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[hothead]

Re-reading this week's chapter it kinda got me thinking about why Kishi made Madara spit out the sages's ninja tools. As its been said before he has limited panels to work with and we could have just assumed that the tools were absorbed into the mazou when Obito first summoned the juubi. I also think that it was a huge coincidence that they landed exactly where Guy and Lee are since they are headed to where Naruto is now. Maybe (and tell me if you think I'm wrong) Kishi is planing on using the chakra that Kinkaku and Ginkaku have to save Naruto.
I guess it's not as farfetched as it sounds, whatever goes into the pot and gourd doesn't come out unless it's from outside intervention like someone deliberately opening them and since all 3 objects are from the sages's era (pot, gourd, and the mazou) it's safe to say that the tools can't be forced by the mazou. So idk what do you guys think? If Naruto get revived that way we can have our narusaku moment with him being recovered and all!

[FireFox]

 

I think Team Gai role is more to do with the fact that characters in the Gaara arc are coming out for this moment since they had a role in that arc and the current events are similar, though this time it's Naruto's life on the line.

LOL funny thing didn't notice the T-Gai connection with the Gaara arc nice catch there , so this probably means that Neji's bound to return in one way or another for this role and it will be thanks to Hinata's prayer , for some reason this foreshadowing doesn't smell good   .         

[LuckyChi7]

Re-reading this week's chapter it kinda got me thinking about why Kishi made Madara spit out the sages's ninja tools. As its been said before he has limited panels to work with and we could have just assumed that the tools were absorbed into the mazou when Obito first summoned the juubi. I also think that it was a huge coincidence that they landed exactly where Guy and Lee are since they are headed to where Naruto is now. Maybe (and tell me if you think I'm wrong) Kishi is planing on using the chakra that Kinkaku and Ginkaku have to save Naruto.
I guess it's not as farfetched as it sounds, whatever goes into the pot and gourd doesn't come out unless it's from outside intervention like someone deliberately opening them and since all 3 objects are from the sages's era (pot, gourd, and the mazou) it's safe to say that the tools can't be forced by the mazou. So idk what do you guys think? If Naruto get revived that way we can have our narusaku moment with him being recovered and all!

 

Actually if you look at chapter 652 when the Bijju were extracted from Obito, you can tell that there some of Kurama's chakra was there amongst the other tailed beasts. Also remember that Obito through their chakra into the Gedo statue before it became the ten tails, so the Gold and Silver Brother's chakra won't be the saving factor of Naruto. It'll still be the Yin half of Kurama, somehow someway Minato is gonna get that half back.  Remember Obito is still there, and this could be his opportunity to regain control. At the moment he's unconscious. Also judging by how this week's chapter went, Minato will play a crucial role in the next chapter considering that he'll do whatever it takes to protect Naruto. The only obstacle I see is Madara is also present. So unless He gets cocky about just coming after the eye, and ignoring Yin Kurama completely then maybe Minato will get it back. I know Kishi's got something up his sleeve, but the Gold and Silver Brothers chakra won't be the case since Naruto got it back after the Bijuu were extracted from Obito in 652.

 

Just a note: for those of you still thinking Sakura will pull a chiyo to save Naruto, she won't because that's only a technique that Lady Chiyo knows how to do. So yeah I believe that Yin Kurama still will be the only way to save Naruto, somehow Minato will get that back from black zetsu. The tools there are gonna the things that lead to Madara's defeat.      

Edited by LuckyChi7, 13 February 2014 - 03:08 PM.

[Inferno180]

LOL funny thing didn't notice the T-Gai connection with the Gaara arc nice catch there , so this probably means that Neji's bound to return in one way or another for this role and it will be thanks to Hinata's prayer , for some reason this foreshadowing doesn't smell good   .         

 

Relax, if anything it would technically be neji saving naruto, not Hinata. Even then this wouldn't actually build NH, I mean again, has the development of NH been emphasized as much as NS? Does this change the Kushina foreshadow? There are still obstacles for NH to go over if it even wanted to be canon at this point.Yes Neji may come in by some way, but even if Naruto saw Neji in limbo, and he said hinata loves you, then why would kishi even bother with the other stuff regarding sakura, in greater amounts?

