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[Zatheko]

And yet Kishimoto made it so that Hinata would be the one to fit in that spot.

They made Neji fill that spot too, the bridge scene also showed Sakura is willing to put her life on the line too.

Edited by zatheko, 31 March 2013 - 08:41 PM.

[Baguette]

They made Neji fill that spot too, the bridge scene also showed Sakura is willing to put her life on the line too.

Are you referring to her damsel in distress role during the Kage Summit reunion or RtN?
One was filler, the other was humiliating to her status as the heroine.

And have Neji die. Now Hinata can lead her clan.

Of course, with Naruto at her side as husband and Hokage.

Edited by Baguette, 31 March 2013 - 08:43 PM.

[StriderC]

Kishimoto may have initially intended to parallel Sakura and Kushina, but in recent chapters it has become quite apparent that the parallel has been switched over to Hinata and Kushina.
The parallel lies not in superficial things such as the characters' looks and personality, but rather in their symbolic significance and love for Naruto.
Hinata jumped in front of Naruto to protect him from being killed by a Tailed Beast, just what happened with Kushina. And before you retort with "so I guess that means NejiHina parallels MinaKushi," think of it beyond mere character roles.
Kushina said to Naruto to find someone like her, in that she wanted him to find someone who would love him just as much as she did. Hinata proved that she was like Kushina in that her love for Naruto enabled her to try and sacrifice herself for Naruto, in the same manner that Kushina did.

Even in superficial terms, it should be noted that both Kushina and Hinata were kidnapped by ninjas from Kumogakure.

There's no, "initially intended to parallel Sakura". She parallels Sakura regardless, and it's more than just a personality, and looks deal. You seem to completely disregard what's happened with NS and MK.

1. The compliment.
2. The rescue.
3. Personality.
4. Change of heart.

When you weigh it out, guess who resembles her MORE. Sakura, and NS.

Also, I guess Sakura's never tried to save Naruto before eh? The Forest of Death anyone? The 4 tails arc anyone? He was one of the important people to her then. Unlike Hinata, Sakura ALWAYS thinks of Naruto in more ways than wanting to be with him. You can look at the speech they give while running to the scene. One had tunnel vision IMO, and the other thought about how she and the allies would be there no matter what. One doubts Naruto while the other had to reassure her that he has things under control. Does Hinata know about his struggles and the things he deals with. Sasuke and such? Doubt it. She sure as hell didn't say anything when the rookies were planning to rid of Sasuke. If she had known about it, she would of likely been against it but nope, not a word.

I'm not gonna delve it because I don't want to ramble and make an extremely long post but IMO, MK is the true mirror of NS, not NH. Wait until Sakura gets her moment when she finally comes back into the picture. Notice how she wasn't even around when Hinata had her moments with Naruto. Do you truly think that's gonna get all of the focus now after that pep talk? I'm curious.

[FoolishYoungling]

Of course, with Naruto at her side as husband and Hokage.

With what we've seen, and what Kishi is showing us in the RtN movie. Not happening.

[Zatheko]

Of course, with Naruto at her side as husband and Hokage.

And prove once and for all that Hinata is a character that can not do anything without Naruto, she literally will lack the ability to stand on her own feet.

Are you referring to her damsel in distress role during the Kage Summit reunion or RtN?
One was filler, the other was humiliating to her status as the heroine.

Im referring to when he wen't four tails against orochimaru and she risked her life running towards him to get him to stop. No it is not filler so thanks for paying attention broski.

Edited by zatheko, 31 March 2013 - 08:45 PM.

[TouKen4Life3g]

I admit, I feel bad for Neji because of hearing this. If he comes back alive (90% sure), he better get better recognition. Sheesh...

[That Uchiha]

And yet Kishimoto made it so that Hinata would be the one to fit in that spot.

Exactly, Hinata's love for Naruto is Like Kushina's love for Naruto. Except not motherly.

Parallel --Click here to view--

With what we've seen, and what Kishi is showing us in the RtN movie. Not happening.

Sorry, but Road to Ninja is Filler, not canon.
It is not a valid argument.

