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[Tsubaki]

Naruto wiki is pretty much done by NH fans.

They have a love-hate relationship in Part I, which is a popular way for relationships to start before they turn into something more.
It is revealed in the beginning of the series that Naruto has feelings for Sakura.
Sakura also claims that she may be in love with Naruto in Part II, but he denies it's true.
They hold a mutual admiration and respect for each other.
Naruto and sakuraSakura hugging Naruto.
Naruto and Sakura have had many tender moments involving hugging and such, showing how close they are to each other.

This is their eveidence of the couple.

Bolded: Maybe in love??? hows that work

because it's still not confirmed if her confession was true or not.

I found these wikis very unbiased.

[六道仙人]

Naruto wiki is pretty much done by NH fans.

They have a love-hate relationship in Part I, which is a popular way for relationships to start before they turn into something more.
It is revealed in the beginning of the series that Naruto has feelings for Sakura.
Sakura also claims that she may be in love with Naruto in Part II, but he denies it's true.
They hold a mutual admiration and respect for each other.
Naruto and sakuraSakura hugging Naruto.
Naruto and Sakura have had many tender moments involving hugging and such, showing how close they are to each other.

This is their eveidence of the couple.

Bolded: Maybe in love??? hows that work

the whole world is in NH's hands

[StriderC]

Well, like Baiken/Quinny said, (in 623 thread) the reason why it's possibly Slug SM is because it fits with the animal trinity theme. Also, there's something else. One of Katsuyu's abilities is to multiply and reform together as a whole, in other words, it's a form of regeneration. And the seal on Hashirama's forehead is heavily related to immortality with this in mind, wouldn't Katsuyu's ability be a form of immortality itself??



Am I the only one that thinks this way of thinking is downright sexist?? so.... basically phenix wants sakura to stay back in the kitchen leave all the work to the men?? well that's some fine writing of a heroine there.











YOU. HAVE. GOT. TO. BE. KIDDING. ME

So, you're telling me a moment where Naruto is on the verge of losing all hope in himself and his dreams is not an important enough moment to warrant Sakura having a role at all??

I sometimes think people here have a twisted idea of what a heroine is. The heroine is supposed to be the hero's biggest cheerleader and be his bedrock and a shoulder to lean on when he feels he's lost his way.






ABSOLUTELY. Hell, even Kubo, for all his trolling, at least seems to have a better idea of how he wants to get to the finish line.







^QFT.



That is definitely an interesting idea. But I'm pretty damn sure Minato already accounted for that. He knows that the one who attacked his family was "Madara". And he was the one ripped the beast out of his wife. Surely he would've figured Madara would try something like that again.

Strider, you have just become one of my best buddies here on this forum. I agree with everything you say. Looks like we really think alike, huh??

LOL It would seem so Codus. Glad you enjoyed my posts. Hopefully I don't come off as an a**hole in my posts to some people though. That's definitely not my intent here at all. I'm just straight forward.

[sushi.]

Naruto wiki is pretty much done by NH fans.

They have a love-hate relationship in Part I, which is a popular way for relationships to start before they turn into something more.
It is revealed in the beginning of the series that Naruto has feelings for Sakura.
Sakura also claims that she may be in love with Naruto in Part II, but he denies it's true.
They hold a mutual admiration and respect for each other.
Naruto and sakuraSakura hugging Naruto.
Naruto and Sakura have had many tender moments involving hugging and such, showing how close they are to each other.

This is their eveidence of the couple.

Bolded: Maybe in love??? hows that work

That wiki was much less bias than the main one. XD I raised my eyebrows when I read the post, but it turns out to be serious.

Anyhow, the love-hate only comes from Sakura. Naruto is all love-love. They should've mentioned that, other than that it was alright.

Edited by sushi., 31 March 2013 - 06:54 PM.

[Akashi]

because it's still not confirmed if her confession was true or not.

I found these wikis very unbiased.

Didn't Kishimoto say that he was suprised by how people didn't believe Sakura's confession was real?
"I was trying to portray honest and stubborn woman".

[Baguette]

I think the important question is, does Naruto think she contributes enough to him and his quest? In my opinion, the answer is a resounding YES.