 

 

Actually if you look at chapter 652 when the Bijju were extracted from Obito, you can tell that there some of Kurama's chakra was there amongst the other tailed beasts. Also remember that Obito through their chakra into the Gedo statue before it became the ten tails, so the Gold and Silver Brother's chakra won't be the saving factor of Naruto. It'll still be the Yin half of Kurama, somehow someway Minato is gonna get that half back.  Remember Obito is still there, and this could be his opportunity to regain control. At the moment he's unconscious. Also judging by how this week's chapter went, Minato will play a crucial role in the next chapter considering that he'll do whatever it takes to protect Naruto. The only obstacle I see is Madara is also present. So unless He gets cocky about just coming after the eye, and ignoring Yin Kurama completely then maybe Minato will get it back. I know Kishi's got something up his sleeve, but the Gold and Silver Brothers chakra won't be the case since Naruto got it back after the Bijuu were extracted from Obito in 652.

 

Just a note: for those of you still thinking Sakura will pull a chiyo to save Naruto, she won't because that's only a technique that Lady Chiyo knows how to do. So yeah I believe that Yin Kurama still will be the only way to save Naruto, somehow Minato will get that back from black zetsu. The tools there are gonna the things that lead to Madara's defeat.      

 

Again yes, theres no Sakura sacrificing herself for naruto. Yet as for Naruto's revival, its simple, either he gets Yin Kurama or gets the energy from the stuff Madara spit out, they are both viable. As for how its done, well remember minato was able to transfer Yin Kurama fast (but sadly black zetsu took it). As for the tools, I doubt they are THAT strong to seal madara.

 

In all seriousness, I want to see a battle, I want to see Madara fall, I want to see him defeated by Naruto and Sasuke, I don't want to see a repeat in bleach where we all thought Ichigo would finally beat Aizen's ass, but instead it was just a super bomb moment in which ichigo weakened him and kiskae had enough energy to actually stop Aizen by a sealing ability. I don't want Madara to be sealed away, its better to see a villian so strong end up defeated by others overcoming the trail he poses. If the series just goes with sealing madara in the pot well no more tailed beasts then. I doubt this is going to happen though, remember the sage said when they were all reunited again then they would later take on new forms, right now they are really all united again as the jubbi, 8 and 9 tails included, not a portion or substitute like obito had. But I am serious, I want to see a battle in which Madara falls, I felt like it Bleach that moment of Ichigo fighting Aizen would have been a good one but it was only that short moment thats why I want to see Madara fall, if he is just conveniently sealed away, its just anticlimactic.

[BakeNeko-Chan]

And Im Saying I Don't Want Her Sacrificed Either So That's Why I Went Back To Check Out The Technique Again And Do You Remember Chiyo Didn't Have Enough Chakra To Use The Technique But When Naruto Said He Was Willing To Give Some Of His Chakra To Her It Worked?? That's Why I Think If Sakura Can Find A Greater Source Of Chakra Then Her Own To Use Instead Then She Wouldn't Be Giving Up Her Life!! And Now With This Past Chapter, Obito Will Be The Most Possible Candidate For It To Work Cause He Now Possess The Other Chakra Of The Kyuubi!!! And remember What Yamato Said When He First Saw Naruto Go Chakra Mode? He Said That "The Chakra Has So Much "life Energy" That It's Effecting My Wood Style!!" It's Making For An Actual Possibilty To Be Used!!!

 

But even using Naruto's chakra, Chiyo still died so if Sakura did use the technique having the assistance of an outside source would not guarantee that Sakura would not end up sacrificing her life. That is, unless she has some technique of her own that eliminates the risk of death. I suppose anything is possible. Maybe Sakura will release her seal and use some never before seen medical jutsu to save Naruto, but I'm definitely not counting on that.

