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[Codus N]

Which reminds me, hey mods. Think you'll let off Edward Uzumaki this year?? pretty please?? I'm always amused at his annual April Fool's jokes.

[Inferno180]

So this whole "interview" was a fake?

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

So this whole "interview" was a fake?

Yes.

[六道仙人]

yes, it's april fool joke

[Inferno180]

K, love the comic with the big 3 authors though, trolling is just a nasty habit, love how Oda and kubo took action against each other.

One thing which was wrong was the minato having the nine tails chakra though, chakra can regenerate in someone hence why the ten tails is able to grow with the eight tails being minimal, not to mention the nine tails cannot get more powerful than the ten tails, that defeats the purpose of other things like the shinobi enhanced army.

Also sasukes fight cannot be the last, it just does not have much sense for it to occur after the crisis for the world is adverted.

Just cruel Internet games.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

K, love the comic with the big 3 authors though, trolling is just a nasty habit, love how Oda and kubo took action against each other.

One thing which was wrong was the minato having the nine tails chakra though, chakra can regenerate in someone hence why the ten tails is able to grow with the eight tails being minimal, not to mention the nine tails cannot get more powerful than the ten tails, that defeats the purpose of other things like the shinobi enhanced army.

Also sasukes fight cannot be the last, it just does not have much sense for it to occur after the crisis for the world is adverted.

Just cruel Internet games.

Sasuke fight decides the whole premise of the manga, and also kishimoto stated many times that their fight would be the last.
Sasuke got an importance that even if Naruto wins the current battle his victory is meaningless just because Sasuke is evil.
Sasuke's redemption end the circle of hatred.

[Tsubaki]

Here another cute Tegaki fanart to everyone be happy!

http://tegaki.pipa.j...0/23448274.html

our pairing is really cute!!

[StrikerTheNoble]

Here another cute Tegaki fanart to everyone be happy!

http://tegaki.pipa.j...0/23448274.html

our pairing is really cute!!

translation please

[Otaru]

This looks cute.
Too bad i don't understand ^^'

[Tsubaki]

Me neither ... but it's soooo cute!!!

[六道仙人]

translation please

Now I haven't a lot of free time to make a brief summary... Maybe tomorrow I will do.... Sorry

[FrenchMyToast]

I'm pretty glad I logged in pretty late today. That interview would have ruined my day.

That was a sick April Fools Day joke, though. Hilarious, but sick.

[KnS]

I think we have a little misunderstanding. On the second bolded, my response was meant to address the notion that all Sakura is good for is to act as a pairing fodder. That's what I perceived as being a sexist opinion.

Well, Phenix doesn't need me to speak for him, but I think you misunderstand what he's saying. My interpretation of his attitude is basically the same as mine. IF Sakura does not end up with any more power-ups or a big battles along the lines of the one with Sasori, that doesn't mean she isn't the heroine. More about this in the next part of the reply.

The heroine is usually the one who stands beside the hero in whatever adversity he faces. This, at the very least is an unwritten trope regarding the heroine's position. I ask you this, has Sakura contributed enough to the hero or the story?? healing is one thing. But if that's true, then what about 617??

I think the important question is, does Naruto think she contributes enough to him and his quest? In my opinion, the answer is a resounding YES.

Naruto counts on Sakura to be where he needs her to be. In the Pain invasion she screamed for him, which was a direct reflection in her belief in him as the hero and her support for him. Once he was there she settled into doing her job -- doing what he would expect from her. He had asked people not to interfere with his work and she accepted his orders. Instead, she focused on doing her job. This is the role of a heroine -- to follow her OWN path in the pursuit of moral excellence and show solidarity with the goals of the hero.

Hinata did not do this during the Pain invasion, and in fact did the exact opposite. She not only interfered against Naruto's wishes, but she displayed a distinct lack of belief in his ability to handle the situation. Likewise, she did nothing for the village. Instead of doing her job, and pursuing the goals Naruto would have wished, she is selfish.

Sakura has continued along this track. During the current war arc, she is doing her job. Naruto counts on her to do her job, and to be where he expects and needs her to be. Naruto's order for Sakura to heal Kakashi first, and her quick understanding of his order and his reasoning, proves that she is in tune with him. Naruto already knows Sakura is brave, kick-ass, dependable, and that she believes in him. You can't get more useful or supportive for the hero than that.