Naruto counts on Sakura to be where he needs her to be. In the Pain invasion she screamed for him, which was a direct reflection in her belief in him as the hero and her support for him. Once he was there she settled into doing her job -- doing what he would expect from her. He had asked people not to interfere with his work and she accepted his orders. Instead, she focused on doing her job. This is the role of a heroine -- to follow her OWN path in the pursuit of moral excellence and show solidarity with the goals of the hero.

Hinata did not do this during the Pain invasion, and in fact did the exact opposite. She not only interfered against Naruto's wishes, but she displayed a distinct lack of belief in his ability to handle the situation. Likewise, she did nothing for the village. Instead of doing her job, and pursuing the goals Naruto would have wished, she is selfish.

Lack of belief in his ability to handle the situation? Naruto was unable to handle the situation; he had been defeated, and Hinata could see that. If she had "followed the hero's wishes," where would Naruto be right now? Would he not have been captured by Pain? Hinata followed her own path in the pursuit of what she felt was the morally right thing to do- to jump in and interfere.

Sakura has continued along this track. During the current war arc, she is doing her job. Naruto counts on her to do her job, and to be where he expects and needs her to be. Naruto's order for Sakura to heal Kakashi first, and her quick understanding of his order and his reasoning, proves that she is in tune with him. Naruto already knows Sakura is brave, kick-ass, dependable, and that she believes in him. You can't get more useful or supportive for the hero than that.

Along the same lines, does Hinata not believe in Naruto just as well? When others doubt his identity, Hinata has the intuition to know that it truly is him:

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If you also look at the bottom panel, Naruto himself also believes that Hinata saved him, and reassures her of her abilities. Does Naruto think that Hinata contributes enough to him and his quest? In my opinion, the answer is also a resounding yes.

The fact that Hinata's first moment of heroism happened to interact with Naruto in a personally supportive way is not a big deal. Sakura has done it for him in the past. So has Iruka. Jiraiya. Minato. Kushina. Shikamaru. Gaara. It was Hinata's turn, that's all.

Could you provide an instance where Sakura has personally aided Naruto to the same degree that Hinata has in Ch.615?

Edited by Baguette, 31 March 2013 - 06:57 PM.

[sushi.]

@Baguette, just wondering, did you jump ship? XD

[StriderC]

that's such a difficult topic to discuss that I have failed at making a response that i think is acceptable multiple times now.


Sakura is a heroin.
The expectations of a heroine change from person to person.
Generally speaking a heroine supports the hero and acts as a love interest.

That said, it takes a skilled author to create a unique and likeable personality for a heroine and an even more skilled author to make the heroine kind of like a second hero.

Sasuke and Naruto right now have the most development out of any other characters in the series. Sakura is not on their level of development and attention. What many Sakura fans want is for her to be on their level.


to be honest im still not satisfied with this post but i did my best...

To be honest, I don't necessarily need her to be on their level per say. I just want her to have more development. Personal development as well as development with the hero of the series. She's had that throughout but it's like her character has been reduced to romantic fodder. I LOVED the Sakura that fought beside Chiyo. She displayed strength on many levels. Naruto played a part in that battle being a motivator as well as her teacher, and her desire to save Sasuke. All of that was a prominent part of the battle, and it led to their victory. Where did that Sakura go? Where did the Sakura that made the vow to not stand in the background anymore go? I love Sakura to bits, but Kishi was been so wishy washy with her character. She's all over the place, and it doesn't look like she has a set path sometimes.

Sakura had sooooooo much potential in part 1. She could of been the one that's always there for Naruto AS WELL as having her own identity. Kishi failed at this somewhat. It's hard to explain thoroughly but I think some people understand what I mean...

[Baguette]

@Baguette, just wondering, did you jump ship? XD

What makes you think that?

[sushi.]

What makes you think that?

Your sig. Or maybe you were NH from the beginning, I dunno.

[Shadow1275]

A moment of infatuation?


I would agree but Neji said he did that to protect Naruto.
So he didnt jumped to save both but he jumped to save Naruto, he sacrificed himself for Naruto, the whole situation was Neji - Naruto, then Hinata stepped in and give that speech that come from nowhere, along with the whole moment that Naruto was doubting himself also with no reason.
What Hinata did is comparable to an DEUS EX MACHINA.
Because Hinata didnt had development that is needed to give that speech.