 

Personally, I think it would be more likely that Obito might briefly regain control of his body and maybe revive Naruto with one more Rinne Tensei before he dies, thus completing his redemption. But, who knows?

 

 

 

I don't get why Sakura would risk her life now. Maybe in the past, but they're with Minato now. He has the other half of the 9-tails, so it'd be kind of pointless now wouldn't it?

 

Zetsu just stole the other half of the Kyuubi from Minato, I think that's why people are speculating that Sakura will use Chiyo's jutsu, because there seems to be no other option at this point.

[Inferno180]

 

But even using Naruto's chakra, Chiyo still died so if Sakura did use the technique having the assistance of an outside source would not guarantee that Sakura would not end up sacrificing her life. That is, unless she has some technique of her own that eliminates the risk of death. I suppose anything is possible. Maybe Sakura will release her seal and use some never before seen medical jutsu to save Naruto, but I'm definitely not counting on that.

 

Personally, I think it would be more likely that Obito might briefly regain control of his body and maybe revive Naruto with one more Rinne Tensei before he dies, thus completing his redemption. But, who knows?

 

 

 

Zetsu just stole the other half of the Kyuubi from Minato, I think that's why people are speculating that Sakura will use Chiyo's jutsu, because there seems to be no other option at this point.

 

And its because people commonly miss stuff, they resort to saying sakura will die because they miss the obvious or just plain hate sakura. Naruto will recover by either the recapture of Yin Kurama or the energy of the gold and silver brothers from the pot and gourd. Its only those 2 things that will help him recover. Seriously as hard as it looks for Naruto, Madara just dropped another plot device. If this wasn't obvious enough, its just a big signifyer, I mean why would kishi either just have things go grim only so Sakura and all the development she had resulted in a farewell sacrifice moment or even bother with the pot and gourd if she was to just be the one up for naruto? Again, she isnt going to die, she is the only one keeping naruto alive, she isnt going off for no good reason. Getting one of the 2 sources of power will save naruto. It doesn't matter how its argued or how it works, its just that it will otherwise the story would be ending right here and now if the heroes lost. Naruto and Sasuke will be okay so what do we expect? Sakura's by naruto keeping him alive, she isnt going to die. Again people need to relax on this stuff, You see plot elements literally come up even negating the need for Sakura to go under the assumption she learned this ability of revival? The sakura sacrifice is impossible at this point when she doesnt even have the ability first off and the second being, even if she did, theres currently no need or even emphasis for it, Kurama's original plan was the first means of revival but that failed due to black zetsu. Now Madara drops the pots containing, ironically what Obito used to unleash the ten tails for the nine tails chakra requirement. If people seriously didnt notice this, its just too hard to miss, yes the brothers were not that important but they were created as a means for the ten tails to be used in the story without killing naruto, likewise now its the very thing that can save naruto, all speculation of getting yin kurama back or somehow getting energy from the brothers are viable, these are 2 things to help naruto, he only needs 1. Sasuke is basically not as critical as he just needs to be healed and its likely it will happen soon, he is fine, naruto obviously needs a comeback as well and it seems team guy got the potential answer. Sakura is not going to die, otherwise team 7 wont get that good ending, seriuosly do you all realize what you are saying if sakura dies? You are saying that its Hinata in that final battle despite no importance to the sasuke stuff, did any of you even pause to think about that? It makes no sense if hinata is present in the final battle instead of sakura now huh? What about just reducing hinata to the most overly convinent fodder pairing character? Thats what will happen to Hinata, we don't want Sakura to die but it would also stink if Hinata became just, that much of a token character with no real dynamics, NH only would come because of convinence, not development. Are people still seriously expecting NS to just vanish into nothing? That makes no sense, this is what fans opposed to NS expected for years still expect, hasn't kishi made it clear that things are leaning towards NS in 631 and the recent chapters? Isn't Sakura not trusting sasuke a sign of change? If this all just vanished then the development was for nothing but a sacrifice, it would mean the kushina foreshadow was pointless, it would mean kishi should have just focused more on NH from the start instead of building so much for nothing. Its just harder to believe this would actually happen than even SS going canon, yes SS has a better chance of being canon than Sakura actually having a reason to die for naruto. Her dying for good would shake so many parts of the foundation of the manga and other consitencies we have seen (not counting jutsu laws or whatever) it would be a huge shake up and just damage so much story, lore, and character mentality wise.