The fact that Hinata's first moment of heroism happened to interact with Naruto in a personally supportive way is not a big deal. Sakura has done it for him in the past. So has Iruka. Jiraiya. Minato. Kushina. Shikamaru. Gaara. It was Hinata's turn, that's all.

As for the fact that Hinata knocked Naruto's shoulder back in place, I've commented on that before. Obvious panel was obvious. I believe Kishimoto showed us that specifically to draw everyone's attention to the fact that Sakura WAS NOT THERE TO DO IT. We haven't found out why yet, but I believe there is a reason.

I certainly do not think it was to show that in the space of a few chapters, Hinata has displaced Sakura as Naruto's love, teammate, and trusted comrade.

This why I say 615 was a good enough heroine moment for Sakura.

We'll have to agree to disagree. Sure, it might have been nice, but it wasn't critical. It was more important, I think, to give Hinata her development and then let her retake her place on the sidelines. We'll see if that ends up being the case.

[Shadow1275]

Well, Phenix doesn't need me to speak for him, but I think you misunderstand what he's saying. My interpretation of his attitude is basically the same as mine. IF Sakura does not end up with any more power-ups or a big battles along the lines of the one with Sasori, that doesn't mean she isn't the heroine. More about this in the next part of the reply.



I think the important question is, does Naruto think she contributes enough to him and his quest? In my opinion, the answer is a resounding YES.

Naruto counts on Sakura to be where he needs her to be. In the Pain invasion she screamed for him, which was a direct reflection in her belief in him as the hero and her support for him. Once he was there she settled into doing her job -- doing what he would expect from her. He had asked people not to interfere with his work and she accepted his orders. Instead, she focused on doing her job. This is the role of a heroine -- to follow her OWN path in the pursuit of moral excellence and show solidarity with the goals of the hero.


Hinata did not do this during the Pain invasion, and in fact did the exact opposite. She not only interfered against Naruto's wishes, but she displayed a distinct lack of belief in his ability to handle the situation. Likewise, she did nothing for the village. Instead of doing her job, and pursuing the goals Naruto would have wished, she is selfish.

Sakura has continued along this track. During the current war arc, she is doing her job. Naruto counts on her to do her job, and to be where he expects and needs her to be. Naruto's order for Sakura to heal Kakashi first, and her quick understanding of his order and his reasoning, proves that she is in tune with him. Naruto already knows Sakura is brave, kick-ass, dependable, and that she believes in him. You can't get more useful or supportive for the hero than that.

The fact that Hinata's first moment of heroism happened to interact with Naruto in a personally supportive way is not a big deal. Sakura has done it for him in the past. So has Iruka. Jiraiya. Minato. Kushina. Shikamaru. Gaara. It was Hinata's turn, that's all.

As for the fact that Hinata knocked Naruto's shoulder back in place, I've commented on that before. Obvious panel was obvious. I believe Kishimoto showed us that specifically to draw everyone's attention to the fact that Sakura WAS NOT THERE TO DO IT. We haven't found out why yet, but I believe there is a reason.

I certainly do not think it was to show that in the space of a few chapters, Hinata has displaced Sakura as Naruto's love, teammate, and trusted comrade.



We'll have to agree to disagree. Sure, it might have been nice, but it wasn't critical. It was more important, I think, to give Hinata her development and then let her retake her place on the sidelines. We'll see if that ends up being the case.

Agreed. 615 was big for Hinata because it was a HINATA moment, not a NaruHina moment. It was more about the conclusion of her relationship development with Neji than Naruto deciding that he cares for her more than just being comrades. Hinata's first big chapter was about how Neji hated her because she was part of the main branch. In 615 we saw this conclude when he sacrificed his life for her and she gave a speech on him. It wouldn't hav been appropriate for Sakura to give Naruto a speech after Neji died because she was not close to Neji.