Exactly, Hinata has a chance to be developed in a way that doesn't involve her crush on Naruto and it is ignored. Sakura on the other hand is not all about Sasuke or Naruto. For example, her relationship with Chiyo was simply a Sakura moment, or even when she healed that child. This is just the difference between main and supporting characters.

[Tsubaki]

Didn't Kishimoto say that he was suprised by how people didn't believe Sakura's confession was real?
"I was trying to portray honest and stubborn woman".

Yeah! He said that! But it was more like a hint (a big one) of Sakura's true feelings than actually a confirmation. But in the manga, Sakura still don't come to a conclusion with her feelings.

[Baguette]

Your sig. Or maybe you were NH from the beginning, I dunno.

My sig....OH I see now. Yes, I think I must have switched sides.

[Tsubaki]

What makes you think that?

omg now that I noticed your sig!!! noo don't go to the other side!! stay with us!!

Edited by Tsubaki, 31 March 2013 - 07:07 PM.

[Shadow1275]

What makes you think that?

Haha, yeah Bag, I miss that crazy mofo who was in your sig before.

[StriderC]

Well then, instead of constantly putting other fandoms down or degrading characters to make everyone feel better, we should stick to real possibilities and the manga and people shouldn't be so afraid to discuss it.

What topics are you talking about you ask? Well, some have already been brought up before being shot down, but here are a few

- Sakura's death vs Sakura's not death
- If Kishi decided to go with NH, how would that really fit into the grand scheme of things and how much would he have to downplay NS
- What would Kishi have to do to make SS make sense (in my opinion, nothing could, but we should still discuss it)
- What would need to happen for NS not to happen

Of course, people might see these topics as 'negative', but I still find it differently. I lurked this website for a really long time and at some point in time, I eventually joined, but I didn't participate. But I swear a long time ago, a member stated it's best to discuss and debate everything because once all the routes are laid out in front of you in detail, it only makes you trust your initial decision that much more.

People that deny all other possibilities right away aren't confident, they are in denial, even if their pairing happens to be on top at that point in time. If you are confident, why would you be afraid to discuss some other topics that aren't in NS's favor and call it 'bad' and 'negative'? I feel like members used to discuss much more broader topics back then and no one was screaming 'non-believer', 'doubter', or 'ship jumper'.

If people don't discuss how some events effect them and they say, "Oh, well NS is still going to happen anyway", they look for other ways to regain confidence. One of those ways is bashing and putting other fandoms down. Why do you think many NH fans bashed NS so much? Some NS fans are now the new NH fans. Never considering other points of views, never wanting to talk to, accept, or debate against other points of views, and even if the other side might have a point, they will deny it anyway.

I've already stated my solution, let people analyze the manga as it is. Don't get upset if it seems like it isn't in NS's favor. If you don't analyze critically and you just let it sit there, it will fester and bother you until the end of time.

kittening love this post! That's pretty much how I feel about it. I guess there should be a separate debate thread for those who REALLLYYY want to delve into crazy interesting topics. I actually think you should start such a thread Kira. I'd definitely participate and the bolded should be the opener for such a thread. ^^ I know Slex, Quinny, RomanceGirl, Grace and most likely Codus would be game for such a thread

[TouKen4Life3g]

Well, I see many great posts, including the return of KnS, which btw great posts.

So, be honest, anyone feel foolish for acting the way you did when the "interview" showed up?

[StrikerTheNoble]

omg now that I noticed your sig!!! noo don't go to the other side!! stay with us!!

Yea man. Please tell me this is just an april fools joke. Well if it`s not.

Join the NS side. We have cookies.

[Akashi]

Yeah! He said that! But it was more like a hint (a big one) of Sakura's true feelings than actually a confirmation. But in the manga, Sakura still don't come to a conclusion with her feelings.

I believe she loves them both.. but she's yet to realize that Naruto is her true love, while Sasuke is just an arbitrary childish crush.

[Baguette]

Yea man. Please tell me this is just an april fools joke. Well if it`s not.

Join the NS side. We have cookies.

Pairing focus + story direction > cookies, unfortunately.