[luffyq1]

I love how the SS fandom keeps saying that it's OOC for Sakura to not be thinking about Sasuke at this point knowing that she has her hands full atm. If Kishi wanted Sakura to know of his condition he would have done so by know. Plus, Naruto's situation is far worse than Sasuke's anyway. ~sigh~

[TouKen4Life3g]

I love how the SS fandom keeps saying that it's OOC for Sakura to not be thinking about Sasuke at this point knowing that she has her hands full atm. If Kishi wanted Sakura to know of his condition he would have done so by know. Plus, Naruto's situation is far worse than Sasuke's anyway. ~sigh~

I know...I know...

[六道仙人]

I love how the SS fandom keeps saying that it's OOC for Sakura to not be thinking about Sasuke at this point knowing that she has her hands full atm. If Kishi wanted Sakura to know of his condition he would have done so by know. Plus, Naruto's situation is far worse than Sasuke's anyway. ~sigh~

 

yeah... the same for NH fandom who're keeping to say that it would be totally OOC for Hinata if she won't rise up and reach Naruto right away.

[sushi.]

We can't say for sure she doesn't have this 'Chiyo-ish jutsu' because before her new power-ups came we would say the same about that too. Now I'm not a big fan of that theory, but I understand how people considers it a possibility. Plotwise it would be a very bad move, but as far as her abilities go she is the best shot. It'll be impossible to take Yang Kurama back while Madara is there. Eventually they'll get him back of course, but it'll take time, time they don't have.

 

The theory is common for Sakura lovers and haters alike, and it was even her fans that made it up.  I believe only a few want it to happen to 'get her out of the way'. (Not of NH, just out of the manga because that's something I've actually heard, and not a suspicion/speculation.)

 

Personally I don't think she'll die, even though it has been foreshadowed that she'll do something big for Naruto. "No matter the cost" does not mean it'll cost her her life..

[MoonDrop04]

I've Been Noticing That A Lot Of People In Our Fandom Has Been Making The Same Theory As I Have About Sakura Using Chiyo's Technique. I Want Everyone to Understand That Unlike Anyone Who Thought Of The Same Thing, I Didn't Want Sakura Dying Using This Technique!!!!! She Has More Then Enough Reason To Live Then any Female Character I Know Of In The Series. Now While I Know The Technique Does Kill The User When Activated, I Did Thought Of Ways Of Where It Won't Even Need To Kill Her When Used.
1: She Can Use The Technique To Transfer Obitos Life Force Into Naruto Along With The Other Half Of The Nine Tails. Reason Why I Say It Won't Kill Her Is Because The Other Nine Tails Has An Enormous Amount Of Life Energy (which The Technique Uses!!!) and Would Be More Then Enough To Not Effect Sakura's Own Life Force!!!

2: To Kinkaku and Ginkaku Theory Everyone Says that That Might Work, IT WONT!!! Reason Why I Say That Is Cause That Chakra Has Already Been Absorbed For The Juubis Summoning And Extracted By The Nine Tails When They Were Rescuing The Tailed Beasts From Obito! Now Why Would Kishi Bother Bringing Out The Bottle And Gourd Out Again?? Well The Goard Can Be Used To Absorb Black Zetsu off Of Obito By Kakashi and Minato. And The Pot Can Be Used To TEMPORARILY Seal Madara When Guy And His Team Force Him Inside. While They Do That They'll Have Just About Enough Time For Sakura To Make The Transfer From Obito Into Naruto!!!!

Edited by MoonDrop04, 13 February 2014 - 08:19 PM.