[T XD]

@ That Uchiha: RTN is filler ???... Oh yeah, that's right. Kishi wasn't managing it. It was someone else.

[Baguette]

Im referring to when he wen't four tails against orochimaru and she risked her life running towards him to get him to stop. No it is not filler so thanks for paying attention broski.

And what did Sakura idiotically running towards him accomplish? A debilitating wound to her shoulder and Naruto still in Four-tailed mode.
At least when Hinata idiotically risked her life for Naruto, it ultimately led to him breaking free and defeating Pain.

[Zatheko]

Exactly, Hinata's love for Naruto is Like Kushina's love for Naruto. Except not motherly.

Parallel --Click here to view--

Sorry, but Road to Ninja is Filler, not canon.
It is not a valid argument.

The fact that it is Kishi's idea to show the parallel to be NaruSaku is something to use. Sorry but the creator himself knows the truth.

And what did Sakura idiotically running towards him accomplish? A debilitating wound to her shoulder and Naruto still in Four-tailed mode.
At least when Hinata idiotically risked her life for Naruto, it ultimately led to him breaking free and defeating Pain.

If it wasn't for minato, hinatas "sacrifce" would have been even worse for everyone, but I like that u only refer to sakura being idiotic

Edited by zatheko, 31 March 2013 - 08:50 PM.

[FoolishYoungling]

@ That Uchiha: RTN is filler ???... Oh yeah, that's right. Kishi wasn't managing it. It was someone else.

lol

Not to mention that Kishi called Sakura the heroine, not Hinata. ---> http://www.mangahere...v60/c616/4.html

Edited by FoolishYoungling , 31 March 2013 - 08:52 PM.

[Soane]

Call it ridiculous if you want, but my post paralleling Hinata and Kushina has yet to be refuted.

I don't if you're kidding or not, but I'll aswer seriously.

-About taking care of Naruto\Minato: Hinata sure does, she loves him. Sakura is on the same position. I have no doubt she would die for him. That even reminds me the Chio speech "Next time die for someone important to you" (I dont remember it exactly). You may say "But Sakura loves him as a friend". This has to confirmed, but that seems to be more than that, really. And Sakura were in many others dangerous situations with Naruto and showed cares for him. There's also the point: Sakura cares for him not only physically, but she wants him to be happy and free, mentally talking. Hinata doesnt know about this side of Naruto, she may did on Naruto Classic, but she has never done something to change Naruto's reallity until those newest chapters.

-About personallity: I guess there's no doubt about it. Kushina is a tsundere, so....And more, Kushina used to underestimate Minato, just as Sakura did with Naruto. But both got surprised by those guys.

-Kushina was saved by Minato. Naruto always saves....Hinata? I guess no.

Oh,I dont know if that's enough, but I did. Im gonna have a snack and watch what happens here ^^

Edited by Soane, 31 March 2013 - 08:54 PM.

[sushi.]

I scratch my head when I hear the Hinata/Kushina argument. Everyone is willing to risk their life for Naruto. Even Tsunade placed herself in front of Naruto and shielded him before. Kushina told him to find someone that resembles her, not someone that loves him like she did.

Minato/Kushina interactions positions is so similar to Naruto and Sakura scenes that it makes me wonder if Kishi used the same sketchbase and just changed the characters. It really looks like they're based on Naruto and Sakura. Besides, Sakura has yet to use her power for the one she loves(Chiyo's words, foreshadowing) : )

[六道仙人]

anyway if all this is a sort of joke, it isn't funny... mods sure won't appreciate this debate btw

[That Uchiha]

The fact that it is Kishi's idea to show the parallel to be NaruSaku is something to use. Sorry but the creator himself knows the truth.

Still filler.
Doesn't matter if Kishimoto made it or not, everything in Road to Ninja should not be taken seriously.

Look at the manga, the focus is on NH.

[StriderC]

And what did Sakura idiotically running towards him accomplish? A debilitating wound to her shoulder and Naruto still in Four-tailed mode.
At least when Hinata idiotically risked her life for Naruto, it ultimately led to him breaking free and defeating Pain.

