and the fans .


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Posted 26 November 2014 - 05:11 PM

How can people even compare Naruto to HP? Those are absolutely different stories... the only thing they have in common is the main trio, that's all. :wot:


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Posted 26 November 2014 - 05:16 PM

Yeah, I've wondered that as well. Where is SS in all this?
 
I can'really say. Maybe they will show up in the new series instead. Or maybe they powers-that-be have decided that the story has focused enough on Sasuke, and they want it to be squarely on Naruto and his progeny. It could be that the love triangle of the future is between two girls (one being Salad) and a boy (Bolt), rather than such a heavy focus on the bonds of friendship with a little love sprinkled in as filler.

Ultimately, I think Sasuke and Sakura, as individuals, take too much spotlight from Naruto and have too many ties to the old manga which they are trying so hard to distance themselves from. I think Sakura from the manga has the power to outshine Hinata with anything she does, and that's why they have to neutralize her into being a housewife, to make her a less-threatening presence. With Sasuke they can conveniently send him out of the village on 'missions' until he's ready to come back and play his role as plot device before leaving again.

Both of Naruto's old distractions, Sakura and Sasuke, have been conveniently erased from the storyline, so there is no competition with his attention for Hinata. This is THE ONLY WAY a love between NH can work. And so that theme continues on through the new series as well.
 
I have no proof of this, just conjecture based on what's been presented and how I would handle it if I were in the creative war room and I were tasked with squeezing the most money from the Naruto series as possible. This is how I would set up the storyline. 
 
Sakura and Sasuke, unfortunately, make very the first targets in an NH bingo book. They'd be the first to go.


The thing is, it's not a sensible decision as an industry motivated by revenue to cold-shoulder Sasuke. He emulates the traditionalist Japano-cultural idea with his looks, his clan's societal structure, and the Shinto mythological underpinnings of their blood inheritances more than anyone. From a practical standpoint they should be strengthening his presence in the new series. Sasuke still carries the mystique and intrigue to earn favour from newcomers and old fans alike. Hinata alone is not enough to maintain a long-standing interest in any new exploits of the series. She holds some minor degree of favour with the pairing factions, sexual deviants, and the isolated fanbase who hold an interest in the Hyuga clan. But it's not enough to warrant siphoning off time to her petty little thoughts. If she does receive screen-time, we can interpret it as the byproduct of Naruto's adult life and Kishi's twisted ideal of fatherhood.

I don't believe the new series is going to emphasise or even hold a romantic subplot. What the spawn of Sasuke displayed didn't appear to be romantic curiosity. She didn't express any of the common symptoms of a girl who has fallen in lust in this series.

A girl who aspires for the affections of a boy is supposed to blush in the presence of their object. There's a shortness of breath. Their airway constricts. Speech patterns become incoherent. Sensibility is lost, sometimes to the degree where they become inconsiderate of the feelings of others, sometimes it becomes so severe they develop suicidal thoughts, because their vision is tunneled by their superficial fantasies of said object. What we saw from her held none of these commonplace symptoms. Her facial expression was taut and her eyebrows furrowed, as if she were scrutinising the boy in a harsh, detached manner.

The female spawn maintained a close observational lookout of the male spawn. It implies that she does have an interest in him of some kind. But for what? To hazard a guess, I would say his personality. The male spawn is socially outgoing, brazen-minded to such a degree that he actively goes out of his way to disrupt public order by defacing historical monuments to garner attention. No doubt this is a projection of his own insecurities over the neglect he has endured from an apathetic father who prefers to waste away at an office rather than address the obvious plight of the creature he helped the Hyuga girl create. But this is steering too far away from the original subject.

My point is that the female spawn can see something in this boy that's not so apparent in others. Maybe it's the notional half of her mind that draws her towards this person. He's someone who she hasn't quite been able to understand. Maybe she wants to learn something from him. Something that can help broaden her own scope of human emotions and personalities. I think she did admit to not having an understanding of his mentality. That could explain why she's clinging to the shadows in order to observe him.

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