[Inferno180]

I'm just not the kind of guy who likes all the Sakura using Chiyos jutsu technique, its just too convenient at this time when Madara literally dropped the next plot device on Guy and Lee. It may not make sense as to how would they get the chakra from Kinkakku and Ginkakku but at this point, can you think of any other plot devices that for one thing include Naruto's recovery AND a subsquent return of power he lost from Kurama being extracted?

 

As I said, Sakura sacrificing herself brings many problems, looking back at all the development, is this all supposed to end just so its a farewell to naruto? Sakura the only girl of a group dies leaving only Naruto and Sasuke? Naruto doesn't succeed in love with Sakura because she just dies leaving NH convinently the default pairing? This is just, too convinent and too far out there.

 

You can look at any situation of Sakura using her life for naruto with a technique she couldn't have learned from Chiyo. Even if she did die, this doesn't help naruto stand even a remote chance against Madara, even if Sasuke got the rinnegan, see what I mean? Sage mode wouldn't be enough, the tools themselves couldn't possibly be a convinent way to seal up madara, see the problems of Sakura sacrificing? It doesnt grant the needed power to return naruto to life. even then, Obito isnt just going to plop down into the dirt without some final action, did people expect him to just go down? He is dead either way but wouldn't you expect him to pull off one final act that manages to be the opportunity to save naruto? The start to the successful recovery and victory?

 

This is why the pot and gourd were dropped, if its going to fulfill what the sage said: "Even when you are apart, you will always be together, one day you will all be united again as you once were, and when that time comes, you will all know what true power really is." Anyone remember this from not so long ago? If Madara currently has 8.5 tailed beasts, if he is to become perfect, then its not far out there to think that this pot and gourd contain what naruto needs to live.

 

So how would kinkakku and ginkakku be done with in this situation? For the sake of time and the situation, kishi would yes simplify it like he did with how minato was going to transfer Yin Kurama to Naruto or black zetsu. it would be either they are released for a short time but quickly apprehended and drained of their energy to give to naruto or only the chakra is released.

 

Yes I may be depending on the pot and gourd but its just chekhovs gun, if its there then it should be used, otherwise why bother? This extends to the entirety of the NS development, if its not going to come together in the end and just be used on one moment which she dies for NH to go by default, why not bother developing NH in the first place? See its a hard to believe situation no matter how you make the Sakura chiyo jutsu situation. Even more, I just cannot imagine Kishi actually doing this when stuff like the kushina foreshadow came in hinting a naruto-some girl like kushina pairing in the end, only to continue the foreshadow as recently as 631 only for sakura to die. So is the situation just instead meaning naruto found a girl like kushina who would instead rather than be a girlfriend would end up sacrificing and dying for him on his birthday like kushina?

 

That just defeats the purpose of the foreshadow, it makes no sense either way, why build it up if its not going to be used in the end in favor of a smaller plot element thats been so largely unaddressed? This is why NH is just a cheap plot device at this point, if it came true, it would be so overly conventional and underdeveloped, shouldn't this be something that actually brings her character down so much to be so convinently fit into a situation, theme, and setting just because the orignal one died? Hinata would literally be the only character I could name off the bat that only got her love because she freaking hoped for it the entire time, seriously doesn't NH have enough blood on its hands from pain and neji? This Sakura theory, it just doesn't work, it doesn't keep consistency, it makes hinata look utterly terrible. Any fans of NS and NH should actually be appaled at this, NS fans yes because we don't want our girl to die, but NH fans, do they seriously want Hinata to be reduced to this, how could anyone even stand Hinata and seriously call her a character if her overall role is fulfilled due to convinence and just hope and generalites? Not due to paced development, consistenes, and dynamics like NS? Literally if NH came because of this, its the same cheap trick Dragonball Z did with Trunks, Trunks was the son of Vegeta so some lady had to be the mother despite no development. Do people really want this? I cannot state it enough. It would be outright terrible on NS and NH if this actually happened.

[Dalton.T.R]

They wouldn't care. The anti-NS, anti-Sakura and pro Hinata fans would just be glad Sakura's out of the picture and their shipping happened. They couldn't care less about how bad it makes Hinata look.