Wowwwwww. It's funny how you would defend Hinata's actions, but not Sakura's considering they were different. And what's more is that the anime team decided to change the scene up because the manga made her look extremely selfish. The difference between the two.

Sakura ran to Naruto because he was hurting, not himself, and she wanted to help him there. She even went on to say she'd rescue Sasuke for him. SELFLESS moment for her.

Hinata jumped down there knowing full well she couldn't win and yet she did it anyway. She didn't even attempt to get the rods out of his back. She got knocked out immediately upon entering the battle and thus MAKING him go into 6 tails. She was selfish, and she put the village at risk.

Now it seems like you're downplaying Sakura to one up whatever Hinata has done for him. It's ridiculous...

[CloudMountainJuror]

This hit me again while discussing Bleach with a friend of mine. I was disappointed with how characters were treated in one arc of the show, then they told me to look at the story as one big picture and not as a series of arcs. It reminded me just what great characters they are, even if that one arc didn't develop them.

This reinforced my resolve that NS is the superior ship in terms of support. Is NH getting more fanservice lately? Undeniably. Is that a sign that Kishi is changing direction? Possibly. But apply the "big picture", here. Which pairing has had the most support throughout all of the arcs, in this one large story as one, which pairing? NS.

At this point, it isn't a question of which ship has the most support. That goes to NS, no competition. No, it's a question of which pairing will become canon. There is a difference. If we assume that Kishi will follow through with what he's set up the most, then NS is in the lead for the race to become canon. However, considering how sloppy his writing has been lately, we can't really assume that anymore. This evens out the race to become canon; every pairing has a chance now. Bad writing does that. NaruHina, SasuSaku, NaruSasu, NaruIno, SasuTema, hell, almost anything has a chance now.

If you're a NH fan, power to ya. Your OTP has more of a chance now than ever at becoming canon, whether it will be inconsistent storytelling or not. Enjoy the moment, it is yours as of right now.

NS's biggest handicap right now isn't NH possibilities, it isn't SS possibilities: it's Kishimoto's inconsistent writing.

[Zatheko]

Still filler.
Doesn't matter if Kishimoto made it or not, everything in Road to Ninja should not be taken seriously.

Look at the manga, the focus is on NH.

If u want to only look at the manga than that is fine to me, u know what i see, the manga to me has proven that Hinata will NEVER be anything more then a friend to Naruto. This opinion won't change for me either unless I see Naruto to say "Sorry sakura i loved u for 600+ chapters but im gonna move on now to someone who has no panel time."

Edited by zatheko, 31 March 2013 - 08:58 PM.

[StriderC]

This hit me again while discussing Bleach with a friend of mine. I was disappointed with how characters were treated in one arc of the show, then they told me to look at the story as one big picture and not as a series of arcs. It reminded me just what great characters they are, even if that one arc didn't develop them.

This reinforced my resolve that NS is the superior ship in terms of support. Is NH getting more fanservice lately? Undeniably. Is that a sign that Kishi is changing direction? Possibly. But apply the "big picture", here. Which pairing has had the most support throughout all of the arcs, in this one large story as one, which pairing? NS.

At this point, it isn't a question of which ship has the most support. That goes to NS, no competition. No, it's a question of which pairing will become canon. There is a difference. If we assume that Kishi will follow through with what he's set up the most, then NS is in the lead for the race to become canon. However, considering how sloppy his writing has been lately, we can't really assume that anymore. This evens out the race to become canon; every pairing has a chance now. Bad writing does that. NaruHina, SasuSaku, NaruSasu, NaruIno, SasuTema, hell, almost anything has a chance now.

If you're a NH fan, power to ya. Your OTP has more of a chance now than ever at becoming canon, whether it will be inconsistent storytelling or not. Enjoy the moment, it is yours as of right now.

NS's biggest handicap right now isn't NH possibilities, it isn't SS possibilities: it's Kishimoto's inconsistent writing.

What characters were you disappointed with if you don't mind my asking...

[Inferno180]

For everyone on this site:



Bagutte and That Uchihca are just messing with us, if its an april fools joke okay, if they really ship NH okay too, just no point in arguing these are all things we have listened too hundreds of times