Edited by Shadow1275, 31 March 2013 - 06:21 PM.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

Agreed. 615 was big for Hinata because it was a HINATA moment, not a NaruHina moment. It was more about the conclusion of her relationship development with Neji than Naruto deciding that he cares for her more than just being comrades. Hinata's first big chapter was about how Neji hated her because she was part of the main branch. In 615 we saw this conclude when he sacrificed his life for her and she gave a speech on him. It wouldn't hav been appropriate for Sakura to give Naruto a speech after Neji died because she was not close to Neji.

Are you sure?
She had 0 thoughts about Neji and Kishimoto didnt even used that moment to show at least an interaction about them in the past to justify her speech, it was a NaruHina moment not romantically and also the scene was bad played and Hinata again had wasted potential because seemed that all the development she got on the arc was based on a single speech from Naruto.

[HauntedCake]

Are you sure?
She had 0 thoughts about Neji and Kishimoto didnt even used that moment to show at least an interaction about them in the past to justify her speech, it was a NaruHina moment not romantically and also the scene was bad played and Hinata again had wasted potential because seemed that all the development she got on the arc was based on a single speech from Naruto.

I was romantic in Hinata's pov but not to Naruto, until proven otherwise by Naruto.

Edited by HauntedCake, 31 March 2013 - 06:33 PM.

[StrikerTheNoble]

Hey guys look what I found. There really is a wiki for everything:

NaruHina
NaruSaku

[Shadow1275]

Are you sure?
She had 0 thoughts about Neji and Kishimoto didnt even used that moment to show at least an interaction about them in the past to justify her speech, it was a NaruHina moment not romantically and also the scene was bad played and Hinata again had wasted potential because seemed that all the development she got on the arc was based on a single speech from Naruto.

My bad I should have been more specific. What I meant by the end of the development of her relationship with Neji was that in the beginning he wanted to kill her but in 615 he decided to save her. Hinata is not a bad character, she is just not developed well. She has a lot of interesting plot points like her relationship with Neji and her relationship with her father. However, her father Hizashi is more focused on Neji than Hinata and we don't see much interaction between Hinata and Neji between their fight and 615. Because these are not explored her main plot point of course is her need to be acknowledged by Naruto. Naruto has now acknowledged her, but not as a romantic interest, as a comrade. The other thing I want to point out is why is it that every intimate moment where Hinata confesses or holds hands with Naruto in part 2 does Sakura get a whole panel to react?

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

I was romantic in Hinata's pov but not to Naruto, until proven otherwise by Naruto.

A moment of infatuation?

My bad I should have been more specific. What I meant by the end of the development of her relationship with Neji was that in the beginning he wanted to kill her but in 615 he decided to save her. Hinata is not a bad character, she is just not developed well. She has a lot of interesting plot points like her relationship with Neji and her relationship with her father. However, her father Hizashi is more focused on Neji than Hinata and we don't see much interaction between Hinata and Neji between their fight and 615. Because these are not explored her main plot point of course is her need to be acknowledged by Naruto. Naruto has now acknowledged her, but not as a romantic interest, as a comrade. The other thing I want to point out is why is it that every intimate moment where Hinata confesses or holds hands with Naruto in part 2 does Sakura get a whole panel to react?

I would agree but Neji said he did that to protect Naruto.
So he didnt jumped to save both but he jumped to save Naruto, he sacrificed himself for Naruto, the whole situation was Neji - Naruto, then Hinata stepped in and give that speech that come from nowhere, along with the whole moment that Naruto was doubting himself also with no reason.
What Hinata did is comparable to an DEUS EX MACHINA.
Because Hinata didnt had development that is needed to give that speech.

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 31 March 2013 - 06:38 PM.

[HauntedCake]

Hey guys look what I found. There really is a wiki for everything:

NaruHina
NaruSaku

Naruto wiki is pretty much done by NH fans.

They have a love-hate relationship in Part I, which is a popular way for relationships to start before they turn into something more.
It is revealed in the beginning of the series that Naruto has feelings for Sakura.
Sakura also claims that she may be in love with Naruto in Part II, but he denies it's true.
They hold a mutual admiration and respect for each other.
Naruto and sakuraSakura hugging Naruto.
Naruto and Sakura have had many tender moments involving hugging and such, showing how close they are to each other.

This is their eveidence of the couple.

Bolded: Maybe in love??? hows that work