 

Putting it simply, Sakura dying = Naruto being depressed every single second of every single day for the rest of his life. There is NOTHING Hinata could do for him at that point but make thing's worse.

[MoonDrop04]

Ah I Understand That The Chiyo Technique Won't Give Naruto The Necessary power up He Needs To Defeat Madara. That's Why I Suggest This..........While Naruto Is Temporarily Dead, Would It Be A Poosible Chance For Him To a Meet The Sage Of Six Paths In The Afterlife?? I Mean Its A Typical Shonen Style Plot For A Story Like This If You Think About It. And As For Defeating Madara..........Here's My Theory!!! Somehow Naruto Comes Back Alive With The Chakra Mode Activated........Sasuke Comes Back To Tag Team With With Him To Face Madara......Their Strategy Revolves Around What Hashirama Gave Sasuke Earlier Cause it Sounds Like It Can Immobilize Madara For A Time. Instead Of Six Paths Sage Giving Naruto A Power Up And Rinnegan, He Insteads Tell Naruto To Yell Out The Tailed Beasts Names And It Acts As a Sort Of Trigger To Release The Beasts From Madara. The Beasts Are All Behind Naruto, Including The Kyubbi, They All Charge Up A Tailed Beast Bomb and While Sasuke Is Distracting Madara They Fire The Bomb Straight At Madara!!! The Destructive Power Is So Much That It Tears Madara Apart And Turns Him Into Dust With No Chance Of Healing Himself!!!

[Dalton.T.R]

If Naruto dies, then MAYBE there could be something similar to what happened with Sam in Transformers 2 Revenge of the Fallen  When Megatron killed Sam he met the Primes in the after life and came back to fulfill his destiny. That's all I can think of...

[Inferno180]

Its more likely that Naruto ends up just getting Kurama power back  at least so he has the same scale of power as before or Yin Kurama is saved before Madara absorbs him.

 

As for Sasuke, well Yamato is most likely around there. Yamato is packing Senju DNA so we can guess what this means In the future.

 

As for both meeting the sage, it would be some limbo type deal but not the thing to bring them back, i'd rather have the plot elements like right now being what saves them. Seriously could you imagine if kishi pulled the same thing again with the pot and gourd with black zetsu? I don't think so.

[MoonDrop04]

If Naruto dies, then MAYBE there could be something similar to what happened with Sam in Transformers 2 Revenge of the Fallen  When Megatron killed Sam he met the Primes in the after life and came back to fulfill his destiny. That's all I can think of...

AH!! But Why Not Take It A Step Further And Let Him Meet Up With Jiraya, Kushina, Neji, Shikamarus and Inos Dads And Some Other Surprising People Along With The Sage Of Six Paths??? You Know Fans Have Been Requesting For A Reunion And Return For Jiraya For A Long Time Now!!!

[Dalton.T.R]

AH!! But Why Not Take It A Step Further And Let Him Meet Up With Jiraya, Kushina, Neji, Shikamarus and Inos Dads And Some Other Surprising People Along With The Sage Of Six Paths??? You Know Fans Have Been Requesting For A Reunion And Return For Jiraya For A Long Time Now!!!

True. I wouldn't mind seeing Jiraya again, but it's not what the fans want that matters.

[六道仙人]

If Naruto dies, then MAYBE there could be something similar to what happened with Sam in Transformers 2 Revenge of the Fallen  When Megatron killed Sam he met the Primes in the after life and came back to fulfill his destiny. That's all I can think of...

 

Putting it simply, a kinda sort of Gandalf in TLOTR...?

Edited by 六道仙人, 13 February 2014 - 10:02 PM.

[Inferno180]

 

Putting it simply, a kinda sort of Gandalf in TLOTR...?

 

Gandalf is already immortal, he isnt human, he is some demigod race or whatever that can die and revive many times. Suarumon was the same, but after his death he was imprisoned in the afterworld or halls of some kind.